[Eloth]

Pallid, on 30 May 2014 - 11:59 AM, said:

I'm on my phone, but curious, who has Denul NOT (that's still alive) thrown shit at?

The only person I can see on a lightning fast skim through that Denul has avoided in any significant way is GL, Denul thinks either GL or me are lying about our reveals, and had GL marked orange as an unknown affliation but that's as far as its ever gone.

[Denul]

Eloth, on 30 May 2014 - 12:12 PM, said:

Pallid, on 30 May 2014 - 11:59 AM, said:

I'm on my phone, but curious, who has Denul NOT (that's still alive) thrown shit at?

The only person I can see on a lightning fast skim through that Denul has avoided in any significant way is GL, Denul thinks either GL or me are lying about our reveals, and had GL marked orange as an unknown affliation but that's as far as its ever gone.

I think you are lying.

[Eloth]

Pallid, on 30 May 2014 - 12:11 PM, said:

90% that's a big claim, people in sh could be either applauding or laughing at you for it.

I think you three need to.lay off dick.measuring for a bit and lets hear from the rest of the living, I assume we're heading for a weekend break so you dint have to rush to post every quote ever and further clog us up, I wanna hear from the others but I'm reasonably sure I'll be voting Amp (as of current stance, assuming no changes or personal revelations)

Since he's likely scum, I think they are applauding either way.

[Eloth]

Denul, on 30 May 2014 - 12:14 PM, said:

Eloth, on 30 May 2014 - 12:12 PM, said:

Pallid, on 30 May 2014 - 11:59 AM, said:

I'm on my phone, but curious, who has Denul NOT (that's still alive) thrown shit at?

The only person I can see on a lightning fast skim through that Denul has avoided in any significant way is GL, Denul thinks either GL or me are lying about our reveals, and had GL marked orange as an unknown affliation but that's as far as its ever gone.

I think you are lying.

Still alive:
Eloth - our disagreements should be obvious to everyone
Ampelas - you have been going after him for the last 2 days
Kaschan - you were willing to trivially lynch on day 1
Pallid - you had serious questions about him on Day 1
Galayn Lord - did I miss something you did here?
Barghast - you were willing to trivially lynch on day 1

[Kaschan]

Denul, on 30 May 2014 - 09:29 AM, said:

I see Kaschan's frustration. I don't see why he was leaving. He makes so much sense though. I see GL as very jumpy and cue Amp to take the lead.

I left because I have to catch a train and go home. When I am home I have other prioritize then mafia the fact that I checked the thread at all was to make sure that we actually lynched someone. When I say I am leaving it means I am getting on a fucking train and won't have any access to the the internet. Now I am back and catching up. The fact that both Amp and GL couldn't seem to read the fucking thread where I voted for Barghast and each one of PS and mine updates where the times and votes were stated means that they didn't give a shit about either one. Right now I have them as the two most scummy players. I don't know if I believe Eloths reveal. The fact that he is still alive is very questionable to me. By all rights as a proclaimed healer he should be dead. It is just so much WIFOM.

[Kaschan]

[u]Eloth[/u], on 30 May 2014 - 12:20 PM, said:

Denul, on 30 May 2014 - 12:14 PM, said:

Eloth, on 30 May 2014 - 12:12 PM, said:

Pallid, on 30 May 2014 - 11:59 AM, said:

I'm on my phone, but curious, who has Denul NOT (that's still alive) thrown shit at?

The only person I can see on a lightning fast skim through that Denul has avoided in any significant way is GL, Denul thinks either GL or me are lying about our reveals, and had GL marked orange as an unknown affliation but that's as far as its ever gone.

I think you are lying.

Still alive:
Eloth - our disagreements should be obvious to everyone
Ampelas - you have been going after him for the last 2 days
Kaschan - you were willing to trivially lynch on day 1
Pallid - you had serious questions about him on Day 1
Galayn Lord - did I miss something you did here?
Barghast - you were willing to trivially lynch on day 1

You are having disagreements with yourself? That would honestly explain so much but it would kind of take the game above a tmdi 2.

