[Eloth]

I can't help what this looks like, but it is what it is.

I disagree with an Amp lynch, if I am wrong about him, and he is scum (which is possible, I don't know he is town) it actually doesn't help us. Because then you will almost 100% kill me tomorrow. Which means unless I manage to block their NK scum will end up winning tomorrow even with Ampelas dead. As the chance of me successfully healing someone is small, I think an Amp lynch is a bad idea today.

In the end chances are slim for town either way.

[Denul]

Eloth, on 30 May 2014 - 10:36 AM, said:

I can't help what this looks like, but it is what it is.

I disagree with an Amp lynch, if I am wrong about him, and he is scum (which is possible, I don't know he is town) it actually doesn't help us. Because then you will almost 100% kill me tomorrow. Which means unless I manage to block their NK scum will end up winning tomorrow even with Ampelas dead. As the chance of me successfully healing someone is small, I think an Amp lynch is a bad idea today.

In the end chances are slim for town either way.

I disagree, if Amp is scum then we will look through the thread for his partner. Why lynch the symp? If he is scum and we lynch wrong today, it is game over.

[Pallid]

I'm still not.entirely convinced by you eloth, and if he turns out to be scum then it 100% does help us, your logic fu is weak. I've been thinking over the implications of an amp lynch and possible cfs (well aware that an ri cf could in all likelyhood be a loss for us anyway). I wouldn't have been rushing to lynch you, in fact I would be strivjng to urge everyone to step back.and take a breath to calm themselves if he flips scum, and go back over HIS interactions. Its part of why I think he is a more valid lynch than you because even if you flip town healer, the question marks over amp remain, a lynch on kasch gives us less on any cf as he has been tied to no-one all game.

I really didn't like that post by eloth

and aml, I'm well aware of Denul shift in tone, especially playing nice.puppy to me, but several.players are at it, and I see him as a possible symp, but he's thrown pressure at virtually everyone, myself.included so who in the hell would he be symping?



of course the possibility exists (remotely Imo) that sukul was a killer and the remaining killer and (if alive) symp are panicking. (long shot I'm aware)



fact of the matter is, eloth is defending a player he has zero evidence of innocence on, that can't be ignored.

[Pallid]

cross postage

[Pallid]

if we lynch wrong today its likely game over regardless, so of the options left to my mind kasch and amp are the clear leaders for cool play killers, at random odds chances are we have a killer in those two, I'm not above flipping a coin for real but case and point is of those two, an amp cf gives us more to play with (again, if we get another day)

[Eloth]

Pallid, on 30 May 2014 - 10:50 AM, said:

I'm still not.entirely convinced by you eloth, and if he turns out to be scum then it 100% does help us, your logic fu is weak. I've been thinking over the implications of an amp lynch and possible cfs (well aware that an ri cf could in all likelyhood be a loss for us anyway). I wouldn't have been rushing to lynch you, in fact I would be strivjng to urge everyone to step back.and take a breath to calm themselves if he flips scum, and go back over HIS interactions. Its part of why I think he is a more valid lynch than you because even if you flip town healer, the question marks over amp remain, a lynch on kasch gives us less on any cf as he has been tied to no-one all game.

I really didn't like that post by eloth

and aml, I'm well aware of Denul shift in tone, especially playing nice.puppy to me, but several.players are at it, and I see him as a possible symp, but he's thrown pressure at virtually everyone, myself.included so who in the hell would he be symping?



of course the possibility exists (remotely Imo) that sukul was a killer and the remaining killer and (if alive) symp are panicking. (long shot I'm aware)



fact of the matter is, eloth is defending a player he has zero evidence of innocence on, that can't be ignored.

Evidence? You are kidding right? We don't have evidence on ANYONE. I feel his actions have been beneficial to town and have gone out of my way to keep him alive. If he is scum then well done him because he has me completely fooled.

[Ampelas]

Denul, on 30 May 2014 - 09:46 AM, said:

Ampelas, on 29 May 2014 - 09:37 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 29 May 2014 - 09:32 PM, said:

Who do you want to vote for?

Because I've felt Eloth is telling the truth, the WIFOM of Nimander/Barghast is more pressing for me. I will vote for either.

Amp sways the thread towards Nimander

Pallid, on 29 May 2014 - 09:42 PM, said:

vote nimander

I was more on board atrahal but no-one else is interested. Prefer the nimander lynch over bargh, most definitely over eloth

pallid follows

Ampelas, on 29 May 2014 - 09:47 PM, said:

Nimander's 'case' on me is a rehashing and comes back to that one sentence. It feels like he really wanted to attack me last night, and then had to come up with why when he returned, yet it wasn't anything new genuinely speculative. The best I can see is if he's tied me with defending Eloth, who he says again and again is scummy.

