[Anthras]

Omtose, on 23 July 2014 - 01:04 PM, said:

Galain, on 23 July 2014 - 01:04 PM, said:

Omtose, on 23 July 2014 - 12:55 PM, said:

Tellan, on 23 July 2014 - 12:49 PM, said:

Galain, on 23 July 2014 - 12:46 PM, said:

vote tellan
I believe you are a second, and if you are my team's second, you are too stupid to keep.

Well thats interesting I suppose

Yeah, this combined with his resistance to even discussing hypothetical mechanics is intruiging, but I don't yet know why he would act this way?


Galain can you expand a bit on why you think he is a second and why you think that means he should die no matter what?

His speculation on the seconds role is too detailed as I commented in an earlier post. Playing the odds, it is unlikely that he is my second.

Wait, WHAT.

Heh, sounds like a slip to me.

[Tellan]

Do you have myself and Omtose confused? Because I dont know what specific speculation you are talking about Galain

[Galain]

Anthras, on 23 July 2014 - 01:06 PM, said:

Omtose, on 23 July 2014 - 01:04 PM, said:

Galain, on 23 July 2014 - 01:04 PM, said:

Omtose, on 23 July 2014 - 12:55 PM, said:

Tellan, on 23 July 2014 - 12:49 PM, said:

Galain, on 23 July 2014 - 12:46 PM, said:

vote tellan
I believe you are a second, and if you are my team's second, you are too stupid to keep.

Well thats interesting I suppose

Yeah, this combined with his resistance to even discussing hypothetical mechanics is intruiging, but I don't yet know why he would act this way?


Galain can you expand a bit on why you think he is a second and why you think that means he should die no matter what?

His speculation on the seconds role is too detailed as I commented in an earlier post. Playing the odds, it is unlikely that he is my second.

Wait, WHAT.

Heh, sounds like a slip to me.

Oh please. We know there are leaders and seconds on each team. My team must have each of these roles.

[Omtose]

Anthras, on 23 July 2014 - 01:06 PM, said:

Omtose, on 23 July 2014 - 01:04 PM, said:

Galain, on 23 July 2014 - 01:04 PM, said:

Omtose, on 23 July 2014 - 12:55 PM, said:

Tellan, on 23 July 2014 - 12:49 PM, said:

Galain, on 23 July 2014 - 12:46 PM, said:

vote tellan
I believe you are a second, and if you are my team's second, you are too stupid to keep.

Well thats interesting I suppose

Yeah, this combined with his resistance to even discussing hypothetical mechanics is intruiging, but I don't yet know why he would act this way?


Galain can you expand a bit on why you think he is a second and why you think that means he should die no matter what?

His speculation on the seconds role is too detailed as I commented in an earlier post. Playing the odds, it is unlikely that he is my second.

Wait, WHAT.

Heh, sounds like a slip to me.

It seems almost too stupid to be serious. He voted tellan for speculating too much when it was actually me, and he seems totally dismissive of that little nugget, then he just blurts out with no warning he is a leader? Is there in mafia a ... suicider, type thing? Someone who wants to die?

[Anthras]

Jalan, on 23 July 2014 - 12:59 PM, said:

Whilst reading up I noticed something strange. Maybe Anthras can shed some light on it?

Anthras, on 22 July 2014 - 07:50 PM, said:

I just want to throw this out there: we have 5 players out of 14 with 2 or fewer posts. I understand the thread was dead for the first 24 hours or so, but still, that's a bit ridiculous

This on its own is fine but..

Venesara, on 22 July 2014 - 08:19 PM, said:

PathShaper has my reasons for my delay, and I assure you they are valid. Simply put, some of us can't always be as present on thread as one would like. This is a faction game, though. During a normal scum and town game, everyone's input is needed in order to attempt to figure out scum from town. This faction game is quite different from a perspective of how much players participate. Faction games lend me to believe that patience is more important than in normal games.

