[Denul]

Galayn Lord, on 29 May 2014 - 08:51 PM, said:

Ugh, having reread, if I'd vote anyone it would be Kaschan. They give nothing of substance or strong feeling.


But unfortunately I don't think we'd get a consensus in that direction now.

Fuck me, GL is pushing so many people as potential targets. Popping here there and everywhere

[Denul]

So this is where things start to heat up.

Gl advocates Barghast this time.

Kaschan makes a decent post about the 2 wifom's on offer.

Galayn Lord, on 29 May 2014 - 08:54 PM, said:

Eloth, on 29 May 2014 - 08:52 PM, said:

Pallid, on 29 May 2014 - 08:16 PM, said:

sigh.

Lets guess what happens tonight to further wifom us all up after all you genius pushed to remove any doubt. Well fucking played

You think they will keep a known (to them) healer alive? Can they risk it?

'They' clearly already seemed to have once. The why is the crux of this while situation now.

Path-Shaper, on 29 May 2014 - 09:05 PM, said:

It is now Day 3. There are 1 hours 44 minutes remaining.

9 players are alive: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kaschan, Nimander Golit, Pallid

6 votes to lynch. 5 votes to go to night.

1 vote Atrahal: Pallid
1 vote Ampelas: Denul
1 vote Barghast: Kaschan
2 votes Nimander Golit: Eloth, Atrahal
1 vote Eloth: Nimander Golit

Not voted: Ampelas, Barghast, Galayn Lord

Kaschan, on 29 May 2014 - 09:07 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 29 May 2014 - 07:29 PM, said:

It is now Day 3. There are 3 hours 20 minutes remaining.

9 players are alive: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kaschan, Nimander Golit, Pallid

6 votes to lynch. 5 votes to go to night.

1 vote Atrahal: Pallid
1 vote Ampelas: Denul
1 vote Barghast: Kaschan
2 votes Nimander Golit: Eloth, Atrahal

Not voted: Ampelas, Barghast, Galayn Lord, Nimander Golit

Nimander Golit, on 29 May 2014 - 07:52 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 29 May 2014 - 07:29 PM, said:

It is now Day 3. There are 3 hours 20 minutes remaining.

9 players are alive: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kaschan, Nimander Golit, Pallid

6 votes to lynch. 5 votes to go to night.

1 vote Atrahal: Pallid
1 vote Ampelas: Denul
1 vote Barghast: Kaschan
2 votes Nimander Golit: Eloth, Atrahal

Not voted: Ampelas, Barghast, Galayn Lord, Nimander Golit

6 inno and 3 scum. Maybe 2 scum, but statistically the odds are that sukul is inno. So tomorrow WCS is 4 and 3 with 4 votes needed.

PS answered my question so I'm back to where I was. Crazy Cat Lady is scum.

Vote Ampelas

Nimander Golit, on 29 May 2014 - 08:36 PM, said:

Pallid, on 29 May 2014 - 08:16 PM, said:

sigh.

Lets guess what happens tonight to further wifom us all up after all you genius pushed to remove any doubt. Well fucking played

^ this.

I see no reason to keep Eloth alive. The worst that happens is we find out he wasn't lying. It removes all possible wifom relating to whether he's a healer or not. And I'm already on record as saying that I think he's scummy. He'll CF as killer, RI, or healer. Any of those help us.

Remove Vote

Vote Eloth

It is now Day 3. There is 1 hour 50 minutes remaining.

9 players are alive: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kaschan, Nimander Golit, Pallid

6 votes to lynch. 5 votes to go to night.

1 vote Atrahal: Pallid
1 vote Ampelas: Denul,
1 vote Eloth: Nimander Golit
1 vote Barghast: Kaschan
2 votes Eloth, Atrahal

Not voted: Ampelas, Barghast, Galayn Lord, Nimander Golit



I am here for a couple of minutes before I am leaving for the day. It doesn't look like we have even came close to reaching a consensus on lynching someone. We have just under 2 hours left. You uncommitted want to lay a vote on someone.

Kaschan, on 29 May 2014 - 09:11 PM, said:

Well there are 7 of us on if PS is looking then 6. Which WIFOM should we remove?

