[Kaschan]

Ampelas, on 29 May 2014 - 10:35 PM, said:

Well, so much for my gut.

What's bugging me now is Kaschan leaving without voting, and the fact that I really have to reconsider Denul/Eloth/GL.

The lines, as they have honestly been drawn in my head are GL/Eloth/Denul as town, which leaves Kaschan and Barghast as scum, but that leaves the question - who is the symp then? And I DO think one of Barghast and Kaschan are scum, but not necessarily both.

I did vote you fucking illiterate fuckers. It is right there in the lynch post and every other ps count post.

[Kaschan]

On my phone and the other one didn't count

vote Gl

[Kaschan]

Ampelas, on 29 May 2014 - 09:50 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 29 May 2014 - 09:32 PM, said:

I am leaving

Without voting? Great.....

I did vote you fucking illiterate fuck head.

[Ampelas]

Kaschan, on 30 May 2014 - 12:23 AM, said:

Ampelas, on 29 May 2014 - 09:50 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 29 May 2014 - 09:32 PM, said:

I am leaving

Without voting? Great.....

I did vote you fucking illiterate fuck head.

Yes, I did in fact miss the fact that you were already voting. Or more accurately, I was so caught up in trying to catch up to what was happening at the end of day that I didn't see any "bold vote so and so" since you had returned to the thread, so I just assumed you hadn't. I admit my error.

As for the fucking illiterate fuck head part:

[Denul]

Going to read up fully today. Have lots of time.

[Pallid]

it boils down too the following:

do we trust Eloths and GLs reveal now?
Entering WIFOM territory, if Eloth is telling the truth then his survival is deliberate on the part of the killers to set us up for a d-day 'he should be dead lynch!'
if Eloth is lying then well his survival is easily explained.

question Eloth - who and why last night?

[Eloth]

Pallid, on 30 May 2014 - 06:35 AM, said:

it boils down too the following:

do we trust Eloths and GLs reveal now?
Entering WIFOM territory, if Eloth is telling the truth then his survival is deliberate on the part of the killers to set us up for a d-day 'he should be dead lynch!'
if Eloth is lying then well his survival is easily explained.

question Eloth - who and why last night?

Who do you think? I WIFOMed that neither GL or Denul would be attacked as they have come under suspicion before, and since it was D-day coming up I decided to heal the one person I am pretty sure of to be town rather than maybe heal someone we don't know a lot about even on D-day. I healed Ampelas!

After sleeping on it I think the split is;

TOWN
Ampelas
Pallid
GL
Eloth

vs

SCUM
Denul
Barghast
Kaschan

Vote Kaschan

He has survived too long by doing nothing, he has NOT been a good town in any capacity.

[Pallid]

bollocks, why would you protect ampelas again, assuming you don't lie a killer wouldn't aim for ampelas incase you protected him again, your only reason to be left alive would be tk wifom the thread. I really am torn now as to if you're full of it or not.

[Pallid]

my own take on the game is split between two widely different approaches, and thus where I vote will be a difficult decision. We have plenty of time and I really don't like this rush to lump on Kaschan (although on one hand he's one of my suspects). It smacks of a run to end the game quickly.

however if eloth is lying I suspect GL is telling the truth and vice versa so those two on the train gives me pause.
Eloth protecting Amp only clears Amp if there's a no kill (assuming GL is telling the truth) in which case he hasn't been cleared at all.
Kaschan is getting indignant, which could be simply caused by misrepresentation by amp, but he has flitted under the radar all game and is the last left.of the not around at reveal time. I need to go.back.and check if he was an advocate of the eloth lynch yesterday
Barghast has the vote post reveal on eloth, but to me the bugaboo around him seems to be the survived lynch, which dragged in nimander into suspicion (at best a dead symp, unknown therefore irrelevant)
Denul I've been butting heads with all game which I seem to do with one player virtually every game and this clouds my judgement considerably
GL, lumls on Kasch early, eary game rping makes me think town.



