[Denul]

Nimander Golit, on 23 May 2014 - 04:39 PM, said:

Denul, on 23 May 2014 - 02:20 PM, said:

Look at it this way.

As an ri we don't know who is scum, so Lio, Fener and HP were all innocent and they were just as clueless as the rest of us. Until we get that scum CF we cannot know why people are doing what they are doing. If for example, Atrahal turns up scum then I'll be wanting to lynch Barghast. However, if he CF's innocent I will want to vote Sukul or Nimander because their presence fits my case against Barghast being symp.

You're being rather quick to VPI yourself there are you not dearie? Life has been keeping me busy this week but I should have time now that the weekend is upon us. In the meantime I am just dying to hear how my four posts of 'presence' fit any case against anyone.

I should be seen as town because I am town, I don't know how one could VPI themselves in Mafia without reveals and stuff. If you see something you dislike with my style of play then what do you want me to do about it?


I have completed a quick read through and my one clear early thought is that Denul is playing the very good RI.

Yes. Thanks.


He's pointed fingers at just about everyone while commenting about his search for reactions. In later days he'll be able to use that prodding to defend himself quite nicely against anything anyone should try to lay at his door.

Well I hope this doesn't get to the stage where it becomes important. If we catch scum sooner than later then hopefully we can follow that back to other scum. Right now though we seem a bit lost with who the best candidate is today.



Mostly what tingles is the thorough post by post commentary without actually quoting the posts.

What now? I have quoted each of the posts, or linked back to exactly what post I am talking about. There's not a lot of content for you to go back 2 pages. I'd understand if there were 1000's of posts but there isn't.



It reminds me of all those forwarded emails that I get concerning the outrageous thing this pol said and why I should be quivering with desire to out them because of it. Those emails tend to include a link to a legitimate news site that quotes the said outrageous comment but when I follow the link it turns out that the pol didn't say quite what it is said they say. Of course the author of the screed knows that most people won't follow that link and read for themselves nor will the sheeple who duly forward it to more sheeple. I won't be putting a vote on you Denul but IGMYEOY.

That's fair enough to keep watch Nimader but who do you suggest we should lynch today and why?

[Kaschan]

Atrahal, on 26 May 2014 - 12:19 PM, said:

To continue the combo-posting.

If we're doing association cases, then the Denul-Eloth conversation saw Ampelas (who's in my book as a clear-headed player so far) join in on the Denul side.
I am however tempted by a madman's words as wisdom can be found in strange quarters. I think GL is mod-instructed to play a crazy dude. A sort of Kassandra, for those of you familiar with the Iliad. He sounds awfully convinced.

Vote Eloth.

I find that very unlikely. Other then a couple of games over the last 112 games a person acting crazy is a member of town fucking about and giving themselves a giggle.

[Denul]

Atrahal, on 26 May 2014 - 09:37 AM, said:

Denul, on 23 May 2014 - 02:12 PM, said:

This one? Dear me, it is a bit of a mess.

Eloth, on 23 May 2014 - 10:03 AM, said:

Denul, on 23 May 2014 - 08:08 AM, said:

Eloth, on 23 May 2014 - 06:52 AM, said:

Why Lio? Why use the vig on Day fucking 1. We get it, it sucks to be lynched in the randomness of day 1. But it would have been so much better to have you die without using it, than to have the situation we have now...

Got to go asap, I will respond to the accusations against me later today, I'll just say this - I avoided making cases and joining in the slap fights because it was an incredibly banal (and short) Day 1.

This sounds like false indignation.

Messremb is a newish player but you can see why he used his vig. He was getting lynched anyway, and it clears another player. I would prefer it to be used now, than on D day or something like that. The situation is not a bad one. Like I say, this reads false.

Using his suicide vig Fener does not help us in any scenario at this point. "Clearing" that player means nothing when that player is now DEAD. I would GREATLY prefer using the vig on D day when we have FAR more evidence to go on and can base our actions on more than gut feeling.

