[Anthras]

Ryadd Eleis, on 22 July 2014 - 02:05 PM, said:

Kedeviss, on 22 July 2014 - 01:25 PM, said:

Desra, on 22 July 2014 - 01:15 PM, said:

If we are in a faction game, on Day 1 when nobody knows their team mates (nominally), why would we be overly concerned about the missed lynch?

I mean, I could be persuaded to vote, but I don;t want to blindly lynch a potential ally.

Am I wrong here?

No, you're not wrong, really... but if there aren't any NKs (not very likely to be the case, but you never know) during Night 1, then we start Day 2 exactly where we ended Day 1, which is nowhere. You gotta have some death to start a culture hunt.

I seriously doubt Shin would put together a game with no lethal actions in it. And with the meta restrictions being so relaxed, some vig is bound to blow their lid early if they can.

Shinrei, on 14 July 2014 - 03:50 PM, said:

- Bloodiness depends to be honest. Based on how people play, it could be really short and vicious, or long and drawn out. I tend to like game designs that can tip either way.

In a nutshell, I'm big on personal accountability in my games, this one especially. Create your own opportunities, and dig your own graves.

This is Shin on the potential bloodiness of this game, so I'd assume NK's are at least possible, if not likely.

[Anthras]

Desra, on 22 July 2014 - 01:15 PM, said:

If we are in a faction game, on Day 1 when nobody knows their team mates (nominally), why would we be overly concerned about the missed lynch?

I mean, I could be persuaded to vote, but I don;t want to blindly lynch a potential ally.

Am I wrong here?

This is a good point, but just working off the fact that this is a faction game, and the assumption that a faction game includes at least 3 factions( I don't think shin would've kept the number in the dark if there were 2 factions), should we lynch, it's more likely that it won't be one of my teammates, and has more of a chance of weakening another faction. Of course, that's a risk, because there is the possibility that one of my teammates would get lynched, but the odds lean towards lynching someone not on my team.

That's the choice, either no-lynch and have no risk and no reward, and leave it up to unknowns who may or may not NK someone who may or may not be on your team, or lynch, and hope that the person lynched isn't on your team.

I honestly don't know which way I'm leaning yet.

[Ryadd Eleis]

Anthras, on 22 July 2014 - 02:09 PM, said:

Ryadd Eleis, on 22 July 2014 - 02:05 PM, said:

Kedeviss, on 22 July 2014 - 01:25 PM, said:

Desra, on 22 July 2014 - 01:15 PM, said:

If we are in a faction game, on Day 1 when nobody knows their team mates (nominally), why would we be overly concerned about the missed lynch?

I mean, I could be persuaded to vote, but I don;t want to blindly lynch a potential ally.

Am I wrong here?

No, you're not wrong, really... but if there aren't any NKs (not very likely to be the case, but you never know) during Night 1, then we start Day 2 exactly where we ended Day 1, which is nowhere. You gotta have some death to start a culture hunt.

I seriously doubt Shin would put together a game with no lethal actions in it. And with the meta restrictions being so relaxed, some vig is bound to blow their lid early if they can.

Shinrei, on 14 July 2014 - 03:50 PM, said:

- Bloodiness depends to be honest. Based on how people play, it could be really short and vicious, or long and drawn out. I tend to like game designs that can tip either way.

In a nutshell, I'm big on personal accountability in my games, this one especially. Create your own opportunities, and dig your own graves.

This is Shin on the potential bloodiness of this game, so I'd assume NK's are at least possible, if not likely.

Personal accountability ya? Maybe he gave someone a triple NK but made their personal vc to not use them

[Omtose]

Ryadd Eleis, on 22 July 2014 - 02:24 PM, said:

Anthras, on 22 July 2014 - 02:09 PM, said:

Ryadd Eleis, on 22 July 2014 - 02:05 PM, said:

Kedeviss, on 22 July 2014 - 01:25 PM, said:

Desra, on 22 July 2014 - 01:15 PM, said:

If we are in a faction game, on Day 1 when nobody knows their team mates (nominally), why would we be overly concerned about the missed lynch?

