[Vengeance]

It is now day 2

17 hours and 10 minutes remaining

Still alive
AzathMaster, EM,GH, HO,Inane Babble ,Messem,Shinrei, Tatt's, Tapper, The Unfound


1 vote for HiddenOne (Tapper)



Not voted

The rest

This post has been edited by Vengeance: 01 July 2014 - 08:02 PM

[Tattersail_]

I removed.

I'm going to vote tomorrow. My top suspect at the moment is HO.

[Vengeance]

Tattersail_, on 01 July 2014 - 08:01 PM, said:

I removed.

I'm going to vote tomorrow. My top suspect at the moment is HO.

So you did I missed it.


Fixed.

[Messremb]

Tattersail_, on 01 July 2014 - 08:01 PM, said:

I removed.

I'm going to vote tomorrow. My top suspect at the moment is HO.

What is your logic?

[Messremb]

So no-one else seems to want to do it, I'll look at Khell - if he was a symp who else could he have signalled.

Shin 1
Unfound 11

Khellendros, on 30 June 2014 - 03:14 PM, said:

Shinrei, on 30 June 2014 - 02:38 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 30 June 2014 - 02:33 PM, said:

Has anyone seen this guy either?

Spoiler

(For those who don't know, this is Khell)

Khell isn't even half that awesome.

Actually, having asked myself this very question, it turns out that I am twice as awesome as that guy. Exactly twice.

For one thing, I have a sensibly short haircut. And just like how being a geek is now cool, sensible short is now awesome.



Also, by the by, Inane and HO are scum, Tatts is the symp. Unless we think Tatts' "stick with me kid" was just too on the nose for a signalling attempt?

Shin is the odd one out here, quoted but not mentioned by Khell. Significant? Maybe, maybe not.

Khellendros, on 30 June 2014 - 03:16 PM, said:

But then there's Unfound, who claims not being in a great state to play, and yet here he is anyway - roled?

M&P Khell, only roles are scum. Wouldn't be so obvious as to say you're here despite not being great, you must be a killer - would he?

Khellendros, on 30 June 2014 - 03:18 PM, said:

Tatts is being very eager even by his own prolific standards. I've been burned by that more than once. Trying too hard to act like he does when he's townie?

Points out Tatts; reads more like spreading doubt than signalling

Khellendros, on 30 June 2014 - 03:22 PM, said:

We've got...four days WCS. Is that right?

Maffs Skilz R Uz

Khellendros, on 30 June 2014 - 03:24 PM, said:

The Unfound, on 30 June 2014 - 03:22 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 30 June 2014 - 03:16 PM, said:

But then there's Unfound, who claims not being in a great state to play, and yet here he is anyway - roled?

At work and the 3D printer is doing its thing. So being here shouldnt be that surprising. Plus I just got some grease in me so Im perking up a bit

You just got some grease in you? Are you...the 3D printer? AI has evolved, and its first act was to come play mafia.

Unfound responds, Khell back

Khellendros, on 30 June 2014 - 03:22 PM, said:

Messremb, on 30 June 2014 - 03:21 PM, said:

Tapper, on 30 June 2014 - 02:45 PM, said:

HiddenOne, on 30 June 2014 - 02:27 PM, said:

Maybe he's trying to establish his innocence by covering the thread in speculation, like when he's really inno. Is there even a name for that?

There is. It's called "drowning in your own shit".

I tend to think of it as tattsing. I.e. jizzing over everything and everyone until the whole thread is an abominable sticky mess

That is quite the image.

Image; back to the gifs?

Khellendros, on 30 June 2014 - 03:32 PM, said:

They're clearly having an off-thread conversation.

Failure to understand the game setup? - for humour or playing for giving the impression of not knowing the killers are blind to eachother?

Khellendros, on 30 June 2014 - 03:49 PM, said:

Gust Hubb, on 30 June 2014 - 03:40 PM, said:

Messremb, on 30 June 2014 - 03:39 PM, said:

Gust Hubb, on 30 June 2014 - 03:37 PM, said:

Here.

So with the subtitle, I must ask, were the roles given out randomly? If not, maybe Vengance had a moment of kindness and gave us the most lynch-able people as scum.

Who do you consider to be most lynchable just for who they are?

Easy. Tatts, EM, and Khells.

Hmm, I think this makes me proud.