The Nimander and Barghast lynch WIFOM
The Eloth and GL healer and BP WIFOM

We have to lynch someone and remove some of this from the game.

Galayn Lord, on 29 May 2014 - 09:15 PM, said:

Alright, fuck, let's do this.

Vote Barghast

[Denul]

Nimander Golit, on 29 May 2014 - 09:15 PM, said:

Eloth, on 29 May 2014 - 08:54 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 29 May 2014 - 08:36 PM, said:

Pallid, on 29 May 2014 - 08:16 PM, said:

sigh.

Lets guess what happens tonight to further wifom us all up after all you genius pushed to remove any doubt. Well fucking played

^ this.

I see no reason to keep Eloth alive. The worst that happens is we find out he wasn't lying. It removes all possible wifom relating to whether he's a healer or not. And I'm already on record as saying that I think he's scummy. He'll CF as killer, RI, or healer. Any of those help us.

Remove Vote

Vote Eloth

You asked the fucking question, now you are trying to lynch me for answering you?

Doh. Yeah. I had already stated that I thought lynching you was a logical move and that I thought you could be scummy. Once you implied that you couldn't self-heal you made yourself a liability. Scum can keep you alive and guessing who they're going to pick while we have to deal with the wifom you created by revealing a non-provable role.

This is why I think Eloth is scum.

So Eloth I am 50/50 on you. You say you are healer. You are playing like a symp. What to believe.

[Denul]

I see Kaschan's frustration. I don't see why he was leaving. He makes so much sense though. I see GL as very jumpy and cue Amp to take the lead.

Kaschan, on 29 May 2014 - 09:17 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 29 May 2014 - 09:15 PM, said:

Alright, fuck, let's do this.

Vote Barghast

Great now Barghast is tied with Golt at 2. sigh.

Who is on and what are your thoughts.

Nimander Golit, on 29 May 2014 - 09:18 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 29 May 2014 - 09:11 PM, said:

Well there are 7 of us on if PS is looking then 6. Which WIFOM should we remove?

The Nimander and Barghast lynch WIFOM
The Eloth and GL healer and BP WIFOM

We have to lynch someone and remove some of this from the game.

I admit that it's rather self serving, but I think there's more to be gained with the Eloth lynch than there is with either myself or Barghast. And GL's vote just now strengthens my argument IMO.

Kaschan, on 29 May 2014 - 09:20 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 29 May 2014 - 09:18 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 29 May 2014 - 09:11 PM, said:

Well there are 7 of us on if PS is looking then 6. Which WIFOM should we remove?

The Nimander and Barghast lynch WIFOM
The Eloth and GL healer and BP WIFOM

We have to lynch someone and remove some of this from the game.

I admit that it's rather self serving, but I think there's more to be gained with the Eloth lynch than there is with either myself or Barghast. And GL's vote just now strengthens my argument IMO.

Personally the whole thing is a clusterfuck and we need to clear up both things.

Galayn Lord, on 29 May 2014 - 09:21 PM, said:

I will literally switch to anyone whose train looks the likeliest. We just need a lynch now.

Kaschan, on 29 May 2014 - 09:22 PM, said:

If the 2 of us move over to Eloth can we get a lynch on him?

Kaschan, on 29 May 2014 - 09:26 PM, said:

It is now Day 3. There are 1 hours 24 minutes remaining.

9 players are alive: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kaschan, Nimander Golit, Pallid

6 votes to lynch. 5 votes to go to night.

1 vote Atrahal: Pallid
1 vote Ampelas: Denul
2 vote Barghast: Kaschan, GL
2 votes Nimander Golit: Eloth, Atrahal
1 vote Eloth: Nimander Golit

Not voted: Ampelas, Barghast

Ampelas, on 29 May 2014 - 09:28 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 29 May 2014 - 09:20 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 29 May 2014 - 09:18 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 29 May 2014 - 09:11 PM, said:

Well there are 7 of us on if PS is looking then 6. Which WIFOM should we remove?

