[Atrahal]

Denul, on 23 May 2014 - 12:54 PM, said:

There is a mistake coming up, i confused Amp and Atrahal but I quickly noticed. (I am quoting myself here) Excuse the long read.

<snip>
case for voting Atrahal
<snip>

So your case on me boils down to

1) Atrahal posts interesting comments/observations;
2) but Atrahal doesn't post anything else (so ehm, I should spam more?);
3) Barghast posts a general comment on low-poster hunts that can be read as a defense of low-posters (but is a post about low-poster hunts being strategically unfeasible);
4) Barghast plays the game right at the time there's a vote on me by Liosan;
5) Barghast's 2 out of 3 targets turn out to be town.

Honestly, dude.
about 1, ask a damned question if you're intrigued or do something with the comments themselves, don't just list them as interesting. It's easy from my first comment I don't like Pallid, clarified in my second post. Yes, that's just about my only contribution in this game - apart from sifting through the verbal purple diarrhoea.

Honestly, your listings look like notes of which you forgot WHY they were good to begin with.



about 2, it's not going to change.
about 3, that's a rather vague tie-in.
about 4, either timezone dependant, general availability or design. The question is, if it is design, is a symp/co-scum going to defend their master day 1 with a case like that?
about 5, 90% of cases are going to be wrong. And all statistics are made up on the spot. Say you lynch me and I come up town, what then? You shrug and think "it was a good theory".

Which is what I think of what Barghast did.
He put thoughts on thread that classified three people as potential scum at that point.
It was good enough that it perhaps aided some people in voting Liosan (who was probably going to get lynched).
It was a good enough summary to perhaps help convince Liosan to gun down Fener (we don't know if that was the case).


Now, I think you want the best of both worlds and as a result it doesn't make sense.


You defend Liosan's decision to vig Fener, which you praised in the discussion with Eloth on whether the vig was rightly used. In that argument, you basically took Barghast's list as the potential suspects and say Liosan eliminated 2.


So either you see Barghast's list as fairly objective and identify those on it as being the suspects under discussion, OR you say it is a deflection and say why the people on it didn't deserve to be on it at the moment of the list being made.


Right now, you're saying the big was correct by following the list, but the list was wrong, and the list was a defense.


It doesn't really make sense.

[Atrahal]

To continue the combo-posting.

If we're doing association cases, then the Denul-Eloth conversation saw Ampelas (who's in my book as a clear-headed player so far) join in on the Denul side.
I am however tempted by a madman's words as wisdom can be found in strange quarters. I think GL is mod-instructed to play a crazy dude. A sort of Kassandra, for those of you familiar with the Iliad. He sounds awfully convinced.

Vote Eloth.

[Path-Shaper]

When the weekend freeze started, we were at Day 2. 21 hours 22 minutes remaining.
Timer will unfreeze in just over 24 hours.
Votes below are updated up to this morning.

10 players are alive: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kaschan, Nimander Golit, Pallid, Sukul Ankhadu

6 votes to lynch. 5 votes to go to night.

1 vote Atrahal: Denul
2 votes Eloth: Galayn Lord, Atrahal


Not voted: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Eloth, Kaschan, Nimander Golit, Pallid, Sukul Ankhadu

[Ampelas]

Atrahal, on 26 May 2014 - 12:19 PM, said:

To continue the combo-posting.

If we're doing association cases, then the Denul-Eloth conversation saw Ampelas (who's in my book as a clear-headed player so far) join in on the Denul side.
I am however tempted by a madman's words as wisdom can be found in strange quarters. I think GL is mod-instructed to play a crazy dude. A sort of Kassandra, for those of you familiar with the Iliad. He sounds awfully convinced.

Vote Eloth.

Instructed to play in that manner as a Kassandra-type role? That seems a bit over the top for a low TMDI, and I hesitate to add weight to GL's words just because those words come out funny.

I find myself agreeing with Denul that Eloth is not my first thought for scum. On the other hand I disagree with him in that I don't see Atrahal as likely scum. I'm harboring some thoughts about a couple of players that I think are more likely, and when I have time I will get those thoughts up on thread, but this post is all I have the time for at the moment.

