[Ampelas]

Of course, but I think people have already seen that possibility...

[Path-Shaper]

It is now Day 4. There are 20 hours 49 minutes remaining.

7 players are alive: Ampelas, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kaschan, Pallid

4 votes to lynch, 3 votes to go to night.

2 votes Kaschan: Galayn Lord, Eloth
1 vote Galayn Lord: Kaschan

Players not voted: Ampelas, Barghast, Denul, Pallid

[Path-Shaper]

Weekend freeze (as far as modkills go) will start at around 8:30pm EST, but I'll let the Timer on Day 3 run out and resolve Day and Night over the weekend so that we start Day 4 on Monday.

[Kaschan]

Ampelas, on 30 May 2014 - 01:29 PM, said:

Of course, but I think people have already seen that possibility...

You would think that people would have seen that I voted too. But alas that didn't happen.

[Denul]

That's not good. Kaschan you reading that? That means if we decide to lynch it will have to be by end of play today because I know I am busy over the weekend.

My main candidate for scum is Amp.

Amp who is yours again?

Pallid is on the fence and go a few different ways but thinks Amp for now.

Gl is Kaschan?

Kaschan is GL

Eloth is Kaschan

Barghast? I have no idea who his main scum read is.

Denul is Amp.

Kaschan, I am opposite to you on the Eloth/GL reveal and I do have you potential Amp partner.

Thing with you Kaschan, you are not the lead scum out of a scum pair but you fit the bill for out of site killer.

[Denul]

Kaschan, on 30 May 2014 - 12:48 PM, said:

Denul, on 30 May 2014 - 08:29 AM, said:

Pallid I am listening.

I don't like the early votes with it being D day.

I can see merit in voting Kaschan as he has skated towards the end of game, he has not been on any trains. His weird play at end of day yesterday is strange. He voted someone that was not going to get lynched. He's a clever player, and I don't see what his game plan has been.

Rather than just point at one player we have got to be looking at a team now. I voted Amp for the majority of yesterday and he got little to no heat off anyone. I haven't properly read up on the end of day yesterday, I am going to do that first.

I find it hard to place my trust in any one player.

Eloth reveals healer.
Galayn Lord reveals BP.

I want to believe Eloth but he has been given me a scum vibe all game, I think symp, I think his CF will show up town. Yet, it is pure wifom. He could be killer, revealing to save his arse. He is still alive. I don't know why.

He is trying to clear Amp, as we lynch Eloth (which was entirely possible) and he CF's town then we got to believe Amp is town. (Although there is nothing to say Eloth healed scum)

On the flip side, if Eloth is scum and he is fingering Amp as town, then it is entirely possible that another leader of the thread could be scum ie GL. I don't see how Eloth can have both GL and Amp in the town section.

If I was the healer, then I would be calling the BP bullshit and having GL as potential scum.


What makes Eloth believe GL is town?


Now Barghast is interesting. He has received a lot of heat throughout the whole game. He was almost lynched the day Eloth revealed.

Both Nimander and Atrahal have CF'd as RI, which means that they weren't purposefully avoiding the Barghast lynch. Kaschan didn't vote and used RL excuse against this. So I believe he couldn't have voted.


All the above is going from memory.




Internet has been down most of the morning. So I thought I'd get these thoughts in asap.


Pallid, keep thinking things through, because oddly enough, you are the only alt I trust.

I think Kaschan is being friendly with me, and I don't know if that is to get me on his good side. His play has not been pro town. I think he needs a re read for sure.

Amp's last couple of days has been pushing me to think he is scum, he has been more erratic as the game has got further along, look at his "alone posts" for examples of this.

Pallid has been a solid player, I have no reason to believe he is scum, I don't see it. If someone else does I would like to hear their thoughts.

When I voted for Barghast there only 2 votes on Nimander. Barghast could have and in my mind should have been lynched. Why because a Barghast lynch based on the no lynch from the other day made much more sense. Barghast was the one who the train built on Nimander was the one who left and didn't vote. So at best Nimander was a symp. That should isn't hard. The rest of you fuck head were himming and hawing all day long on this that or the other. I said voted we have 3 hours left. Nobody voted. I said Vote we have 1.5 hours left. Nobody voted. I said that I would vote for any of

Eloth
GL
Barghast (I was voting)
Nimander

I said I was fucking leaving.

NOBODY FUCKING VOTED.