Possible link to Gust

Khellendros, on 30 June 2014 - 03:50 PM, said:

lol, awesome crosspost reaction with EM!

Discounting this

[Messremb]

Khellendros, on 30 June 2014 - 03:51 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 30 June 2014 - 03:47 PM, said:

Let's be honest, HO has changed his game style the most!

Remove vote
Vote Hidden One


He is being active and that has me wary, I encourage activity but come on, it's HO, only time he is active is when he is scum!

Tatts very quick to latch on to Gusty's advice here.

Sets up potential following; discounting both Tatts and Gust at this stage.

Khellendros, on 30 June 2014 - 03:53 PM, said:

I'm off to watch France-Nigeria. I want France to win, but I also want Shola Ameobi to score.

Football? Might be some reference someone else can figure out

Khellendros, on 30 June 2014 - 07:27 PM, said:

Messremb, on 30 June 2014 - 07:16 PM, said:

I find this silence scummy.

I find Mess' constant asides scummy.

Content to play around; possibly signalling me

Khellendros, on 30 June 2014 - 07:33 PM, said:

Messremb, on 30 June 2014 - 07:30 PM, said:

I find your rapid response to refute the silence to be scummy... distancing from a silent partner?

11 minutes is a rapid response? I find your actual super-fast response both hypocritical and, of course, scummily jumpy and defensive.

Joking still but I'd discount me as master as he wouldn't try to push it too far - would he? Thoughts people?

Khellendros, on 30 June 2014 - 07:43 PM, said:

You're now pretending to be a rabbit? But everyone knows Messremb is a bear. So you're a bear hiding in rabbit's clothing. Ergo, scum pretending to be town.


Vote Messremb

More interaction with me - bear in rabbits clothing? So if I am scum and Khell is symp he thinks I'm really quite thick and missing his signals entirely...

Khellendros, on 30 June 2014 - 08:06 PM, said:

I tire of your infighting and politicking, and shall retire to watch the Germany-Algeria game.


I'll leave a serious vote before I go to bed tonight, as I probably won't make it on again until after timeout. Having just typed 'serious vote', while the style of my vote for Messremb might be less than serious, I quite like him as a candidate for scum.

I'd again discount me based on a symp saying this

Khellendros, on 01 July 2014 - 01:03 AM, said:

So I have Tatts, Unfound, Inane, HO, Azath, and let's throw in Messremb in there too. There's also the lingering suspicion that while Tatts might be a symp, he could also be leading us down the wrong trails, such has been the apparent obviousness of the signalling, if indeed that is what it is. For that reason, I have doubts about whether to go down that route.

Hmm, HO's been asking a fair few questions of people, what do you think about this, why do say this about that. Questions but few opinions.

Points fingers at HO

Khellendros, on 01 July 2014 - 01:06 AM, said:

The Unfound, on 30 June 2014 - 08:31 PM, said:

Well it seems to be a typical Day 1 with much goofing around. Being new makes it a little difficult for me to tell when some of you are joking at times. But I will roll with it. Tatts is acting like Tatts and vomiting gifs and pics all over the thread. Which would usually lead me to believe that he is clouding things for everyone, but...well like I said its Tatts. Im not willing to make that leap quite yet, but as always I will keep an eye on him, even if its simply because his posting style pisses me off. GH's little poke at AM getting such a quick response rings a couple bells.

Nice little but largely pointless summary of recent events. You felt the need to post this because why? Felt you had to make some sort of substance-seeming post?

Bit of bitching at Unfound, distance or just spreading shit

Khellendros, on 01 July 2014 - 01:15 AM, said:

I'd quite like to vote Unfound, but I'm loath to start yet another train, especially as I likely won't be around again before day times out. I'd also quite like to vote HO, but then I'd be joining Tatts on the train.

So I'll go with

Remove Vote

Vote Azathmaster

Votes AM, no justification

Khellendros, on 01 July 2014 - 01:21 AM, said:

HiddenOne, on 01 July 2014 - 01:18 AM, said:

You feel like scum right now and you have all day

If you've felt like that all day about me then why haven't you voted for me already? What's stopping you? If that's the way you feel then vote away.

Of course, if you can come up with more than a "feeling" that might also be useful.