[Ampelas]

Denul, on 30 May 2014 - 12:06 PM, said:

Pallid, on 30 May 2014 - 11:59 AM, said:

I'm on my phone, but curious, who has Denul NOT (that's still alive) thrown shit at?

I don't know. Look at the post above regarding Amp and Eloth's interactions.

I am going to continue but Eloth is a symp and Amp is a killer. I'm 90% sure of it.

People who are this sure on D-day, and are pushing hard to dominate the thread, raise my scumdar to the roof. Yeah, it sucks that you are doing it to me, but it's suspicious no matter who you'd be pushing.

First you insinuate, I call you on it, and now you're posting everything I've done on thread, mold it to fit your theory, to try and up the ante.

[Kaschan]

Denul, on 30 May 2014 - 08:29 AM, said:

Pallid I am listening.

I don't like the early votes with it being D day.

I can see merit in voting Kaschan as he has skated towards the end of game, he has not been on any trains. His weird play at end of day yesterday is strange. He voted someone that was not going to get lynched. He's a clever player, and I don't see what his game plan has been.

Rather than just point at one player we have got to be looking at a team now. I voted Amp for the majority of yesterday and he got little to no heat off anyone. I haven't properly read up on the end of day yesterday, I am going to do that first.

I find it hard to place my trust in any one player.

Eloth reveals healer.
Galayn Lord reveals BP.

I want to believe Eloth but he has been given me a scum vibe all game, I think symp, I think his CF will show up town. Yet, it is pure wifom. He could be killer, revealing to save his arse. He is still alive. I don't know why.

He is trying to clear Amp, as we lynch Eloth (which was entirely possible) and he CF's town then we got to believe Amp is town. (Although there is nothing to say Eloth healed scum)

On the flip side, if Eloth is scum and he is fingering Amp as town, then it is entirely possible that another leader of the thread could be scum ie GL. I don't see how Eloth can have both GL and Amp in the town section.

If I was the healer, then I would be calling the BP bullshit and having GL as potential scum.


What makes Eloth believe GL is town?


Now Barghast is interesting. He has received a lot of heat throughout the whole game. He was almost lynched the day Eloth revealed.

Both Nimander and Atrahal have CF'd as RI, which means that they weren't purposefully avoiding the Barghast lynch. Kaschan didn't vote and used RL excuse against this. So I believe he couldn't have voted.


All the above is going from memory.




Internet has been down most of the morning. So I thought I'd get these thoughts in asap.


Pallid, keep thinking things through, because oddly enough, you are the only alt I trust.

I think Kaschan is being friendly with me, and I don't know if that is to get me on his good side. His play has not been pro town. I think he needs a re read for sure.

Amp's last couple of days has been pushing me to think he is scum, he has been more erratic as the game has got further along, look at his "alone posts" for examples of this.

Pallid has been a solid player, I have no reason to believe he is scum, I don't see it. If someone else does I would like to hear their thoughts.

When I voted for Barghast there only 2 votes on Nimander. Barghast could have and in my mind should have been lynched. Why because a Barghast lynch based on the no lynch from the other day made much more sense. Barghast was the one who the train built on Nimander was the one who left and didn't vote. So at best Nimander was a symp. That should isn't hard. The rest of you fuck head were himming and hawing all day long on this that or the other. I said voted we have 3 hours left. Nobody voted. I said Vote we have 1.5 hours left. Nobody voted. I said that I would vote for any of

Eloth
GL
Barghast (I was voting)
Nimander

I said I was fucking leaving.

NOBODY FUCKING VOTED.

Then you fucktards come on and say that I voted for someone who wasn't going to be lynched. When every single person who was on the board at the time that I was on said that they would vote for any of the above. BULLSHIT. That lynch easily could have gone on Barghast. I have given you a lot of ley way because I thought that you were bringing decent pressure on people and forcing people to play and put there thoughts on the thread. But you are starting to talk total bullshit now.

