[Path-Shaper]

Pallid, on 28 May 2014 - 05:10 PM, said:

what was sukul PS?

Sorry, no CFs on modkills.

I thought there used to be something in the rules that said this, but I can't find it.

[Pallid]

well fuck that doesn't help us at all, just have to forget it and move on.

[Kaschan]

Denul, on 28 May 2014 - 10:23 AM, said:

Eloth, on 28 May 2014 - 10:23 AM, said:

Pallid, on 28 May 2014 - 10:21 AM, said:

I'm knocking about, I'd love to know who the 7 users online are

I'd hazard a guess that this is why there are rules in place so we have to log in anonymously

It's so scum can lurk, it benefits them that no lynch is happening.

This seems to be a very weird statement. Scum want lynches as much as if not more then town do. Especially if they are not the ones being lynched. How do you figure that a no lynch benefits scum?

I feel like you have been a helpful towny and making points but every so often you drop a line that is full of completely wrong reasoning and it starts to make me suspicious of you again.

[Kaschan]

Ampelas, on 28 May 2014 - 07:10 AM, said:

Well, based on 2 scum and a possible symp being alive, it's not the end of the world if we dont' get a lynch today. Two wrong lynches and two NK's means it's game over (nod to Nimander ). We can get an NK tonight to narrow the field, and still have two more days to get a correct lynch.

This is very interesting wording. Usually a town player would say something like, If there is a nk tonight then that would help to narrow the field. Not We can. It isn't very much but the wording there seems a little off to me.

[Atrahal]

Eloth, on 28 May 2014 - 10:58 AM, said:

Pallid, on 28 May 2014 - 10:51 AM, said:

well since we're basically on day 2 again, with a healer reveal thrown in.

I want to know why Barghast voted a claimed healer. I want to know why the lurkers wouldn't pull the trigger on a lynch

I want to know who our healer protected, and the reasoning behind the choice




eta forgot the word 'pull'

As for the reasoning of why ampelas instead of someone else for the next night, a few reasons;
1. A bunch of people are low posting nobodies, any NK on them would be baseless and even harmful to scum since a few of us are willing to lynch them ourselves.
2. Denul/GL not going to heal for I hope painfully obvious reasons
3. Nimander/Barghast/Kaschan haven't made an impression on me as being sensible town players.

Was close to healing pallid but Ampelas has been more of a calming/focussing force in the thread to date and we would feel his loss more IMO.

Healer reveals are always suspect. Killer reveals healer, withholds kill at some point, becomes VPI.
Also, what has a killer to lose by switching to the healer unless he can self-heal?

[Kaschan]

Atrahal, on 28 May 2014 - 09:00 PM, said:

Eloth, on 28 May 2014 - 10:58 AM, said:

Pallid, on 28 May 2014 - 10:51 AM, said:

well since we're basically on day 2 again, with a healer reveal thrown in.

I want to know why Barghast voted a claimed healer. I want to know why the lurkers wouldn't pull the trigger on a lynch

I want to know who our healer protected, and the reasoning behind the choice




eta forgot the word 'pull'

As for the reasoning of why ampelas instead of someone else for the next night, a few reasons;
1. A bunch of people are low posting nobodies, any NK on them would be baseless and even harmful to scum since a few of us are willing to lynch them ourselves.
2. Denul/GL not going to heal for I hope painfully obvious reasons
3. Nimander/Barghast/Kaschan haven't made an impression on me as being sensible town players.

Was close to healing pallid but Ampelas has been more of a calming/focussing force in the thread to date and we would feel his loss more IMO.

Healer reveals are always suspect. Killer reveals healer, withholds kill at some point, becomes VPI.
Also, what has a killer to lose by switching to the healer unless he can self-heal?

That is the problem with a healer reveal. With a finder reveal it can be tested and verified. If they find scum they live if town lynches a town then the finder gets lynched the next day. But a healer if there is no finder in the game and they reveal then town is going to have to lynch them at some point just to make sure that they aren't a killer or a symp. It sucks but that is the smart play.

[Atrahal]

Vote Eloth

I for one think the clearing up of wifom surrounding Eloth is more important than keeping that wifom around, hoping he is town. His claimed role is furthermore such that it has a luck based element to it, unlike a finder, guard or vig.

[Atrahal]

@ Kaschan: exactly.

[Ampelas]

Atrahal, on 28 May 2014 - 09:10 PM, said:

Vote Eloth

I for one think the clearing up of wifom surrounding Eloth is more important than keeping that wifom around, hoping he is town. His claimed role is furthermore such that it has a luck based element to it, unlike a finder, guard or vig.