Then queries HO saying something on similar lines

Khellendros, on 01 July 2014 - 01:23 AM, said:

HiddenOne, on 01 July 2014 - 01:17 AM, said:

Khell I always ask questions, have you forgotten? You're flailing a bit. And any use of context should reveal that my comment about being out of words was sarcastic, responding to Shin's harassment. I always sign off properly when able

It didn't read as sarcastic to me when I was reading up, looked like you were really signing off. But I accept that as a plausible explanation for your continued presence.

Last interaction with HO. So out of that I reckon most likely is Shin or Unfound, should Khell be symp. Anyone else got thoughts?

And yes, near the top of my previous post I did start counting references to players but then forgot, hence it not getting deleted before posting

[Azathmaster]

The Unfound, on 01 July 2014 - 07:03 PM, said:

So in trying to look down a new avenue Iooked into and Azath-ST connection. Its extremely tenuous given that AM hasnt posted in almost 20 hours, which I find scummy in and of itself really.

Azathmaster, on 30 June 2014 - 01:48 PM, said:

Vote Gusty

I still haven't forgiven you

Azathmaster, on 30 June 2014 - 01:49 PM, said:

Oh and im here and checking in

Quotes AM in one of his first post and mentions Mess

Sir Thursday, on 30 June 2014 - 11:09 PM, said:

Azathmaster, on 30 June 2014 - 10:48 PM, said:

AHHHHH! HE'S SPREADING WIFOM!

Just kidding, that accusation didn't get scum last game.

But seriously, you and Messremb need different avatars, it's really messing with my head.

And I will be here for a few hours, all read up.

Messing with YOUR head? Imagine how I feel reading through the thread and suddenly finding a post that it looks like I wrote that I don't remember anything about!

But yeah, I know Venge is a big WIFOM fan but personally I tend to find people tend to be a bit too afraid of it. Especially in a game where nobody has license to be wilfully obtuse, I figure it's best to get the discussion out of the way early. To do well in Mafia as town involves knowing what you're looking for, and role spec done right can be a big help in that regard. For example, as Messremb points out, this setup lends itself to scum doing a lot more signalling than usual. That gives us something to work with.

ST

Then he quotes Mess

Sir Thursday, on 30 June 2014 - 11:57 PM, said:

Messremb, on 30 June 2014 - 11:39 PM, said:

Just got to point out how you could be seen to be signalling Khell and AM with your first quoted posts here

Oh and avatar is back to normal

Why do you leave yourself out from that list? I've interacted with you just as much as the other two . Actually, you've been bouncing around an awful lot - when I read through I found you trying interact with at least half the players in the game:

Tattersail - Post 84
Hidden One - Post 86
Gust Hubb - Post 97
Inane Babble - Post 113
Khellendros - Post 142
Sir Thursday - Post 149

Quite an impressive list, it must be said.

ETA: X-Post with Messremb leaving for the night.

So I actually didnt find much. But then again the signalling aspect of everything has my head spinning a little. AM still peaks my interest but either I just cant put the pieces together correctly or its because of the lack of content from him that there isnt any REALLY compelling evidence

So I'm checking in again, life is being a dick and not giving me much time to get online and post, but I"m here now. ST getting killed by the other killer is a very interesting development, and as I think a few other people mentioned, we need to look back over the thread and see who may have been signalling him, and then who else that person may have been signalling. I'm honestly not very good at finding signaling, and with only a brief look, the amount of possible signals during the day 1 shenanigans are way too much for any one person to sort through, and signalling cases are just begging for a defense consisting of "it's WIFOM!" which I think complicates things.

Another possibility to look at along with the signalling aspect are people's attitudes to the Khell lynch (maybe there was someone who piled on a little too early for no good reason?) I need to go read up on the lynch now, but I'll see if there's anything I can find.

Moving on to the case(?) against me... I don't really see what it's about. If I understand correctly, my avatar being a penguin make people think that I was being signalled by the penguins pics/gifs, and the fact that I happened to check in a few minutes after I was mentioned as a possible lynch target was suspicious, and those are the only reasons why I was brought up as a possible target? And Khell voted me with no justification, something that may indicate him as symp (messremb, I know you did all the work and I only took a little piece of it).

Will be around.

[Azathmaster]

Messremb, on 01 July 2014 - 08:24 PM, said:

So no-one else seems to want to do it, I'll look at Khell - if he was a symp who else could he have signalled.

Shin 1
Unfound 11

Khellendros, on 30 June 2014 - 03:14 PM, said:

Shinrei, on 30 June 2014 - 02:38 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 30 June 2014 - 02:33 PM, said:

Has anyone seen this guy either?