The Nimander and Barghast lynch WIFOM
The Eloth and GL healer and BP WIFOM

We have to lynch someone and remove some of this from the game.

I admit that it's rather self serving, but I think there's more to be gained with the Eloth lynch than there is with either myself or Barghast. And GL's vote just now strengthens my argument IMO.

Personally the whole thing is a clusterfuck and we need to clear up both things.

I am here now, and basically have to agree that it comes down to how Kaschan lays it out.

Kaschan, on 29 May 2014 - 09:29 PM, said:

Well I am out of here. So with only 80 minutes in the day and 2 players with 2 votes we will most likely be doing this again tomorrow.

Eloth, on 29 May 2014 - 09:31 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 29 May 2014 - 09:15 PM, said:

Eloth, on 29 May 2014 - 08:54 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 29 May 2014 - 08:36 PM, said:

Pallid, on 29 May 2014 - 08:16 PM, said:

sigh.

Lets guess what happens tonight to further wifom us all up after all you genius pushed to remove any doubt. Well fucking played

^ this.

I see no reason to keep Eloth alive. The worst that happens is we find out he wasn't lying. It removes all possible wifom relating to whether he's a healer or not. And I'm already on record as saying that I think he's scummy. He'll CF as killer, RI, or healer. Any of those help us.

Remove Vote

Vote Eloth

You asked the fucking question, now you are trying to lynch me for answering you?

Doh. Yeah. I had already stated that I thought lynching you was a logical move and that I thought you could be scummy. Once you implied that you couldn't self-heal you made yourself a liability. Scum can keep you alive and guessing who they're going to pick while we have to deal with the wifom you created by revealing a non-provable role.

I'll vote for myself and get this over with if everyone keeps this self-serving baiting tactic in mind, getting a revealed healer to try and screw himself just to avoid his own lynch. Does not serve town. Serves only himself.

[Eloth]

Denul, on 30 May 2014 - 08:29 AM, said:

snip

If I was the healer, then I would be calling the BP bullshit and having GL as potential scum.

What makes Eloth believe GL is town?

snip

Pallid has been a solid player, I have no reason to believe he is scum, I don't see it. If someone else does I would like to hear their thoughts.

I decided to do a reset on my opinions of the thread and do a re-read, since I got so much attention on Day 1 + 2, it's easy to see how people can think I am scum. I now think GL is just a very very determined/single minded player. I don't think having a BP pushes the TMDI up or is too much to have with a healer, and it does explain perfectly (*to me*) the no NK on Day 2.

In the re-read Kaschan comes up a lot more obviously as venturing nothing out there that can draw attention. Though he does make repeated mentions of desiring my Lynch, and tries to garner support for it. Also very hostile to GLs BP reveal.

Agreed that Pallid is very likely town.

[Ampelas]

So, Kaschan is the only person left who couldn't have been on to switch. If he is inno, that means the only options are Eloth is lying, or scum are wifoming it up. Pallid presents the situation pretty well, the way the lines are drawn up paring it to something obvious isn't proving easy.

I can tentatively accept what Denul is saying about Barghast being innocent ala Nimander's logic.

[Denul]

Ampelas, on 29 May 2014 - 09:37 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 29 May 2014 - 09:32 PM, said:

Who do you want to vote for?

Because I've felt Eloth is telling the truth, the WIFOM of Nimander/Barghast is more pressing for me. I will vote for either.

Amp sways the thread towards Nimander

Pallid, on 29 May 2014 - 09:42 PM, said:

vote nimander

I was more on board atrahal but no-one else is interested. Prefer the nimander lynch over bargh, most definitely over eloth

pallid follows

Ampelas, on 29 May 2014 - 09:47 PM, said:

Nimander's 'case' on me is a rehashing and comes back to that one sentence. It feels like he really wanted to attack me last night, and then had to come up with why when he returned, yet it wasn't anything new genuinely speculative. The best I can see is if he's tied me with defending Eloth, who he says again and again is scummy.

Amp defends himself here but I don't see why, not at this stage when he has no votes.

Ampelas, on 29 May 2014 - 09:48 PM, said:

I'm going with my earlier convictions and gut.