Amp defends himself here but I don't see why, not at this stage when he has no votes.

Ampelas, on 29 May 2014 - 09:48 PM, said:

I'm going with my earlier convictions and gut.

Vote Nimander

Makes this the only viable lynch

Galayn Lord, on 29 May 2014 - 09:57 PM, said:

I'm around and can switch to Nimander. In fact

Remove Vote

Vote Nimander Golit

Jumps over, happy to be on any lynch

Path-Shaper, on 29 May 2014 - 10:09 PM, said:

It is now Day 3. There are 40 minutes remaining.

9 players are alive: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kaschan, Nimander Golit, Pallid

6 votes to lynch. 5 votes to go to night.

1 vote Ampelas: Denul
1 vote Barghast: Kaschan
5 votes Nimander Golit: Eloth, Atrahal, Pallid, Ampelas, Galayn Lord
1 vote Eloth: Nimander Golit

Not voted: Barghast

This is when I entered the thread, I went shopping for beer after work, bought crips, lemonade, case of bud, I then went and got electricity from the shop, dropped off some mortar tone at mum and dads, got in and the wife made me put clothes away, her parents came round to collect a fridge, we watch Game of Thrones on the Cartoon HD app on my phone so had no access, watched Sleeping Beauty afterwards (which was surprisingly shorter than I remembered), wife went to bed, I opened up Skin Game, read for an hour and went up to bed, on my way up the stairs I opened the net to have a quick look at mafia before I closed my eyes for the night. I saw we had hardly any time left at all. The count was 5 on Nimander and Kaschan was being "shouted at" by Amp for leaving.

I hammered and went to bed. I peeked at the thread 10 minutes or so later to see the CF and was gutted it wasn't scum. I knew if I didn't peek I would be dreaming of mafia all night.

I don't care if you believe this, it's the truth.

Our indecisiveness is killing us. Leaving it until the last minute to get our lynch.

Yesterday was a productive day though.

Denul, on 30 May 2014 - 08:53 AM, said:

This is setting up his target for the next day without seeing a CF.

Ampelas, on 29 May 2014 - 02:53 PM, said:

Eloth, on 29 May 2014 - 02:45 PM, said:

Just realised I'm getting a little silly since I already know I'm a dead man walking. Ohh well.

Agree with Denul, Kaschan has done perfectly well as a "be here but totally unnoticed and unsuspected" player in this game.

Has he tried to go out on a limb for anything or been content to just be ignored? Will have to look into that.

In my own PM to PS I said that if one of Barghast/Nimander is not scum, Kaschan hits my list next.

I know that Denul's theory has me possibly paired with Atrahal, but at this point I don't really see him as more likely to be scum.

All this can change, of course, based on what happens today, but I thought I'd get that out there.

Barghast had a dream.

(he dreamt that Amp and Eloth were partners) This is entirely plausible.

Kid isn't asleep, so I may disappear again, but I've got a moment.

I am not "setting up targets". I am getting my thoughts on thread, because that gives information. I havce not avoided putting any of my thoughts on thread, because only a scum benefits from witholding their thinking and connections.

Yes, what barghast says is plausible, but you are actually using barghy's dream to make your point. The post I quote at the top, I"ve underlined Denul's statements. He is appearing DETERMINED to imply that every action I am taking is somehow scummy. I recommend reading the posts in context, without Denul's wording as commentary to make a real decision as to my intentions.

I am seriously thinking that Denul is the symp now. He's gone from spastic to focused, which makes sense if he knows it is D-day.

[Denul]

Don't try to paint me as symp because I am accusing you, I had my vote on you all day yesterday, it is not a sudden moment of clarity. Your actions towards the end of day speak for themselves.

[Ampelas]

Denul, on 30 May 2014 - 08:55 AM, said:

Given Nimander's CF I am listening to this very carefully.

Nimander Golit, on 29 May 2014 - 06:11 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 28 May 2014 - 02:17 AM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 28 May 2014 - 01:10 AM, said:

Ack, sorry, got snagged by various things.

Ok, so what I'm seeing so far is a lot of finger-wagging and nodding over at various people, some of which may have substance, most of which is probably nothing, and some effort to coalesce all the ANGER around one individual - so all in all typical early game...except that we're already down possibly up to three townies.

Since we have little concrete to go on, I thought I'd bring back up the lynch train that was all but assured on day 1 were it not for that little suicide vig snag:

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5 votes Liosan: Pallid, Denul, Barghast, Fener, Eloth

As I said, this was a pretty much dead cert lynch before the suiciding. Thus I am willing to bet everything that the corpse of Liosan owned that at least one of the ones here is scum. Luckily for us, we can already cross Fener off that list thanks to Liosan's, erm, heroics. That leaves us with Pallid, Denul, Barghast, and Eloth.