[Atrahal]

Ampelas, on 26 May 2014 - 11:12 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 26 May 2014 - 12:19 PM, said:

To continue the combo-posting.

If we're doing association cases, then the Denul-Eloth conversation saw Ampelas (who's in my book as a clear-headed player so far) join in on the Denul side.
I am however tempted by a madman's words as wisdom can be found in strange quarters. I think GL is mod-instructed to play a crazy dude. A sort of Kassandra, for those of you familiar with the Iliad. He sounds awfully convinced.

Vote Eloth.

Instructed to play in that manner as a Kassandra-type role? That seems a bit over the top for a low TMDI, and I hesitate to add weight to GL's words just because those words come out funny.

I find myself agreeing with Denul that Eloth is not my first thought for scum. On the other hand I disagree with him in that I don't see Atrahal as likely scum. I'm harboring some thoughts about a couple of players that I think are more likely, and when I have time I will get those thoughts up on thread, but this post is all I have the time for at the moment.

If it isn't forced, they ought to snap out of it as it becomes scummy.

[Eloth]

Atrahal, on 27 May 2014 - 07:12 AM, said:

Ampelas, on 26 May 2014 - 11:12 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 26 May 2014 - 12:19 PM, said:

To continue the combo-posting.

If we're doing association cases, then the Denul-Eloth conversation saw Ampelas (who's in my book as a clear-headed player so far) join in on the Denul side.
I am however tempted by a madman's words as wisdom can be found in strange quarters. I think GL is mod-instructed to play a crazy dude. A sort of Kassandra, for those of you familiar with the Iliad. He sounds awfully convinced.

Vote Eloth.

Instructed to play in that manner as a Kassandra-type role? That seems a bit over the top for a low TMDI, and I hesitate to add weight to GL's words just because those words come out funny.

I find myself agreeing with Denul that Eloth is not my first thought for scum. On the other hand I disagree with him in that I don't see Atrahal as likely scum. I'm harboring some thoughts about a couple of players that I think are more likely, and when I have time I will get those thoughts up on thread, but this post is all I have the time for at the moment.

If it isn't forced, they ought to snap out of it as it becomes scummy.

I find it hard to believe this is mandated behaviour, their posting stle has changed repeatedly over the course of the thread. From English toff to simpleton to computer to rhyming couplets. Any instruction to conform to certain posting patterns would, I feel, be more specific than "Be obtuse and not let users understand what the message you are trying to communicate easily"

It passed the point of being scummy whenever he buried a vote in a massive block of computer text that added nothing else but padding to try and hide it.

Spoiler

http://forum.malazan...89#entry1126389

Edit: fixed lot to not

This post has been edited by Eloth: 27 May 2014 - 07:41 AM

[Denul]

So you all think a guy that is deliberately Rping is scum? Fair enough. Not seen it done before. I have seen RP before but 100% of the time it's been by a town player, identifying themselves as town by being annoying and lynchable. Maybe the games were RP was more common scum may have done that but I didn't participate in any of those games.

Question aimed at both Atrahal and Eloth, who would be your second player to be scum?

Atrahal, I like that you are more involved. I am not sure what to make of your posts, you have sort of cherry picked what you wanted to respond to, and not commented on much else.

You have tied me in with Eloth which is "interesting"

[Denul]

Atrahal, on 22 May 2014 - 06:51 AM, said:

'llo there. You all seem jumpy as fuck.
Fener being voted for being a mysogenistic wanker and people defending him is interesting, though.

Atrahal, on 22 May 2014 - 10:23 AM, said:

Hood, on 22 May 2014 - 09:50 AM, said:

Atrahal, on 22 May 2014 - 06:51 AM, said:

'llo there. You all seem jumpy as fuck.
Fener being voted for being a mysogenistic wanker and people defending him is interesting, though.

Well you know, we are in a haunted house...

But despite it all being very interesting, there doesn't seem to be anyone who you're willing to discuss by name. Who is interesting? That's a useful question to answer.

Pallid. The need to mention a bandwagon on page 1 is interesting.

