[Shinrei]

It is day 1, Day has timed out without a lynch.

12 players are alive.

Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Liosan, Nimander Golit, Pallid, Sukul Ankhadu


1 vote Eloth: Denul
2 votes Pallid: Nimander Golit, Ampelas
1 vote Liosan: Galayn Lord
1 vote Ampelas: Atrahal
4 votes Galayn Lord: Liosan, Pallid, Kaschan, Hood's Path


Players not voting: Barghast, Eloth, Sukul Ankhad

The crow cocked his head and cackled, "Rodeo, Rodeo, wherefore art thou Rodeo?"

When he received no reply, with a wet smacking sound the crow took of from it's perch and wheeled high into the are. When it had reached the height of the Empire State building, it dropped the penny it held in it's beak.

The penny wavered and whistled as it plummeted story after story, until with a sickening "plop", it burst through the biggest, juiciest head it could find.

Pallid has a hole in his head. Sir Thursday! Sir Thursday is dead!

This post has been edited by Shinrei: 19 June 2014 - 01:47 PM

[Shinrei]

It is day 2, 36 hours are left.

11 players are alive.

Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Liosan, Nimander Golit, Sukul Ankhadu

[Ampelas]

Pallid, on 18 June 2014 - 11:10 PM, said:

Can't argue with Ampelas' case on me too much - the timing on that thing with Denul was pretty ridiculous, not much I can do about it though. And I have been trying to interact with people to get a feel for their reactions so I guess there are inferences to be made based on my play. But I did think his reaction to getting a vote on him seemed a bit strong:

Ampelas, on 18 June 2014 - 10:14 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 18 June 2014 - 09:46 PM, said:

Vote Ampelas


Either they, Galayn Lord, or Nimander Golit - or some combination thereof - are scum. I say this because they've all been middling, with GL and Will-Never-Be-Anomander only really spouting off when they've been called into question, before then subsiding again. I chose Ampelas though because he's been even less of a non-entity than that.


Ironic coming from the guy with 3 posts? Maybe. Doesn't make it less valid though.

Not ironic, hypocritical.

It's day 1 and I laid out my case for voting Pallid, when we start seeing CFs we can do more than joke about with each other. Until then you can fuck right off.

Telling someone to fuck off for voting for them just seems a bit over the top. It was almost as if the whole point of his case on me was to put something out that made it seem like he wasn't middle of the road, and then when he was accused of being that anyway it got under his skin.

Reading up and posting as I go.

This post annoyed me because I was a accused of being a non-entity by someone who has BEEN a non-entity.

[Ampelas]

Shinrei, on 19 June 2014 - 03:51 AM, said:

It is day 1, Day has timed out without a lynch.

12 players are alive.

Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Liosan, Nimander Golit, Pallid, Sukul Ankhadu


1 vote Eloth: Denul
2 votes Pallid: Nimander Golit, Ampelas
1 vote Liosan: Galayn Lord
1 vote Ampelas: Atrahal
4 votes Galayn Lord: Liosan, Pallid, Kaschan, Hood's Path


Players not voting: Barghast, Eloth, Sukul Ankhad

The crow cocked his head and cackled, "Rodeo, Rodeo, wherefore art thou Rodeo?"

When he received no reply, with a wet smacking sound the crow took of from it's perch and wheeled high into the are. When it had reached the height of the Empire State building, it dropped the penny it held in it's beak.

The penny wavered and whistled as it plummeted story after story, until with a sickening "plop", it burst through the biggest, juiciest head it could find.

Pallid has a hole in his head.

Well shit.

[Barghast]

Day one complete. Hidden away from the threat, day two I hope to be more active.

https://31.media.tum...7Hhz1rgf79x.gif


I need to have a read of day one, it just passed me by.

[Barghast]

Knowing day timed out at a ridiculous time, you mean to tell me, the first thing you did when coming back into the game, is not look to see if we got a lynch and what happened at night, but to post this?

Ampelas, on 19 June 2014 - 06:04 AM, said:

Pallid, on 18 June 2014 - 11:10 PM, said:

Can't argue with Ampelas' case on me too much - the timing on that thing with Denul was pretty ridiculous, not much I can do about it though. And I have been trying to interact with people to get a feel for their reactions so I guess there are inferences to be made based on my play. But I did think his reaction to getting a vote on him seemed a bit strong:

Ampelas, on 18 June 2014 - 10:14 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 18 June 2014 - 09:46 PM, said:

Vote Ampelas


Either they, Galayn Lord, or Nimander Golit - or some combination thereof - are scum. I say this because they've all been middling, with GL and Will-Never-Be-Anomander only really spouting off when they've been called into question, before then subsiding again. I chose Ampelas though because he's been even less of a non-entity than that.


Ironic coming from the guy with 3 posts? Maybe. Doesn't make it less valid though.

Not ironic, hypocritical.

It's day 1 and I laid out my case for voting Pallid, when we start seeing CFs we can do more than joke about with each other. Until then you can fuck right off.

Telling someone to fuck off for voting for them just seems a bit over the top. It was almost as if the whole point of his case on me was to put something out that made it seem like he wasn't middle of the road, and then when he was accused of being that anyway it got under his skin.