Town can't band together and accuse someone of scum. Here, we have to take into account that we are likely going after someone of our own faction. If someone finds a reason to claim an individual as a specific faction, then we're left with a scenario where those who don't vote must be revealing as being on the same team, while those who continue to push a vote reveal as not on that faction.

Quite a different dance than some of our new players are used to. I for one, can't say I've missed much up until now. Everyone held their thoughts close before the 24 hour deadline, which speaks volumes.

All I see us left with right now, is a lynch in process on Kedeviss, which is standard for today. It could have been anyone today.

vote Kedeviss

I went back and read through the OP and then searched for other references but only these two players mentioned this. What did they mean about the first 24 hours? How was that significant? Anthras care to share?

Sure. I don't know what deadline Venesara was talking about, but I was saying in that post that there were 5 people with 2 or fewer posts, which was terrible for activity, but I said that I could kind of understand it because there wasn't much to comment on for the first 24 hours, people just weren't talking much in general.

[Galain]

Omtose, on 23 July 2014 - 01:13 PM, said:

Anthras, on 23 July 2014 - 01:06 PM, said:

Omtose, on 23 July 2014 - 01:04 PM, said:

Galain, on 23 July 2014 - 01:04 PM, said:

Omtose, on 23 July 2014 - 12:55 PM, said:

Tellan, on 23 July 2014 - 12:49 PM, said:

Galain, on 23 July 2014 - 12:46 PM, said:

vote tellan
I believe you are a second, and if you are my team's second, you are too stupid to keep.

Well thats interesting I suppose

Yeah, this combined with his resistance to even discussing hypothetical mechanics is intruiging, but I don't yet know why he would act this way?


Galain can you expand a bit on why you think he is a second and why you think that means he should die no matter what?

His speculation on the seconds role is too detailed as I commented in an earlier post. Playing the odds, it is unlikely that he is my second.

Wait, WHAT.

Heh, sounds like a slip to me.

It seems almost too stupid to be serious. He voted tellan for speculating too much when it was actually me, and he seems totally dismissive of that little nugget, then he just blurts out with no warning he is a leader? Is there in mafia a ... suicider, type thing? Someone who wants to die?

It seems that you defend Tellan too much...

I assure you that I am just a peon. One of my vcs is to become second in command and die honorably.

[Tellan]

Galain, on 23 July 2014 - 01:16 PM, said:

It seems that you defend Tellan too much...

I assure you that I am just a peon. One of my vcs is to become second in command and die honorably.

And yet you cant be bothered to keep who is saying what straight on thread. There is no defence needed, you said something completely idiotic.

[Omtose]

Galain, on 23 July 2014 - 01:16 PM, said:

It seems that you defend Tellan too much...

I assure you that I am just a peon. One of my vcs is to become second in command and die honorably.

Psssst. You voted Tellan because of my speculation.

In case that hasn't been made clear enough already

[Tellan]

Hmmm....would being lynched count as dying honorably?

[Galain]

Omtose, on 23 July 2014 - 01:20 PM, said:

Galain, on 23 July 2014 - 01:16 PM, said:

It seems that you defend Tellan too much...

I assure you that I am just a peon. One of my vcs is to become second in command and die honorably.

Psssst. You voted Tellan because of my speculation.

In case that hasn't been made clear enough already

Well ffs. Playing on a cell phone does have some disadvantages while reading.

unvote
Vote Omtose

Thanks for clearing that up dearling.

[Omtose]

Galain, on 23 July 2014 - 01:27 PM, said:

Omtose, on 23 July 2014 - 01:20 PM, said:

Galain, on 23 July 2014 - 01:16 PM, said:

It seems that you defend Tellan too much...

I assure you that I am just a peon. One of my vcs is to become second in command and die honorably.

Psssst. You voted Tellan because of my speculation.

In case that hasn't been made clear enough already

Well ffs. Playing on a cell phone does have some disadvantages while reading.

unvote
Vote Omtose

Thanks for clearing that up dearling.

Sorry but this was completely hilarious.