Spoiler

(For those who don't know, this is Khell)

Khell isn't even half that awesome.

Actually, having asked myself this very question, it turns out that I am twice as awesome as that guy. Exactly twice.

For one thing, I have a sensibly short haircut. And just like how being a geek is now cool, sensible short is now awesome.



Also, by the by, Inane and HO are scum, Tatts is the symp. Unless we think Tatts' "stick with me kid" was just too on the nose for a signalling attempt?

Shin is the odd one out here, quoted but not mentioned by Khell. Significant? Maybe, maybe not.

Seeing as he actually responds to Shin, I don't see it as too significant. Of course, you never know, it could be a subtle signal.

Speaking of signaling and symps: Venge said the symps know both killers, and the killers don't know each other, but do the killers know the symp?

[Messremb]

Azathmaster, on 01 July 2014 - 08:46 PM, said:

Messremb, on 01 July 2014 - 08:24 PM, said:

So no-one else seems to want to do it, I'll look at Khell - if he was a symp who else could he have signalled.

Shin 1
Unfound 11

Khellendros, on 30 June 2014 - 03:14 PM, said:

Shinrei, on 30 June 2014 - 02:38 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 30 June 2014 - 02:33 PM, said:

Has anyone seen this guy either?

Spoiler

(For those who don't know, this is Khell)

Khell isn't even half that awesome.

Actually, having asked myself this very question, it turns out that I am twice as awesome as that guy. Exactly twice.

For one thing, I have a sensibly short haircut. And just like how being a geek is now cool, sensible short is now awesome.



Also, by the by, Inane and HO are scum, Tatts is the symp. Unless we think Tatts' "stick with me kid" was just too on the nose for a signalling attempt?

Shin is the odd one out here, quoted but not mentioned by Khell. Significant? Maybe, maybe not.

Seeing as he actually responds to Shin, I don't see it as too significant. Of course, you never know, it could be a subtle signal.

Speaking of signaling and symps: Venge said the symps know both killers, and the killers don't know each other, but do the killers know the symp?

Symp, singular from Venge:

Vengeance, on 28 June 2014 - 02:33 AM, said:

Ok how does this set up sound.

Two killers and a symp. The killers don't know each other but the symp knows both.

That should keep a high body count and give town some good chances to win. I may add in a town role as well.

Days will be 24 hours with 0 nights. Game should last 4 days tops. So just the week. Since it is going to be altless
meta is encouraged. If you have anyone on your list this is a good game to even the score.

I wouldn't expect the killers to know the symp, would anyone else in M&P?

[Messremb]

I'll get around to Shin shortly - or not so shortly.

[Azathmaster]

I wouldn't expect them to know the symp, but you never know. I think Venge probably would have told us if the killers knew the symp, but it never hurts to be sure.

[HiddenOne]

Tattersail_, on 01 July 2014 - 08:01 PM, said:

I removed.

I'm going to vote tomorrow. My top suspect at the moment is HO.

er..what? What's the problem?

[Gust Hubb]

I like the stream of consciousness from Mess, but I feel like he is almost teasing us with all the connections he brings up between himself and ST, almost as if he is trying to be painted the symp or subtly teasing us about really being the killer. He is doing a good analysis, but I see more self recrimination than anything. Gonna read that all again.

[Messremb]

So I finally get to Shin as a symp candidate:

Shinrei, on 30 June 2014 - 01:52 PM, said:

Vote HiddenOne
because he deserves it

Shinrei, on 30 June 2014 - 01:53 PM, said:

That size 7 isn't nearly big enough.

Taking lessons from the Macros school of symping?

Shinrei, on 30 June 2014 - 02:01 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 30 June 2014 - 01:58 PM, said:

Ho was Lurking!!!

He came to watch the thread, saw a vote on him, and deactivated stealth mode!

This.

More HO interaction

Shinrei, on 30 June 2014 - 02:04 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 30 June 2014 - 02:00 PM, said:

Stick with me kid




I will help you grow.

Symp signalling his "young" master?

Throwing out potential other symping?

Shinrei, on 30 June 2014 - 02:07 PM, said:

HiddenOne, on 30 June 2014 - 02:06 PM, said:

no, there should be no rep between active players during this game

unless it's to me, and for some witty comment I make

You guys, how can I lurk just a few minutes into the game? I think you're trying to trump up a big case on me before I have a chance to utilize my random excuse generator

How rude!