<snip>

I've been looking at that myself but from the other end. Where did the votes go after he posted the suicide trigger?

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13 players are alive: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Fener, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Liosan, Nimander Golit, Pallid, Sukul Ankhadu

7 votes to lynch. 7 votes to go to night.

5 votes Liosan: Pallid, Denul, Barghast, Fener, Eloth
1 vote Galayn Lord: Hood's Path
1 vote Eloth: Ampelas
1 vote Atrahal: Liosan
1 vote Fener: Galayn Lord

Not voted: Atrahal, Kaschan, Nimander Golit, Sukul Ankhadu

Lio's trigger, post 194

Amp: That sounds like an on thread ability trigger....

Hood's Path: Back and reading up. A quick skim of the most recent posts makes me think there might have been a vig of some kind?

Fener: Yeah that certainly doesnt bode well. However Im not real sure why you are focusing on me. I didnt start this train. And I gave you ample time to come back to the game and give some nice drawn out conclusions.

Hood's Path: OK, I've read up. I'm assuming that's a vig from Liosan - Lio, since we're short on time, can you confirm that that's what you're expecting to happen? It sounded like PS is not going to be back before deadline, so we're unlikely to get a resolution before then.

Hood's Path: Now, the question becomes - does this clear Liosan? Personally I find unlikely that there would be a scum vig in the game (that just seems like it would be OP in the end game), so on that basis I don't think it makes sense to complete the Liosan lynch. I guess I need to go away and have a think about who would be a viable alternative.

Ampelas replying to HP's last post: Yeah, I don't think lynching Liosan is a good idea. Even if it's a bluff, it's day one and only buys him a night, which would be dumb.

Kaschan quotes Lio's trigger post: That looks remarkably like a suicide vig. I hesitate to lynch someone until PS gets on to clarify. Which will most like be after time out.

HP posts several quotes from Eloth and then:There's enough for me to see this as a good alternative. Remove Vote. Vote Eloth

HP: Welp, that's me done - won't be back before timeout. Seems like everyone else has left already though...

Barghast quotes Lio a couple of times, comments some, and removes vote.

Galayn Lord does his stupid command line stuff, removes vote, and votes Eloth.

PS resolves the vig.


11 posts between the vig trigger and resolution. Ampelas, Hood's Path, Fener, Kaschan, Barghast, and GL. Scratch Fener and HP.

Now it comes down to what you think is the right play. I'd have continued with the LIo lynch simply because there wasn't enough time to go elsewhere. If it was vig, he dies. If it wasn't a vig, why let him live to simply be lynched the next day? HP, Amp, Kaschan, and Barghast all disagree with me and think that lynching Lio is a bad idea. HP removes and votes Eloth. Barghast simply removes. GL is last with a remove and vote Eloth with no explanation. Kaschan has no vote down and Ampelas has his firmly on Eloth.


I'm willing to bet that one of Ampelas, Kaschan, Barghast, and GL are scum. Ampelas simply thinks that lynching Liosan is a bad idea and then disappears. Not a single word of encouragement to swing and follow his own vote for Eloth. Barghast explains why he removes. Kaschan doesn't say anything beyond he's hesitant to lynch anyone until the Liosan thing plays out. GL's remove and vote comes plenty late enough that he had to know he was wasting his time.

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At timeout...


11 players are alive: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Nimander Golit, Pallid, Sukul Ankhadu

7 votes to lynch. 7 votes to go to night.

3 votes Eloth: Ampelas, Hood's Path, Galayn Lord

Not voted: Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Kaschan, Nimander Golit, Pallid, Sukul Ankhadu

Amp's lack of enthusiasm for is own choice bothers me but GL bothers me more. His stupid posts, jumping at the PS coercion, and then the "nah, I'm just fucking with you". But I have enough doubt about that that I'm more willing to go with the safer choice; the person who reset the modkill timer during the freeze:


Vote Sukul Ankhadu

Starting here. The red highlights. GL picked up his game today. I still don't like the way he started and I'm not certain what the BP reveal does for him (as far as what I think of him.) Sukul is gone, Barghast and Kaschan I find more townie.


Day 2 no lynch:

Ampelas, on 28 May 2014 - 07:10 AM, said:

Well, based on 2 scum and a possible symp being alive, it's not the end of the world if we dont' get a lynch today. Two wrong lynches and two NK's means it's game over (nod to Nimander ). We can get an NK tonight to narrow the field, and still have two more days to get a correct lynch.

Eloth is at L-2. Denul has said he'd switch from Barghast to Eloth to get a lynch if Amp does. Amp doesn't so Denul sticks with Barghast. This is all prior to the Eloth reveal, so Amp's blase attitude can't be excused by that. Apparently Amp doesn't care if we don't lynch and doesn't care about an NK. Cutesy cat pictures doesn't make that attitude any less scummy.