Yes, yes it does. Look at Barghast's case. It centered around 3 players. Liosan just cleared two of them. So could Pallid be scum or just another townie that Barghast is pointing us towards? If the vig gets it wrong D day it is game over. Right now, it is not game over. We have lots of time left.



I disagree that the situation is not bad, this was the worst possible outcome for day 1. The situation is far from untenable of course, and we can still win, but it would have been easier if the situation were other than what it is right now.

Yes it is the worst possible outcome on day 1. 3 dead town but better the town being suspects than unknowns, image Lio took out Sukul, that leads to no connections whatsoever, although it does clear a low poster. In fact, that would have been a good move too. I do no fault Lio for using his town ability when he was up for the chop. He should not have gotten himself into the position he did. Look at us RI's that's our job. To make cases and stand out. That way, he would still be alive, and we would have a vig in our pocket. Yet we all decided he was best option for the lynch AND YOU VOTED FOR HIM TOO AND FORCED HIS HAND. I am saying Barghast was the main protagonist of that but you helped. I helped, all the ones that voted for Lio helped. Yet the day after you come on and go, "why Lio, why did you do it", that cries of false indignation to me and I said it that way.


I don't understand the heat I'm getting for playing cautiously on the only day when we have no concrete evidence of any kind, but I will lay my cards on the table right now.

I was not part of your heat. I have said as much.

Denul is behaving like someone who is not worried in the slightest about getting NKed.

I am not worried about that, if I am killed I am killed and you can use my death. I am worried about not getting lynches in and putting people under pressure.


With how often he is posting and how many half baked opinions he feels confident sharing and throwing votes on as many people as he can, it makes me wonder whether he is scum, symp, or simply useful for the scum to keep around.

So I am scum, symp or useful to scum? What happens when I CF RI? You will pick whatever suits you best. So, come on Eloth, what am I?




If I were scum he would have been the number one target for a NK because he has only added to the confusion

Okay, you just said I was useful to scum but now you are saying you would have killed me if you were scum?



, as well as killing off the highest poster in the game, slowing the exchange of information. The only reasons I can imagine him being alove today over HP is (1) He is scum (2) He is symp/useful to scum at the moment by distracting from them) (3) He is barking up the wrong tree or (4) HP was on point with his posts.

See, looking into the night kill like this is scummy Eloth. You cannot know why they picked HP at all. It's WIFOM of the highest caliber.



He agreed with me that putting pressure on Sukul is a good vote, and votes on Barghast for the exact same reason 59 minutes later he agrees that it is a bad tactic, what the hell? He puts pressure on Pallid while saying he finds it unlikely Pallid is scum and quotes posts that he himself has previously stated to be joke posts like he is building a case against Pallid. Not good play at all. Even if Pallid is a symp, misusing the posts of others is a awful way to go about trying to convince others to do that.

Quote this sequence of events please. You are trying to put things there, that don't exist.


I don't understand how anyone could be so brazen in throwing accusations and votes all over the thread only to come out unscathed the next day without being scum or completely wrong.

I was obviously completely wrong, my vote stayed on Liosan.

Vote Denul

HP voted for GL at the start of the day, we connect briefly over our desire to have more people contribute (I miss you you dead bastard!) Wonders about Denuls quick abandonment of a Pallid vote once Denul is threatened.

Lies.

Further attempts to bring GL into the limelight and GLs coasting RPing may be scum tactic. Criticises Denul once again. He leaves for a few hours then comes back on thread and agrees with the other people who are suspicious of me, I have already responded to this a few posts up. TL:DR for that post is he read a few of my statements incorrectly and disagreed with my suspicion of Denul.


Who are you reading here? HP? Why are you not quoting him? You are basing your vote off of the night kill and yet you are not posting HP's criticism of me and then disagreeing with you about suspecting me. This whole shit case is so shit and messy and fucking idiotic.

Long and short of it is HP was NKed after putting 3 people into the spotlight during day 1. GL, Denul, and me. No, you do not know this, you cannot know this and you're fucking thick to fucking think it. For fuck sake, are you in special school?