Then you fucktards come on and say that I voted for someone who wasn't going to be lynched. When every single person who was on the board at the time that I was on said that they would vote for any of the above. BULLSHIT. That lynch easily could have gone on Barghast. I have given you a lot of ley way because I thought that you were bringing decent pressure on people and forcing people to play and put there thoughts on the thread. But you are starting to talk total bullshit now.

This was my thoughts before the read up. I can see why you voted for Barghast, and I could see you trying to get a vote before you left. I am not disputing that at this conjuncture.

[Kaschan]

Denul, on 30 May 2014 - 01:51 PM, said:

That's not good. Kaschan you reading that? That means if we decide to lynch it will have to be by end of play today because I know I am busy over the weekend.

My main candidate for scum is Amp.

Amp who is yours again?

Pallid is on the fence and go a few different ways but thinks Amp for now.

Gl is Kaschan?

Kaschan is GL

Eloth is Kaschan

Barghast? I have no idea who his main scum read is.

Denul is Amp.

Kaschan, I am opposite to you on the Eloth/GL reveal and I do have you potential Amp partner.

Thing with you Kaschan, you are not the lead scum out of a scum pair but you fit the bill for out of site killer.

Yeah I am never around on the weekend.

I fit the bill along with every other player left in the game. Except for you whom half the board thinks is a symp.

[Pallid]

ok, lets put a realistic timeframe on here for when we're really timing out today with people leaving for the weekend?

[Denul]

Pallid, on 30 May 2014 - 02:03 PM, said:

ok, lets put a realistic timeframe on here for when we're really timing out today with people leaving for the weekend?

good idea.

[Pallid]

this would be where you give us your timeframe.

I'm working this weekend so should be available the whole timeish

[Denul]

Pallid, on 30 May 2014 - 02:15 PM, said:

this would be where you give us your timeframe.

I'm working this weekend so should be available the whole timeish

I don't think anyone can convince me to vote elsewhere so I am going to lay my vote by end of work day today, so in roughly 2 hours.


I refuse to vote for Pallid and Barghast based on my re read today.

Kaschan, you need to convince me of why you believe Eloth over GL.

My vote goes on Eloth or Amp.

[Kaschan]

Denul I have 7 hours before I am done for the day. I will be on and off for that time. I would like to come to some kind consensus before then.

[Kaschan]

Denul, on 30 May 2014 - 02:18 PM, said:

Pallid, on 30 May 2014 - 02:15 PM, said:

this would be where you give us your timeframe.

I'm working this weekend so should be available the whole timeish

I don't think anyone can convince me to vote elsewhere so I am going to lay my vote by end of work day today, so in roughly 2 hours.


I refuse to vote for Pallid and Barghast based on my re read today.

Kaschan, you need to convince me of why you believe Eloth over GL.

My vote goes on Eloth or Amp.

I can't convince you about Eloth over GL. I think that GL voting for me was scummy shit after the lynch especially since he was on while I was asking for people to vote and could easily see in the vote updates that I had voted. That whole move screams scum to me. Of course I am a little biased. But I can't convince you that GL is a better vote then Eloth. The fact that he is still alive is a WIFOM generater as we have already seen. I was willing to vote for him yesterday and I am willing to vote for him today.

[Denul]

I don't like the votes on you Kaschan, but you could be scum.

You're not my top choice for scum because you haven't influenced any lynches and not voted much, ie that is you are not thread manipulating scum, you may discuss things off thread but until we get a scum CF we cannot prove anything like that.

So no, you're the wrong choice today. For example if you are scum and we lynch you, great, but it doesn't lead us to to your partner. Yet if we lynch say Amp and he flips scum then I can certainly look back to see your interactions.

I am not saying you are Amp's partner, I am saying you could be.

Say Amp is not scum, which I find hard to believe I would be voting Eloth, its the safest choice because he is the one who talked wifom early game, he was the one with the healer reveal and he is trying to protect amp, if that is too overt then maybe Amp is being setting up by Eloth who is a killer and revealed healer which is great play. What if Eloth is lynched and flips scum? Would that PI Amp or implicate him more?

I think I would go back to see how Eloth treated me and put that against others.

Kaschan, are you backing Eloth's reveal? You seem to believe him which I cannot do.

[Denul]

Kaschan, on 30 May 2014 - 02:26 PM, said:

Denul, on 30 May 2014 - 02:18 PM, said:

Pallid, on 30 May 2014 - 02:15 PM, said:

this would be where you give us your timeframe.