so from that I don't think GL was lying, which means Amp hasn't been clear at all. The question remains is Eloth telling the truth or is he scum/symp?
today hinges entirely on this in my mind because if he's a lying then bam we have a clear cut set of targets, if not then his list seems entirely reasonable.
now off his scum list Id be most inclined to vote barghast/kasch (I know I know, but I cant see denul as scum, too verbose, a symp, but if a symp that rules barghast out as scum, blegh my heads spinning)

I think I'm tempted to push on Ampelas the 'healing' doesn't clear him, even if eloth is telling the truth, if eloth is lying in any shape or form it condemns him in my eyes. The only thing giving me pause is fear that eloth was lying and doubly playing us.





eta - posted incase browser crapped out, it was acting funny.

with holding vote for now, plenty of time, need more thinking

This post has been edited by Pallid: 30 May 2014 - 07:37 AM

[Denul]

Pallid I am listening.

I don't like the early votes with it being D day.

I can see merit in voting Kaschan as he has skated towards the end of game, he has not been on any trains. His weird play at end of day yesterday is strange. He voted someone that was not going to get lynched. He's a clever player, and I don't see what his game plan has been.

Rather than just point at one player we have got to be looking at a team now. I voted Amp for the majority of yesterday and he got little to no heat off anyone. I haven't properly read up on the end of day yesterday, I am going to do that first.

I find it hard to place my trust in any one player.

Eloth reveals healer.
Galayn Lord reveals BP.

I want to believe Eloth but he has been given me a scum vibe all game, I think symp, I think his CF will show up town. Yet, it is pure wifom. He could be killer, revealing to save his arse. He is still alive. I don't know why.

He is trying to clear Amp, as we lynch Eloth (which was entirely possible) and he CF's town then we got to believe Amp is town. (Although there is nothing to say Eloth healed scum)

On the flip side, if Eloth is scum and he is fingering Amp as town, then it is entirely possible that another leader of the thread could be scum ie GL. I don't see how Eloth can have both GL and Amp in the town section.

If I was the healer, then I would be calling the BP bullshit and having GL as potential scum.


What makes Eloth believe GL is town?


Now Barghast is interesting. He has received a lot of heat throughout the whole game. He was almost lynched the day Eloth revealed.

Both Nimander and Atrahal have CF'd as RI, which means that they weren't purposefully avoiding the Barghast lynch. Kaschan didn't vote and used RL excuse against this. So I believe he couldn't have voted.


All the above is going from memory.




Internet has been down most of the morning. So I thought I'd get these thoughts in asap.


Pallid, keep thinking things through, because oddly enough, you are the only alt I trust.

I think Kaschan is being friendly with me, and I don't know if that is to get me on his good side. His play has not been pro town. I think he needs a re read for sure.

Amp's last couple of days has been pushing me to think he is scum, he has been more erratic as the game has got further along, look at his "alone posts" for examples of this.

Pallid has been a solid player, I have no reason to believe he is scum, I don't see it. If someone else does I would like to hear their thoughts.

[Denul]

Galayn Lord, on 29 May 2014 - 02:12 PM, said:

Well, if anything, Denul, reiterating Ampelas' post makes me more likely to vote Barghast, as it all sounds pretty reasonable to me. If Barghast turns up town, then Ampelas will warrant a closer look for sure.

We no longer have this option. So now it come down to whether or not you think Amp or Barghast is scum.

So right now, out of Nimander and Barghast, Kaschan picks Barghast..

Kaschan, on 29 May 2014 - 02:18 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 29 May 2014 - 01:11 PM, said:

It's not ENTIRELY improbable that all those roles exist in this game. Vig of any type tends to kill town more often than not, and I'm guessing the BP and Heal both would not save anyone since it was a day vig. Guard and Finder are generally the more powerful town roles anyways, and if THOSE exist as well, then yeah, someone is lying. (I am NOT suggesting anyone else reveal)

At this point, I feel it is in our interest to figure out what lynch brings us the most information.

We have a Barghast non-lynch yesterday, and no NK. GL claims BP was hit, Eloth claims he healed me.

