[Path-Shaper]

It is now Day 5. 10 hours 47 minutes remaining.

6 players are alive: Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kaschan, Pallid

4 votes to lynch, 3 votes to go to night.

1 vote Kaschan: Pallid
2 votes Denul: Eloth, Kaschan


Players not voted: Barghast, Denul, Galayn Lord

[Galayn Lord]

The feeling I have is that one of Kaschan and Barghast is scum, but not both, unless they have (or, rather, Kaschan has) done some major distancing. I'll try to find some time in a bit to go through the pros and cons of them properly.


The thought I have, currently, is a scenario where Barghast is scum, with Sukul having been their partner, and Nimander their symp. Not sure how strong that is. Eloth surviving comes down to them either wanting to create drama around Eloth, or, at least at first, suspecting that they might be the symp, because Eloth consistently put Barghast low down on their suspect list.

[Galayn Lord]

The above may change as I look over a few more things, but that's what I'm currently thinking.

[Galayn Lord]

The reason why I think Denul is town:


On day 4 he was by far the prime mover against Ampelas. He talked about little else but Ampelas being scum ("90% sure", etc.). If he was scum, that sort of play would only make sense if it had been D-day. But whether a symp or a killer, Denul would have known that yesterday could not have been D-day - therefore to my thinking such a bulldog-like display doesn't fit within the scum mould.



Of course, that is a bit undermined by his similar play today against Eloth, when today could very well be D-day if there are two scum present. But the question persists: Why do it the day before?

[Denul]

It's lazy of Kaschan to just point a finger and say scum like he just did. On day one I was very vocal, and have been the entire game. I have rp'd and I have voted practically everyone, I have showed my desires to get a lynch every single day. So if he thinks of me as symp (which he does and has said as much) then that leads to 1 killer being dead (Sukul) and he has not gone back and looked at any of that. If he firmly believes that I am symp then he has the foundation to back and look at scum.

I am not a symp and this would be a false thing to do but it would be at least a town thing to do.

My problem is that he could just have time constraints but he has come back and answered a few things. I don't want to lose the game by voting a disinterested town player which Kaschan has struck me to be.

At the same time, he has had zero pressure throughout the whole game. This is ideal for scum because they don't have to defend themselves.

If I throw my lot in and think of Eloth as a healer then I will vote for Kaschan.

But, I don't think I am going to vote today.


I think narrowing the field by one will give me personally a better read on who is scum. If I die then at least it removes that element of doubt for the rest of you.

If I do die tonight, and you(town) believe Eloth then lynch Kaschan. If I die and you don't believe Eloth then lynch him or Pallid.


This is against all of what you are saying but I don't see the rush in finishing the game early after putting all this effort in to it.

Eloth and Pallid are backing each other up.

Kaschan is acting scummy but doesn't mean he is scum

Galayn is either "pretending to look townie" by you know looking townie or he is actually town

Barghast, where is Barghast? Such an important day for us and he is absent.

Leaving me to second guess myself all game day.

The above is a lazy read of players by me.

I care just enough to not vote myself and let scum hammer.

[Barghast]

Galayn Lord, on 03 June 2014 - 02:37 PM, said:

The feeling I have is that one of Kaschan and Barghast is scum, but not both, unless they have (or, rather, Kaschan has) done some major distancing. I'll try to find some time in a bit to go through the pros and cons of them properly.


The thought I have, currently, is a scenario where Barghast is scum, with Sukul having been their partner, and Nimander their symp. Not sure how strong that is. Eloth surviving comes down to them either wanting to create drama around Eloth, or, at least at first, suspecting that they might be the symp, because Eloth consistently put Barghast low down on their suspect list.

Galayn Lord, on 03 June 2014 - 02:52 PM, said:

The reason why I think Denul is town:


On day 4 he was by far the prime mover against Ampelas. He talked about little else but Ampelas being scum ("90% sure", etc.). If he was scum, that sort of play would only make sense if it had been D-day. But whether a symp or a killer, Denul would have known that yesterday could not have been D-day - therefore to my thinking such a bulldog-like display doesn't fit within the scum mould.