Ahem

Soo defending myself here I guess? Do I even need to bother at this point? I will anyway

I was speculating about the mechanics of the ONLY UNUSUAL THING we have seen. I am very much of the opinion that speculation should not carry a death sentence.

But you got REALLY flustered and annoyed with it, so I don't know what reason you had for it, but I am now very interested in finding out.

Edit: Corrected spelling of unusual

This post has been edited by Omtose: 23 July 2014 - 01:35 PM

[Tellan]

Well that was interesting

[Galain]

Omtose, on 23 July 2014 - 01:34 PM, said:

Galain, on 23 July 2014 - 01:27 PM, said:

Omtose, on 23 July 2014 - 01:20 PM, said:

Galain, on 23 July 2014 - 01:16 PM, said:

It seems that you defend Tellan too much...

I assure you that I am just a peon. One of my vcs is to become second in command and die honorably.

Psssst. You voted Tellan because of my speculation.

In case that hasn't been made clear enough already

Well ffs. Playing on a cell phone does have some disadvantages while reading.

unvote
Vote Omtose

Thanks for clearing that up dearling.

Sorry but this was completely hilarious.

Ahem

Soo defending myself here I guess? Do I even need to bother at this point? I will anyway

I was speculating about the mechanics of the ONLY UNUSUAL THING we have seen. I am very much of the opinion that speculation should not carry a death sentence.

But you got REALLY flustered and annoyed with it, so I don't know what reason you had for it, but I am now very interested in finding out.

Edit: Corrected spelling of unusual

The problem with speculation is that people often post thoughts on abilities that they themselves posses. With this being a faction game, it will help my team out the most by eliminating the more powerful players on the other teams. So if I am betting odds, you are most likely a powerful player on another team. At this stage of the game, I'm more likely to play the odds then review the interactions between you and other players based on the results of your lynch.

With Ked turning out to be an assassin rather than a faction member, I think we will find more to go on by lynching what I suspect to be a more powerful faction role.

[Omtose]

Tellan, on 23 July 2014 - 01:54 PM, said:

Well that was interesting

I'd agree but since I have already defended you so much today that people might start getting suspect.

[Omtose]

Galain, on 23 July 2014 - 02:13 PM, said:

Omtose, on 23 July 2014 - 01:34 PM, said:

Galain, on 23 July 2014 - 01:27 PM, said:

Omtose, on 23 July 2014 - 01:20 PM, said:

Galain, on 23 July 2014 - 01:16 PM, said:

It seems that you defend Tellan too much...

I assure you that I am just a peon. One of my vcs is to become second in command and die honorably.

Psssst. You voted Tellan because of my speculation.

In case that hasn't been made clear enough already

Well ffs. Playing on a cell phone does have some disadvantages while reading.

unvote
Vote Omtose

Thanks for clearing that up dearling.

Sorry but this was completely hilarious.

Ahem

Soo defending myself here I guess? Do I even need to bother at this point? I will anyway

I was speculating about the mechanics of the ONLY UNUSUAL THING we have seen. I am very much of the opinion that speculation should not carry a death sentence.

But you got REALLY flustered and annoyed with it, so I don't know what reason you had for it, but I am now very interested in finding out.

Edit: Corrected spelling of unusual

The problem with speculation is that people often post thoughts on abilities that they themselves posses. With this being a faction game, it will help my team out the most by eliminating the more powerful players on the other teams. So if I am betting odds, you are most likely a powerful player on another team. At this stage of the game, I'm more likely to play the odds then review the interactions between you and other players based on the results of your lynch.

With Ked turning out to be an assassin rather than a faction member, I think we will find more to go on by lynching what I suspect to be a more powerful faction role.

Sorry but what exactly did you expect me to do for SIX HOURS this morning? Between 9:50pm and 4:05am there were:

Two posts by people who siad they were going to bed
1 joke post
1 post that said something new (it was short)
2 posts that were reactions to my posts

That's SIX HOURS I was available to post when no one was around, and during one of the re-reads the NK caught my eye. Of course I got esoteric

I don't understand your reasoning here, why would I even need to speculate on any ability I already possess? If I did already possess it would I really need to suggest a bunch of possible options for what may have happened? That makes literally no sense to me.