A Barghast lynch today:

If scum, that makes Nimander a top suspect, and also gives us two trains to compare. Also people ignoring a stalled lynch and pushing elsewhere become more suspicious. If innocent, it makes Nimander look a little better and doesn't really tell us much beyond speculating what scum might be on his train (yes, including me).

A Nimander lynch today:
If scum, makes Barghast look suspicious and PI's some people who have pushed for him when there was no other support. If inno, then it means I was wrong on my suspicions and I feel casts Denul in an interesting light considering he went after Nimander right away, rather than Barghast.

A Denul lynch today:

If scum, makes me look foolish and scummy for defending him. Tons of stuff on thread by him though, so there might be something to glean. If he's inno, doesn't really do much for us unless he's the symp.

An Eloth lynch today:

If scum, same as Denul - makes me look bad for defending him. If he's inno, at best he could be a symp, but I think it would point to certain people who pushed for what I feel is a bad lynch for today.

Personally, I am fine with returning to Mafia 101 and finishing a lynch that stalled. If Barghast is scum, and we let him go a second day, the screams from SH will echo for weeks. And he provides some info. I mean, if we really want to get into "OMG WIFOM DISTRACTIONS", then certainly Barghast would qualify as someone to vote for as well. Sure, why isn't Eloth dead? is a valid issue, but also, why wasn't Barghast lynched? Where'd Nimander go? Or was there someone else who was online, but just laid low?

I find that I am agreeing with you on all points. The only thing that I have on the failed Barghast lynch was that it was a sudden flip lynch rather then a build up train over the day. But we do need to clear it up.

The thread needs to be cleaned up. I do not like a Atrahal or Denul lynch as I think that both of them are making sense. I think that we are going to have to lynch Eloth before D day but that isn't today. To me the only acceptable lynches are either Nimander or Barghast.

While I think that the case on Barghast isn't very strong we have to clear the thread of some of the current WIFOM because it is just starting to get to be too much for us to see around. With that in mind.

Vote Barghast

Eloth prefers Nimander over Barghast (Eloth voted for me after his reveal, I really need to look at that)

Eloth, on 29 May 2014 - 02:26 PM, said:

Vote Nimander

Happy to vote this way to see what falls out when we shake him real hard.

Ampelas, on 29 May 2014 - 02:27 PM, said:

Of course, now this makes Nimander's forthcoming case on me all the more interesting, if Denul sees us as partners. Maybe he was going to make the same "perfect townie" observation and suggest Denul as my partner.

I don't like these types of post from Amp, he keeps saying he is "perfect townie", he is trying to pre empt what Nimander will say before he says it, just like he wants to say "I told you so"

This is the part were I see him cracking up a little, look at the time stamps..

Ampelas, on 29 May 2014 - 02:27 PM, said:

Of course, now this makes Nimander's forthcoming case on me all the more interesting, if Denul sees us as partners. Maybe he was going to make the same "perfect townie" observation and suggest Denul as my partner.

Eloth, on 29 May 2014 - 02:27 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 29 May 2014 - 02:24 PM, said:

Eloth, on 29 May 2014 - 01:48 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 29 May 2014 - 01:46 PM, said:

I am also planning on continuing to post pictures of cats with Shakespearian insults.

Jesus christ I almost burst out laughing in the middle of work. STOP THAT.

Were do you work that you aren't allowed to laugh. I want to know so that I never apply there for a job.

Didn't say I wasn't allowed, I just think it is a very very bad idea to crack up in the middle of a workday at a cat macro.

Ampelas, on 29 May 2014 - 02:30 PM, said:

I actually DO want to see Nimander's case before I decide between the two. It could make lines even clearer and depending what he says make him seem even scummier, or actually less scummy.

Ampelas, on 29 May 2014 - 02:39 PM, said:

Aaaaaaaand I'm alone.

Eloth, on 29 May 2014 - 02:41 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 29 May 2014 - 02:39 PM, said:

Aaaaaaaand I'm alone.