Nimander is a supporter from the grave in thinking I"m scum, but CFing inno does not mean he knew anything more about who was scum and who isn't. You're pushing sentiment at me, rather than an actual case.

You ask if I am now doubting Eloth. Of course I have doubts, but I have chosen to believe him for reasons I have already outlined. I could be proven wrong.

[Ampelas]

Denul, on 30 May 2014 - 11:19 AM, said:

Don't try to paint me as symp because I am accusing you, I had my vote on you all day yesterday, it is not a sudden moment of clarity. Your actions towards the end of day speak for themselves.

See, that's what I don't understand. What are you talking about here? My actions were: I think Barghast or Nimander could be scum. I listened and thought and decided that Nimander made sense from an info standpoint, and it was my gut choice.

Now you're using his inno CF as ammo against me.

Also, I have not turned against you. I have consistently called you a spaz, but probably an inno one. Now I'm not sure, because your case seems based largely on sentiment and hint-hint-nudge-nudge type post crafting. That doesn't strike me as particularly town-ish case building, AND it is also very different from how you threw out accusations during the first couple of days.

[Denul]

Early doors Amp does not want to be seen as the start of the day one train, he removes and put a vote on Eloth;

Ampelas, on 22 May 2014 - 01:00 PM, said:

All right, here are my thoughts, because you all asked so nicely.

I see my joke vote has ballooned into a train on Liosan. Not because of anything I did, I just happen to be the first person on there. I'll replace said vote, if necessary, but I am going to

Remove vote

Vote Eloth

because he has answered questions and analyzed some things, yet the only person he can commit to pressure is someone who hasn't even shown up yet. Operation "Good Job" during the "Do Your Best" offensive has been a success, Eloth.

It appears involved. It appears to be active and information gathering-esque. But it lacks any real bite.

Eloth's reaction is very soft and playful. I am going to continue a read and see if he reacts this way to others who vote for him, or pressure him.

Eloth, on 22 May 2014 - 02:02 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 22 May 2014 - 01:00 PM, said:

All right, here are my thoughts, because you all asked so nicely.

I see my joke vote has ballooned into a train on Liosan. Not because of anything I did, I just happen to be the first person on there. I'll replace said vote, if necessary, but I am going to

Remove vote

Vote Eloth

because he has answered questions and analyzed some things, yet the only person he can commit to pressure is someone who hasn't even shown up yet. Operation "Good Job" during the "Do Your Best" offensive has been a success, Eloth.

It appears involved. It appears to be active and information gathering-esque. But it lacks any real bite.

S-s-s-shut up, I'm being helpful! You big meanie!

Sukhul isn't the only person I'm interested in, just the one I want to hear from right now. Putting pressure on people to get more involved is more useful this early on, than putting pressure on people you already have an opinion on. It also encourages him to take a serious look at the thread and voice his opinions when he does show up. A different pair of eyes can catch things we might have missed.

From thinking that Amp is scum, I see him pressuring Eloth further because he doesn't know he is his symp or town healer and it is safe play from Amp.

Ampelas, on 22 May 2014 - 02:12 PM, said:

I used to buy that reasoning, but not really so much anymore. At this point, there are going to be people who couldn't get online, got slammed at work, or whatever.

The person you call out will come on and act indignant, and then either post some comments or not post some comments. I dont' think it tells us anything either way.

If they are, in fact, lurking scum, then they'll either make a reasonable sounding post that allays your fears, or they'll just remain non-committal and get forgotten until days later.

Punching at low posters on Day 1 is too easy and ultimately lazy. Punch at people that are HERE.

Yet again Eloth does not attack back, or hard defend against Amp. He says "not needlessly antagonistic" as a reference to his style or reply.

Eloth, on 22 May 2014 - 02:22 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 22 May 2014 - 02:12 PM, said:

I used to buy that reasoning, but not really so much anymore. At this point, there are going to be people who couldn't get online, got slammed at work, or whatever.

The person you call out will come on and act indignant, and then either post some comments or not post some comments. I dont' think it tells us anything either way.

If they are, in fact, lurking scum, then they'll either make a reasonable sounding post that allays your fears, or they'll just remain non-committal and get forgotten until days later.

Punching at low posters on Day 1 is too easy and ultimately lazy. Punch at people that are HERE.

I've already stated my uneasiness about Denul and his attempts to steer the thread, and will continue to keep an eye on Pallid. But as there are 13 hours left today I am content to see what (and who) else comes out of the woodwork before throwing around more speculation. You are accusing me of trying to coast by being ostensibly town but ultimately unhelpful and I suspect trying to get a more emotional or aggressive response before you make up your mind about me, but I'm not being needlessly antagonistic on day 1.