I mean, I could be persuaded to vote, but I don;t want to blindly lynch a potential ally.

Am I wrong here?

No, you're not wrong, really... but if there aren't any NKs (not very likely to be the case, but you never know) during Night 1, then we start Day 2 exactly where we ended Day 1, which is nowhere. You gotta have some death to start a culture hunt.

I seriously doubt Shin would put together a game with no lethal actions in it. And with the meta restrictions being so relaxed, some vig is bound to blow their lid early if they can.

Shinrei, on 14 July 2014 - 03:50 PM, said:

- Bloodiness depends to be honest. Based on how people play, it could be really short and vicious, or long and drawn out. I tend to like game designs that can tip either way.

In a nutshell, I'm big on personal accountability in my games, this one especially. Create your own opportunities, and dig your own graves.

This is Shin on the potential bloodiness of this game, so I'd assume NK's are at least possible, if not likely.

Personal accountability ya? Maybe he gave someone a triple NK but made their personal vc to not use them

Hah, sprinked Vigs like candy throughout the roles. "You get a vig, aren't you adorable you get two! You get one, and you get one. Oh darn I spilled the rest into your lap, now don't you go using them all at once!" *Wags finger*

Edit: removed a second "throughout the roles"

This post has been edited by Omtose: 22 July 2014 - 03:01 PM

[Kedeviss]

Ryadd Eleis, on 22 July 2014 - 02:05 PM, said:

Kedeviss, on 22 July 2014 - 01:25 PM, said:

Desra, on 22 July 2014 - 01:15 PM, said:

If we are in a faction game, on Day 1 when nobody knows their team mates (nominally), why would we be overly concerned about the missed lynch?

I mean, I could be persuaded to vote, but I don;t want to blindly lynch a potential ally.

Am I wrong here?

No, you're not wrong, really... but if there aren't any NKs (not very likely to be the case, but you never know) during Night 1, then we start Day 2 exactly where we ended Day 1, which is nowhere. You gotta have some death to start a culture hunt.

I seriously doubt Shin would put together a game with no lethal actions in it. And with the meta restrictions being so relaxed, some vig is bound to blow their lid early if they can.

Are you fucking dense? Can you not read the part where I said "NOT VERY LIKELY TO BE THE CASE" ?

[Ryadd Eleis]

Kedeviss, on 22 July 2014 - 03:17 PM, said:

Ryadd Eleis, on 22 July 2014 - 02:05 PM, said:

Kedeviss, on 22 July 2014 - 01:25 PM, said:

Desra, on 22 July 2014 - 01:15 PM, said:

If we are in a faction game, on Day 1 when nobody knows their team mates (nominally), why would we be overly concerned about the missed lynch?

I mean, I could be persuaded to vote, but I don;t want to blindly lynch a potential ally.

Am I wrong here?

No, you're not wrong, really... but if there aren't any NKs (not very likely to be the case, but you never know) during Night 1, then we start Day 2 exactly where we ended Day 1, which is nowhere. You gotta have some death to start a culture hunt.

I seriously doubt Shin would put together a game with no lethal actions in it. And with the meta restrictions being so relaxed, some vig is bound to blow their lid early if they can.

Are you fucking dense? Can you not read the part where I said "NOT VERY LIKELY TO BE THE CASE" ?

obviously I was just adding a bit of more contribution and not particularly serious speculation and not at all rebutting you yet suddenly here you blow up angrily?

removing joke vote:

remove vote

voting for real:

Vote Kedeviss


because that sudden outburst is mighty suspicious.

[Jalan]

The intensity of that post by Kedeviss does warrant a closer look.

Not only that but Kedeviss seems to think that a lynch on day one in a faction game is important, when we need to be really careful who we choose in case they are on our team.

The last bit of his post contradicts the no NK statement as he is talking about having a bit of death to start a culture hunt. It is a bit strange as he is the only option at the moment (for the lynch) and he hasn't provided us with an alternative.