Yeeeup. Totally alone, can't see anyone with you through my binoculars. Poor Ampelas.

Ampelas, on 29 May 2014 - 02:43 PM, said:

Well, I was alone, albeit briefly.

[Eloth]

Pallid, on 30 May 2014 - 07:21 AM, said:

bollocks, why would you protect ampelas again, assuming you don't lie a killer wouldn't aim for ampelas incase you protected him again, your only reason to be left alive would be tk wifom the thread. I really am torn now as to if you're full of it or not.

WIFOM #1: Scum think I think they won't kill Ampelas - I try heal on *more likely NK candidates* - Scum kill ampelas
WIFOM #2: Scum think I won't heal GL or Denul - I try and heal one of them - They 50% chance kill GL or Denul
WIFOM #3: Scum think I might heal Ampelas, GL or Denul since they targeted one of my "enemies" the night before - they target a "safer" NK taget - I try and guess between Barghast, Pallid, Kaschan and Atrahal - Scum 75% kill one
WIFOM #4: Scum just want rid of me - I heal anyone - I die

I thought 1, 3 and 4 are most likely what happens, I choose to not heal players I am not comfortable that had a small chance of success even if I was correct, and stuck with keeping Ampelas around.

[Denul]

This post makes me like Eloth as Healer more than his play does.

Eloth, on 29 May 2014 - 02:45 PM, said:

Just realised I'm getting a little silly since I already know I'm a dead man walking. Ohh well.

Agree with Denul, Kaschan has done perfectly well as a "be here but totally unnoticed and unsuspected" player in this game.

Has he tried to go out on a limb for anything or been content to just be ignored? Will have to look into that.

This is setting up his target for the next day without seeing a CF.

Ampelas, on 29 May 2014 - 02:53 PM, said:

Eloth, on 29 May 2014 - 02:45 PM, said:

Just realised I'm getting a little silly since I already know I'm a dead man walking. Ohh well.

Agree with Denul, Kaschan has done perfectly well as a "be here but totally unnoticed and unsuspected" player in this game.

Has he tried to go out on a limb for anything or been content to just be ignored? Will have to look into that.

In my own PM to PS I said that if one of Barghast/Nimander is not scum, Kaschan hits my list next.

I know that Denul's theory has me possibly paired with Atrahal, but at this point I don't really see him as more likely to be scum.

All this can change, of course, based on what happens today, but I thought I'd get that out there.

Barghast had a dream.

(he dreamt that Amp and Eloth were partners) This is entirely plausible.

Pallid likes Nimander over others

Pallid, on 29 May 2014 - 03:48 PM, said:

holy lenghty posts batman!

I'm a little baffled by the logic that ties up nimander, barg and amp then leads to the amp vote. Sure the claimed healing was not required according to the claimed bp, but does the logic trail not lead to a nimander lynch being the most productive in the given scenarios?

[Denul]

Given Nimander's CF I am listening to this very carefully.

Nimander Golit, on 29 May 2014 - 06:11 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 28 May 2014 - 02:17 AM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 28 May 2014 - 01:10 AM, said:

Ack, sorry, got snagged by various things.

Ok, so what I'm seeing so far is a lot of finger-wagging and nodding over at various people, some of which may have substance, most of which is probably nothing, and some effort to coalesce all the ANGER around one individual - so all in all typical early game...except that we're already down possibly up to three townies.

Since we have little concrete to go on, I thought I'd bring back up the lynch train that was all but assured on day 1 were it not for that little suicide vig snag:

Quote

5 votes Liosan: Pallid, Denul, Barghast, Fener, Eloth

As I said, this was a pretty much dead cert lynch before the suiciding. Thus I am willing to bet everything that the corpse of Liosan owned that at least one of the ones here is scum. Luckily for us, we can already cross Fener off that list thanks to Liosan's, erm, heroics. That leaves us with Pallid, Denul, Barghast, and Eloth.

<snip>

I've been looking at that myself but from the other end. Where did the votes go after he posted the suicide trigger?