Already defending himself and exceeding his normal post count by 1000%. I'm happy with my vote.

More HO. Getting a little heavy now.

Shinrei, on 30 June 2014 - 02:38 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 30 June 2014 - 02:33 PM, said:

Has anyone seen this guy either?

Spoiler

(For those who don't know, this is Khell)

Khell isn't even half that awesome.

Half that awesome. Didn't someone comment about being twice something before? Ringing a bell here...

Shinrei, on 30 June 2014 - 03:09 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 30 June 2014 - 03:03 PM, said:

Anyway Tapper, the reason for my fast start is because once 17:30 hits I am going to be away from the thread until 08:30 tomorrow, so at least you will have a "feel" for me.

Deliberately creating a "feel" for yourself is in and of itself kinda scummy.

Minor jibe

Shinrei, on 30 June 2014 - 10:57 PM, said:

Messremb, change that avatar! I didn't realize it was you and not ST until this page. I was all ready to vote for ST because he was acting not like ST at all.

Right now, I'm leaning towards an Inane Babble vote, for the possible signalling, or a Tattersail vote, because we should kill the wifom (town or no) right away. What wifom do you ask? Have you SEEN his last two or three games?

Or HO. Always.

Doesn't want to really vote ST? IB & Tatts mentioned and HO again

Shinrei, on 30 June 2014 - 11:17 PM, said:

Sir Thursday, on 30 June 2014 - 11:02 PM, said:

OK, here's something interesting.

Khellendros shows here that he thinks the setup to be as laid out by Venge in the sign-up thread. That's fair enough, I'm making the same assumption.

Khellendros, on 30 June 2014 - 03:14 PM, said:

Actually, having asked myself this very question, it turns out that I am twice as awesome as that guy. Exactly twice.

For one thing, I have a sensibly short haircut. And just like how being a geek is now cool, sensible short is now awesome.



Also, by the by, Inane and HO are scum, Tatts is the symp. Unless we think Tatts' "stick with me kid" was just too on the nose for a signalling attempt?

But then, he feigns ignorance as to the state of the game:

Khellendros, on 30 June 2014 - 03:22 PM, said:

We've got...four days WCS. Is that right?

Given that he has clearly read the SUT (since he has an opinion that matches how Venge laid out the scum distribution there), he should know that Venge mentioned two unpaired killers each with their own kill, plus a symp. So WCS in that scenario is actually that Day 3 is D-Day (1 lynch + 2NKs per day).

So what's the deal? Is he playing dumb in the second post for some reason?

A case on Khell? What if I refuse to vote for Khell on the grounds that he has never harmed Town's chances of winning in any...

oh what the hell am I saying?

Remove Vote
Vote Khell

Well Khell was town if Shin is symp so clearly no issues with throwing him to the wolves

[Messremb]

Shinrei, on 01 July 2014 - 03:45 AM, said:

HiddenOne, on 01 July 2014 - 01:17 AM, said:

Khell I always ask questions, have you forgotten? You're flailing a bit. And any use of context should reveal that my comment about being out of words was sarcastic, responding to Shin's harassmentjust punishment. I always sign off properly when able

Fixed.

I will have spotty internet until tonight, but I will have real time to catch up on reading well before time out.

Khell, we have plenty of time, I wouldn't be so reticent to start a new train.

Here, I'll start.

Remove Vote
Vote InaneBabble

Because it might be legit signaling.

Third vote of the day, HO, Khell, IB. Getting to be more than I would expect for signalling given he only has 2 masters

Shinrei, on 01 July 2014 - 03:48 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 01 July 2014 - 01:15 AM, said:

I'd quite like to vote Unfound, but I'm loath to start yet another train, especially as I likely won't be around again before day times out. I'd also quite like to vote HO, but then I'd be joining Tatts on the train.

So I'll go with

Remove Vote

Vote Azathmaster

And that would seem to make you partners or something?

Looking for people to frame?

Shinrei, on 01 July 2014 - 08:25 AM, said:

I just did a re-read of the first 2 pages, and it really strikes me that if anyone is signalling both masters, it's Tattersail with Inane and Unfound. I would like to lynch one of them to see if anything is there.

That's all I have time for atm, will re-read the rest later.