[Ampelas]

Denul, on 30 May 2014 - 12:04 PM, said:

Day 2 play by Eloth and Amp. Eloth responds to 2/3 votes on him, he replies to Hood's, Galayn's but ignores Amp's or doesn't mention it. So first quote here says he will respond to the accusations.

Eloth, on 23 May 2014 - 06:52 AM, said:

Why Lio? Why use the vig on Day fucking 1. We get it, it sucks to be lynched in the randomness of day 1. But it would have been so much better to have you die without using it, than to have the situation we have now...

Got to go asap, I will respond to the accusations against me later today, I'll just say this - I avoided making cases and joining in the slap fights because it was an incredibly banal (and short) Day 1.

Here is the start of those

http://forum.malazan...ost__p__1126422

GL votes for Eloth and then Amp also highlights a lot of wifom from Eloth (wifom is pure symp play, he focusing too much on the NK's) but Eloth is one again friendly with Amp. He highlights both GL and I as scum and reiterates that it isn't wifom to look into HP's death and use it as evidence.

Eloth, on 23 May 2014 - 12:01 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 23 May 2014 - 11:24 AM, said:

snip
You appear to be trying, but rather than really contributing some solid information or pushing a case driven idea, you're selling WIFOM. The underlined is more of it. You call it evidence, I call it speculation that will get us next to no where.

edit: forgot red color on last part

Not a lot I can do beyond give you my opinion on who is suspicious/scum, I am suspicious of both Denul and GL and willing to vote for either of them.

After the catastrophe of yesterday I thought people would slow down and take a look at why HP might have been lynched, but no one else seems much interested. How exactly is it WIFOM to posit that HP was killed because of his voiced negative impressions of 3 people?

He says to Galayn that he will CF as town and it will point to us being scum. A symp thing to say for sure.

Eloth, on 23 May 2014 - 12:11 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 23 May 2014 - 12:09 PM, said:

Full agreement with you I am, yes?

Killed Path of Hood was as talking sense he might be seen to be, powerful voice among us hmmm?

Of you Path of Hood 'voice negative impression' - this bad it seems, does it not?

Yes, and if I am killed, I will CF as town, and the spot light falls on both of you I look forward for that silver lining at least if I do end up going down.

Here is Eloth voting for me. It is Amp's reply that has me interested.

Ampelas, on 23 May 2014 - 01:06 PM, said:

Eloth, on 23 May 2014 - 10:03 AM, said:

Denul is behaving like someone who is not worried in the slightest about getting NKed. With how often he is posting and how many half baked opinions he feels confident sharing and throwing votes on as many people as he can, it makes me wonder whether he is scum, symp, or simply useful for the scum to keep around.

He agreed with me that putting pressure on Sukul is a good vote, and votes on Barghast for the exact same reason 59 minutes later he agrees that it is a bad tactic, what the hell? He puts pressure on Pallid while saying he finds it unlikely Pallid is scum and quotes posts that he himself has previously stated to be joke posts like he is building a case against Pallid. Not good play at all. Even if Pallid is a symp, misusing the posts of others is a awful way to go about trying to convince others to do that.

I don't understand how anyone could be so brazen in throwing accusations and votes all over the thread only to come out unscathed the next day without being scum or completely wrong.

HP voted for GL at the start of the day, we connect briefly over our desire to have more people contribute (I miss you you dead bastard!) Wonders about Denuls quick abandonment of a Pallid vote once Denul is threatened. Further attempts to bring GL into the limelight and GLs coasting RPing may be scum tactic. Criticises Denul once again. He leaves for a few hours then comes back on thread and agrees with the other people who are suspicious of me, I have already responded to this a few posts up. TL:DR for that post is he read a few of my statements incorrectly and disagreed with my suspicion of Denul.

Ok, if I cut the WIFOM out of your post, this is what is left. Ultimately, your case on Denul is he's been throwing a lot of shit around, hoping something will stick, and some of this vote choices have gone against his own advice on how to play. That's fair enough, but it doesn't strike me as particularily scummy. Symp-like, possible.