Quote

13 players are alive: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Fener, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Liosan, Nimander Golit, Pallid, Sukul Ankhadu

7 votes to lynch. 7 votes to go to night.

5 votes Liosan: Pallid, Denul, Barghast, Fener, Eloth
1 vote Galayn Lord: Hood's Path
1 vote Eloth: Ampelas
1 vote Atrahal: Liosan
1 vote Fener: Galayn Lord

Not voted: Atrahal, Kaschan, Nimander Golit, Sukul Ankhadu

Lio's trigger, post 194

Amp: That sounds like an on thread ability trigger....

Hood's Path: Back and reading up. A quick skim of the most recent posts makes me think there might have been a vig of some kind?

Fener: Yeah that certainly doesnt bode well. However Im not real sure why you are focusing on me. I didnt start this train. And I gave you ample time to come back to the game and give some nice drawn out conclusions.

Hood's Path: OK, I've read up. I'm assuming that's a vig from Liosan - Lio, since we're short on time, can you confirm that that's what you're expecting to happen? It sounded like PS is not going to be back before deadline, so we're unlikely to get a resolution before then.

Hood's Path: Now, the question becomes - does this clear Liosan? Personally I find unlikely that there would be a scum vig in the game (that just seems like it would be OP in the end game), so on that basis I don't think it makes sense to complete the Liosan lynch. I guess I need to go away and have a think about who would be a viable alternative.

Ampelas replying to HP's last post: Yeah, I don't think lynching Liosan is a good idea. Even if it's a bluff, it's day one and only buys him a night, which would be dumb.

Kaschan quotes Lio's trigger post: That looks remarkably like a suicide vig. I hesitate to lynch someone until PS gets on to clarify. Which will most like be after time out.

HP posts several quotes from Eloth and then:There's enough for me to see this as a good alternative. Remove Vote. Vote Eloth

HP: Welp, that's me done - won't be back before timeout. Seems like everyone else has left already though...

Barghast quotes Lio a couple of times, comments some, and removes vote.

Galayn Lord does his stupid command line stuff, removes vote, and votes Eloth.

PS resolves the vig.


11 posts between the vig trigger and resolution. Ampelas, Hood's Path, Fener, Kaschan, Barghast, and GL. Scratch Fener and HP.

Now it comes down to what you think is the right play. I'd have continued with the LIo lynch simply because there wasn't enough time to go elsewhere. If it was vig, he dies. If it wasn't a vig, why let him live to simply be lynched the next day? HP, Amp, Kaschan, and Barghast all disagree with me and think that lynching Lio is a bad idea. HP removes and votes Eloth. Barghast simply removes. GL is last with a remove and vote Eloth with no explanation. Kaschan has no vote down and Ampelas has his firmly on Eloth.


I'm willing to bet that one of Ampelas, Kaschan, Barghast, and GL are scum. Ampelas simply thinks that lynching Liosan is a bad idea and then disappears. Not a single word of encouragement to swing and follow his own vote for Eloth. Barghast explains why he removes. Kaschan doesn't say anything beyond he's hesitant to lynch anyone until the Liosan thing plays out. GL's remove and vote comes plenty late enough that he had to know he was wasting his time.

Quote

At timeout...


11 players are alive: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Nimander Golit, Pallid, Sukul Ankhadu

7 votes to lynch. 7 votes to go to night.

3 votes Eloth: Ampelas, Hood's Path, Galayn Lord

Not voted: Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Kaschan, Nimander Golit, Pallid, Sukul Ankhadu

Amp's lack of enthusiasm for is own choice bothers me but GL bothers me more. His stupid posts, jumping at the PS coercion, and then the "nah, I'm just fucking with you". But I have enough doubt about that that I'm more willing to go with the safer choice; the person who reset the modkill timer during the freeze:


Vote Sukul Ankhadu

Starting here. The red highlights. GL picked up his game today. I still don't like the way he started and I'm not certain what the BP reveal does for him (as far as what I think of him.) Sukul is gone, Barghast and Kaschan I find more townie.


