[acesn8s]

Briar King, on 25 June 2015 - 08:39 PM, said:

I read that yesterday. They guess flashbacks to Tower of Joy may feature in S6.

Howland Reed or Bran flashbacks through the Godswood trees?

[worry]

The ghost of Jon Snow flashbacking his own conception.

[LinearPhilosopher]

Cause, on 24 June 2015 - 10:03 AM, said:

BalrogLord, on 23 June 2015 - 03:48 PM, said:

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"Because peer review can get ridiculous, another scientist suggested that no fewer than three major stars can account for the planet's orbital weirdness, or that it might actually be an exomoon orbiting a gas giant. We're sure we'll get a definitive answer when A Dream of Spring is released in 2047 by the son of Brandon Sanderson."

Im pretty sure its been confirmed to magical in nature.

Still I want to know how they survive. Even a year long winter, with lets say 6 months of darkness only. What will the deer eat? What Will the Direwolves eat? I understand that humans can stockpile food but the ecosystem should be dying.

i'm also curious as to whether or not the white walkers would be a threat to places as far south as dorne.

[Traveller]

I thought winter arrived, which then allowed the Walkers to travel south. So they built the wall.

[TheRetiredBridgeburner]

I've just begun a re-read (well, just hit Clash of Kings) and I've realised that Aegon might actually be a plot hole or something that was patched in later. I'm not sure what that means for his legitimancy or not, but here goes:

Spoiler

The conversation Arya overhears between the disguised Varys and Illyrio in the dungeons when she hides mostly revolves around them discussing Ned being close to the truth about Cersei's children and the fact that they are "not ready" for war to come this quickly, and Illyrio implies to Varys that he needs to keep juggling a while longer.

When they discuss why they're not ready, all the reasoning revolves around Daenerys. There is no mention of Aegon, and indeed no mention of any other person at all. This doesn't tally with what Varys tells the dying Kevan about them needing the realm in chaos to give Aegon an easier conquest.

As I said, I'm not really sure how crucial it is or what to make of it at all. It could just be that Aegon was patched in later and it has no bearing on whether he's the genuine article or not. But I feel like Rhaegar's son being alive and Dany not being the last Targaryen is a fairly important plot point (and important for Dany's character) so it seems odd that no mention is made at all when the two are plotting.

Hohum.

[Ceda Cicero]

Briar King, on 26 July 2015 - 12:54 AM, said:

Been awhile since I've read but maybe only 1 of them is aware of the fact.

While I think it's highly possible that Aegon was "patched in" as RBB suggests, I also think one could interpret that Illyrio/Varys exchange as a key kernel of evidence undermining Aegon's legitimacy. Perhaps--sometime between that conversation in book 1 and the big Aegon reveal in book 5, Illyrio and Varys make the moves to get the ball rolling with Aegon as they realize that Dany is going to get mired in the far east.

Although as I type that I realize it makes no sense. With Connington and the GC et al in the picture it makes no sense timeline-wise.

[TheRetiredBridgeburner]

I considered that it was just me being nitpicky so I'm glad someone else thought it rung a little odd. I've no idea what to make of the timeline and the switch to Aegon, but my gut feeling would be the real Aegon should have been hinted at before.

Although, a quick read of Forum of Ice and Fire suggests the Golden Company are a big factor in the "fake Aegon" side of the debate. I'm personally in the "Aegon = Perkin Warbeck" camp, given Martin's fondness for the Wars of the Roses.

This post has been edited by TheRetiredBridgeburner: 27 July 2015 - 07:42 AM

[worry]

Ian McShane has reportedly been cast in a relatively small screen time but "key" role. I suppose it's not Randyll Tarly if they're keeping it a mystery.

[TheRetiredBridgeburner]

Given up my re-read just shy of the Red Wedding. Kind of sad, I really loved these books when I was younger. I enjoyed the first, but since then it's started to feel stale and repetetive. I think I forgave a lot because I read them young enough that they were my first big series post- LOTR and Wheel of Time.

[Werthead]

Re: Aegon

Spoiler

It's possible he was "patched in" after AGoT, but he was definitely part of the plan as of ACoK. Plenty of readers picked up on the "Mummer's Dragon" part of the prophecy of the Undying. GRRM uncharacteristically gave it away at cons and signings before even ASoS came out, as people kept asking him if Aegon was dead and he kept prevaricating or only confirming that Rhaenys was.

[TheRetiredBridgeburner]

Werthead, on 11 August 2015 - 09:29 PM, said:

Re: Aegon

Spoiler

It's possible he was "patched in" after AGoT, but he was definitely part of the plan as of ACoK. Plenty of readers picked up on the "Mummer's Dragon" part of the prophecy of the Undying. GRRM uncharacteristically gave it away at cons and signings before even ASoS came out, as people kept asking him if Aegon was dead and he kept prevaricating or only confirming that Rhaenys was.

Good point. I wonder why he did that - as you say, it's uncharacteristic!