The WIFOM stuff, I mean, maybe scum killed HP at random and we can chase that road only to find it doesn't mean a damn thing. Let's just leave the "why skum killed so-and-so" stuff out of this.

So Eloth is still creating Wifom, which in itself is scummy, but Amp thinks of me as a symp. It's interesting because Amp is attacking Eloth here and it is before he reveals healer.

Um, I'm calling Eloth's argument crap and you "symp-at-best" based on the wifomless part. The underlined part: why is that interesting?

[Kaschan]

Right now I am perfectly happy where my vote is. GL has that bullshit BP reveal and then he voted for me at the beginning of the day based on being an illiterate fucking twat.

[Kaschan]

Ampelas, on 30 May 2014 - 12:50 PM, said:

Denul, on 30 May 2014 - 12:04 PM, said:

Day 2 play by Eloth and Amp. Eloth responds to 2/3 votes on him, he replies to Hood's, Galayn's but ignores Amp's or doesn't mention it. So first quote here says he will respond to the accusations.

Eloth, on 23 May 2014 - 06:52 AM, said:

Why Lio? Why use the vig on Day fucking 1. We get it, it sucks to be lynched in the randomness of day 1. But it would have been so much better to have you die without using it, than to have the situation we have now...

Got to go asap, I will respond to the accusations against me later today, I'll just say this - I avoided making cases and joining in the slap fights because it was an incredibly banal (and short) Day 1.

Here is the start of those

http://forum.malazan...ost__p__1126422

GL votes for Eloth and then Amp also highlights a lot of wifom from Eloth (wifom is pure symp play, he focusing too much on the NK's) but Eloth is one again friendly with Amp. He highlights both GL and I as scum and reiterates that it isn't wifom to look into HP's death and use it as evidence.

Eloth, on 23 May 2014 - 12:01 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 23 May 2014 - 11:24 AM, said:

snip
You appear to be trying, but rather than really contributing some solid information or pushing a case driven idea, you're selling WIFOM. The underlined is more of it. You call it evidence, I call it speculation that will get us next to no where.

edit: forgot red color on last part

Not a lot I can do beyond give you my opinion on who is suspicious/scum, I am suspicious of both Denul and GL and willing to vote for either of them.

After the catastrophe of yesterday I thought people would slow down and take a look at why HP might have been lynched, but no one else seems much interested. How exactly is it WIFOM to posit that HP was killed because of his voiced negative impressions of 3 people?

He says to Galayn that he will CF as town and it will point to us being scum. A symp thing to say for sure.

Eloth, on 23 May 2014 - 12:11 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 23 May 2014 - 12:09 PM, said:

Full agreement with you I am, yes?

Killed Path of Hood was as talking sense he might be seen to be, powerful voice among us hmmm?

Of you Path of Hood 'voice negative impression' - this bad it seems, does it not?

Yes, and if I am killed, I will CF as town, and the spot light falls on both of you I look forward for that silver lining at least if I do end up going down.

Here is Eloth voting for me. It is Amp's reply that has me interested.

Ampelas, on 23 May 2014 - 01:06 PM, said:

Eloth, on 23 May 2014 - 10:03 AM, said:

Denul is behaving like someone who is not worried in the slightest about getting NKed. With how often he is posting and how many half baked opinions he feels confident sharing and throwing votes on as many people as he can, it makes me wonder whether he is scum, symp, or simply useful for the scum to keep around.

He agreed with me that putting pressure on Sukul is a good vote, and votes on Barghast for the exact same reason 59 minutes later he agrees that it is a bad tactic, what the hell? He puts pressure on Pallid while saying he finds it unlikely Pallid is scum and quotes posts that he himself has previously stated to be joke posts like he is building a case against Pallid. Not good play at all. Even if Pallid is a symp, misusing the posts of others is a awful way to go about trying to convince others to do that.

I don't understand how anyone could be so brazen in throwing accusations and votes all over the thread only to come out unscathed the next day without being scum or completely wrong.