[Trake]

Omtose said:

1406115111[/url]' post='1136824']

Path-Shaper said:

1406065469[/url]' post='1136721']
Yoshikata Rokkaku walked along the wall of the castle that overlooked the river-cut ravine far below. Following behind at a respectful distance was his sandal-bearer, a young boy of 8, and his trusted Captain Azai Hisamisa. As he turned to make a comment on the night he was surprised to find Azai was standing mere inches away, and the boy was no where to be seen. His eyes widened and he began to scream, as with a gentle push, Azai sent him off the wall.

Ryeid Elas, Yoshitaka Rokkaku, is dead. He was D'rek and leader of the Rokkaku clan.

The outpost was dimly lit by torches, and as suspected the guards were all varying stages of drunk. Mibutomo Masaharu led his small group of hand-picked men over the wall and past the sharpened stakes. With a battle cry they rushed the center of the courtyard. Taken completely by surprise the defenders were soon overwhelmed. Surrounded, the captain of the fort surrendered and requested (as was only proper in this case), to commit seppuku.


Venesara, Masanaga Teruo, is dead. He was Brujah, and 2nd in command of the Ashikaga.

Path-Shaper said:

1405824907[/url]' post='1136138']
Political instability and warfare have been the defining themes of more than a generation. Men in stations both high and low had risen to new heights, only to be torn down and trampled. Some rose again, some did not. Backing the wrong allies could ruin any lord, no matter how powerful. Famous families had fallen with new upstarts arising to take their place, only to find themselves also falling to the next ambitious player. This long season of turmoil was beginning to take its toll on a nation, now wishing to find a unifying force. Of course, each side believed that IT would be the one.

The general stalked down the hall of the keep towards the room where his men awaited. The young page slid the doors back and he entered the hall, stumping through the sudden silence that descended on the room as he reached the dais. He turned and sat smoothly on the raised platform and surveyed his counselors. Before speaking a word, he eyed each man in turn. Some he knew he could trust. Others he knew he had to trust in order to advance past rival clans. Whether or not they could actually be trusted was besides the point. He himself had risen to his position when opportunity to tear down a rival had occurred. He expected that others would do the same to him, so he would remain vigilant.

After locking eyes with each of his men, he began, "Summer has come. The cicadas cry out in the trees, and the only way to silence them is with the cries of our enemies. We have waited through the long winter, and now it is time to seize what is ours by right. Reports from our border posts have come that indicate forces massing for an attack. We shall meet them, and we shall prevail. Take up your spears and bows, and ride. We leave immediately."

It is Day 1. Time has not yet started.

14 players are alive:
Anthras, Desra, Fener, Galain, Jalan, Kalse, Kedeviss, Omtose, Ryadd Eleis, Silchas Ruin, Tellan, Trake, Ultama, Venesara

8 votes to lynch, 8 to go to night.

Does anyone else think we should take a closer look at this first scene?

The leader was explicitly killed by his second in command. Given the setup and starting description I don't think this is just "flavour" that was applied to a generic NK. I think it was a scene setup specifically for this scenario. I think what happened to D'rek was kind of like a 1 time vig-slash-overthrow

In my opinion this is incredibly useful information because it tells us that

( A ) second in commands can kill their own leaders under certain circumstances (only some of them if the setup from PS is to be belived)
and
( B ) there was only one "regular" NK last night, so we aren't looking at a 3 day game, or facing multiple NKs per day.

Any thoughts?

What a wonderfully specific analysis. This whole post feels to me like you have extra information to go on.

[Trake]

Fener said:

1406112216[/url]' post='1136818']
Ultama and Trake have amazingly large 3 posts a piece.




So I'm going to

Vote The Tiger of Summer, The Lord of War, The Great Whiskered One

And then go to bed as well. Hopefully people get a bit more chatty today.

What an incredibly brave vote. Really stuck your neck out for this one.