He seemed to switch off Denul in favour of a vote for me since he seems to think my dislike of Denul is due to sheltering Pallid.

The Hate


I don't have a read on GL yet, but

It grows

that is because he hasn't stopped RPing which I think he should now.


I think HP was killed for pointing at GL or Denul

and grows



(Obviously, since I'm ne and I know I'm town, I am certain he was not killed for pointing at me, but obviously you will all have to consider the evidence yourselves) and would welcoime further discussion about both of them. Until then my vote stays where it is

Omg, I didn't even read this fully before. I think I just puked a little in my mouth.

That ^. Whatever that is. Is disgusting and so bad. Focusing today's vote on the night kill.




To end. Eloth, even though that case is awful, I applaud you for trying. I don't even have you in my scum read at the moment.

I still prefer Atrahal over anyone else today, but just for you, I will have a read over HP.

I see the point for voting me, because I'm sure I can't contribute much. I hesitated to post because it resets the modkill timer but in the end, giving up is not my style and I am not sure it benefits town, especially not with the day 1 ninja taken into account.


Since no-one has a read on me, a lynch will thus be be arbitrary and everyone could/should be on the train, town and scum alike.
Long term, however, it might mean an additional player who can contribute more in the end-game rather than me, who might be low-lying scum. So there's a bit of clarification in the CF.


Now to catch up a little bit.

So Atrahal says leave him be, until later on when he can become more active. What I find scummy about this type of play is that we'd be letting a player have a free ride to end game. It's dangerous when people don't have a read on you.

[Denul]

I will let Kaschan do his catch up.

I like Atrahal's post directed at Barghast.

[Kaschan]

Atrahal, on 27 May 2014 - 08:29 AM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 27 May 2014 - 08:25 AM, said:

Eloth, on 27 May 2014 - 07:40 AM, said:

snip>

I find it hard to believe this is mandated behaviour, their posting stle has changed repeatedly over the course of the thread. From English toff to simpleton to computer to rhyming couplets. Any instruction to conform to certain posting patterns would, I feel, be more specific than "Be obtuse and not let users understand what the message you are trying to communicate easily"

It passed the point of being scummy whenever he buried a vote in a massive block of computer text that added nothing else but padding to try and hide it.

<snip>

You're just saying that because it's your name buried in there. If it was somebody else you'd be praising him for his originality.

Was that not an exciting time in frozen mafialand? I could barely find the time to read it all. All you filthy low posters need to step it up. (I'm a freshly showered low poster so suck it.)

With 22 hours remaining I'm still not seeing a palatable candidate. Denul annoys me because he's tied himself to just about everyone and, as Pallid said, seems to be lining up several days worth of lynches. GL needs to stop being cutesy. Atrahal weirds me for coming up with such a lame ass, twisted excuse for GL.

If GL snaps out of it, then I am proven wrong.
If he doesn't, I am not proven right or anything.
Blend did say he threw in one unusual role in sign-ups, but that was for the SHIELD game, and there's no knowing if he re-writ the theme or the whole game.

There is an very easy way to know. You just PM ps and ask, that is what I did. Nothing from the Shield game is in this game.

[Kaschan]

Nimander Golit, on 27 May 2014 - 08:39 AM, said:

Atrahal, on 27 May 2014 - 08:29 AM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 27 May 2014 - 08:25 AM, said:

Eloth, on 27 May 2014 - 07:40 AM, said:

snip>

I find it hard to believe this is mandated behaviour, their posting stle has changed repeatedly over the course of the thread. From English toff to simpleton to computer to rhyming couplets. Any instruction to conform to certain posting patterns would, I feel, be more specific than "Be obtuse and not let users understand what the message you are trying to communicate easily"

It passed the point of being scummy whenever he buried a vote in a massive block of computer text that added nothing else but padding to try and hide it.

<snip>

You're just saying that because it's your name buried in there. If it was somebody else you'd be praising him for his originality.

Was that not an exciting time in frozen mafialand? I could barely find the time to read it all. All you filthy low posters need to step it up. (I'm a freshly showered low poster so suck it.)