Of course, that is a bit undermined by his similar play today against Eloth, when today could very well be D-day if there are two scum present. But the question persists: Why do it the day before?

e]

Honestly GL, for me, you're my top suspect, but if you really are town, then you and I are bumping heads needlessly. I've given as much thought to this game as I can. I can come up with good reasons why every single person left could be a good case for scum. As far as GL is concerned, I just don't trust the BP reveal. It seems like town having a healer, a ninja vig, and a BP is a bit much. It HAS to be something fishy going on. But I'm not just interested in killing one scum, just to not be able to find another one, assuming there is two left. So your defending Denul helps seal my vote for Denul. He stopped posting as much at the end, after going after eveyone like a madman the whole game. Then the night vote is super scummy. We don't need to allow scum ANY chance at night. He says to let them kill one of us off, as per the even/odd rule, but they could just not kill again, and we're right in the same spot again tomorrow. I'm going with Denul. In the end, we're going to need a little bit of luck as well. And we're nearing the end of the day. I'm on lunch break and not sure if I'll make it back before day ends.

I hope to come back to Denul being either the only scum, or one of them. GL, if Denul is scum though, nothing, NOTHING will change my mind that you are the other one.

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Vote Denul

[Eloth]

Denul, on 03 June 2014 - 03:06 PM, said:

It's lazy of Kaschan to just point a finger and say scum like he just did. On day one I was very vocal, and have been the entire game. I have rp'd and I have voted practically everyone, I have showed my desires to get a lynch every single day. So if he thinks of me as symp (which he does and has said as much) then that leads to 1 killer being dead (Sukul) and he has not gone back and looked at any of that. If he firmly believes that I am symp then he has the foundation to back and look at scum.

I am not a symp and this would be a false thing to do but it would be at least a town thing to do.

My problem is that he could just have time constraints but he has come back and answered a few things. I don't want to lose the game by voting a disinterested town player which Kaschan has struck me to be.

At the same time, he has had zero pressure throughout the whole game. This is ideal for scum because they don't have to defend themselves.

If I throw my lot in and think of Eloth as a healer then I will vote for Kaschan.

But, I don't think I am going to vote today.


I think narrowing the field by one will give me personally a better read on who is scum. If I die then at least it removes that element of doubt for the rest of you.

If I do die tonight, and you(town) believe Eloth then lynch Kaschan. If I die and you don't believe Eloth then lynch him or Pallid.


This is against all of what you are saying but I don't see the rush in finishing the game early after putting all this effort in to it.

Eloth and Pallid are backing each other up.

Pallid has me as one of the two remaining scum Denul. He has explicitly corrected you on this issue.

Kaschan is acting scummy but doesn't mean he is scum

Galayn is either "pretending to look townie" by you know looking townie or he is actually town

Barghast, where is Barghast? Such an important day for us and he is absent.

Leaving me to second guess myself all game day.

The above is a lazy read of players by me.

I care just enough to not vote myself and let scum hammer.

Pallid, on 03 June 2014 - 09:32 AM, said:

Eloths my number 2 suspect and I'm buddying up with him?

ok, sure

I've got nothing to respond to here, its entirely aimed at Eloth, he is the claimed healer who has said his death PI's me, I've not mentioned it because I think the idea of going to night is ludacris, all its going to do is cause another wifom storm regardless of who (if anyone) dies. If we assume 2 killers this is d-day, this is where we stop them.