[Omtose]

Trake, on 23 July 2014 - 02:46 PM, said:

Omtose, on 23 July 2014 - 11:31 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 22 July 2014 - 09:44 PM, said:

Yoshikata Rokkaku walked along the wall of the castle that overlooked the river-cut ravine far below. Following behind at a respectful distance was his sandal-bearer, a young boy of 8, and his trusted Captain Azai Hisamisa. As he turned to make a comment on the night he was surprised to find Azai was standing mere inches away, and the boy was no where to be seen. His eyes widened and he began to scream, as with a gentle push, Azai sent him off the wall.

Ryeid Elas, Yoshitaka Rokkaku, is dead. He was D'rek and leader of the Rokkaku clan.

The outpost was dimly lit by torches, and as suspected the guards were all varying stages of drunk. Mibutomo Masaharu led his small group of hand-picked men over the wall and past the sharpened stakes. With a battle cry they rushed the center of the courtyard. Taken completely by surprise the defenders were soon overwhelmed. Surrounded, the captain of the fort surrendered and requested (as was only proper in this case), to commit seppuku.


Venesara, Masanaga Teruo, is dead. He was Brujah, and 2nd in command of the Ashikaga.

Path-Shaper, on 20 July 2014 - 02:55 AM, said:

Political instability and warfare have been the defining themes of more than a generation. Men in stations both high and low had risen to new heights, only to be torn down and trampled. Some rose again, some did not. Backing the wrong allies could ruin any lord, no matter how powerful. Famous families had fallen with new upstarts arising to take their place, only to find themselves also falling to the next ambitious player. This long season of turmoil was beginning to take its toll on a nation, now wishing to find a unifying force. Of course, each side believed that IT would be the one.

The general stalked down the hall of the keep towards the room where his men awaited. The young page slid the doors back and he entered the hall, stumping through the sudden silence that descended on the room as he reached the dais. He turned and sat smoothly on the raised platform and surveyed his counselors. Before speaking a word, he eyed each man in turn. Some he knew he could trust. Others he knew he had to trust in order to advance past rival clans. Whether or not they could actually be trusted was besides the point. He himself had risen to his position when opportunity to tear down a rival had occurred. He expected that others would do the same to him, so he would remain vigilant.

After locking eyes with each of his men, he began, "Summer has come. The cicadas cry out in the trees, and the only way to silence them is with the cries of our enemies. We have waited through the long winter, and now it is time to seize what is ours by right. Reports from our border posts have come that indicate forces massing for an attack. We shall meet them, and we shall prevail. Take up your spears and bows, and ride. We leave immediately."

It is Day 1. Time has not yet started.

14 players are alive:
Anthras, Desra, Fener, Galain, Jalan, Kalse, Kedeviss, Omtose, Ryadd Eleis, Silchas Ruin, Tellan, Trake, Ultama, Venesara

8 votes to lynch, 8 to go to night.

Does anyone else think we should take a closer look at this first scene?

The leader was explicitly killed by his second in command. Given the setup and starting description I don't think this is just "flavour" that was applied to a generic NK. I think it was a scene setup specifically for this scenario. I think what happened to D'rek was kind of like a 1 time vig-slash-overthrow

In my opinion this is incredibly useful information because it tells us that

( A ) second in commands can kill their own leaders under certain circumstances (only some of them if the setup from PS is to be belived)
and
( B ) there was only one "regular" NK last night, so we aren't looking at a 3 day game, or facing multiple NKs per day.

Any thoughts?

What a wonderfully specific analysis. This whole post feels to me like you have extra information to go on.

Or spent 6 hours with no one to talk to thinking about possibly the only game mechanic that has been displayed

Do you actually think my ideas cannot be reached by looking at the setup/resolutions or did I just touch a nerve?

[Trake]

Lol at Galain. The irony of calling someone else stupid and then committing the stupidity themselves. I'm not sure why they then decided to reveal so much about themselves too.