[Galain]

Anthras, on 22 July 2014 - 02:20 PM, said:

Desra, on 22 July 2014 - 01:15 PM, said:

If we are in a faction game, on Day 1 when nobody knows their team mates (nominally), why would we be overly concerned about the missed lynch?

I mean, I could be persuaded to vote, but I don;t want to blindly lynch a potential ally.

Am I wrong here?

This is a good point, but just working off the fact that this is a faction game, and the assumption that a faction game includes at least 3 factions( I don't think shin would've kept the number in the dark if there were 2 factions), should we lynch, it's more likely that it won't be one of my teammates, and has more of a chance of weakening another faction. Of course, that's a risk, because there is the possibility that one of my teammates would get lynched, but the odds lean towards lynching someone not on my team.

That's the choice, either no-lynch and have no risk and no reward, and leave it up to unknowns who may or may not NK someone who may or may not be on your team, or lynch, and hope that the person lynched isn't on your team.

I honestly don't know which way I'm leaning yet.

The main point in getting a lynch in a faction game is to use it to identify other faction members. Desra's resistance to a Ked lynch could indicate that she knows he is one of her team members. I agree that the odds are against hitting your own team, and Desra's defense could indicate that either she or Ked has an important role.

vote Ked

[Kedeviss]

Right, so you're all doing exactly what I predicted would happen. Colour me shocked. Or well, not at all.

No alternative case? So the fact that I pointed out that Fener's trying to imply that there's scum in a faction game is not an alternative? I've got my vote on Fener for a reason.

[Jalan]

That does not prove one way or another what faction Fener is in, or that he is high up in that faction, so what are you trying to imply about Fener?

[Desra]

Galain, on 22 July 2014 - 03:50 PM, said:

Anthras, on 22 July 2014 - 02:20 PM, said:

Desra, on 22 July 2014 - 01:15 PM, said:

If we are in a faction game, on Day 1 when nobody knows their team mates (nominally), why would we be overly concerned about the missed lynch?

I mean, I could be persuaded to vote, but I don;t want to blindly lynch a potential ally.

Am I wrong here?

This is a good point, but just working off the fact that this is a faction game, and the assumption that a faction game includes at least 3 factions( I don't think shin would've kept the number in the dark if there were 2 factions), should we lynch, it's more likely that it won't be one of my teammates, and has more of a chance of weakening another faction. Of course, that's a risk, because there is the possibility that one of my teammates would get lynched, but the odds lean towards lynching someone not on my team.

That's the choice, either no-lynch and have no risk and no reward, and leave it up to unknowns who may or may not NK someone who may or may not be on your team, or lynch, and hope that the person lynched isn't on your team.

I honestly don't know which way I'm leaning yet.

The main point in getting a lynch in a faction game is to use it to identify other faction members. Desra's resistance to a Ked lynch could indicate that she knows he is one of her team members. I agree that the odds are against hitting your own team, and Desra's defense could indicate that either she or Ked has an important role.

vote Ked

not defending Kedeviss, I would have asked regardless

[Kedeviss]

Gonna have a bit of a look at all the votes that have gone out so far....

Kedeviss, on 21 July 2014 - 05:39 PM, said:

Omtose is trying to subconsciously have us believe that he's going to win this game... single-handedly. This is a faction game, so this does not make any sense.

vote Omtose

Cause he's trying to confuse us already.

Clearly a joke vote.

Omtose, on 21 July 2014 - 09:26 PM, said:

First word he posts all game is "Fear". Plainly trying to setup a frightening presence for himself to make people less likely to bring negative attention to him.

WELL IT WILL NOT WORK ON ME!

Vote Fener

Also because he's Fener.

Another joke vote...

Ryadd Eleis, on 21 July 2014 - 10:48 PM, said:

You two have pretty similar avatars. Either you should be lovers or one of you should die to prevent confusion.

Vote Kedeviss

Ked, if you don't like it, the first optrion is still there...

Another joke vote...