Edit: Fixed spelling

This post has been edited by Eloth: 03 June 2014 - 03:15 PM

[Kaschan]

Denul, on 03 June 2014 - 03:06 PM, said:

It's lazy of Kaschan to just point a finger and say scum like he just did. On day one I was very vocal, and have been the entire game. I have rp'd and I have voted practically everyone, I have showed my desires to get a lynch every single day. So if he thinks of me as symp (which he does and has said as much) then that leads to 1 killer being dead (Sukul) and he has not gone back and looked at any of that. If he firmly believes that I am symp then he has the foundation to back and look at scum.

I am not a symp and this would be a false thing to do but it would be at least a town thing to do.

My problem is that he could just have time constraints but he has come back and answered a few things. I don't want to lose the game by voting a disinterested town player which Kaschan has struck me to be.

At the same time, he has had zero pressure throughout the whole game. This is ideal for scum because they don't have to defend themselves.

If I throw my lot in and think of Eloth as a healer then I will vote for Kaschan.

But, I don't think I am going to vote today.


I think narrowing the field by one will give me personally a better read on who is scum. If I die then at least it removes that element of doubt for the rest of you.

If I do die tonight, and you(town) believe Eloth then lynch Kaschan. If I die and you don't believe Eloth then lynch him or Pallid.


This is against all of what you are saying but I don't see the rush in finishing the game early after putting all this effort in to it.

Eloth and Pallid are backing each other up.

Kaschan is acting scummy but doesn't mean he is scum

Galayn is either "pretending to look townie" by you know looking townie or he is actually town

Barghast, where is Barghast? Such an important day for us and he is absent.

Leaving me to second guess myself all game day.

The above is a lazy read of players by me.

I care just enough to not vote myself and let scum hammer.

I reject the fact that I have had zero pressure. I have at different times had multiple players up my ass. There are no players left who are not lynchable at this point and not been under pressure in the game. It isn't that I am lazy it is that I am incredibly busy today and not able to post a repeat of either what I have previously said or what other players have previously said.

[Galayn Lord]

We're on L-1 with 8 hours to go - someone want to remove?


Barghast - if Denul is scum then yes, I can see why I would be the next target. I'm probably the guy he's least butted heads with. However, you just put him at L-1 with 8 hours to go, offering little else in the way of opinion other than lining me up as the next lynch target (easy to say Denul is symp if he turns up RI).

[Kaschan]

Galayn Lord, on 03 June 2014 - 03:19 PM, said:

We're on L-1 with 8 hours to go - someone want to remove?


Barghast - if Denul is scum then yes, I can see why I would be the next target. I'm probably the guy he's least butted heads with. However, you just put him at L-1 with 8 hours to go, offering little else in the way of opinion other than lining me up as the next lynch target (easy to say Denul is symp if he turns up RI).

Remove vote

[Denul]

Barghast, on 03 June 2014 - 03:12 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 03 June 2014 - 02:37 PM, said:

The feeling I have is that one of Kaschan and Barghast is scum, but not both, unless they have (or, rather, Kaschan has) done some major distancing. I'll try to find some time in a bit to go through the pros and cons of them properly.


The thought I have, currently, is a scenario where Barghast is scum, with Sukul having been their partner, and Nimander their symp. Not sure how strong that is. Eloth surviving comes down to them either wanting to create drama around Eloth, or, at least at first, suspecting that they might be the symp, because Eloth consistently put Barghast low down on their suspect list.

Galayn Lord, on 03 June 2014 - 02:52 PM, said:

The reason why I think Denul is town:


On day 4 he was by far the prime mover against Ampelas. He talked about little else but Ampelas being scum ("90% sure", etc.). If he was scum, that sort of play would only make sense if it had been D-day. But whether a symp or a killer, Denul would have known that yesterday could not have been D-day - therefore to my thinking such a bulldog-like display doesn't fit within the scum mould.