With 22 hours remaining I'm still not seeing a palatable candidate. Denul annoys me because he's tied himself to just about everyone and, as Pallid said, seems to be lining up several days worth of lynches. GL needs to stop being cutesy. Atrahal weirds me for coming up with such a lame ass, twisted excuse for GL.

If GL snaps out of it, then I am proven wrong.
If he doesn't, I am not proven right or anything.
Blend did say he threw in one unusual role in sign-ups, but that was for the SHIELD game, and there's no knowing if he re-writ the theme or the whole game.

Are you trying to slip in theme-related speculation? "Oh, I wonder what special role from SHIELD could be the unusual mechanism?" That alone pushes you right over to the lynchable category in my mind.

I agree it seems like a very specific attempt to create WIFOM where there should be none.

[Kaschan]

Denul, on 23 May 2014 - 04:01 PM, said:

Denul, on 23 May 2014 - 03:56 PM, said:

I am going away now, looks like I won't be influential towards lynch. I will be around to change vote, and after all the discussion I see GL or Atrahal going down today, someone else would be a shock.

I say that, but personally I don't think GL will turn out to be scum. I've said as much upthread.

Denul, on 23 May 2014 - 04:01 PM, said:

Denul, on 23 May 2014 - 04:01 PM, said:

Denul, on 23 May 2014 - 03:56 PM, said:

I am going away now, looks like I won't be influential towards lynch. I will be around to change vote, and after all the discussion I see GL or Atrahal going down today, someone else would be a shock.

I say that, but personally I don't think GL will turn out to be scum. I've said as much upthread.

It is mafia and I have been fooled before.

These were posted at almost the same exact time. Do you feel the need to pad your post count so much so that you double reply to the same set of quotes?

[Denul]

Kaschan, on 27 May 2014 - 01:47 PM, said:

Denul, on 23 May 2014 - 04:01 PM, said:

Denul, on 23 May 2014 - 03:56 PM, said:

I am going away now, looks like I won't be influential towards lynch. I will be around to change vote, and after all the discussion I see GL or Atrahal going down today, someone else would be a shock.

I say that, but personally I don't think GL will turn out to be scum. I've said as much upthread.

Denul, on 23 May 2014 - 04:01 PM, said:

Denul, on 23 May 2014 - 04:01 PM, said:

Denul, on 23 May 2014 - 03:56 PM, said:

I am going away now, looks like I won't be influential towards lynch. I will be around to change vote, and after all the discussion I see GL or Atrahal going down today, someone else would be a shock.

I say that, but personally I don't think GL will turn out to be scum. I've said as much upthread.

It is mafia and I have been fooled before.

These were posted at almost the same exact time. Do you feel the need to pad your post count so much so that you double reply to the same set of quotes?

Ha ha, end of day Friday. I thought it was going to be last time I posted before the weekend freeze and before lynch. I didn't know we'd get extra time.

[Kaschan]

Eloth, on 23 May 2014 - 10:03 AM, said:

Using his suicide vig Fener does not help us in any scenario at this point. "Clearing" that player means nothing when that player is now DEAD. I would GREATLY prefer using the vig on D day when we have FAR more evidence to go on and can base our actions on more than gut feeling.

I disagree that the situation is not bad, this was the worst possible outcome for day 1. The situation is far from untenable of course, and we can still win, but it would have been easier if the situation were other than what it is right now.

I don't understand the heat I'm getting for playing cautiously on the only day when we have no concrete evidence of any kind, but I will lay my cards on the table right now.

Denul is behaving like someone who is not worried in the slightest about getting NKed. With how often he is posting and how many half baked opinions he feels confident sharing and throwing votes on as many people as he can, it makes me wonder whether he is scum, symp, or simply useful for the scum to keep around. If I were scum he would have been the number one target for a NK because he has only added to the confusion, as well as killing off the highest poster in the game, slowing the exchange of information. The only reasons I can imagine him being alove today over HP is (1) He is scum (2) He is symp/useful to scum at the moment by distracting from them) (3) He is barking up the wrong tree or (4) HP was on point with his posts.

