[Sukul Ankhadu]

He's dead. Its meat and potatoes. It wasn't a lynch.

[Sukul Ankhadu]

Follow up post leaves me even happier with my vote.

[Kaschan]

Kaschan, on 19 June 2014 - 11:59 AM, said:

Where exactly are you getting that Pallid was town Amp?

Sorry brain isnt fully working this morning. Disreguard this statement

[Kaschan]

Sukul Ankhadu, on 19 June 2014 - 12:08 PM, said:

He's dead. Its meat and potatoes. It wasn't a lynch.

Yeah I got that, Tylenol PM's FTW

[Liosan]

Kaschan, on 19 June 2014 - 11:47 AM, said:

Ok so Pallid flipped town, which I figured anyway. What do some of the people who werent around late day think about the GL train that got going finally?

Speaking of the GL train:

Vote Galayn Lord

[Barghast]

Liosan, on 19 June 2014 - 12:17 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 19 June 2014 - 11:47 AM, said:

Ok so Pallid flipped town, which I figured anyway. What do some of the people who werent around late day think about the GL train that got going finally?

Speaking of the GL train:

Vote Galayn Lord

[Kaschan]

Ok so the sum total for Sukul posts is a whopping 5 posts before he swoops in and drops a vote on me with no logic behind it whatsoever. None of these posts carry any content, which is why I wont even bother quoting them here. This combined with the wonderful scum tactic of "Oh Im reading up" only never to return, screams scum to me.


Vote Sukul Ankhadu

[Liosan]

So barghy, Sukul, and Eloth if you're still there, what are your thoughts on how the end of day one went down, and on the GL train?

[Barghast]

Liosan, on 19 June 2014 - 12:48 PM, said:

So barghy, Sukul, and Eloth if you're still there, what are your thoughts on how the end of day one went down, and on the GL train?

I want to know the case on GL, it seemed like a rush attempt to get a lynch. I have to read it again but it didn't peek my interest on my read up.

[Barghast]

Kaschan, on 19 June 2014 - 12:48 PM, said:

Ok so the sum total for Sukul posts is a whopping 5 posts before he swoops in and drops a vote on me with no logic behind it whatsoever. None of these posts carry any content, which is why I wont even bother quoting them here. This combined with the wonderful scum tactic of "Oh Im reading up" only never to return, screams scum to me.

Vote Sukul Ankhadu

Omgus vote. It does not put you in a good light Kaschan and is a bit self centered.

Spoiler

[Liosan]

This is where Pallid states my case more eloquently than I did.

Pallid, on 19 June 2014 - 01:32 AM, said:

OK, I've had a look back on GL at Liosan's suggestion. As he pointed out, the key thing on GL is the distancing angle. Denul attempted to link Liosan and GL together, and GL immediately put down a vote on Liosan in response as if to refute the accusation. Here's the key section:

Denul, on 18 June 2014 - 03:23 PM, said:

Liosan, on 18 June 2014 - 03:18 PM, said:

I was thinking the random vote on HP was showing that you didn't care who you voted for (scummy imo) but with the remove vote due to HP appearing it seems like you were just jumping the gun on trying to get people to appear and post when there wasn't anything happening on thread. So you lose suspiciousness to me

This seems like a post trying to say that GL is town like to me. This makes me want to pay more attention to both you and GL.

Galayn Lord, on 18 June 2014 - 03:37 PM, said:

Agreed, I dislike that post immeasurably. The style of judging an alt on single posts rubs me up the wrong way.

Vote Liosan

It's a real stretch of a reason, as far as I can tell. The fact that he has made an attempt to disguise that he is trying to sever Denul's hypothesized connection makes it worse - I would have been less put out if he'd just gone for a "I'll show you!" style post.