Day 2 no lynch:

Ampelas, on 28 May 2014 - 07:10 AM, said:

Well, based on 2 scum and a possible symp being alive, it's not the end of the world if we dont' get a lynch today. Two wrong lynches and two NK's means it's game over (nod to Nimander ). We can get an NK tonight to narrow the field, and still have two more days to get a correct lynch.

Eloth is at L-2. Denul has said he'd switch from Barghast to Eloth to get a lynch if Amp does. Amp doesn't so Denul sticks with Barghast. This is all prior to the Eloth reveal, so Amp's blase attitude can't be excused by that. Apparently Amp doesn't care if we don't lynch and doesn't care about an NK. Cutesy cat pictures doesn't make that attitude any less scummy.

[Denul]

Nimander Golit, on 29 May 2014 - 06:28 PM, said:

I saw the healer reveal before leaving, but I doubt that I would have removed and I almost certainly wouldn't have voted Barghast. Barghast's vote on Eloth makes sense to me at that point in time. Healer reveal looked like a ploy to gain a day. Easy claim to make because you can't prove it. And once revealed, if true, he's going to be dead shortly anyway. Test the reveal. And only one way to do that. And Barghast's vote on Eloth after the reveal would be incredibly stupid for scum. Why not just say, "oh, ok, well I'm not going to vote myself", wait it out, and NK him. That vote actually made a Barghast lynch more likely. Very, very ballsy or town.

No lynch, then no NK. WIFOM of course, but I find the two most likely explanations are Eloth is a killer or the killer abstained upon seeing the reveal. The latter requires that the killer did see the healer reveal and decided to throw some WIFOM into play. To be fair, I could easily be the killer under the latter condition. I'm not but somebody will bring it up.

Now that I'm looking at this through sober eyes:

Remove Vote


I still think you're scum, but I want to think on this a bit further.

So I agree with these points.

I will lock clear Barghast as town until someone wants to prove this logic wrong.

[Denul]

Nimander Golit, on 29 May 2014 - 06:31 PM, said:

Denul, on 29 May 2014 - 09:11 AM, said:

I have not thought of Amp as a killer, but Eloth could be his symp for sure.

What about the other way around Denul? That's the reason I just removed.

I wish I had been around to discuss this further with nimander before his death. I have not been keeping track of the time and I am glad I got there to get the lynch but if I had read up properly and there was time I would have tried to investigate further.

[Denul]

Nimander Golit, on 29 May 2014 - 06:46 PM, said:

But he only had two votes on him at that point. IIRC. Just Denul and Amp with 90 minutes left. He garnered two vote because he voted Eloth.

Nimander Golit, on 29 May 2014 - 06:53 PM, said:

Eloth reveals, removes vote from GL, and votes Denul.


GL removes from Eloth, votes Barghast.

Barghast removes from Denul, votes Eloth. So he had 3 votes on him at that time.

Eloth and Pallid remove and vote Barghast leaving him at L1 for the last 30 minutes of the day.

So yeah, I think Barghast's vote on Eloth was either ballsy scum or town with a logical reason.

Galayn Lord, on 29 May 2014 - 07:18 PM, said:

About three hours or so I think. Most have now expressed an opinion. We now need that lynch so as to see how those opinions align with a CF. Eloth and Barghast have probably been the most divisive, so lynching one of those two makes sense at this time.
I'll have a last think and lay a vote down in twenty minutes or so.

Here GL wants to vote Eloth or Barghast. I don't see how this came about. Most people are saying Nimander or Barghast up until now, but Nimander is clearing Barghast.

Atrahal, on 29 May 2014 - 07:19 PM, said:

I have little read on Nimander. I think Barghast is level-headed. While not my preferred choice, I will

remove vote
Vote Nimander

Barghast again appears level headed from Atrahal.

Path-Shaper, on 29 May 2014 - 07:29 PM, said:

It is now Day 3. There are 3 hours 20 minutes remaining.