He agreed with me that putting pressure on Sukul is a good vote, and votes on Barghast for the exact same reason 59 minutes later he agrees that it is a bad tactic, what the hell? He puts pressure on Pallid while saying he finds it unlikely Pallid is scum and quotes posts that he himself has previously stated to be joke posts like he is building a case against Pallid. Not good play at all. Even if Pallid is a symp, misusing the posts of others is a awful way to go about trying to convince others to do that.

I don't understand how anyone could be so brazen in throwing accusations and votes all over the thread only to come out unscathed the next day without being scum or completely wrong.

Vote Denul

HP voted for GL at the start of the day, we connect briefly over our desire to have more people contribute (I miss you you dead bastard!) Wonders about Denuls quick abandonment of a Pallid vote once Denul is threatened. Further attempts to bring GL into the limelight and GLs coasting RPing may be scum tactic. Criticises Denul once again. He leaves for a few hours then comes back on thread and agrees with the other people who are suspicious of me, I have already responded to this a few posts up. TL:DR for that post is he read a few of my statements incorrectly and disagreed with my suspicion of Denul.

Long and short of it is HP was NKed after putting 3 people into the spotlight during day 1. GL, Denul, and me. He seemed to switch off Denul in favour of a vote for me since he seems to think my dislike of Denul is due to sheltering Pallid. I don't have a read on GL yet, but that is because he hasn't stopped RPing which I think he should now. I think HP was killed for pointing at GL or Denul (Obviously, since I'm ne and I know I'm town, I am certain he was not killed for pointing at me, but obviously you will all have to consider the evidence yourselves) and would welcoime further discussion about both of them. Until then my vote stays where it is

The underlined sentences seem very scummy to me. It has been my experience that scum keeps players who are confusing the thread around because they create WIFOM. So why as scum would you kill someone who is doing that. Every opinion is halfbaked until scum is lynched so that doesn't make any sense. This entire post just strikes me as off.

Then at the bottom of your post you speculate on why someone was night killed. Which just creates WIFOM which is what you were accusing Denul of doing earlier in your post. This entire post is contradictory. I suspect that you are a symp. I am just not sure who you are symping.

[Kaschan]

We still have a bit of time before the day ends I am inclined to vote for Eloth but I am going to hold off until more people get on and post today. I am going to go back over and take a look at Eloths posts and try to see who he could be symping.

[Denul]

Kaschan, on 27 May 2014 - 02:10 PM, said:

We still have a bit of time before the day ends I am inclined to vote for Eloth but I am going to hold off until more people get on and post today. I am going to go back over and take a look at Eloths posts and try to see who he could be symping.

I didn't check how long we have left today but you are right. We also need others to come on and give us their thoughts.

remove vote

Vote Barghast

I want to hear more from him. His posts on Friday promised his thoughts and then he decided it would be best for him to wait until 72 hours or so has passed before letting us have them.

[Atrahal]

Denul, on 27 May 2014 - 01:24 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 26 May 2014 - 09:37 AM, said:

Denul, on 23 May 2014 - 02:12 PM, said:

This one? Dear me, it is a bit of a mess.

Eloth, on 23 May 2014 - 10:03 AM, said:

Denul, on 23 May 2014 - 08:08 AM, said:

Eloth, on 23 May 2014 - 06:52 AM, said:

Why Lio? Why use the vig on Day fucking 1. We get it, it sucks to be lynched in the randomness of day 1. But it would have been so much better to have you die without using it, than to have the situation we have now...

Got to go asap, I will respond to the accusations against me later today, I'll just say this - I avoided making cases and joining in the slap fights because it was an incredibly banal (and short) Day 1.

This sounds like false indignation.

Messremb is a newish player but you can see why he used his vig. He was getting lynched anyway, and it clears another player. I would prefer it to be used now, than on D day or something like that. The situation is not a bad one. Like I say, this reads false.