I feel like this is better evidence than what I had against Barghast, so I think I'll switch to support Liosan's cause:

Remove Vote
Vote Galayn Lord


ETF: lack of Remove Vote

[Galayn Lord]

Liosan, on 18 June 2014 - 03:46 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 18 June 2014 - 03:37 PM, said:

Denul, on 18 June 2014 - 03:23 PM, said:

Liosan, on 18 June 2014 - 03:18 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 18 June 2014 - 03:12 PM, said:

Pallid, on 18 June 2014 - 02:42 PM, said:

Well, since that case of Denul's basically refutes my reason for voting for him, I shall:

Remove Vote

I can see he's thinking along similar lines to my reasoning above in his case. But actually, the player who stood out a bit more to me was Barghast, particularly with this post:

Barghast, on 18 June 2014 - 01:34 PM, said:

I'm not very good at small talk. However, this did make me laugh..

Which happened a full two hours after this post from Shinrei:

Shinrei, on 18 June 2014 - 11:42 AM, said:

It is day 1, 15 hours and 10 minutes are left.

12 players are alive.

Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Liosan, Nimander Golit, Pallid, Sukul Ankhadu

1 vote Sukul Ankhadu: Pallid
1 vote Hood's Path: Galayn Lord

Players not voting: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Liosan, Nimander Golit, Sukul Ankhadu

Note the underlined. We are short on time, and Barghast is cracking jokes with no indication that he's willing to engage his brain (even on the meagre evidence that had been presented up to that point).

Noting the underlined, does that post by Barghast stink of signalling or is it just me that thinks so?

HP, good of you to join us.

Remove Vote

On my phone so no complicated shit from me today.

I was thinking the random vote on HP was showing that you didn't care who you voted for (scummy imo) but with the remove vote due to HP appearing it seems like you were just jumping the gun on trying to get people to appear and post when there wasn't anything happening on thread. So you lose suspiciousness to me

This seems like a post trying to say that GL is town like to me. This makes me want to pay more attention to both you and GL.

Agreed, I dislike that post immeasurably. The style of judging an alt on single posts rubs me up the wrong way.

Vote Liosan

Well this is interesting. I was judging you based on your actions the entire game: jokes, voting HP, removing, and now jumping on to denuls suspicions of me the moment you get brought up as connected to me. Seems like some jumpy, scared distancing. And now you're much more suspicious to me.

I wont OMGUS vote you, but know you're suspicious in my eyes

So let me get the end of day straight. I was distancing from Liosan so Liosan votes for me and does so again today? Because that makes it any less a case of him distancing from me?

[Galayn Lord]

Oh, no there was some other aspect to it other than I'm an outside chance of a lynch rather than the two who have more votes already.

[Galayn Lord]

Liosan, on 19 June 2014 - 12:52 PM, said:

This is where Pallid states my case more eloquently than I did.

Pallid, on 19 June 2014 - 01:32 AM, said:

OK, I've had a look back on GL at Liosan's suggestion. As he pointed out, the key thing on GL is the distancing angle. Denul attempted to link Liosan and GL together, and GL immediately put down a vote on Liosan in response as if to refute the accusation. Here's the key section:

Denul, on 18 June 2014 - 03:23 PM, said:

Liosan, on 18 June 2014 - 03:18 PM, said:

I was thinking the random vote on HP was showing that you didn't care who you voted for (scummy imo) but with the remove vote due to HP appearing it seems like you were just jumping the gun on trying to get people to appear and post when there wasn't anything happening on thread. So you lose suspiciousness to me

This seems like a post trying to say that GL is town like to me. This makes me want to pay more attention to both you and GL.

Galayn Lord, on 18 June 2014 - 03:37 PM, said:

Agreed, I dislike that post immeasurably. The style of judging an alt on single posts rubs me up the wrong way.

Vote Liosan

It's a real stretch of a reason, as far as I can tell. The fact that he has made an attempt to disguise that he is trying to sever Denul's hypothesized connection makes it worse - I would have been less put out if he'd just gone for a "I'll show you!" style post.

I feel like this is better evidence than what I had against Barghast, so I think I'll switch to support Liosan's cause:

Remove Vote
Vote Galayn Lord


ETF: lack of Remove Vote

This is the best of it I think I'm right in assuming?

Trying to sever Denuls hypothesized connection by voting for one of the two he suspects of having a connection, the one of the two that isn't me? Sheesh. Day 1 I know but that's a bit slim.

[Galayn Lord]

Did I miss anything?