Reading up and posting as I go.

This post annoyed me because I was a accused of being a non-entity by someone who has BEEN a non-entity.

and then quote Pallid's death, with alarm, like it affected what direction you were about to go in?

[Eloth]

OK. Not much time today so here's my summary. Let's start with me.

The Ximenyr reference is to a guy who had his body modified to accomodate 50 penises all over it, which suited the pervy discussion, especially since someone stated in a part joke that the prudes who didn't take part in the Hello Kitty perviness should be lynched. It was a play on the active discussion.

Two, the symp speculation may or may not be true (m,ost likely not, as Shin stated this is TMDI 1), but the arguments for/against are utter bullshit (looking at Denul here, trying to sell 2 killers talking to each other as 'a game tilting advantage' towards scum). Golden rule on these forums was always 1 scum per 3 town, regardless of scum role.

TMDI 1, furthermore, which is also known as M&P, is stated by JA (way before most of us started playing), in the TMDI list, which is as far as I am aware, a Malazan only index.
I'd say that what goes as M&P here, is what is M&P on these boards regardless of what other boards do or say, regardless of who is right mechanically.

This whole set-up discussion came at a very unfortunate time, around the time where people ought to vote and decisions ought to be made. Furthermore, it encouraged to vote the suspected and probably non-existing symp and didn't include looking for the master.

Based on the numbers, I'd say WCS is 3 killers, which, with 2 townies a day dropping through lynches and kills, would have meant d-day day 3 (now day 4 due to the missed lynch). A 2 killer game makes it d-day on day 4 (now day 5, again due to the missed lynch).

[Eloth]

Barghast, on 19 June 2014 - 07:23 AM, said:

Knowing day timed out at a ridiculous time, you mean to tell me, the first thing you did when coming back into the game, is not look to see if we got a lynch and what happened at night, but to post this?

Ampelas, on 19 June 2014 - 06:04 AM, said:

Pallid, on 18 June 2014 - 11:10 PM, said:

Can't argue with Ampelas' case on me too much - the timing on that thing with Denul was pretty ridiculous, not much I can do about it though. And I have been trying to interact with people to get a feel for their reactions so I guess there are inferences to be made based on my play. But I did think his reaction to getting a vote on him seemed a bit strong:

Ampelas, on 18 June 2014 - 10:14 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 18 June 2014 - 09:46 PM, said:

Vote Ampelas


Either they, Galayn Lord, or Nimander Golit - or some combination thereof - are scum. I say this because they've all been middling, with GL and Will-Never-Be-Anomander only really spouting off when they've been called into question, before then subsiding again. I chose Ampelas though because he's been even less of a non-entity than that.


Ironic coming from the guy with 3 posts? Maybe. Doesn't make it less valid though.

Not ironic, hypocritical.

It's day 1 and I laid out my case for voting Pallid, when we start seeing CFs we can do more than joke about with each other. Until then you can fuck right off.

Telling someone to fuck off for voting for them just seems a bit over the top. It was almost as if the whole point of his case on me was to put something out that made it seem like he wasn't middle of the road, and then when he was accused of being that anyway it got under his skin.

Reading up and posting as I go.

This post annoyed me because I was a accused of being a non-entity by someone who has BEEN a non-entity.

and then quote Pallid's death, with alarm, like it affected what direction you were about to go in?

To be fair, the forum moves you to the last post you saw. So doing a DKT is more or less engrained in the system.

[Barghast]

Great now Ampelas does not have to explain himself.

[Barghast]

Eloth, on 19 June 2014 - 07:29 AM, said:

OK. Not much time today so here's my summary. Let's start with me.

The Ximenyr reference is to a guy who had his body modified to accomodate 50 penises all over it, which suited the pervy discussion, especially since someone stated in a part joke that the prudes who didn't take part in the Hello Kitty perviness should be lynched. It was a play on the active discussion.

Two, the symp speculation may or may not be true (m,ost likely not, as Shin stated this is TMDI 1), but the arguments for/against are utter bullshit (looking at Denul here, trying to sell 2 killers talking to each other as 'a game tilting advantage' towards scum). Golden rule on these forums was always 1 scum per 3 town, regardless of scum role.

TMDI 1, furthermore, which is also known as M&P, is stated by JA (way before most of us started playing), in the TMDI list, which is as far as I am aware, a Malazan only index.
I'd say that what goes as M&P here, is what is M&P on these boards regardless of what other boards do or say, regardless of who is right mechanically.

This whole set-up discussion came at a very unfortunate time, around the time where people ought to vote and decisions ought to be made. Furthermore, it encouraged to vote the suspected and probably non-existing symp and didn't include looking for the master.

Based on the numbers, I'd say WCS is 3 killers, which, with 2 townies a day dropping through lynches and kills, would have meant d-day day 3 (now day 4 due to the missed lynch). A 2 killer game makes it d-day on day 4 (now day 5, again due to the missed lynch).

This makes sense, I am assuming 3 scum myself, I just did not agree that this game will be a game of signalling, if there is signalling out there, I do not think we would be able to spot it.