Amp is around towards end of day and offers his opinion towards lynching Liosan. I am going through to see how active Amp is at end of day and if he has much influence.

Ampelas, on 22 May 2014 - 10:42 PM, said:

Hood, on 22 May 2014 - 10:36 PM, said:

Now, the question becomes - does this clear Liosan? Personally I find unlikely that there would be a scum vig in the game (that just seems like it would be OP in the end game), so on that basis I don't think it makes sense to complete the Liosan lynch. I guess I need to go away and have a think about who would be a viable alternative.

Yeah, I don't think lynching Liosan is a good idea. Even if it's a bluff, it's day one and only buys him a night, which would be dumb.

So from a stand point where Eloth is symp/healer, it would be a safe vote from scum. They don't know their symp, in fact they probably thought it was me early on with my erratic posting.

Path-Shaper, on 23 May 2014 - 05:15 AM, said:

At timeout...


11 players are alive: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Nimander Golit, Pallid, Sukul Ankhadu

7 votes to lynch. 7 votes to go to night.

3 votes Eloth: Ampelas, Hood's Path, Galayn Lord

Not voted: Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Kaschan, Nimander Golit, Pallid, Sukul Ankhadu

[Denul]

Ampelas, on 30 May 2014 - 11:27 AM, said:

Denul, on 30 May 2014 - 11:19 AM, said:

Don't try to paint me as symp because I am accusing you, I had my vote on you all day yesterday, it is not a sudden moment of clarity. Your actions towards the end of day speak for themselves.

See, that's what I don't understand. What are you talking about here? My actions were: I think Barghast or Nimander could be scum. I listened and thought and decided that Nimander made sense from an info standpoint, and it was my gut choice.

Now you're using his inno CF as ammo against me.

Also, I have not turned against you. I have consistently called you a spaz, but probably an inno one. Now I'm not sure, because your case seems based largely on sentiment and hint-hint-nudge-nudge type post crafting. That doesn't strike me as particularly town-ish case building, AND it is also very different from how you threw out accusations during the first couple of days.

Yeah, why have you given me a free ride? What makes you think I am town? Only Pallid has had the balls to come out and accuse me. I don't like it. I cannot be 100% sure about any of you. I am looking at you more closely as we are down to D day. Imo you need to have the leader scum, the mover and shaker, and GL, You and I fit that profile. I know it isn't me, and GL's actions make me believe it isn;t him, ie the rping, the reveal without pressure, willingness to vote anyone to get the lynch, all things throughout the whole game has me thinking GL is town, whereas you, you have tried to fit in, you have even said as much, you said you were careful with your posts and accusations and to me it is painting a big red flag. A massive one.

[Denul]

More to the point, Eloth accusing me, before you say he has, his accusations look like they have no foundation. He says I am all over the place. No, I put down the voting patterns that showed he had more votes going at more players than I did. He looks a lot more over the place than me.

I am moving on to day two, but I think you are scum, the more I read the more I am convinced.

[Eloth]

Denul, on 30 May 2014 - 11:42 AM, said:

More to the point, Eloth accusing me, before you say he has, his accusations look like they have no foundation. He says I am all over the place. No, I put down the voting patterns that showed he had more votes going at more players than I did. He looks a lot more over the place than me.

I am moving on to day two, but I think you are scum, the more I read the more I am convinced.

Dude you are taking things out of context and cherry picking like fucking mad.

First my votes: Joke vote Pallid (as I have explicitly told you and you continue to ignore), Summon vote Sukul, swap from my primary lynch targets on day 1 and 2. NOT random or swinging wildly from person to person. I vote who I want lynched and if that doesn't happen I prefer to get a lynch on someone than no one.

Second, on DAY ONE alone, you (1) suspect Pallid

Denul, on 22 May 2014 - 07:13 AM, said:

Pallid, on 22 May 2014 - 06:04 AM, said:

fuck this

vote Liosan

entirely too vehement a reaction to suspicion on him, day one or not, his jump was not haha jokey to me, it was opportunist. There's multiple options out there for joke votes, none of them a second on a train

[sarcasm] I know yeah right! Imagine being the second vote on a train on day one. [/sarcasm

So yeah, what did you make of Ampelas' vote of Liosan, what was his reason for voting? For dissing his avatar, that's what. Amp just pointed out that Fener's reaction was a bit over the top for early game day banter.

See, to me Liosan is still in "fun early day mode" whereas your reactions are quite strong. I think Lio is right, that you are defending Fener.

(2) support votes on Sukul

Denul, on 22 May 2014 - 10:11 AM, said:

Eloth, on 22 May 2014 - 09:58 AM, said:

Denul, on 22 May 2014 - 09:18 AM, said:

Eloth, on 22 May 2014 - 08:43 AM, said:

Denul, on 22 May 2014 - 08:11 AM, said:

I do like the avatar though, but I agree with you, I see Fener as ginormous. In Crippled God the hoof seemed to cover such a large area, unless that was just a metaphor or great magic.