[Kaschan]

Barghast, on 19 June 2014 - 12:51 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 19 June 2014 - 12:48 PM, said:

Ok so the sum total for Sukul posts is a whopping 5 posts before he swoops in and drops a vote on me with no logic behind it whatsoever. None of these posts carry any content, which is why I wont even bother quoting them here. This combined with the wonderful scum tactic of "Oh Im reading up" only never to return, screams scum to me.

Vote Sukul Ankhadu

Omgus vote. It does not put you in a good light Kaschan and is a bit self centered.

Spoiler

You could call it an OMGUS vote or you could look back a couple pages where I had already stated that I thought Sukul was scum. His vote simply gave more credence to my case. Plus it seems we really need to get the ball rolling earlier on in order to get a lynch.

[Shinrei]

It is day 2, 26 hours and 50 minutes are left.

11 players are alive.

Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Liosan, Nimander Golit, Sukul Ankhadu

1 vote Kaschan: Sukul Ankhadu
1 vote Galayn Lord: Liosan
1 vote Sukul Ankhadu: Kaschan

Players not voting: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Nimander Golit

[Barghast]

It's not great when the posts are like this. My interpretation is that Liosan and GL got into a pissing match.

Liosan, on 18 June 2014 - 05:02 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 18 June 2014 - 04:53 PM, said:

Liosan, on 18 June 2014 - 04:46 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 18 June 2014 - 04:09 PM, said:

Liosan, on 18 June 2014 - 03:46 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 18 June 2014 - 03:37 PM, said:

Denul, on 18 June 2014 - 03:23 PM, said:

Liosan, on 18 June 2014 - 03:18 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 18 June 2014 - 03:12 PM, said:

Pallid, on 18 June 2014 - 02:42 PM, said:

Well, since that case of Denul's basically refutes my reason for voting for him, I shall:

Remove Vote

I can see he's thinking along similar lines to my reasoning above in his case. But actually, the player who stood out a bit more to me was Barghast, particularly with this post:

Barghast, on 18 June 2014 - 01:34 PM, said:

I'm not very good at small talk. However, this did make me laugh..

Which happened a full two hours after this post from Shinrei:

Shinrei, on 18 June 2014 - 11:42 AM, said:

It is day 1, 15 hours and 10 minutes are left.

12 players are alive.

Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Liosan, Nimander Golit, Pallid, Sukul Ankhadu

1 vote Sukul Ankhadu: Pallid
1 vote Hood's Path: Galayn Lord

Players not voting: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Liosan, Nimander Golit, Sukul Ankhadu

Note the underlined. We are short on time, and Barghast is cracking jokes with no indication that he's willing to engage his brain (even on the meagre evidence that had been presented up to that point).

Noting the underlined, does that post by Barghast stink of signalling or is it just me that thinks so?

HP, good of you to join us.

Remove Vote

On my phone so no complicated shit from me today.

I was thinking the random vote on HP was showing that you didn't care who you voted for (scummy imo) but with the remove vote due to HP appearing it seems like you were just jumping the gun on trying to get people to appear and post when there wasn't anything happening on thread. So you lose suspiciousness to me

This seems like a post trying to say that GL is town like to me. This makes me want to pay more attention to both you and GL.

Agreed, I dislike that post immeasurably. The style of judging an alt on single posts rubs me up the wrong way.

Vote Liosan

Well this is interesting. I was judging you based on your actions the entire game: jokes, voting HP, removing, and now jumping on to denuls suspicions of me the moment you get brought up as connected to me. Seems like some jumpy, scared distancing. And now you're much more suspicious to me.

I wont OMGUS vote you, but know you're suspicious in my eyes

Oh wow, I'm suspicious again now. Consistent aren't you.

My vote is entirely independent of Denul - I based it soley off your single post that was quoted above.

You acted, I used the information it gave to draw conclusions. Its the way Mafia works, and just because those conclusions changed doesnt mean anything.

Also, what happened to not judging an alt based on one post?

I'm more surprised I've not been called out for voting you based soley on posting style, not content. Got something to hide or did you miss that?

I assumed the style influenced your gut feel on me, which on day one isnt a particularly unusual or bad thing, and i use gut all the time so i have no problem with a gut vote in general. But the circumstances around the vote were what i found suspicious.