Fener, on 22 July 2014 - 03:53 AM, said:

Listmaking is a sure sign of scum.

VOTE KEDVISS

I remember a time where the mere mention of scum in a faction game was enough to get you voted out....

Omtose, on 22 July 2014 - 10:10 AM, said:

Kedeviss, on 21 July 2014 - 02:09 PM, said:

Omtose, on 21 July 2014 - 09:06 AM, said:

First!

This is clearly Messremb. He's always trying to be first!

Safe post, accusing someone of being a person who isn't even playing, good way to seem not too interested in the game while getting your post count up. Generates innocuous attention to him and gets some back and forth going but none of it will have any substance.

Kedeviss, on 21 July 2014 - 02:33 PM, said:

Omtose, on 21 July 2014 - 02:21 PM, said:

Kedeviss, on 21 July 2014 - 02:09 PM, said:

Omtose, on 21 July 2014 - 09:06 AM, said:

First!

This is clearly Messremb. He's always trying to be first!

Always trying but never first.

By the by, Mess isn't even playing, why are you trying to introduce meta about a player who isn't even in the game?

I have my eye on you!

Bah - I was just looking at Gnaw's latest list and didn't even realize that Mess had backed out.

Backs off quickly when he is called out on it, sets up the following post

Kedeviss, on 21 July 2014 - 02:37 PM, said:

So for posterity's sake...

• Inane Babble
• Azath
• Lizradus
• Unfound
• Brujah
• Blend
• Lady Bliss
• Tatts
• Khell
• GH
• HO
• Starling
• Obdigore
• D'rek

That's our list right?

A "contribution" that tells us nothing more than what we all already knew. With so little content people might mistake this for clearing up confusion, but it is something he himself introduced and regardless of it's resolution it raised doubts with people about who they thought was in the game and wasted peoples time thinking about something that shouldn't even have been an issue.

Kedeviss, on 21 July 2014 - 05:39 PM, said:

Omtose, on 21 July 2014 - 05:33 PM, said:

Venesara, on 21 July 2014 - 05:31 PM, said:

My avatar is one of the best so far.

Oh please. This avatar is the only one people have fought over. It is plainly the best.

(I won)

Omtose is trying to subconsciously have us believe that he's going to win this game... single-handedly. This is a faction game, so this does not make any sense.

vote Omtose

Cause he's trying to confuse us already.

An ironic condemnation in this joke post. I'd say he is projecting, but don't credit him with such self awareness

Kedeviss has appears to be trying to be a helpful poster but hasn't done anything but state the obvious.

Vote Kedeviss

I guess to someone as intelligent as you are, Omtose, it was obvious who was in the game.... but I had made the mistake of just looking at Gnaw's most recently posted list, and I had gotten the fact that Messremb isn't in this game anymore wrong. I posted the list to make sure I had the correct list of players, so that I could confirm who I should be looking out for given that we're allowed to use meta in this game. I suppose that's not very helpful to you cause you're so smart, but it was helpful to me, so there you have it.

Omtose, on 22 July 2014 - 10:29 AM, said:

Oops!

Removte Vote

Vote Kedeviss

Thanks

@Galain: We have less than a 3rd of the day left, and have barely cracked 2 pages. I am not holding out a lot of hope for a nuanced and reasoned discussion for what pathetic amounts of discussion there has been to date with the amount of activity there has been.

Just a continuation of his earlier vote give he'd forgotten to remove...

Kedeviss, on 22 July 2014 - 01:06 PM, said:

This is a faction game, there are no scum. Stop trying to confuse the thread.

remove vote
vote Fener

As I said above, I remember when the mere mention of scum in a faction game was enough to get one voted out. Thus, my vote...

Kalse, on 22 July 2014 - 01:17 PM, said:

I would hypothesize that the tone and rate of posting represents the unknowable state of this game. Not only is it a faction game, but there is also the conspicuous absence of an identifiable threat like scum in an M&P. Everyone is roled, so that target for identification is moot. We could play "discuss the game mechanics" but that route inevitably leads to the lynch of the person who seems like they have a good grasp on the game or someone who seems to spend too much time talking about a juicy role.