Of course, that is a bit undermined by his similar play today against Eloth, when today could very well be D-day if there are two scum present. But the question persists: Why do it the day before?

e]

Honestly GL, for me, you're my top suspect, but if you really are town, then you and I are bumping heads needlessly. I've given as much thought to this game as I can. I can come up with good reasons why every single person left could be a good case for scum. As far as GL is concerned, I just don't trust the BP reveal. It seems like town having a healer, a ninja vig, and a BP is a bit much. It HAS to be something fishy going on. But I'm not just interested in killing one scum, just to not be able to find another one, assuming there is two left. So your defending Denul helps seal my vote for Denul. He stopped posting as much at the end, after going after eveyone like a madman the whole game. Then the night vote is super scummy. We don't need to allow scum ANY chance at night. He says to let them kill one of us off, as per the even/odd rule, but they could just not kill again, and we're right in the same spot again tomorrow. I'm going with Denul. In the end, we're going to need a little bit of luck as well. And we're nearing the end of the day. I'm on lunch break and not sure if I'll make it back before day ends.

I hope to come back to Denul being either the only scum, or one of them. GL, if Denul is scum though, nothing, NOTHING will change my mind that you are the other one.

remove vote
Vote Denul

So if they don't kill us we have more time, what you are saying, although you have not been around to discuss much is "let's get this over with"

So bad.

[Denul]

How can Barghast say I have not been posting, today of all days.

[Barghast]

Denul, on 03 June 2014 - 03:22 PM, said:

How can Barghast say I have not been posting, today of all days.

If you're town, then you would understand how this feels. I see scum in all of you. But we have to decide. I admit I've been worrying a lot about Eloth though. I'd be willing to switch perhaps.

[Path-Shaper]

It is now Day 5. 9 hours 48 minutes remaining.

6 players are alive: Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kaschan, Pallid

4 votes to lynch, 3 votes to go to night.

1 vote Kaschan: Pallid
2 votes Denul: Eloth, Barghast


Players not voted: Denul, Galayn Lord, Kaschan

[Denul]

Barghast, on 03 June 2014 - 03:25 PM, said:

Denul, on 03 June 2014 - 03:22 PM, said:

How can Barghast say I have not been posting, today of all days.

If you're town, then you would understand how this feels. I see scum in all of you. But we have to decide. I admit I've been worrying a lot about Eloth though. I'd be willing to switch perhaps.

I am town so this is scum winning if it is d day.

[Barghast]

Galayn Lord, on 03 June 2014 - 03:19 PM, said:

We're on L-1 with 8 hours to go - someone want to remove?


Barghast - if Denul is scum then yes, I can see why I would be the next target. I'm probably the guy he's least butted heads with. However, you just put him at L-1 with 8 hours to go, offering little else in the way of opinion other than lining me up as the next lynch target (easy to say Denul is symp if he turns up RI).

Look at my posting times. I do my best to get on during my lunch break each day, then as often as possible from the computer in the coffee room when the boss is out. And that vote is FAR from a one liner with no explanation. Read my last posts over the last 2 days. I've put my entire thought process on for everyone to see. None of you have done any better or different. You have the luxury of being likely scum, therefore don't have the same perspective as town at the end of the game, trying to make the right decision and avoid the scrutiny of everyone watching screaming, " stupid Barghast, it's so simple to see!". Well, it's not as simple when not looking from the otherside or having all the information. So bite me, man. You've probably been laughing at me the whole time anyway. If you're scum, don't forget I wanted it to be you on the chopping block here at the end. The rest of us do our best too, you know.

[Pallid]

keeping up here but I think we're all at the same place now. I look at everyone now thinking well, they could be scum because.... But on the other hand that other guy could be scum because....

I refuse to believe we were lucky enough to lose a killer in sukuls mod kill so anything but a direct hit here is game set and fucking match to the killers.



Kaschans almost disinterested approach to the day has me wavering in my resolve when you compare it too the more fervent activities of eloth and denul. I think Denul is the wrong lynch, as I've said umpteen times now, far too verbose and scattered to be a killer, fits a symp but see above, doubt we were lucky with sukul so its just excitable town IMO.