Basically the reason Liosan initiates the voting on GL.

Galayn Lord, on 18 June 2014 - 05:02 PM, said:

Denul, on 18 June 2014 - 04:57 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 18 June 2014 - 04:45 PM, said:

Denul, on 18 June 2014 - 04:40 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 18 June 2014 - 04:31 PM, said:

I think GL is right. The whole symp argument is a bucket of WIFOM anyway, so I suggest we just move on from the discussion, and look for killers. We wouldn't know if we hit a symp anyway, so there's no point in trying to find one, and it wouldn't be important until potential D-Day anyway.

Nimander Golit, on 18 June 2014 - 04:33 PM, said:

Denul, on 18 June 2014 - 04:30 PM, said:

So your thinking one killer or paired killers. Paired killer who can talk or only paired killers who know each other. If they know each other but can't talk then they would each have a kill. If they don't know each other then the possibility that the game can end on night one. Which would be fucking funny. If they know each other and can talk then that is a huge scum advantage. Which would have to be balanced out by town having at least a paired guard roles. Since I don't see any of that in the sign up either. Durrr I am going to say that the easiest game would be to have a single killer with a symp. Thus no need for even basic town roles.

There are 12 players - if there are paired killers, then that's 10 town vs. 2 scum. Why would that be unbalanced? That's a 5:1 ratio in town's favour, which is better than town usually gets.

Pick what you want to do. Do you want to continue to throw down over this or do you want to move on. I am fine doing either one.

I'm fine with moving on, our arguing about this won't change anything nor does it help us in any real way. I think it's best to assume that there are AT LEAST 2 killers, be they paired or not. Any less makes no sense.

We will be able to find that out tonight. If there are two deaths then separate killers. If there is only one then not.

Or alternating kills. Sheesh we'll not know the exact setup till we're in SH. I have no real desire to discuss every possible permutation on thread but can if you really want to.

Just keep an open mind.

GL mentions something I had not even considered, which is a little suspect. Is alternating kills a thing in M and P? Regardless of the answer it still is still a little suspect,

Kaschan, on 18 June 2014 - 05:25 PM, said:

Ok so other than Barghast saying "These are not the droids you are looking for". There has been nothing else from him. So far I dont like him.

Vote Barghast

[Barghast]

Kaschan, on 19 June 2014 - 12:59 PM, said:

Barghast, on 19 June 2014 - 12:51 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 19 June 2014 - 12:48 PM, said:

Ok so the sum total for Sukul posts is a whopping 5 posts before he swoops in and drops a vote on me with no logic behind it whatsoever. None of these posts carry any content, which is why I wont even bother quoting them here. This combined with the wonderful scum tactic of "Oh Im reading up" only never to return, screams scum to me.

Vote Sukul Ankhadu

Omgus vote. It does not put you in a good light Kaschan and is a bit self centered.

Spoiler

You could call it an OMGUS vote or you could look back a couple pages where I had already stated that I thought Sukul was scum. His vote simply gave more credence to my case. Plus it seems we really need to get the ball rolling earlier on in order to get a lynch.

Bring up your "case"

Spoiler

[Kaschan]

Barghast, on 19 June 2014 - 01:03 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 19 June 2014 - 12:59 PM, said:

Barghast, on 19 June 2014 - 12:51 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 19 June 2014 - 12:48 PM, said:

Ok so the sum total for Sukul posts is a whopping 5 posts before he swoops in and drops a vote on me with no logic behind it whatsoever. None of these posts carry any content, which is why I wont even bother quoting them here. This combined with the wonderful scum tactic of "Oh Im reading up" only never to return, screams scum to me.

Vote Sukul Ankhadu

Omgus vote. It does not put you in a good light Kaschan and is a bit self centered.

Spoiler

You could call it an OMGUS vote or you could look back a couple pages where I had already stated that I thought Sukul was scum. His vote simply gave more credence to my case. Plus it seems we really need to get the ball rolling earlier on in order to get a lynch.

Bring up your "case"

Spoiler

Currently my case is about 3 sentences which contain more content than all of Sukul's posts put together. I would make it longer but you have to work with what your given.