[Trake]

Omtose, on 23 July 2014 - 02:49 PM, said:

Trake, on 23 July 2014 - 02:46 PM, said:

Omtose, on 23 July 2014 - 11:31 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 22 July 2014 - 09:44 PM, said:

Yoshikata Rokkaku walked along the wall of the castle that overlooked the river-cut ravine far below. Following behind at a respectful distance was his sandal-bearer, a young boy of 8, and his trusted Captain Azai Hisamisa. As he turned to make a comment on the night he was surprised to find Azai was standing mere inches away, and the boy was no where to be seen. His eyes widened and he began to scream, as with a gentle push, Azai sent him off the wall.

Ryeid Elas, Yoshitaka Rokkaku, is dead. He was D'rek and leader of the Rokkaku clan.

The outpost was dimly lit by torches, and as suspected the guards were all varying stages of drunk. Mibutomo Masaharu led his small group of hand-picked men over the wall and past the sharpened stakes. With a battle cry they rushed the center of the courtyard. Taken completely by surprise the defenders were soon overwhelmed. Surrounded, the captain of the fort surrendered and requested (as was only proper in this case), to commit seppuku.


Venesara, Masanaga Teruo, is dead. He was Brujah, and 2nd in command of the Ashikaga.

Path-Shaper, on 20 July 2014 - 02:55 AM, said:

Political instability and warfare have been the defining themes of more than a generation. Men in stations both high and low had risen to new heights, only to be torn down and trampled. Some rose again, some did not. Backing the wrong allies could ruin any lord, no matter how powerful. Famous families had fallen with new upstarts arising to take their place, only to find themselves also falling to the next ambitious player. This long season of turmoil was beginning to take its toll on a nation, now wishing to find a unifying force. Of course, each side believed that IT would be the one.

The general stalked down the hall of the keep towards the room where his men awaited. The young page slid the doors back and he entered the hall, stumping through the sudden silence that descended on the room as he reached the dais. He turned and sat smoothly on the raised platform and surveyed his counselors. Before speaking a word, he eyed each man in turn. Some he knew he could trust. Others he knew he had to trust in order to advance past rival clans. Whether or not they could actually be trusted was besides the point. He himself had risen to his position when opportunity to tear down a rival had occurred. He expected that others would do the same to him, so he would remain vigilant.

After locking eyes with each of his men, he began, "Summer has come. The cicadas cry out in the trees, and the only way to silence them is with the cries of our enemies. We have waited through the long winter, and now it is time to seize what is ours by right. Reports from our border posts have come that indicate forces massing for an attack. We shall meet them, and we shall prevail. Take up your spears and bows, and ride. We leave immediately."

It is Day 1. Time has not yet started.

14 players are alive:
Anthras, Desra, Fener, Galain, Jalan, Kalse, Kedeviss, Omtose, Ryadd Eleis, Silchas Ruin, Tellan, Trake, Ultama, Venesara

8 votes to lynch, 8 to go to night.

Does anyone else think we should take a closer look at this first scene?

The leader was explicitly killed by his second in command. Given the setup and starting description I don't think this is just "flavour" that was applied to a generic NK. I think it was a scene setup specifically for this scenario. I think what happened to D'rek was kind of like a 1 time vig-slash-overthrow

In my opinion this is incredibly useful information because it tells us that

( A ) second in commands can kill their own leaders under certain circumstances (only some of them if the setup from PS is to be belived)
and
( B ) there was only one "regular" NK last night, so we aren't looking at a 3 day game, or facing multiple NKs per day.

Any thoughts?

What a wonderfully specific analysis. This whole post feels to me like you have extra information to go on.

Or spent 6 hours with no one to talk to thinking about possibly the only game mechanic that has been displayed

Do you actually think my ideas cannot be reached by looking at the setup/resolutions or did I just touch a nerve?

I mentioned myself that it was interesting Ryadd was killed by a fellow Rokkaku.
Your mechanic theory sounds pretty sensible to me - which is exactly why I'm suspicious that you're privy to more information than you let on, hard effort or not.