Rather than "hope", what do you think? In your mind, is he more likely town or scum?

If he's more likely town, then just voting him to clear the wifom is really risky because if he CFs town and an NK happens, we enter Day 4 with 7 players, WCS 3 scum and 4 town. That's making a scum lynch very difficult tomorrow, just for the sake of "clearing wifom" today.

I, for one, am fine with keeping him around at least for today and using the votes today to try and lynch someone we geuninely believe to be scum.

[Galayn Lord]

I can clear up why there was a no kill. Scum targetted me last night, but I had a BP. So it wasn't anything to do with Eloth healing Ampelas (if indeed that was the case), or scum witholding their kill.

I held off on revealing this so as to be able to judge a few reactions to the no-kill.

Now, there were a couple of posts I wanted to respond to...

[Galayn Lord]

Pallid, on 28 May 2014 - 10:39 AM, said:

who'd you heal last night eloth?

It's iffy to be sure, but perhaps Denul raises an interesting point here. Pallid does ask this less than one minute after PS reveals there was no kill. Thinking about it as Pallid as killer, then Pallid would be asking if Eloth healed ME, and that's why I didn't die. If Eloth said anyone else, then, (for scum) there's the possibility of thinking that either 1) Eloth is a healer but something else prevented their kill of me; or 2) Something else prevented their kill of me, and Eloth might be a symp pretending to be a healer.


It also relates to why I may have been chosen for the kill. Ok, yes, this is pure speculation, but I would hazard I was chosen because scum thought I would be the least likely person to be healed by Eloth, as he hates my guts. If we believe that, then it adds strength to Eloth's claim (or at least strengthens the case for him not being a killer).

[Galayn Lord]

Denul, on 28 May 2014 - 11:46 AM, said:

Nimander was very active coming in to the end of day, Eloth reveals 13 minutes after his last post and Nimander disappears.

Ultimately the reason we did not get a lynch on day 2.

Vote Nimander

I am sorry but we need to lynch today, 2 days without one is fucking terrible.

Denul, on 28 May 2014 - 11:53 AM, said:

Okay, say I am scum.


Would I have chosen Amp as the night kill? Nope. He is the only one who hasn't been thinking I am scum, he is a threat to scum for sure.

Say you are scum, you revealed to save your arse and are now trying to PI Ampelas.

The NK gives too much headache, if we are to stop focusing on the night kill then why did we not lynch again on day 2?

Nimander is one reason because he disappeared after your reveal.

Kaschan/Sukul didn't vote but were not around at all towards end of day. So these are less likely scum suspects imo.

Your "reveal". I am on the fence, it saved your life, at what cost? Scum cannot afford to let you live but you are alive.

Barghast was on the chopping block over me, posible scum and that's why the lynch failed.

I am less likely to want to vote you today Eloth, but the more you stay alive, the more paranoid I'm going to become.

Nimander gets my vote because he was around, and he should have voted.

remove vote

vote Nimander

Denul votes Nimander today, then removes vote and votes Nimander again. I have to ask, why? Did you think you were voting for someone else? And if so, who?

[Pallid]

well saying eloth wouldn't heal you is logical enough after your bizzare rp antics, as for the post time, ~shrug~ it is what it is, if you think its more than me turning up just as ps had posted it vote for me, but I've answered it with Denul.already

this is an interesting reveal as I had amp as vpi in my head based on Eloths actions, but it throws the whole thing in a loop again.

I still think scum will be found in the not present at reveal club, or denul, and with sukul gone the field has narrowed, of those Atrahal has just voted our claimed healer to 'clear up the wifom'
I realy need to go back and look at ampelas reaction and play since eloths claim of protecting him,

but I'm going to bed, still have plenty of time on the clock

[Pallid]

of course you could be lying as well GL to bring amp out of the vpi stage, I wouldn't have thought of you as a kill candidate, rpers are usually an easy scapegoat, unless you touched a nerve somewhere. More reading for me,

goodnight folks

[Denul]

Just a quick one before bed. Emphasis. I voted him twice to show how angry I am at him ☺

[Galayn Lord]

Ampelas, on 28 May 2014 - 12:51 PM, said:

I'm curious of the vote on Nimander, tbh. On the one hand, the lynch perhaps failed because Nimander bugged out, so yeah, that's scummy. But doesn't that mean that Barghast is likely scum? Scum tend to want lynches as much as town to bring the game closer to their VC. If they put in a kill order (most likely), they coudln't ahve known it would fail. If Bargy is inno, and Nimander is scum, he's gonna hammer. But if Bargy is scum, that raises the question whether he will or not. Remember, it was Nimander himself who pointed out that a townie lynch and an NK would put it to D-Day today, possibly.