Atrahal, on 26 May 2014 - 12:15 PM, said:

Denul, on 23 May 2014 - 12:54 PM, said:

There is a mistake coming up, i confused Amp and Atrahal but I quickly noticed. (I am quoting myself here) Excuse the long read.

<snip>
case for voting Atrahal
<snip>

So your case on me boils down to

1) Atrahal posts interesting comments/observations;
2) but Atrahal doesn't post anything else (so ehm, I should spam more?);
3) Barghast posts a general comment on low-poster hunts that can be read as a defense of low-posters (but is a post about low-poster hunts being strategically unfeasible);
4) Barghast plays the game right at the time there's a vote on me by Liosan;
5) Barghast's 2 out of 3 targets turn out to be town.

Honestly, dude. ask a damned question if you're intrigued or do something with the comments themselves, don't just list them as interesting.
about 1, It's easy from my first comment I don't like Pallid, clarified in my second post. Yes, that's just about my only contribution in this game - apart from sifting through the verbal purple diarrhoea.

[Nimander Golit]

Eloth, on 27 May 2014 - 07:40 AM, said:

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I find it hard to believe this is mandated behaviour, their posting stle has changed repeatedly over the course of the thread. From English toff to simpleton to computer to rhyming couplets. Any instruction to conform to certain posting patterns would, I feel, be more specific than "Be obtuse and not let users understand what the message you are trying to communicate easily"

It passed the point of being scummy whenever he buried a vote in a massive block of computer text that added nothing else but padding to try and hide it.

<snip>

You're just saying that because it's your name buried in there. If it was somebody else you'd be praising him for his originality.

Was that not an exciting time in frozen mafialand? I could barely find the time to read it all. All you filthy low posters need to step it up. (I'm a freshly showered low poster so suck it.)

With 22 hours remaining I'm still not seeing a palatable candidate. Denul annoys me because he's tied himself to just about everyone and, as Pallid said, seems to be lining up several days worth of lynches. GL needs to stop being cutesy. Atrahal weirds me for coming up with such a lame ass, twisted excuse for GL.

[Atrahal]

Nimander Golit, on 27 May 2014 - 08:25 AM, said:

Eloth, on 27 May 2014 - 07:40 AM, said:

snip>

I find it hard to believe this is mandated behaviour, their posting stle has changed repeatedly over the course of the thread. From English toff to simpleton to computer to rhyming couplets. Any instruction to conform to certain posting patterns would, I feel, be more specific than "Be obtuse and not let users understand what the message you are trying to communicate easily"

It passed the point of being scummy whenever he buried a vote in a massive block of computer text that added nothing else but padding to try and hide it.

<snip>

You're just saying that because it's your name buried in there. If it was somebody else you'd be praising him for his originality.

Was that not an exciting time in frozen mafialand? I could barely find the time to read it all. All you filthy low posters need to step it up. (I'm a freshly showered low poster so suck it.)

With 22 hours remaining I'm still not seeing a palatable candidate. Denul annoys me because he's tied himself to just about everyone and, as Pallid said, seems to be lining up several days worth of lynches. GL needs to stop being cutesy. Atrahal weirds me for coming up with such a lame ass, twisted excuse for GL.

If GL snaps out of it, then I am proven wrong.
If he doesn't, I am not proven right or anything.
Blend did say he threw in one unusual role in sign-ups, but that was for the SHIELD game, and there's no knowing if he re-writ the theme or the whole game.

[Nimander Golit]

Atrahal, on 27 May 2014 - 08:29 AM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 27 May 2014 - 08:25 AM, said:

Eloth, on 27 May 2014 - 07:40 AM, said:

snip>

I find it hard to believe this is mandated behaviour, their posting stle has changed repeatedly over the course of the thread. From English toff to simpleton to computer to rhyming couplets. Any instruction to conform to certain posting patterns would, I feel, be more specific than "Be obtuse and not let users understand what the message you are trying to communicate easily"

It passed the point of being scummy whenever he buried a vote in a massive block of computer text that added nothing else but padding to try and hide it.