At this point, I wonder about those who are talkative and confident. Have they not thought about these above issues or, even more probable, do they know or have something that compels them to go on fishing expeditions, acting confused that the thread is so quiet.

Two players stand out for me in this respect:
Fener with trying to condense the game into scum (who make lists) vs town
and
Desra with comments on how quiet everyone has been without being particularly contributive themself

I could buy Fener joking around, but Desra rubs me the wrong way.

Vote Desra

At least there's an attempt to make a case here, even if it boils down to "Desra rubs me the wrong way" - I personally think that Fener's more suspect than Desra, but Kalse's points on both are valid.

Ryadd Eleis, on 22 July 2014 - 03:28 PM, said:

obviously I was just adding a bit of more contribution and not particularly serious speculation and not at all rebutting you yet suddenly here you blow up angrily?

removing joke vote:

remove vote

voting for real:

Vote Kedeviss


because that sudden outburst is mighty suspicious.

Completely OMGUS if you ask me - he's all like "Ked asking me if I'm dense hurt my feelings, so he must be some kind of power player because we all know how power players stick their necks out on Day 1, DERRRRRR."

I think it's odd that there's no consideration of the idea that I could be, I dunno, trying to attract the votes, or, I dunno, actually annoyed at the idiocy of him saying something completely idiotic...

But then the sheep all start following...

Galain, on 22 July 2014 - 03:50 PM, said:

The main point in getting a lynch in a faction game is to use it to identify other faction members. Desra's resistance to a Ked lynch could indicate that she knows he is one of her team members. I agree that the odds are against hitting your own team, and Desra's defense could indicate that either she or Ked has an important role.

vote Ked

Again with the "Ked must have an important role" cause I'm sticking my neck out and calling people out on their idiocy. I just don't get this mindset. If I had an important role, I'd more likely just be sitting back and watching you all talk yourselves into circles instead of trying to actually create some conversation.

[Kedeviss]

Jalan, on 22 July 2014 - 03:56 PM, said:

That does not prove one way or another what faction Fener is in, or that he is high up in that faction, so what are you trying to imply about Fener?

What I am trying to imply about him is that he's trying to muddy the waters right off the bat. I think that the only way we're going to keep people discussing actual game possibilities is by calling people out on blatant misconceptions.

I don't know what faction Fener is in, I don't know what faction anyone is in. I DO believe that the only way we get to start faction hunting is by actually killing off someone. I'm upset that the easy target is going to end up being me, but I can't really do anything about the sheep mentality of this thread.

[Jalan]

Kedeviss, on 22 July 2014 - 04:08 PM, said:

Completely OMGUS if you ask me - he's all like "Ked asking me if I'm dense hurt my feelings, so he must be some kind of power player because we all know how power players stick their necks out on Day 1, DERRRRRR."

I think it's odd that there's no consideration of the idea that I could be, I dunno, trying to attract the votes, or, I dunno, actually annoyed at the idiocy of him saying something completely idiotic...

Why would you be trying to attract the votes?

Kedeviss, on 22 July 2014 - 04:11 PM, said:

Jalan, on 22 July 2014 - 03:56 PM, said:

That does not prove one way or another what faction Fener is in, or that he is high up in that faction, so what are you trying to imply about Fener?

What I am trying to imply about him is that he's trying to muddy the waters right off the bat. I think that the only way we're going to keep people discussing actual game possibilities is by calling people out on blatant misconceptions.

I don't know what faction Fener is in, I don't know what faction anyone is in. I DO believe that the only way we get to start faction hunting is by actually killing off someone. I'm upset that the easy target is going to end up being me, but I can't really do anything about the sheep mentality of this thread.

So, lets just say Fener is in your faction, are you saying that you are more important than him?

You are saying that we should lynch someone, as long as that someone isn't you, and that you don't care who we lynch, am I correct?

It does seem like you are not playing for your team or your faction and are on some sort of solo mission.