Vote Nimander

Makes this the only viable lynch

Galayn Lord, on 29 May 2014 - 09:57 PM, said:

I'm around and can switch to Nimander. In fact

Remove Vote

Vote Nimander Golit

Jumps over, happy to be on any lynch

Path-Shaper, on 29 May 2014 - 10:09 PM, said:

It is now Day 3. There are 40 minutes remaining.

9 players are alive: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kaschan, Nimander Golit, Pallid

6 votes to lynch. 5 votes to go to night.

1 vote Ampelas: Denul
1 vote Barghast: Kaschan
5 votes Nimander Golit: Eloth, Atrahal, Pallid, Ampelas, Galayn Lord
1 vote Eloth: Nimander Golit

Not voted: Barghast

This is when I entered the thread, I went shopping for beer after work, bought crips, lemonade, case of bud, I then went and got electricity from the shop, dropped off some mortar tone at mum and dads, got in and the wife made me put clothes away, her parents came round to collect a fridge, we watch Game of Thrones on the Cartoon HD app on my phone so had no access, watched Sleeping Beauty afterwards (which was surprisingly shorter than I remembered), wife went to bed, I opened up Skin Game, read for an hour and went up to bed, on my way up the stairs I opened the net to have a quick look at mafia before I closed my eyes for the night. I saw we had hardly any time left at all. The count was 5 on Nimander and Kaschan was being "shouted at" by Amp for leaving.

I hammered and went to bed. I peeked at the thread 10 minutes or so later to see the CF and was gutted it wasn't scum. I knew if I didn't peek I would be dreaming of mafia all night.

I don't care if you believe this, it's the truth.

Our indecisiveness is killing us. Leaving it until the last minute to get our lynch.

Yesterday was a productive day though.

[Denul]

Eloth, on 30 May 2014 - 09:33 AM, said:

Denul, on 30 May 2014 - 08:29 AM, said:

snip

If I was the healer, then I would be calling the BP bullshit and having GL as potential scum.

What makes Eloth believe GL is town?

snip

Pallid has been a solid player, I have no reason to believe he is scum, I don't see it. If someone else does I would like to hear their thoughts.

I decided to do a reset on my opinions of the thread and do a re-read, since I got so much attention on Day 1 + 2, it's easy to see how people can think I am scum. I now think GL is just a very very determined/single minded player. I don't think having a BP pushes the TMDI up or is too much to have with a healer, and it does explain perfectly (*to me*) the no NK on Day 2.

In the re-read Kaschan comes up a lot more obviously as venturing nothing out there that can draw attention. Though he does make repeated mentions of desiring my Lynch, and tries to garner support for it. Also very hostile to GLs BP reveal.

Agreed that Pallid is very likely town.

Say Kaschan is scum. He has not tried to sway the thread at all so who is his partner?

You have been healing Amp, and if you believe GL's reveal then you cannot know for sure Amp is town.

So if Amp is a killer he has no reason to vote for you or Kill you. He has expressed that he believes your reveal and he "thinks" of me as town.

He also says he is a perfect townie, or he will say I said that. Either way, I don't like Amp. I distrust everything he says and his buddying up to me has my hackles raised.

[Pallid]

Jesus denuk, too many long quite man, that's painful to get through on the phone.

I'm just really really torn right now, part of me just wants to lynch Eloth to see his CF, but this is D-day (unless we've already pegged a symp) on a basic maths perspective I see it as 1/3 chance of me voting a killer if I close my eyes and point, now I've gambled on far longer odds on mire important thing before. Occams razor suggests that either GL or Eloth is lying, the problem is I cant think of a lynch (other than one of them) that would be a link to both and thus a better shot at the odds. I've been just paranoiding my way through the game now constantly checking mself and asking what if Eloths a fucking liar. Nimander and Atrahals cf leave me squinting down the barrel of a gun at Kasch (nk reasons, plus under the radar) Eloth (well discussed already) or Amp (based on smooth and possible coasting off eloths claim)

now I'm relatively sure there's scum in that trio but none tie in with the other in my.mind for a more favourable vote.