<snip>

You're just saying that because it's your name buried in there. If it was somebody else you'd be praising him for his originality.

Was that not an exciting time in frozen mafialand? I could barely find the time to read it all. All you filthy low posters need to step it up. (I'm a freshly showered low poster so suck it.)

With 22 hours remaining I'm still not seeing a palatable candidate. Denul annoys me because he's tied himself to just about everyone and, as Pallid said, seems to be lining up several days worth of lynches. GL needs to stop being cutesy. Atrahal weirds me for coming up with such a lame ass, twisted excuse for GL.

If GL snaps out of it, then I am proven wrong.
If he doesn't, I am not proven right or anything.
Blend did say he threw in one unusual role in sign-ups, but that was for the SHIELD game, and there's no knowing if he re-writ the theme or the whole game.

Are you trying to slip in theme-related speculation? "Oh, I wonder what special role from SHIELD could be the unusual mechanism?" That alone pushes you right over to the lynchable category in my mind.

[Eloth]

Nimander Golit, on 27 May 2014 - 08:39 AM, said:

Atrahal, on 27 May 2014 - 08:29 AM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 27 May 2014 - 08:25 AM, said:

Eloth, on 27 May 2014 - 07:40 AM, said:

snip>

I find it hard to believe this is mandated behaviour, their posting stle has changed repeatedly over the course of the thread. From English toff to simpleton to computer to rhyming couplets. Any instruction to conform to certain posting patterns would, I feel, be more specific than "Be obtuse and not let users understand what the message you are trying to communicate easily"

It passed the point of being scummy whenever he buried a vote in a massive block of computer text that added nothing else but padding to try and hide it.

<snip>

You're just saying that because it's your name buried in there. If it was somebody else you'd be praising him for his originality.

Was that not an exciting time in frozen mafialand? I could barely find the time to read it all. All you filthy low posters need to step it up. (I'm a freshly showered low poster so suck it.)

With 22 hours remaining I'm still not seeing a palatable candidate. Denul annoys me because he's tied himself to just about everyone and, as Pallid said, seems to be lining up several days worth of lynches. GL needs to stop being cutesy. Atrahal weirds me for coming up with such a lame ass, twisted excuse for GL.

If GL snaps out of it, then I am proven wrong.
If he doesn't, I am not proven right or anything.
Blend did say he threw in one unusual role in sign-ups, but that was for the SHIELD game, and there's no knowing if he re-writ the theme or the whole game.

Are you trying to slip in theme-related speculation? "Oh, I wonder what special role from SHIELD could be the unusual mechanism?" That alone pushes you right over to the lynchable category in my mind.

That's a very good point. He certinaly seems to be defending the RP very strongly here. Possible sympage? Must look closer.

And the RP started annoying me as soon as he WOT WOTed Fener. That he voted for me in that post sucks yeah, but that it took over 1000 characters to say vote X (and nothing else of significance) would have pissed me off regardless.

[Denul]

I think I want to have a read up. Not many people have given reads day 2. That means we will end up lynching someone random or not lynching all together.

[Denul]

Barghast, on 23 May 2014 - 02:46 PM, said:

I'm going to have a quick read up, but it's not quite two full pages, so it should be quick. After that, I'll be around for the remainder of the day.

Barghast will be back.

Barghast, on 23 May 2014 - 04:22 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 23 May 2014 - 03:35 PM, said:

Decent thoughts being put out there, and I see merit in the information that could be gained from an Atrahal or possibly a GL lynch.

We need to hear a lot more, from more people though.

I would no longer be so disinclined to vote for low-posters as we move into day 3.

I agree. Lynching the low posters yesterday would not have been in our best interest. They all had only a couple posts, none of any value, and even worse, would have left us with no leads or personal connections.

For some reason, the quote bugged out, so this is cut from post 244. Denul says, "image(I'm assuming he meant 'imagine') Lio took out Sukul(instead of Fener), that leads to no connections whatsoever."

This is why I find Denul's newfound suspicion of me symping Atrahal to be hypocrisy mixed with a severe lack of thinking things out - even worse for inciting suspicions you've yet to investigate further, so early in the day before many people have came online. Not to mention the most important piece of information - my current thoughts on said individuals.