I'm working this weekend so should be available the whole timeish

I don't think anyone can convince me to vote elsewhere so I am going to lay my vote by end of work day today, so in roughly 2 hours.


I refuse to vote for Pallid and Barghast based on my re read today.

Kaschan, you need to convince me of why you believe Eloth over GL.

My vote goes on Eloth or Amp.

I can't convince you about Eloth over GL. I think that GL voting for me was scummy shit after the lynch especially since he was on while I was asking for people to vote and could easily see in the vote updates that I had voted. That whole move screams scum to me. Of course I am a little biased. But I can't convince you that GL is a better vote then Eloth. The fact that he is still alive is a WIFOM generater as we have already seen. I was willing to vote for him yesterday and I am willing to vote for him today.

Okay I can see why GL would vote you though.

You have hardly voted ALL game, you missed day one and day two lynches and then the third day you missed it again. That's 3 game days in a row that you missed lynch. yes you voted yesterday but it didn't go anywhere and yeah you push RL at us for not voting and missing end of day and we are forced to believe that but you must see from our point of view, that can be seen as scummy?

I think Eloth's vote is the worst vote out of the two because now you are a train, a train out of no where. Where was you discussed? Yet now you have 2 votes and could be lynched?

The whole thing seems off. That is why I am not voting that way.

[Kaschan]

Denul, on 30 May 2014 - 02:29 PM, said:

I don't like the votes on you Kaschan, but you could be scum.

You're not my top choice for scum because you haven't influenced any lynches and not voted much, ie that is you are not thread manipulating scum, you may discuss things off thread but until we get a scum CF we cannot prove anything like that.

So no, you're the wrong choice today. For example if you are scum and we lynch you, great, but it doesn't lead us to to your partner. Yet if we lynch say Amp and he flips scum then I can certainly look back to see your interactions.

I am not saying you are Amp's partner, I am saying you could be.

Say Amp is not scum, which I find hard to believe I would be voting Eloth, its the safest choice because he is the one who talked wifom early game, he was the one with the healer reveal and he is trying to protect amp, if that is too overt then maybe Amp is being setting up by Eloth who is a killer and revealed healer which is great play. What if Eloth is lynched and flips scum? Would that PI Amp or implicate him more?

I think I would go back to see how Eloth treated me and put that against others.

Kaschan, are you backing Eloth's reveal? You seem to believe him which I cannot do.

No I have never backed Eloth's reveal. You can go all the way back and see that I never have. I have constantly questioned it.

[Denul]

Kaschan, on 30 May 2014 - 02:43 PM, said:

Denul, on 30 May 2014 - 02:29 PM, said:

I don't like the votes on you Kaschan, but you could be scum.

You're not my top choice for scum because you haven't influenced any lynches and not voted much, ie that is you are not thread manipulating scum, you may discuss things off thread but until we get a scum CF we cannot prove anything like that.

So no, you're the wrong choice today. For example if you are scum and we lynch you, great, but it doesn't lead us to to your partner. Yet if we lynch say Amp and he flips scum then I can certainly look back to see your interactions.

I am not saying you are Amp's partner, I am saying you could be.

Say Amp is not scum, which I find hard to believe I would be voting Eloth, its the safest choice because he is the one who talked wifom early game, he was the one with the healer reveal and he is trying to protect amp, if that is too overt then maybe Amp is being setting up by Eloth who is a killer and revealed healer which is great play. What if Eloth is lynched and flips scum? Would that PI Amp or implicate him more?

I think I would go back to see how Eloth treated me and put that against others.

Kaschan, are you backing Eloth's reveal? You seem to believe him which I cannot do.

No I have never backed Eloth's reveal. You can go all the way back and see that I never have. I have constantly questioned it.

If Eloth is symp is he symping Amp or GL?

If he is killer then it worked because he is still here.

[Kaschan]

Denul, on 30 May 2014 - 02:33 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 30 May 2014 - 02:26 PM, said:

Denul, on 30 May 2014 - 02:18 PM, said:

Pallid, on 30 May 2014 - 02:15 PM, said:

this would be where you give us your timeframe.

I'm working this weekend so should be available the whole timeish

I don't think anyone can convince me to vote elsewhere so I am going to lay my vote by end of work day today, so in roughly 2 hours.


I refuse to vote for Pallid and Barghast based on my re read today.