Vote Kedeviss

[Path-Shaper]

Path-Shaper, on 22 July 2014 - 01:07 PM, said:

It is Day 1. 7 hours and 54 minutes remain in the day.

It is Day 1. 4 hours and 44 minutes remain in the day.

14 players are alive:
Anthras, Desra, Fener, Galain, Jalan, Kalse, Kedeviss, Omtose, Ryadd Eleis, Silchas Ruin, Tellan, Trake, Ultama, Venesara

8 votes to lynch, 8 to go to night

1 vote Fener: Kedeviss
5 votes Kedeviss: Ryadd Eleis, Fener, Omtose, Galain, Jalan
1 vote Desra: Kalse


Players not voted: Anthras, Desra, Silchas Ruin, Tellan, Trake, Ultama, Venesara

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 22 July 2014 - 04:40 PM

[Jalan]

By my count there should be 6 votes for Kedeviss. 3 from your last update and 3 since.

[Kedeviss]

Jalan, on 22 July 2014 - 04:17 PM, said:

Kedeviss, on 22 July 2014 - 04:08 PM, said:

Completely OMGUS if you ask me - he's all like "Ked asking me if I'm dense hurt my feelings, so he must be some kind of power player because we all know how power players stick their necks out on Day 1, DERRRRRR."

I think it's odd that there's no consideration of the idea that I could be, I dunno, trying to attract the votes, or, I dunno, actually annoyed at the idiocy of him saying something completely idiotic...

Why would you be trying to attract the votes?

Kedeviss, on 22 July 2014 - 04:11 PM, said:

Jalan, on 22 July 2014 - 03:56 PM, said:

That does not prove one way or another what faction Fener is in, or that he is high up in that faction, so what are you trying to imply about Fener?

What I am trying to imply about him is that he's trying to muddy the waters right off the bat. I think that the only way we're going to keep people discussing actual game possibilities is by calling people out on blatant misconceptions.

I don't know what faction Fener is in, I don't know what faction anyone is in. I DO believe that the only way we get to start faction hunting is by actually killing off someone. I'm upset that the easy target is going to end up being me, but I can't really do anything about the sheep mentality of this thread.

So, lets just say Fener is in your faction, are you saying that you are more important than him?

You are saying that we should lynch someone, as long as that someone isn't you, and that you don't care who we lynch, am I correct?

It does seem like you are not playing for your team or your faction and are on some sort of solo mission.

Vote Kedeviss

Until we have someone's faction, there's no point in making any assumptions or not about which faction someone is in. We don't even know how many factions there are. I'm saying that for Day 1, someone trying to create WIFOM that shouldn't exist is suspect.

My 'mission' is to create some information that we can use later to actually make cases and/or start a culture hunt.

[Kedeviss]

Jalan, on 22 July 2014 - 04:22 PM, said:

By my count there should be 6 votes for Kedeviss. 3 from your last update and 3 since.

5 actually, Ryadd removed from me, then voted for me.

But yeah, you're missing Galain on the vote count there PS.

[Kedeviss]

Jalan, on 22 July 2014 - 04:17 PM, said:

Kedeviss, on 22 July 2014 - 04:08 PM, said:

Completely OMGUS if you ask me - he's all like "Ked asking me if I'm dense hurt my feelings, so he must be some kind of power player because we all know how power players stick their necks out on Day 1, DERRRRRR."

I think it's odd that there's no consideration of the idea that I could be, I dunno, trying to attract the votes, or, I dunno, actually annoyed at the idiocy of him saying something completely idiotic...

Why would you be trying to attract the votes?

Why indeed.....

[Kedeviss]

Kedeviss, on 22 July 2014 - 04:24 PM, said:

Jalan, on 22 July 2014 - 04:22 PM, said:

By my count there should be 6 votes for Kedeviss. 3 from your last update and 3 since.

5 actually, Ryadd removed from me, then voted for me.

But yeah, you're missing Galain on the vote count there PS.

Or well, it says 4 but there are 5 names.