I think these are interesting points.

It made me think of Nimander writing that silly statement - which they themselves then proceeded to call a stupid statement and designed to get people's attention before anyone had even commented on it. But to what purpose was it designed to get people's attention, other than calling him out and then possibly suspecting him? It almost now reads like a slip up which then Nimander hastily tried to cover up by calling it a deliberate ploy.

[Galayn Lord]

Barghast, on 28 May 2014 - 01:32 PM, said:

Hold it together. This is exactly what we don't need. Yes, I feel strongly that you could be scum, but I don't know for sure, thus this type of attitude isn't helping. I even understand. I feel the same way to an extent. I've stepped up my game and played my best in my opinion. I've went after most likely scum and tried to be active enough to prevent scum from using us to hide amongst, but it's obviously gotten me nowhere.

It's quite possible that scum are lurking in the back allowing us to rip each other apart. Keep it together for a while longer.

As for Eloth, it's possible he's lying, but if he wasn't then my best guess(wifom of course) is that my failed lynch left scum with a perfect choice for lynch for today, and possibly went for Ampelas in order to make it seem even more likely that I should be lynched. This keeps them from getting attention for another day. Of course, it's all purely speculation, but it's the one scenario that backs up Eloth's claim in my mind.

On another note, I find it quite suspicious that Kaschan pops up shortly after the day ends. If he's town, he probably goes ahead and hammers, whether he felt I was scum or not. If he's scum though, he would know I'm innocent, therefore it's possible he didn't want to be seen as the hammer, especially since he hadn't posted and it would have been a hammer vote out of nowhere.

I'm busy for the next 8 or so hours, and we have plenty of time. There's not much to do except wait to hear from everyone. As for me, I've given all I can up to this point.

This post really has me divided. On the one hand, those first two paragraphs are UGH. That whole, "hey man, I know how you feel, I've been trying super hard too, we're both on the same team yeah, let's work together through this" spiel reads scummy as hell to me, so sickeningly ingratiating is it.

On the other hand, this post is the kind of reason why I left off revealing my info straight away today. Here, Barghast speculates on the reasons for scum targetting Ampelas. Scum themselves know they did no such thing. If Barghy was a killer, this would be pretty convoluted reasoning for them.

[Galayn Lord]

Kaschan, on 28 May 2014 - 02:00 PM, said:

Pallid, on 28 May 2014 - 01:39 PM, said:

so you're saying you weren't here to change your night kill target to eloth?



eta @ kaschan.

was a crosspost

Sarcasm
My god you caught me out. I wasn't here to change my night kill. Well done you win the game. I also wasn't here to get a lynch. By god since you caught me out as scum I probably would have wanted to have done that don't you think.
Sarcasm

Asking those kinds of questions is just being a twit. We have all played the game. Scum isn't going to be stupid enough to say on thread who they targeted. Asking a question like that just makes you look like a moron. Someone who isn't actually trying to do anything other then to attempt to appear to be doing something. I have seen you ask those retarded types of questions in previous games. Please do your self a favor and stop asking them going forward. They do town no good and make you look like a moron. Do you like looking like a moron?

Actually, I would argue that asking those types of questions does the job of highlighting players for others to think about.

[Galayn Lord]

Denul, on 28 May 2014 - 03:05 PM, said:

Voting Analysis.

Kaschan has not voted on day one or two.

Atrahal and Nimander did not vote day one.

Day two Atrahal voted Eloth and did not change. Nimander voted Sukul first but later changed to Eloth and did not remove.

Up until day 2 timeout votes:


Eloth has voted the most players 6; Pallid, Sukul, Liosan, Denul, Galayn Lord, Barghast

Denul has voted for 4 players; Fener, Liosan, Barghast and Atrahal

Amp has voted for 4 players; Liosan, Eloth, Nimander and Barghast

Pallid has voted 3 player; Liosan, Eloth and Barghast

Barghast has voted 3 players; Liosan, Denul and Eloth

Galayn Lord has voted 3 players; Fener, Eloth and Barghast

If anything, this vote analysis makes me see Eloth as a killer even less. Sure, a symp might jump about that much with their votes, but killers are usually more deliberate, lest they stand out just as Eloth does here.

[Path-Shaper]

It is now Day 3. There are 24 hours 2 minutes remaining.

9 players are alive: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kaschan, Nimander Golit, Pallid

6 votes to lynch. 5 votes to go to night.

1 vote Nimander Golit: Denul
1 vote Denul: Pallid
1 vote Eloth: Atrahal

Not voted: Ampelas, Barghast, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kaschan, Nimander Golit