9 players are alive: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kaschan, Nimander Golit, Pallid

6 votes to lynch. 5 votes to go to night.

1 vote Atrahal: Pallid
1 vote Ampelas: Denul
1 vote Barghast: Kaschan
2 votes Nimander Golit: Eloth, Atrahal

Not voted: Ampelas, Barghast, Galayn Lord, Nimander Golit

So the votes are evenly spread here.

[Denul]

Eloth, on 29 May 2014 - 07:47 PM, said:

Day 3 and we have yet to get a lynch.

While Nimander is not my first choice for a lynch, a number of people have expressed a willingness to follow through with a lynch on him, as his death will be informative to us even in the case he comes up town. This is also likely my last day alive, so before I turn up as a corpse;

Denul all over the fucking place, I think scum
Ampelas level headed a poor choice of words/slip seems to be the biggest gripe anyone has over him, likely town
Kaschan Mr perfect middle of the roader, look into this guy, can't figure him out
Pallid agressive but in the end not noteworthy, likely town
Galayn Lord don't know that I buy his BP reveal, had him squarely in scum before, likely still scum
Atrahal - kept pushing my lynch after I revealed, gut feeling says scum
Barghast - some questionable moves, don't know why, don't know either way
Nimander Golit - good candidate for taking information from his corpse

Eloth, on 30 May 2014 - 07:19 AM, said:

Pallid, on 30 May 2014 - 06:35 AM, said:

it boils down too the following:

do we trust Eloths and GLs reveal now?
Entering WIFOM territory, if Eloth is telling the truth then his survival is deliberate on the part of the killers to set us up for a d-day 'he should be dead lynch!'
if Eloth is lying then well his survival is easily explained.

question Eloth - who and why last night?

Who do you think? I WIFOMed that neither GL or Denul would be attacked as they have come under suspicion before, and since it was D-day coming up I decided to heal the one person I am pretty sure of to be town rather than maybe heal someone we don't know a lot about even on D-day. I healed Ampelas!

After sleeping on it I think the split is;

TOWN
Ampelas
Pallid
GL
Eloth

vs

SCUM
Denul
Barghast
Kaschan

Vote Kaschan

He has survived too long by doing nothing, he has NOT been a good town in any capacity.

Emphasizes my point about him having GL in his town reads.

[Denul]

Nimander Golit, on 29 May 2014 - 07:52 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 29 May 2014 - 07:29 PM, said:

It is now Day 3. There are 3 hours 20 minutes remaining.

9 players are alive: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kaschan, Nimander Golit, Pallid

6 votes to lynch. 5 votes to go to night.

1 vote Atrahal: Pallid
1 vote Ampelas: Denul
1 vote Barghast: Kaschan
2 votes Nimander Golit: Eloth, Atrahal

Not voted: Ampelas, Barghast, Galayn Lord, Nimander Golit

6 inno and 3 scum. Maybe 2 scum, but statistically the odds are that sukul is inno. So tomorrow WCS is 4 and 3 with 4 votes needed.

PS answered my question so I'm back to where I was. Crazy Cat Lady is scum.

Vote Ampelas

This levels the playing field. I thank Nimander for following my vote on Ampelas.

So 2 and 2 going into the last 3 hours of the day. Who sways the thread, who argues for the best lynch?

[Denul]

Nimander Golit, on 29 May 2014 - 08:36 PM, said:

Pallid, on 29 May 2014 - 08:16 PM, said:

sigh.

Lets guess what happens tonight to further wifom us all up after all you genius pushed to remove any doubt. Well fucking played

^ this.

I see no reason to keep Eloth alive. The worst that happens is we find out he wasn't lying. It removes all possible wifom relating to whether he's a healer or not. And I'm already on record as saying that I think he's scummy. He'll CF as killer, RI, or healer. Any of those help us.

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Vote Eloth

After Eloth saying he cannot self heal, but in earlier posts implying that he might, then the surrounding factors and posts it would have probably been better getting his CF. It's a lot harder to do on D day.