This is why I said as much yesterday, and I stand by it. However, today is ripe with a need to turn our focus on Atrahal, Sukul, and Nimander. The game has progressed enough to discern valuable information from our silent companions. I'm thinking Sukul, Nimander, and Atrahal need to step out from the shadows and assuage our concerns. Their collective low posting would possibly provide a most unwelcome place for scum to hide.

Why is it hypocrisy, care to explain? You did come on strong after Lio voted for Atrahal. I said that Lio vigging someone like Sukul would have had no connections, but later thinking on it, I thought it would clear up someone who has only posted to save himself from modkills.

Barghast, on 23 May 2014 - 04:41 PM, said:

Denul, on 23 May 2014 - 04:02 PM, said:

Denul, on 23 May 2014 - 04:01 PM, said:

Denul, on 23 May 2014 - 04:01 PM, said:

Denul, on 23 May 2014 - 03:56 PM, said:

I am going away now, looks like I won't be influential towards lynch. I will be around to change vote, and after all the discussion I see GL or Atrahal going down today, someone else would be a shock.

I say that, but personally I don't think GL will turn out to be scum. I've said as much upthread.

It is mafia and I have been fooled before.

Given Barghast's time away from the thread, he best be coming up with something magnificent that will sway heads.

Honestly, I feel that with so much time left in the day, I'm going to hold off for now. P-S is freezing the day before it ends, then we have the extended weekend freeze. Anything of great importance would likely grow stale by the time Tuesday rolls back around.

Yeah I assumed that day would timeout before the weekend freeze started and I knew I would be away from the thread in that time. It's interesting that you did go away for a while, have a proper read up, and actually withhold your findings because it would "grow stale". Why not post them for us to mull over, and actually see which way you are swinging. What if "rl" happens and you cannot post your thoughts, or that you "forget" what you "found" during your read up.

I don't know what anyone else thinks about this, but it looks off to me.

[Eloth]

Denul said:

Barghast said:

Honestly, I feel that with so much time left in the day, I'm going to hold off for now. P-S is freezing the day before it ends, then we have the extended weekend freeze. Anything of great importance would likely grow stale by the time Tuesday rolls back around.

Yeah I assumed that day would timeout before the weekend freeze started and I knew I would be away from the thread in that time. It's interesting that you did go away for a while, have a proper read up, and actually withhold your findings because it would "grow stale". Why not post them for us to mull over, and actually see which way you are swinging. What if "rl" happens and you cannot post your thoughts, or that you "forget" what you "found" during your read up.

I don't know what anyone else thinks about this, but it looks off to me.

Made me think that it was going to be something that is going to be amazingly convincing whenever he posts it and get people all fired up against whoever he singles out, but that it will fall apart during extended scrutiny. It better be good, whatever it is, after making us wait this long with edge-of-our-seats anticipation!

[Pallid]

back
wouldn't that imply that its a crock.of sensationalist bullshit then Eloth?
I've read along over the freeze but not analysed anything overly because, well its the weekend and I had shit to sort out.
stop gap post, will read the last few pages again at tea time

[Eloth]

Pallid, on 27 May 2014 - 12:33 PM, said:

back
wouldn't that imply that its a crock.of sensationalist bullshit then Eloth?
I've read along over the freeze but not analysed anything overly because, well its the weekend and I had shit to sort out.
stop gap post, will read the last few pages again at tea time

That would indeed imply it, but I can conceive of no other reason to announce you have opinions and thoughts about the thread, then announce you will not post them until close to days end. I look forward to reading whatever it will be, but I will have a pinch swimming pool full of salt for it whenever he graces us with it.

[Denul]

Galayn Lord, on 23 May 2014 - 04:30 PM, said:

Denul, on 23 May 2014 - 04:11 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 23 May 2014 - 04:04 PM, said:

Denul, on 23 May 2014 - 03:56 PM, said:

I am going away now, looks like I won't be influential towards lynch. I will be around to change vote, and after all the discussion I see GL or Atrahal going down today, someone else would be a shock.