In TCG he's big enough to cover 4 massive armies, there was some point earlier in the series when he was a more "regular size" when he was hiding in one of the errants temples I think. Don't know what size was specified but I have a really really hard time ever imagining him as smaller than Rood. Just can't see it.

As for pallids vehemence, people can latch onto flimsy day 1 lynches with all their might, so I don't think either of them are really displaying scum traits at the moment.

Anyone catch your eye so far then?

Since we actually only have just over 1 page of posts to look at after the switch up, the only two people who have caught my eye are you and Pallid. So much seriousness from the pair of you over relatively nothing.

When was the last time anything of consequence was said on day 1 that lead to a successful lynch?

Having said that, I'd really like to hear from some of the people who have yet to contribute in any way. Sukul Ankhadu no posts, three people with 1, most of them just checking in. So in that vein;

Remove Vote
Vote Sukul Ankhadu

Get online and give us what ya got, Sukul!

Yeah that is a good vote for now. Is he the only non poster? I do not have the capacity to check right now.

(3) Support suggestions that HP is symping

Denul, on 22 May 2014 - 11:33 AM, said:

Eloth, on 22 May 2014 - 11:24 AM, said:

I don't think any symp would be so reactionary and vehement about a couple of joke posts, they might sweat a bit but this is not a proportional or reasonable response a symp would have. I think you are reaching here.

I see you voted for Pallid, was that just a joke?

So you think Pallid is joking with his posts?

I am not taking the thread anywhere. What else do you want me to focus on?

Ampelas made a point about Hood putting two people in his little post, like a signal to a master. That is more symp like, subtle, but HP would know we look out for that sort of stuff. You can wifom how town and scum play all you like, but I personally don't get Pallid's reaction to Fener's vote.

(4) Vote for lisoan

Denul, on 22 May 2014 - 12:15 PM, said:

Pallid, on 22 May 2014 - 12:10 PM, said:

post eaten, trying again.

the gist of it was:

blah blah blah, labelling symp is an easy way to coast through two lynches, I cf inno 'aha symp!' you chase my 'master' they inno, the symp was clearly distracting by fake symping! Lynch him before he causes any more confusion!

its a tactic we've seen before and hey, I've used it before, all of a sudden people will not be happy until fener is lynched, because lio dropped the second vote bam straight ul after the first, and I didn't like that, had there been a case I could have been accused of defending him, but there's not, its being written off as 'oh well chuckle chuckle its fener, gotta expect a few votes as fener' bollocks. The first vote slid as the chuckle its fener vote, anything after is opportunism and no more. So denul, kindly stop trying to shepherd this thread in the direction you want it to go, because it ain't happening, we west the big boy pants now, and can do what we want without you telling us how it should be.
How about this, you're symping Lio by defending him!! Just as stupid as what you are aiming at me, so deal with it.

back to normal service, my votes staying where it is for now, because I like it and beyond denul I don't fancy sticking it anywhere else just now.






edit, info to inno

Very tunnel visioned of you. Ignore the rest of the thread. This response pleases me and I wouldn't have got it without prodding you further.

So let's see why Lio jumped onto the Fener vote and then removed himself so sheepishly when people say it looked bad.

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Vote Liosan

I don't mind pushing in a different direction. I'd prefer an open mind early in the day until I get better reads and more information.

(5) vote barghast

Denul, on 22 May 2014 - 01:27 PM, said:

My vote will go back on Liosan if he does not assuage my doubts but I want to hear more from the skaters. Let's call out Barghast and see what thoughts s/he has.

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[Eloth]

(6) explicitly state your willingness to lynch Fener Kaschan or HP

Denul, on 22 May 2014 - 02:26 PM, said:

Out of the current crop of people that are around and reading up I could definitely vote for any of them.

Fener, on 22 May 2014 - 12:43 PM, said:

Ok so not a whole lot happening that really means anything. Typical Day 1. My push back on Lio got a quick reaction in that he crumpled like a wad of paper. Not quite sure what to make of that yet, I will have to hear some more from him to decide. Pallid being all prickly and stuff is nice since its getting reactions and at least a few of us talking. GL has done nothing but RP. And we have Capt & Denul flailing around like Doc OC at a stripper convention.

So out of the guys you mention, do any of them warrant a vote, who would you like to pressure more?

Kaschan, on 22 May 2014 - 12:52 PM, said:

So after reading all of that. I don't see anything particularly that jumps out to me as scummy. Pallid's response to the second vote on Fener seemed like a reasonable reaction to what looked like someone attempting to build a second joke train. I wouldn't have reacted like that but Fener getting several votes on day 1 is pretty traditional.