HP voted for GL at the start of the day, we connect briefly over our desire to have more people contribute (I miss you you dead bastard!) Wonders about Denuls quick abandonment of a Pallid vote once Denul is threatened. Further attempts to bring GL into the limelight and GLs coasting RPing may be scum tactic. Criticises Denul once again. He leaves for a few hours then comes back on thread and agrees with the other people who are suspicious of me, I have already responded to this a few posts up. TL:DR for that post is he read a few of my statements incorrectly and disagreed with my suspicion of Denul.

Ok, if I cut the WIFOM out of your post, this is what is left. Ultimately, your case on Denul is he's been throwing a lot of shit around, hoping something will stick, and some of this vote choices have gone against his own advice on how to play. That's fair enough, but it doesn't strike me as particularily scummy. Symp-like, possible.

The WIFOM stuff, I mean, maybe scum killed HP at random and we can chase that road only to find it doesn't mean a damn thing. Let's just leave the "why skum killed so-and-so" stuff out of this.

So Eloth is still creating Wifom, which in itself is scummy, but Amp thinks of me as a symp. It's interesting because Amp is attacking Eloth here and it is before he reveals healer.

Um, I'm calling Eloth's argument crap and you "symp-at-best" based on the wifomless part. The underlined part: why is that interesting?

I agree with Amp. Eloth all game has been scummy. That was why he was going to be lynched before his "reveal".

[Ampelas]

Kaschan, on 30 May 2014 - 12:50 PM, said:

Right now I am perfectly happy where my vote is. GL has that bullshit BP reveal and then he voted for me at the beginning of the day based on being an illiterate fucking twat.

If GL is scum, who do you see as his partner?

[Kaschan]

Galayn Lord, on 29 May 2014 - 11:13 PM, said:

Vote Kaschan

II'm travelling tomorrow and may not be around, hence the early vote. Eloth surviving again is ugh, we should have just lynched him the first time round and been done with it.

Also who the fuck votes early on the day going into a weekend break. It isn't like we are well known for being able to finish a game quickly. I mean seriously this vote and his reasoning are scummy.

[Kaschan]

Ampelas, on 30 May 2014 - 12:53 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 30 May 2014 - 12:50 PM, said:

Right now I am perfectly happy where my vote is. GL has that bullshit BP reveal and then he voted for me at the beginning of the day based on being an illiterate fucking twat.

If GL is scum, who do you see as his partner?

You or Barghast or Pallid. I think that Denul is most likely a symp and I am on the fence with Eloth. I doubt that both him and GL are scum. If they are that is the ballsiest fucking move I have ever seen.

[Pallid]

I'll admit to having something of a blind spot regarding GL, based on rp shenanigans day 1 and a reveal that just seems so random and bizarre for a killer to do. When it came out I don't recall any pressure on him or on a player linked to the healer questions, it made no sense as a scum play.

if he is a killer I doff my hat for having the halls.to fuck about in a manner that is proven to irritate the fuck out of a lot of players. But I think it suits a denul.symp call.

still feeling the Amp vote but I'm not so intractable that I wouldn't change, its still.early doors

[Pallid]

cross post with kasch, taking myself.of his list that leaves a GL, Amp barghast trio, unsurprisingly Id be willing to chase Amp most out of that three

[Ampelas]

Pallid, on 30 May 2014 - 01:03 PM, said:

cross post with kasch, taking myself.of his list that leaves a GL, Amp barghast trio, unsurprisingly Id be willing to chase Amp most out of that three

Can you state your reasons for that? If you follow through, we're lost.