Kaschan, you need to convince me of why you believe Eloth over GL.

My vote goes on Eloth or Amp.

I can't convince you about Eloth over GL. I think that GL voting for me was scummy shit after the lynch especially since he was on while I was asking for people to vote and could easily see in the vote updates that I had voted. That whole move screams scum to me. Of course I am a little biased. But I can't convince you that GL is a better vote then Eloth. The fact that he is still alive is a WIFOM generater as we have already seen. I was willing to vote for him yesterday and I am willing to vote for him today.

Okay I can see why GL would vote you though.

You have hardly voted ALL game, you missed day one and day two lynches and then the third day you missed it again. That's 3 game days in a row that you missed lynch. yes you voted yesterday but it didn't go anywhere and yeah you push RL at us for not voting and missing end of day and we are forced to believe that but you must see from our point of view, that can be seen as scummy?

I think Eloth's vote is the worst vote out of the two because now you are a train, a train out of no where. Where was you discussed? Yet now you have 2 votes and could be lynched?

The whole thing seems off. That is why I am not voting that way.

I have hardly voted. I did not miss the day one lynch that is false. I was here for it. I was waiting to vote for Liosan and then he went and suicided himself and Fener. I posted immediately after that and said that with a seemingly vig I wasn't interested in voting for anyone. As I didn't want to potentially lose another town on day . I only missed one lynch and that was the Barghast one. Which I wasn't around for. By the way the rest of the players also missed the day 1 lynch why because no lynch happened as the lynchy killed himself and another town. So you can take that bullshit and shove it. I have not spammed the thread with votes as other people have but I am paying attention and when around willing to vote. The fact that Barghast didn't go anywhere has nothing to do with me. As the majority of players on decided that Nimander would be a better lynch. I would have voted for him if I had been on. I disagree that he was better then Barghast but hey everyone is doing a bang up job so far. I haven't been discussed and that is fine. Everyone should be discussed but when you try to put shit on me that I didn't do and there is evidence that I didn't do than that is bullshit and I will call anyone on it.

[Kaschan]

Denul, on 30 May 2014 - 02:53 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 30 May 2014 - 02:43 PM, said:

Denul, on 30 May 2014 - 02:29 PM, said:

I don't like the votes on you Kaschan, but you could be scum.

You're not my top choice for scum because you haven't influenced any lynches and not voted much, ie that is you are not thread manipulating scum, you may discuss things off thread but until we get a scum CF we cannot prove anything like that.

So no, you're the wrong choice today. For example if you are scum and we lynch you, great, but it doesn't lead us to to your partner. Yet if we lynch say Amp and he flips scum then I can certainly look back to see your interactions.

I am not saying you are Amp's partner, I am saying you could be.

Say Amp is not scum, which I find hard to believe I would be voting Eloth, its the safest choice because he is the one who talked wifom early game, he was the one with the healer reveal and he is trying to protect amp, if that is too overt then maybe Amp is being setting up by Eloth who is a killer and revealed healer which is great play. What if Eloth is lynched and flips scum? Would that PI Amp or implicate him more?

I think I would go back to see how Eloth treated me and put that against others.

Kaschan, are you backing Eloth's reveal? You seem to believe him which I cannot do.

No I have never backed Eloth's reveal. You can go all the way back and see that I never have. I have constantly questioned it.

If Eloth is symp is he symping Amp or GL?

If he is killer then it worked because he is still here.

I think that if Eloth is anything he is a killer. He has played scummy all game and then when he was going to be lynched he revealed healer with barely enough time left in the day to try to get another lynch. Then conveniently enough there were no deaths that night.

The thing I don't understand with GL is why he would bother revealing if he had a BP. If Eloth isn't a healer but is scum then scum is left wondering if there is a real healer out there since no kills went through. If Eloth withheld his kill then why would GL say that he lost his BP. Makes no sense.

If Eloth is actually a healer then why would GL say that he lost a BP. Not saying anything would make scum think that Eloth wasn't in fact healing Amp but instead healed GL and now they are thrown off and have to play guessing games with whom Eloth is going to heal. That also goes in why would Eloth say on thread that he couldn't heal himself. That makes no sense. Since when does town give scum more information? I mean seriously. Why say any of those things on thread. It makes no sense.

I can't say this one is more scummy then that one because none of what they have said or done has made any sense to me for roled town players to do.

[Denul]

Kaschan, who are you voting for today?