[Galayn Lord]

Kaschan, on 28 May 2014 - 08:35 PM, said:

Denul, on 28 May 2014 - 10:23 AM, said:

Eloth, on 28 May 2014 - 10:23 AM, said:

Pallid, on 28 May 2014 - 10:21 AM, said:

I'm knocking about, I'd love to know who the 7 users online are

I'd hazard a guess that this is why there are rules in place so we have to log in anonymously

It's so scum can lurk, it benefits them that no lynch is happening.

This seems to be a very weird statement. Scum want lynches as much as if not more then town do. Especially if they are not the ones being lynched. How do you figure that a no lynch benefits scum?

I feel like you have been a helpful towny and making points but every so often you drop a line that is full of completely wrong reasoning and it starts to make me suspicious of you again.

Actually, THIS seems a very weird statement to me. Lynching is (or, perhaps rather, should be) a town power. As a result, town want lynches more. Scum have the kill ability, right, so they always have another way of knocking off players even if there is a no lynch, while town (as a whole, discounting finders and the like) only have that one method available to them as a group with which to eliminate suspects.

In addition, what is meant by, 'Especially if they are not the ones being lynched.' This seems a redundant statement, seemingly designed to strengthen the previous statement but actually just looks foolish - of course scum would not want lynches if they are the ones being lynched (indeed, the way it's worded, Kas seems to actually suggest that to some extent scum would still want a lynch even if they were the ones up on the scaffold!).

A no lynch can benefit scum in a way that it does not benefit town - by continuing to keep the list of suspects high for them to hide in. Not to mention (even though I'm about to), of course, that if they indeed are the ones on the chopping block, the no lynch would certainly benefit them.

In sum, Kaschan's post seems to attempt to heap pressure, but instead damages himself with its own dodgy reasoning.

[Ampelas]

One question, GL. If you were carefully holding off on your reveal, why now, with 24 hours left on the clock? Nimander hasn't reappeared, so now you've missed the opportunity to see what he might have said.

[Galayn Lord]

Kaschan, on 28 May 2014 - 08:39 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 28 May 2014 - 07:10 AM, said:

Well, based on 2 scum and a possible symp being alive, it's not the end of the world if we dont' get a lynch today. Two wrong lynches and two NK's means it's game over (nod to Nimander ). We can get an NK tonight to narrow the field, and still have two more days to get a correct lynch.

This is very interesting wording. Usually a town player would say something like, If there is a nk tonight then that would help to narrow the field. Not We can. It isn't very much but the wording there seems a little off to me.

Contrastingly, I'm nodding with Kas here. Scum have been lynched before on the basis of similar types of wording. Not exactly iron-clad, but a read up on Ampelas certainly wouldn't hurt anyone just in case.

[Galayn Lord]

Ampelas, on 28 May 2014 - 10:42 PM, said:

One question, GL. If you were carefully holding off on your reveal, why now, with 24 hours left on the clock? Nimander hasn't reappeared, so now you've missed the opportunity to see what he might have said.

I'm aware, and it's unfortunate, yes, but it's because I know I won't be around for almost all of tomorrow. This is my one opportunity on this day to post quite a bit.

[Galayn Lord]

Atrahal, on 28 May 2014 - 09:00 PM, said:

Eloth, on 28 May 2014 - 10:58 AM, said:

Pallid, on 28 May 2014 - 10:51 AM, said:

well since we're basically on day 2 again, with a healer reveal thrown in.

I want to know why Barghast voted a claimed healer. I want to know why the lurkers wouldn't pull the trigger on a lynch

I want to know who our healer protected, and the reasoning behind the choice




eta forgot the word 'pull'

As for the reasoning of why ampelas instead of someone else for the next night, a few reasons;
1. A bunch of people are low posting nobodies, any NK on them would be baseless and even harmful to scum since a few of us are willing to lynch them ourselves.
2. Denul/GL not going to heal for I hope painfully obvious reasons
3. Nimander/Barghast/Kaschan haven't made an impression on me as being sensible town players.

Was close to healing pallid but Ampelas has been more of a calming/focussing force in the thread to date and we would feel his loss more IMO.

Healer reveals are always suspect. Killer reveals healer, withholds kill at some point, becomes VPI.
Also, what has a killer to lose by switching to the healer unless he can self-heal?