Regarding GL, it just seems such a bizare claim to make if he was scum, unless to frame eloth and amp, but it just came out of nowhere and the whole rping thing, blegh, if he's lying he's got.me sold.



in short, I feel like several players are trying to cosy up to me and that's never a good thing.

[Pallid]

cross post, reading up

[Denul]

Ampelas, on 30 May 2014 - 09:34 AM, said:

So, Kaschan is the only person left who couldn't have been on to switch. If he is inno, that means the only options are Eloth is lying, or scum are wifoming it up. Pallid presents the situation pretty well, the way the lines are drawn up paring it to something obvious isn't proving easy.

I can tentatively accept what Denul is saying about Barghast being innocent ala Nimander's logic.

So now you are doubting Eloth?

The problem I have with the Kaschan vote is that his style hasn't changed all game and he has received 0 pressure. Yet on D day he is the one that is picked?

I agree with everyone, Kaschan COULD be scum, but he isn't the leader.

One of Eloth, Amp or GL is the lead scum in my opinion.

Got to look at the end of each day and who was more vocal.

[Pallid]

that's my problem with eloths belief in amp as well denul, if he was the killer and eloth a healer, he's be mad to off him, a pro town role supporting a killer on thread? It would be a dream come true. I could get on board an amp train because it covers a few bases. The random 1/3 chance I have of voting scum, coasting without heat, eloths cosyness, amps buddying up today.

however its.competely at odds with the Kasch train, and I could get on board it too, its a case of which answers more questions if we're wrong but get another bite at the apple tomorrow?



and which would cast.more light on the eloth situation?




eta further cross posting, I vaguely agree with denul

This post has been edited by Pallid: 30 May 2014 - 10:01 AM

[Denul]

WCS for me. For me it has got to be Amp. He is around at every end of day. He swayed the thread towards Nimander yesterday, even though Eloth should have been lynched (after reading up) He totally believes in Eloth's reveal. Only today has he cast his doubts.

Town

Barghast
Pallid

scum

Eloth
Amp

Unsure

GL Kaschan

[Denul]

Pallid, on 30 May 2014 - 10:00 AM, said:

that's my problem with eloths belief in amp as well denul, if he was the killer and eloth a healer, he's be mad to off him, a pro town role supporting a killer on thread? It would be a dream come true. I could get on board an amp train because it covers a few bases. The random 1/3 chance I have of voting scum, coasting without heat, eloths cosyness, amps buddying up today.

however its.competely at odds with the Kasch train, and I could get on board it too, its a case of which answers more questions if we're wrong but get another bite at the apple tomorrow?



and which would cast.more light on the eloth situation?




eta further cross posting, I vaguely agree with denul

Pallid, Kaschan's train will not lead us to his partner if he is scum. Kaschan has only voted for Barghast insofar as I can remember.

[Pallid]

yeah but if he is scum, then you know, we've hit scum

[Denul]

Pallid, on 30 May 2014 - 10:09 AM, said:

yeah but if he is scum, then you know, we've hit scum

There is that. IF he is scum.

[Denul]

Has PS indicated a weekend freeze? When does this day timeout?

[Pallid]

argh I can even get peace to eat my lunch, things keep going through my head.

of the 4 that had been pointed out as not around for eloths reveal only one survives. Atrahals death last night surprised.me but the more I think about it if kasch was the killer atrahal would have been left alive for point at further. I think its in the amp/eloth camp for now. I'm on board for an Amp lynch

[Ampelas]

Denul, on 30 May 2014 - 08:29 AM, said:

Pallid I am listening.



Pallid, keep thinking things through, because oddly enough, you are the only alt I trust.



Pallid has been a solid player, I have no reason to believe he is scum, I don't see it. If someone else does I would like to hear their thoughts.

This is bothering you Pallid? It's really bothering me.

Denul, I have become not more "erratic", as you say, but rather I am becoming more cautious. More is on the line with each passing day with no scum CF.
Beware the player who becomes more confident, and begins driving the thread.

[Ampelas]

Like you Pallid, my brain has been churning and I have a bunch of things I want to reply to, but it's dinner time.

I'll be back after the kid is asleep.