Certainly looking for people to frame

Shinrei, on 01 July 2014 - 09:46 AM, said:

Inane Babble, on 01 July 2014 - 09:29 AM, said:

Swap those names with any other three in the thread (especially mess) and your statement would be just as strong imo. Just because tatts jokingly took the new guy under his wing doesn't mean anything other than we were screwing around on Day 1.

You've cut your teeth pretty well in your first few games. IMO you don't get to play the noob card anymore.

Ok, I must admit I missed what the deal is on Azathmaster, so I need to go read up on that. Assuming that's page 3/4 since I didn't get that far before.

Sorry, hadn't read page 3/4? Really?

Shinrei, on 01 July 2014 - 09:52 AM, said:

Um...ok. Other than what Gusty posted on the original vote noting the "speak of the devil" nature of AM popping up...what's got people wanting to vote him? I just did a really fast read up, because I have to hit the road in 5 minutes, but I didn't see any obvious accusations. Did I miss something?

Wanting to be convinced by someone?

Shinrei, on 01 July 2014 - 10:06 AM, said:

Tattersail_, on 01 July 2014 - 09:56 AM, said:

Messremb's post, I even mention it in my reply. The connection to Khell, you are already voting for Khell from what I can remember, so you are on the "alleged" partnership anyway.

@Inane

My two options for team scum is in my long post. Khell/AM and Inane/Unfound. Khell received 3 votes quite quickly, so instead of rushing to the finish line, I have offered an alternative. No one has to take me up on that offer but they are more than welcome to.

I am out the door, and don't have time to find that quote, but I'll look in about 2 hours from now.

I am voting IB at the moment, I switched from Khell.

More Tatts interaction.

Shinrei, on 01 July 2014 - 01:00 PM, said:

Gust Hubb, on 01 July 2014 - 11:31 AM, said:

For me, it was Tatts' use of pictures and seeking out the two pics that were different than all the others (i.e. the animals versus the people). With Mess also highlighting the penguin and wanting to give rep, I realized how glaring the picture connection could be, and assumed that the connection was either based on avatars (Mess and Azathmaster) or at whom the pictures were directed (IB and HO).

So actually, I guess you could say the picture connection puts 4 separate individuals under suspicion. But I was leaning toward avatar based ones, especially with Mess switching his avatar with Sir Thursday's, again bringing animal avatar to our attention. Plus, both Azath and Mess never change those avatars (at least not within the last year), so Mess changing avatars, even jokingly, is a big deal.

All that being said, I would lean toward any of the four mentioned, although Mess and Azath seem more probable to me. But since IB is also connected to a signalling case with me, and has traction, I would like to see at least that air clearing my name.

Reading up now, and I get it. That' is quite eye-narrowingly interesting.

Tagging on other peoples thoughts too.

Shinrei, on 01 July 2014 - 01:01 PM, said:

What the fuck. I thought I had like, 2 more hours.

No lynch of course benefits scum

Shinrei, on 01 July 2014 - 01:07 PM, said:

Ok, that readup screams of bullshit being slung about.

Shin, explain this comment?

[Messremb]

Gust Hubb, on 01 July 2014 - 10:26 PM, said:

I like the stream of consciousness from Mess, but I feel like he is almost teasing us with all the connections he brings up between himself and ST, almost as if he is trying to be painted the symp or subtly teasing us about really being the killer. He is doing a good analysis, but I see more self recrimination than anything. Gonna read that all again.

That would most likely be because I was sat here thinking "WTF was I doing getting so many ties to someone" - as he CF'd scum that looks bad on me. Had he not been NK'd I suspect I'd have been thought of as his symp however, from there I could work.

[Messremb]

Shinrei, on 01 July 2014 - 01:09 PM, said:

Messremb, on 01 July 2014 - 01:06 PM, said:

Which bit in particular?

The fact I changed my avatar for an hour or so? Because you know that using my avatar to signal would be wrong, right?

As for pengiun gifs I have a pile. You want more? As for the game, it lacks a certain subtlety and finesse - think of games in the past where I've coded posts/provided coding options. Does that fit with me using a gif?

I would argue doing it at all was wrong. I probably would have mod-killed you if it were me.

Point taken, thank you

Shinrei, on 01 July 2014 - 01:13 PM, said:

Vengeance, on 01 July 2014 - 12:59 PM, said:

Khell is dead he was a master at the game and his insight shall be missed. But the group has spoken and he is just too good to be allowed to remain in the game.

I think you have Khell mixed up with someone else.