Kaschan, on 28 May 2014 - 09:10 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 28 May 2014 - 09:00 PM, said:

Eloth, on 28 May 2014 - 10:58 AM, said:

Pallid, on 28 May 2014 - 10:51 AM, said:

well since we're basically on day 2 again, with a healer reveal thrown in.

I want to know why Barghast voted a claimed healer. I want to know why the lurkers wouldn't pull the trigger on a lynch

I want to know who our healer protected, and the reasoning behind the choice




eta forgot the word 'pull'

As for the reasoning of why ampelas instead of someone else for the next night, a few reasons;
1. A bunch of people are low posting nobodies, any NK on them would be baseless and even harmful to scum since a few of us are willing to lynch them ourselves.
2. Denul/GL not going to heal for I hope painfully obvious reasons
3. Nimander/Barghast/Kaschan haven't made an impression on me as being sensible town players.

Was close to healing pallid but Ampelas has been more of a calming/focussing force in the thread to date and we would feel his loss more IMO.

Healer reveals are always suspect. Killer reveals healer, withholds kill at some point, becomes VPI.
Also, what has a killer to lose by switching to the healer unless he can self-heal?

That is the problem with a healer reveal. With a finder reveal it can be tested and verified. If they find scum they live if town lynches a town then the finder gets lynched the next day. But a healer if there is no finder in the game and they reveal then town is going to have to lynch them at some point just to make sure that they aren't a killer or a symp. It sucks but that is the smart play.

Atrahal and Kaschan here both suggesting we move forward with an Eloth lynch. If we think of one/both of them as killers, then it looks like not wanting to risk missing out on another NK thanks to the healer picking the correct target. Self-heal is mentioned again, killers afraid that targetting Eloth directly might backfire?

[Galayn Lord]

Atrahal, Nimander, Kaschan, Barghast. That's my current top suspects list.

[Galayn Lord]

I won't vote before I can get in a re-read, which means my vote might not come till a lot closer to end of day. I'll also look forward to seeing what others have to say. So far, there's only been strong thoughts on Nimander, and a bit of relating back to Barghast's no lynch.

[Ampelas]

My thoughts are that the strongest lynch candidates are Nimander or Barghast, due to the end of yesterday. Trains and CFs on either of those two would provide beneficial information and connection possibilities.

[Ampelas]

Galayn Lord, on 28 May 2014 - 10:44 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 28 May 2014 - 08:39 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 28 May 2014 - 07:10 AM, said:

Well, based on 2 scum and a possible symp being alive, it's not the end of the world if we dont' get a lynch today. Two wrong lynches and two NK's means it's game over (nod to Nimander ). We can get an NK tonight to narrow the field, and still have two more days to get a correct lynch.

This is very interesting wording. Usually a town player would say something like, If there is a nk tonight then that would help to narrow the field. Not We can. It isn't very much but the wording there seems a little off to me.

Contrastingly, I'm nodding with Kas here. Scum have been lynched before on the basis of similar types of wording. Not exactly iron-clad, but a read up on Ampelas certainly wouldn't hurt anyone just in case.

Yeah, it was a callous way of wording it, but I was just stating the truth of the situation as in, getting a narrowed field isn't necessarily a bad thing. For instance, Sukul's modkill doesn't really change the worst-case D-day scenario, and it removes that low-posting-lurker question mark.

A side note reminder on that is Nimander was cool with going after Sukul yesterday, laying a vote down there.

[Path-Shaper]

It is now Day 3. There are 19 hours 3 minutes remaining.

9 players are alive: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kaschan, Nimander Golit, Pallid

6 votes to lynch. 5 votes to go to night.

1 vote Nimander Golit: Denul
1 vote Denul: Pallid
1 vote Eloth: Atrahal

Not voted: Ampelas, Barghast, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kaschan, Nimander Golit

[Nimander Golit]

bad day turned good day turned durnk.

Vote Amp


i;ll give reaons later

[Pallid]

one of the more spectacular drive bus we've seen. Quick morning catch up in the van.
I could get on board the atrahal/kaschan/nimander train outside of my dislike for denul. Of the three probably atrahal

[Ampelas]

Nimander Golit, on 29 May 2014 - 04:06 AM, said:

bad day turned good day turned durnk.

Vote Amp


i;ll give reaons later

can't wait!

[Eloth]

Nimander Golit, on 29 May 2014 - 04:06 AM, said:

bad day turned good day turned durnk.