Again, nothing jumps out you, anything you want to like add to the group. I don't see this type of post holding any water. Are you not concerned that there are people out there who want to do you harm? Or are you a killer feigning interest but not actively looking for scum?

Hood, on 22 May 2014 - 12:53 PM, said:

I'm in and out - busy at work but should be able to drop a few posts in here and there.

Denul, on 22 May 2014 - 12:15 PM, said:

Pallid, on 22 May 2014 - 12:10 PM, said:

post eaten, trying again.

the gist of it was:

blah blah blah, labelling symp is an easy way to coast through two lynches, I cf inno 'aha symp!' you chase my 'master' they inno, the symp was clearly distracting by fake symping! Lynch him before he causes any more confusion!

its a tactic we've seen before and hey, I've used it before, all of a sudden people will not be happy until fener is lynched, because lio dropped the second vote bam straight ul after the first, and I didn't like that, had there been a case I could have been accused of defending him, but there's not, its being written off as 'oh well chuckle chuckle its fener, gotta expect a few votes as fener' bollocks. The first vote slid as the chuckle its fener vote, anything after is opportunism and no more. So denul, kindly stop trying to shepherd this thread in the direction you want it to go, because it ain't happening, we west the big boy pants now, and can do what we want without you telling us how it should be.
How about this, you're symping Lio by defending him!! Just as stupid as what you are aiming at me, so deal with it.

back to normal service, my votes staying where it is for now, because I like it and beyond denul I don't fancy sticking it anywhere else just now.

edit, info to inno

Very tunnel visioned of you. Ignore the rest of the thread. This response pleases me and I wouldn't have got it without prodding you further.

So let's see why Lio jumped onto the Fener vote and then removed himself so sheepishly when people say it looked bad.

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Vote Liosan

I don't mind pushing in a different direction. I'd prefer an open mind early in the day until I get better reads and more information.

As soon as Pallid accuses you of voting for Liosan here you switch to vote for Liosan. I'm wondering if perhaps you're a bit too afraid of getting tagged as scummy on Day 1?

Finally, HP, latching on to something without progressing his thoughts any further. I responded to him, etiquette dictates he should come back with a reply of his own, or another observation.

Is all the above good town play?

(7) put Atrahal on you suspicious list

Denul, on 22 May 2014 - 03:56 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 22 May 2014 - 03:49 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 22 May 2014 - 06:51 AM, said:

'llo there. You all seem jumpy as fuck.
Fener being voted for being a mysogenistic wanker and people defending him is interesting, though.

Possible signal to Liosan?

Possible, yes. Atrahal is on the back of my "to watch" list. Behind HP and Pallid.

That is, potential symps.

(8) Vote for Liosan AGAIN

Denul, on 22 May 2014 - 03:57 PM, said:

Time to go. I may be back a bit later, in case I won't I am going to leave my vote on Liosan until he explains himself further.



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On DAY ONE you pointed at more people being scum than I have voted for in THREE DAYS. I didn't even include your joke vote of Fener that you were somewhat reluctant to let go. You ARE all over the place, this is not up for debate.

[Pallid]

I'm on my phone, but curious, who has Denul NOT (that's still alive) thrown shit at?

[Denul]

Day 2 play by Eloth and Amp. Eloth responds to 2/3 votes on him, he replies to Hood's, Galayn's but ignores Amp's or doesn't mention it. So first quote here says he will respond to the accusations.

Eloth, on 23 May 2014 - 06:52 AM, said:

Why Lio? Why use the vig on Day fucking 1. We get it, it sucks to be lynched in the randomness of day 1. But it would have been so much better to have you die without using it, than to have the situation we have now...

Got to go asap, I will respond to the accusations against me later today, I'll just say this - I avoided making cases and joining in the slap fights because it was an incredibly banal (and short) Day 1.

Here is the start of those

http://forum.malazan...ost__p__1126422

GL votes for Eloth and then Amp also highlights a lot of wifom from Eloth (wifom is pure symp play, he focusing too much on the NK's) but Eloth is one again friendly with Amp. He highlights both GL and I as scum and reiterates that it isn't wifom to look into HP's death and use it as evidence.

Eloth, on 23 May 2014 - 12:01 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 23 May 2014 - 11:24 AM, said:

snip
You appear to be trying, but rather than really contributing some solid information or pushing a case driven idea, you're selling WIFOM. The underlined is more of it. You call it evidence, I call it speculation that will get us next to no where.

edit: forgot red color on last part

Not a lot I can do beyond give you my opinion on who is suspicious/scum, I am suspicious of both Denul and GL and willing to vote for either of them.

After the catastrophe of yesterday I thought people would slow down and take a look at why HP might have been lynched, but no one else seems much interested. How exactly is it WIFOM to posit that HP was killed because of his voiced negative impressions of 3 people?