What odd thing to say
Why would one become shocked
Everyone is suspect

Yes, I don't want to see you lynched, but what people have said upthread ^ leads me to suspect you are a candidate for today.

There's not much discussion going on and I don't believe in an Eloth lynch eithr. I think he is a patsy

We have lots and lots of time
So let us do some rhyme
Why would I be a candidate
When all I do is give bait

GL explains his style.


Ampelas says info from my lynch
I ask what info does he think

It will not be from your interactions, but more who pushes you for the lynch and why. That's my PoV anyway.

Eloth has been shady
Unnecessarily wary
Careful with his words
Walking the fence of verbs

He suspects Eloth


But if not they then who
If not Eloth then too
Could also be suspect
Those of too quiet aspect
Do they hide within the pack
Or sit at the bottom of the sack

Wifom, where scum are hiding, within plain site, or low posting


I surely do not know
As there is not much to go
On, so therefore I have Eloth
To provide me with some meatloaf

Not sold on a target but is sticking with Eloth

Otherwise we solely lynch at random
A choice not made with venom
But nonetheless not clever
Surely there are better

Wary of a rushed lynch, just to get the lynch

Atrahal is a question
Which has not received much attention
Strongest your case is not
Ties itself in a knot

Does not like my case because it fits too easy.

With interpretation of causation
Which requires more sustenantation
But hear from Barghast I would much desire
On this matter on which you enquire

Yet he would like to hear more from Barghast

At least he is putting some effort in. I cannot see him flipping up scum.

[Path-Shaper]

Timer is unfrozen.

It is Day 2. 21 hours 22 minutes remaining.

10 players are alive: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kaschan, Nimander Golit, Pallid, Sukul Ankhadu

6 votes to lynch. 5 votes to go to night.

1 vote Atrahal: Denul
2 votes Eloth: Galayn Lord, Atrahal


Not voted: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Eloth, Kaschan, Nimander Golit, Pallid, Sukul Ankhadu

[Kaschan]

Ampelas, on 23 May 2014 - 01:06 PM, said:

Eloth, on 23 May 2014 - 10:03 AM, said:

Denul is behaving like someone who is not worried in the slightest about getting NKed. With how often he is posting and how many half baked opinions he feels confident sharing and throwing votes on as many people as he can, it makes me wonder whether he is scum, symp, or simply useful for the scum to keep around.

He agreed with me that putting pressure on Sukul is a good vote, and votes on Barghast for the exact same reason 59 minutes later he agrees that it is a bad tactic, what the hell? He puts pressure on Pallid while saying he finds it unlikely Pallid is scum and quotes posts that he himself has previously stated to be joke posts like he is building a case against Pallid. Not good play at all. Even if Pallid is a symp, misusing the posts of others is a awful way to go about trying to convince others to do that.

I don't understand how anyone could be so brazen in throwing accusations and votes all over the thread only to come out unscathed the next day without being scum or completely wrong.

HP voted for GL at the start of the day, we connect briefly over our desire to have more people contribute (I miss you you dead bastard!) Wonders about Denuls quick abandonment of a Pallid vote once Denul is threatened. Further attempts to bring GL into the limelight and GLs coasting RPing may be scum tactic. Criticises Denul once again. He leaves for a few hours then comes back on thread and agrees with the other people who are suspicious of me, I have already responded to this a few posts up. TL:DR for that post is he read a few of my statements incorrectly and disagreed with my suspicion of Denul.

Ok, if I cut the WIFOM out of your post, this is what is left. Ultimately, your case on Denul is he's been throwing a lot of shit around, hoping something will stick, and some of this vote choices have gone against his own advice on how to play. That's fair enough, but it doesn't strike me as particularily scummy. Symp-like, possible.

The WIFOM stuff, I mean, maybe scum killed HP at random and we can chase that road only to find it doesn't mean a damn thing. Let's just leave the "why skum killed so-and-so" stuff out of this.

I agree with this it has never done town any good to speculate on why someone was nked. It just creates more WIFOM.


Oh and I am very slowly getting caught up. Loads of RL that I am trying to do also.