Vote Amp


i;ll give reaons later

This is your first post after the reveal and all the attention that has come your way for your well timed absence? Your reasons will need to be very very convincing.

Regarding GL reveal, don't know whether or not to believe him, but how often are people actually informed that their BP has been activated?

[Pallid]

its common

[Eloth]

Pallid, on 29 May 2014 - 08:08 AM, said:

its common

So the question now is, should we believe him? I am obviously biased in this specific case so I will let everyone else decide in this instance.


For the moment I am happy to see what Nimander has to say, and if its lacking, vote for him.

[Pallid]

I'm wary of any reveals, yours included so I don't really know where to sit, I'm increasingly of the opinion you survived because day timed out so close to the reveal, nimabder fits the profile there and he's had questions asked of him, but is currently (I assume) lying pissed up somewhere

[Eloth]

Pallid, on 29 May 2014 - 08:30 AM, said:

I'm wary of any reveals, yours included so I don't really know where to sit, I'm increasingly of the opinion you survived because day timed out so close to the reveal, nimabder fits the profile there and he's had questions asked of him, but is currently (I assume) lying pissed up somewhere

I think that is the most likely reason for my survival as well. As for being wary of my reveal, that is the sensible course of action. If I survive tonight I will be somewhat surprised.

[Atrahal]

Galayn Lord, on 28 May 2014 - 10:52 PM, said:

Atrahal, Nimander, Kaschan, Barghast. That's my current top suspects list.

Actually replying to the post above this one, but can't be done from a phone, too many quoteblocks.

what did you do, a ctrl+f on self-heal? In the context, it is quite clear that what I mean, is that a revealed healer ought to be a dead healer as self-healing (usually only allowed if there's a healer-pair) is the only thing that can stop a kill. And self-healing is not allowed.

Second, healer reveals cannot be proven. That creates wifom and therefore, healer reveals are bad. Unless there's a code, or a partner, to verify.

Third, a revealed healer is safe to remove by scum. So they always SHOULD.

Fourth, we have so far seen a ninja, a BP and a healer. On three gamedays. In a low TMDI game. Coincidence much?

I think Eloth is scum revealing healer, withholding a kill. I think there's enough doubt surrounding them to make that reveal unsafe. GL revealing BP (also unverifiable) might make the no-NK less suspicious, taking heat away from Eloth. I'd say that's no coincidence, but symp/fellow scum saving the day.

Otherwise, too many roles for aan easy game and too much coincidence and a whole lot of bad play and decisions by roled townies.

[Denul]

PS what is the TDMi of this game. I am assuming 2.

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TMDI:2 = As 1, but a small number of simple roles. Eg: 12 players, 2 Killers, Symp, Healer, BP/Vig.

We have 13 players playing this game.

Path-Shaper, on 21 May 2014 - 06:29 PM, said:

13 players are alive: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Fener, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Liosan, Nimander Golit, Pallid, Sukul Ankhadu

I do not see town having a Healer, Vig and a BP. Not in such a small game. I want to know other people's thoughts on this.

The reason behind it is I think one of them is lying.

Eloth, whilst you are here. Can you explain this to me? Here is the vote count before your reveal. We have 90 minutes and votes are hard to come by at this stage.

Denul, on 28 May 2014 - 09:00 AM, said:

90 minutes left in the day.

10 players are alive: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kaschan, Nimander Golit, Pallid, Sukul Ankhadu

6 votes to lynch. 5 votes to go to night.

4 votes Eloth: Galayn Lord, Atrahal, Nimander, Pallid
2 vote Barghast: Denul, Ampelas
1 vote Galayn Lord: Eloth
1 vote Denul: Barghast
Not voted: Kaschan, Sukul Ankhadu

You reveal and then vote me.

Eloth, on 28 May 2014 - 09:09 AM, said:

I will save you all the time waiting for the CF and hope scum are asleep.

Lynching me is a fucking bad idea because I'm the fucking HEALER.

Remove Vote

Vote Denul
GL doesn't seem to be attracting as much attention as I'd like, I think both him and Denul are scum, but as a number of others have already stated they are also uneasy/dislike Denul's play, maybe we can do this in the time left. Doubt it, but even if my reveal buys us a day with no lynch and I am NKed, that staves off WCS for another day.

Edit: Bolded vote

Why not Barghast?