The crux of today is, is Eloth or GL lying, are they both lying, are neither of them lying, I'm beyond even having a clue now but my guts twist with anxiety every time I envision a spoiler thread that show us the ghosts applauding either player for a great fake reveal.
The same fear hits me when I imagine us lynching Eloth to see town healer on his cf.
Its a two option choice now, the only way eloth could be a symp is if sukul was his master and his pressure vote to get him playing period, see above.

if its GL is lying then he could be partnered with nearly anyone
Eloth would be kaschan

Kasch unfortunately could be paired with anyone by glancjng over the thread, there's really a situation here of anyone left can be seen as scum via one post or another.

gah!

[Pallid]

cross post, I wouldn't have been voting on denul fwiw

[Galayn Lord]

Barghast, on 03 June 2014 - 03:50 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 03 June 2014 - 03:19 PM, said:

We're on L-1 with 8 hours to go - someone want to remove?


Barghast - if Denul is scum then yes, I can see why I would be the next target. I'm probably the guy he's least butted heads with. However, you just put him at L-1 with 8 hours to go, offering little else in the way of opinion other than lining me up as the next lynch target (easy to say Denul is symp if he turns up RI).

Look at my posting times. I do my best to get on during my lunch break each day, then as often as possible from the computer in the coffee room when the boss is out. And that vote is FAR from a one liner with no explanation. Read my last posts over the last 2 days. I've put my entire thought process on for everyone to see. None of you have done any better or different. You have the luxury of being likely scum, therefore don't have the same perspective as town at the end of the game, trying to make the right decision and avoid the scrutiny of everyone watching screaming, " stupid Barghast, it's so simple to see!". Well, it's not as simple when not looking from the otherside or having all the information. So bite me, man. You've probably been laughing at me the whole time anyway. If you're scum, don't forget I wanted it to be you on the chopping block here at the end. The rest of us do our best too, you know.

I didn't say anything about your previous productivity/posting etc. But this isn't the first time that you've responded to someone with a post like this. The "trying my hardest" spiel has come before from you.

The scummiest-sounding post I've seen all game was the one in which you looked like you were trying to ingratiate yourself with Denul (saying things along the lines of "oh I know how you feel, hang on in there") on day 3.

Note - I haven't decided whether I'm going to vote you yet or not. I'm just trying to give my reasoning for why I think it may be you.

[Galayn Lord]

Pallid, on 03 June 2014 - 03:57 PM, said:

keeping up here but I think we're all at the same place now. I look at everyone now thinking well, they could be scum because.... But on the other hand that other guy could be scum because....

I refuse to believe we were lucky enough to lose a killer in sukuls mod kill so anything but a direct hit here is game set and fucking match to the killers.



Kaschans almost disinterested approach to the day has me wavering in my resolve when you compare it too the more fervent activities of eloth and denul. I think Denul is the wrong lynch, as I've said umpteen times now, far too verbose and scattered to be a killer, fits a symp but see above, doubt we were lucky with sukul so its just excitable town IMO.

The crux of today is, is Eloth or GL lying, are they both lying, are neither of them lying, I'm beyond even having a clue now but my guts twist with anxiety every time I envision a spoiler thread that show us the ghosts applauding either player for a great fake reveal.
The same fear hits me when I imagine us lynching Eloth to see town healer on his cf.
Its a two option choice now, the only way eloth could be a symp is if sukul was his master and his pressure vote to get him playing period, see above.

if its GL is lying then he could be partnered with nearly anyone
Eloth would be kaschan

Kasch unfortunately could be paired with anyone by glancjng over the thread, there's really a situation here of anyone left can be seen as scum via one post or another.

gah!

The reason why I'm thinking one scum is because I'm having trouble forming partnerships (either killer-killer or killer-symp) between the remaining players. If I had to say one possibility stood out based on interaction/non-interaction, it would be me and Denul. But I know I'm town, so

I think I'll take another look, though.