[Pallid]

I've kind of been posting my reasoning on todays run constantly.....



as for in cross post with Kasch, you're a candidate that fits the bill from two angles

[Ampelas]

Pallid, on 30 May 2014 - 07:37 AM, said:

my own take on the game is split between two widely different approaches, and thus where I vote will be a difficult decision. We have plenty of time and I really don't like this rush to lump on Kaschan (although on one hand he's one of my suspects). It smacks of a run to end the game quickly.

however if eloth is lying I suspect GL is telling the truth and vice versa so those two on the train gives me pause.
Eloth protecting Amp only clears Amp if there's a no kill (assuming GL is telling the truth) in which case he hasn't been cleared at all.
Kaschan is getting indignant, which could be simply caused by misrepresentation by amp, but he has flitted under the radar all game and is the last left.of the not around at reveal time. I need to go.back.and check if he was an advocate of the eloth lynch yesterday
Barghast has the vote post reveal on eloth, but to me the bugaboo around him seems to be the survived lynch, which dragged in nimander into suspicion (at best a dead symp, unknown therefore irrelevant)
Denul I've been butting heads with all game which I seem to do with one player virtually every game and this clouds my judgement considerably
GL, lumls on Kasch early, eary game rping makes me think town.



so from that I don't think GL was lying, which means Amp hasn't been clear at all. The question remains is Eloth telling the truth or is he scum/symp?
today hinges entirely on this in my mind because if he's a lying then bam we have a clear cut set of targets, if not then his list seems entirely reasonable.
now off his scum list Id be most inclined to vote barghast/kasch (I know I know, but I cant see denul as scum, too verbose, a symp, but if a symp that rules barghast out as scum, blegh my heads spinning)

I think I'm tempted to push on Ampelas the 'healing' doesn't clear him, even if eloth is telling the truth, if eloth is lying in any shape or form it condemns him in my eyes. The only thing giving me pause is fear that eloth was lying and doubly playing us.





eta - posted incase browser crapped out, it was acting funny.

with holding vote for now, plenty of time, need more thinking

This, right? The thing is, even if Eloth is lying that doesn't logically lead to me being scum. If Eloth is scum, I'm his patsy.

[Kaschan]

Ampelas, on 30 May 2014 - 01:18 PM, said:

Pallid, on 30 May 2014 - 07:37 AM, said:

my own take on the game is split between two widely different approaches, and thus where I vote will be a difficult decision. We have plenty of time and I really don't like this rush to lump on Kaschan (although on one hand he's one of my suspects). It smacks of a run to end the game quickly.

however if eloth is lying I suspect GL is telling the truth and vice versa so those two on the train gives me pause.
Eloth protecting Amp only clears Amp if there's a no kill (assuming GL is telling the truth) in which case he hasn't been cleared at all.
Kaschan is getting indignant, which could be simply caused by misrepresentation by amp, but he has flitted under the radar all game and is the last left.of the not around at reveal time. I need to go.back.and check if he was an advocate of the eloth lynch yesterday
Barghast has the vote post reveal on eloth, but to me the bugaboo around him seems to be the survived lynch, which dragged in nimander into suspicion (at best a dead symp, unknown therefore irrelevant)
Denul I've been butting heads with all game which I seem to do with one player virtually every game and this clouds my judgement considerably
GL, lumls on Kasch early, eary game rping makes me think town.



so from that I don't think GL was lying, which means Amp hasn't been clear at all. The question remains is Eloth telling the truth or is he scum/symp?
today hinges entirely on this in my mind because if he's a lying then bam we have a clear cut set of targets, if not then his list seems entirely reasonable.
now off his scum list Id be most inclined to vote barghast/kasch (I know I know, but I cant see denul as scum, too verbose, a symp, but if a symp that rules barghast out as scum, blegh my heads spinning)

I think I'm tempted to push on Ampelas the 'healing' doesn't clear him, even if eloth is telling the truth, if eloth is lying in any shape or form it condemns him in my eyes. The only thing giving me pause is fear that eloth was lying and doubly playing us.





eta - posted incase browser crapped out, it was acting funny.

with holding vote for now, plenty of time, need more thinking

This, right? The thing is, even if Eloth is lying that doesn't logically lead to me being scum. If Eloth is scum, I'm his patsy.

Yes that could be true but if Eloth is scum then you could also be his scum partner who he is trying to RI.