Spoiler

This post has been edited by Barghast: 19 June 2014 - 07:47 AM

[Barghast]

I edited in the spoiler for the Gif, I am glad I finally worked out how to embed the gif, I was using the media link rather than the image one.

Hi five!!

Spoiler

[Eloth]

Barghast, on 19 June 2014 - 07:43 AM, said:

Great now Ampelas does not have to explain himself.

He'd have given you the same answer, probably. The one about the death is also rather meh. If he's scum, why would he post that on thread instead of in a PM to SHn or his scum partners? If he's town, it's a red herring. In either case, he can easily state he wanted to gun for Pallid today. It might even be true.


Maybe I am getting soft but I don't think stuff like this is really worth investigating (zomg I am protecting him, must be a symp!). Here's my reasoning.

Killer scum, especially the ones who can communicate (95% of the games), tend to keep their emotions under tight control on thread because they don't want to slip. Emotions and outcries are kept to PMs.

RIs don't really have that restriction and tend to use thread for such stuff, every now and then. So either we have an RI here expressing a genuine WTF? or we have a scum tending to pose as a townie. It's basically a bit of wifom territory and it only becomes worthwhile as a support in a case if there's more dirt sticking to the guy.

[Barghast]

Eloth, on 19 June 2014 - 07:57 AM, said:

Barghast, on 19 June 2014 - 07:43 AM, said:

Great now Ampelas does not have to explain himself.

He'd have given you the same answer, probably. The one about the death is also rather meh. If he's scum, why would he post that on thread instead of in a PM to SHn or his scum partners? If he's town, it's a red herring. In either case, he can easily state he wanted to gun for Pallid today. It might even be true.


Maybe I am getting soft but I don't think stuff like this is really worth investigating (zomg I am protecting him, must be a symp!). Here's my reasoning.

Killer scum, especially the ones who can communicate (95% of the games), tend to keep their emotions under tight control on thread because they don't want to slip. Emotions and outcries are kept to PMs.

RIs don't really have that restriction and tend to use thread for such stuff, every now and then. So either we have an RI here expressing a genuine WTF? or we have a scum tending to pose as a townie. It's basically a bit of wifom territory and it only becomes worthwhile as a support in a case if there's more dirt sticking to the guy.

but now the evidence on thread is muddied. Without you commenting on my post to him, then he has to use original thought. Now he can piggyback off of your answer. I was conducting my own investigation wanting to hear the answer to my question from the suspect at hand. I applaud your level of involvement but not the execution, there are multiple other thread topics and arguments that you could have addressed but you decided to step in on mine.

Now it is sort of pointless.

Hi five!

Spoiler

[Eloth]

Barghast, on 19 June 2014 - 08:05 AM, said:

Eloth, on 19 June 2014 - 07:57 AM, said:

Barghast, on 19 June 2014 - 07:43 AM, said:

Great now Ampelas does not have to explain himself.

He'd have given you the same answer, probably. The one about the death is also rather meh. If he's scum, why would he post that on thread instead of in a PM to SHn or his scum partners? If he's town, it's a red herring. In either case, he can easily state he wanted to gun for Pallid today. It might even be true.


Maybe I am getting soft but I don't think stuff like this is really worth investigating (zomg I am protecting him, must be a symp!). Here's my reasoning.

Killer scum, especially the ones who can communicate (95% of the games), tend to keep their emotions under tight control on thread because they don't want to slip. Emotions and outcries are kept to PMs.

RIs don't really have that restriction and tend to use thread for such stuff, every now and then. So either we have an RI here expressing a genuine WTF? or we have a scum tending to pose as a townie. It's basically a bit of wifom territory and it only becomes worthwhile as a support in a case if there's more dirt sticking to the guy.

but now the evidence on thread is muddied. Without you commenting on my post to him, then he has to use original thought. Now he can piggyback off of your answer. I was conducting my own investigation wanting to hear the answer to my question from the suspect at hand. I applaud your level of involvement but not the execution, there are multiple other thread topics and arguments that you could have addressed but you decided to step in on mine.

Now it is sort of pointless.

Hi five!

Spoiler

Not entirely. The fact remains he only posted those two things out of everything there to comment to, which are both safe-ish things.

[Ampelas]

I'll add something original here for you Barghast, I voted pallid yesterday because he was scummiest player to me, then he immediately turned up town, made me feel disappointed that we didn't get lucky and find an early scum, and also makes me feel like an idiot.

[Kaschan]

Ok so Pallid flipped town, which I figured anyway. What do some of the people who werent around late day think about the GL train that got going finally?

[Kaschan]

Oops, I read through that too quickly, no CF

[Sukul Ankhadu]

vote Kaschan

why?
that post right above me, so nonchalant"oh I could have told he was going to flip town"
oh fuck off

[Kaschan]

Sukul Ankhadu, on 19 June 2014 - 11:53 AM, said:

vote Kaschan

why?
that post right above me, so nonchalant"oh I could have told he was going to flip town"
oh fuck off

Or it could be because I stated that I thought Pallid was town on the last page. The same time at which I stated that I figured you for scum

[Kaschan]

Where exactly are you getting that Pallid was town Amp?