He says to Galayn that he will CF as town and it will point to us being scum. A symp thing to say for sure.

Eloth, on 23 May 2014 - 12:11 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 23 May 2014 - 12:09 PM, said:

Full agreement with you I am, yes?

Killed Path of Hood was as talking sense he might be seen to be, powerful voice among us hmmm?

Of you Path of Hood 'voice negative impression' - this bad it seems, does it not?

Yes, and if I am killed, I will CF as town, and the spot light falls on both of you I look forward for that silver lining at least if I do end up going down.

Here is Eloth voting for me. It is Amp's reply that has me interested.

Ampelas, on 23 May 2014 - 01:06 PM, said:

Eloth, on 23 May 2014 - 10:03 AM, said:

Denul is behaving like someone who is not worried in the slightest about getting NKed. With how often he is posting and how many half baked opinions he feels confident sharing and throwing votes on as many people as he can, it makes me wonder whether he is scum, symp, or simply useful for the scum to keep around.

He agreed with me that putting pressure on Sukul is a good vote, and votes on Barghast for the exact same reason 59 minutes later he agrees that it is a bad tactic, what the hell? He puts pressure on Pallid while saying he finds it unlikely Pallid is scum and quotes posts that he himself has previously stated to be joke posts like he is building a case against Pallid. Not good play at all. Even if Pallid is a symp, misusing the posts of others is a awful way to go about trying to convince others to do that.

I don't understand how anyone could be so brazen in throwing accusations and votes all over the thread only to come out unscathed the next day without being scum or completely wrong.

HP voted for GL at the start of the day, we connect briefly over our desire to have more people contribute (I miss you you dead bastard!) Wonders about Denuls quick abandonment of a Pallid vote once Denul is threatened. Further attempts to bring GL into the limelight and GLs coasting RPing may be scum tactic. Criticises Denul once again. He leaves for a few hours then comes back on thread and agrees with the other people who are suspicious of me, I have already responded to this a few posts up. TL:DR for that post is he read a few of my statements incorrectly and disagreed with my suspicion of Denul.

Ok, if I cut the WIFOM out of your post, this is what is left. Ultimately, your case on Denul is he's been throwing a lot of shit around, hoping something will stick, and some of this vote choices have gone against his own advice on how to play. That's fair enough, but it doesn't strike me as particularily scummy. Symp-like, possible.

The WIFOM stuff, I mean, maybe scum killed HP at random and we can chase that road only to find it doesn't mean a damn thing. Let's just leave the "why skum killed so-and-so" stuff out of this.

So Eloth is still creating Wifom, which in itself is scummy, but Amp thinks of me as a symp. It's interesting because Amp is attacking Eloth here and it is before he reveals healer.

[Denul]

Pallid, on 30 May 2014 - 11:59 AM, said:

I'm on my phone, but curious, who has Denul NOT (that's still alive) thrown shit at?

I don't know. Look at the post above regarding Amp and Eloth's interactions.

I am going to continue but Eloth is a symp and Amp is a killer. I'm 90% sure of it.

[Denul]

When I have put Amp in the town bracket (early on)

Eloth backs off. He removes his vote.

Eloth, on 23 May 2014 - 02:04 PM, said:

Denul, on 23 May 2014 - 01:44 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 23 May 2014 - 01:42 PM, said:

No worries.

Do you have any direct answer to Eloth's accusations of you?

They look a bit messy to be honest. They have basically just done a speech to try and sway people to their cause. They have brought up no quotes, and the case is flimsy at best.

I wasn't able to do a long multi-quote post due to time constraints.

You did some great work with those posts, and I appreciate you have recognised my behaviour as what it is (greater chances of continued existence!). The only part I dislike is you tied your towniness to the towniness of both myself and ampelas. If we are town then so are you, and if we believe you to be scum then we are saying we are acting scumlike as well. This is a great way to imply scummyness on our parts if we continue to press you by saying we are the same. Apart from that I agree with most of what you have written except for GL.

I am not happy with the RP at the moment, he is hiding behind a gimmick to avoid giving us his unadulterated opinion, he came closest to being legible when he was calling me a purple dildo and even then, he wasn't adding to any conversation in a meaningful way, just restating what others have done before. I will be happy to remove my vote and see what GL and barghast bring to the table today. Still wish the low posters would have more of a presence though.

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[Pallid]

90% that's a big claim, people in sh could be either applauding or laughing at you for it.

I think you three need to.lay off dick.measuring for a bit and lets hear from the rest of the living, I assume we're heading for a weekend break so you dint have to rush to post every quote ever and further clog us up, I wanna hear from the others but I'm reasonably sure I'll be voting Amp (as of current stance, assuming no changes or personal revelations)