Not too disappointed at a town lynch eh?

Shinrei, on 01 July 2014 - 01:27 PM, said:

And with one scum dead, we can see who may have been signalling ST.

Suggests symp signal hunting

Shinrei, on 01 July 2014 - 01:28 PM, said:

EmperorMagus, on 01 July 2014 - 01:26 PM, said:

I think the only thing more beautiful would be Gnaw as the symp.

That would be good, but not great, as I think he could go down as "least helpful symp ever", since he posted 3 times. Of course, that COULD explain why scum NK'd scum.

But then suggests there may not have been signals. I can take this one two ways - he is a symp indicating he's not been doing much or that he's the killer and his symp should have damn well stepped up and signalled

Shinrei, on 01 July 2014 - 01:29 PM, said:

Actually, that's probably why gnaw was targeted, ST figured he wasn't a symp or the other killer because his interaction was so sparse.

Sorry, WIFOM

Gets thrown at me enough so have some back

Shinrei, on 01 July 2014 - 01:30 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 01 July 2014 - 01:29 PM, said:

It's obviously Messremb.

Vote Messremb

What is obviously Messremb. The symp? Sure. But not the killer, because why signal and then kill him?

Whilst it is a good point, as EoD indicates I was rather rushed and could have had orders in and not changed in time

Shinrei, on 01 July 2014 - 02:15 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 01 July 2014 - 02:09 PM, said:

Yes, well, regarding we did lynch Khell, so far I am the best candidate for ST's partner due to Messremb's posts.

Regarding Messremb, he obviously has signalled ST due to the whole "silence is scummy", vote for ST for being chatty etc, he is a clever player, as no one picked up his signals. He also set up both Azath and Khell by using ST's quotes as a case.

Or you're the symp, and trying to get us to fixate on Messremb as symp. We lynch him, get no info whether symp or RI. We lynch you, get no info whether symp or RI.

Symp hunting is just another wifom filled thread. Stop it.

Sorry, didn't he suggest it earlier?

So, interaction primarily HO and Tatts with some votes spread around. I don't peg Shin as a symp really. Given how I thought the potential for signalling to Shin, I'm going to go out and say I think Shin is the other killer.

Vote Shinrei

[Gust Hubb]

Ok, so what is bothering me Mess is seeing all this intentionality in your interactions with ST, but not really acting on it until now when it is too late for ST anyhow. The trouble is, all those quotes to me quite clearly emphasize that ST recognized your signal and playfully let u know he was on the same line of thought. The vote upgrade is merely a weak attempt at covering up the exchange.

So, given your directness, now I wonder if it is a race to obfuscate your other signalling (ST was already pleading for a more clear sign, but at least he didn't hit his pardner) since the other killer was unable to pick up on his own message.

That is my next goal, to see what parts of the story you've left out.

[Messremb]

Messremb, on 01 July 2014 - 10:38 PM, said:

Gust Hubb, on 01 July 2014 - 10:26 PM, said:

I like the stream of consciousness from Mess, but I feel like he is almost teasing us with all the connections he brings up between himself and ST, almost as if he is trying to be painted the symp or subtly teasing us about really being the killer. He is doing a good analysis, but I see more self recrimination than anything. Gonna read that all again.

That would most likely be because I was sat here thinking "WTF was I doing getting so many ties to someone" - as he CF'd scum that looks bad on me. Had he not been NK'd I suspect I'd have been thought of as his symp however, from there I could work.

Thought of as symp by Sir T I hasten to add

[Messremb]

Gust Hubb, on 01 July 2014 - 10:41 PM, said:

Ok, so what is bothering me Mess is seeing all this intentionality in your interactions with ST, but not really acting on it until now when it is too late for ST anyhow. The trouble is, all those quotes to me quite clearly emphasize that ST recognized your signal and playfully let u know he was on the same line of thought. The vote upgrade is merely a weak attempt at covering up the exchange.

So, given your directness, now I wonder if it is a race to obfuscate your other signalling (ST was already pleading for a more clear sign, but at least he didn't hit his pardner) since the other killer was unable to pick up on his own message.

That is my next goal, to see what parts of the story you've left out.

Good, at least someone else is going to work. So who else did I signal? Was I going to save that to Day 2? I don't doubt there's stuff that can be interpreted as signalling when looking through my posts.

The parts I've left out: Spoiler alert! : A few boring posts with no real content