Using his suicide vig Fener does not help us in any scenario at this point. "Clearing" that player means nothing when that player is now DEAD. I would GREATLY prefer using the vig on D day when we have FAR more evidence to go on and can base our actions on more than gut feeling.

Yes, yes it does. Look at Barghast's case. It centered around 3 players. Liosan just cleared two of them. So could Pallid be scum or just another townie that Barghast is pointing us towards? If the vig gets it wrong D day it is game over. Right now, it is not game over. We have lots of time left.



I disagree that the situation is not bad, this was the worst possible outcome for day 1. The situation is far from untenable of course, and we can still win, but it would have been easier if the situation were other than what it is right now.

Yes it is the worst possible outcome on day 1. 3 dead town but better the town being suspects than unknowns, image Lio took out Sukul, that leads to no connections whatsoever, although it does clear a low poster. In fact, that would have been a good move too. I do no fault Lio for using his town ability when he was up for the chop. He should not have gotten himself into the position he did. Look at us RI's that's our job. To make cases and stand out. That way, he would still be alive, and we would have a vig in our pocket. Yet we all decided he was best option for the lynch AND YOU VOTED FOR HIM TOO AND FORCED HIS HAND. I am saying Barghast was the main protagonist of that but you helped. I helped, all the ones that voted for Lio helped. Yet the day after you come on and go, "why Lio, why did you do it", that cries of false indignation to me and I said it that way.


I don't understand the heat I'm getting for playing cautiously on the only day when we have no concrete evidence of any kind, but I will lay my cards on the table right now.

I was not part of your heat. I have said as much.

Denul is behaving like someone who is not worried in the slightest about getting NKed.

I am not worried about that, if I am killed I am killed and you can use my death. I am worried about not getting lynches in and putting people under pressure.


With how often he is posting and how many half baked opinions he feels confident sharing and throwing votes on as many people as he can, it makes me wonder whether he is scum, symp, or simply useful for the scum to keep around.

So I am scum, symp or useful to scum? What happens when I CF RI? You will pick whatever suits you best. So, come on Eloth, what am I?




If I were scum he would have been the number one target for a NK because he has only added to the confusion

Okay, you just said I was useful to scum but now you are saying you would have killed me if you were scum?



, as well as killing off the highest poster in the game, slowing the exchange of information. The only reasons I can imagine him being alove today over HP is (1) He is scum (2) He is symp/useful to scum at the moment by distracting from them) (3) He is barking up the wrong tree or (4) HP was on point with his posts.

See, looking into the night kill like this is scummy Eloth. You cannot know why they picked HP at all. It's WIFOM of the highest caliber.



He agreed with me that putting pressure on Sukul is a good vote, and votes on Barghast for the exact same reason 59 minutes later he agrees that it is a bad tactic, what the hell? He puts pressure on Pallid while saying he finds it unlikely Pallid is scum and quotes posts that he himself has previously stated to be joke posts like he is building a case against Pallid. Not good play at all. Even if Pallid is a symp, misusing the posts of others is a awful way to go about trying to convince others to do that.

Quote this sequence of events please. You are trying to put things there, that don't exist.


I don't understand how anyone could be so brazen in throwing accusations and votes all over the thread only to come out unscathed the next day without being scum or completely wrong.

I was obviously completely wrong, my vote stayed on Liosan.

Vote Denul

HP voted for GL at the start of the day, we connect briefly over our desire to have more people contribute (I miss you you dead bastard!) Wonders about Denuls quick abandonment of a Pallid vote once Denul is threatened.

Lies.

Further attempts to bring GL into the limelight and GLs coasting RPing may be scum tactic. Criticises Denul once again. He leaves for a few hours then comes back on thread and agrees with the other people who are suspicious of me, I have already responded to this a few posts up. TL:DR for that post is he read a few of my statements incorrectly and disagreed with my suspicion of Denul.


Who are you reading here? HP? Why are you not quoting him? You are basing your vote off of the night kill and yet you are not posting HP's criticism of me and then disagreeing with you about suspecting me. This whole shit case is so shit and messy and fucking idiotic.

Long and short of it is HP was NKed after putting 3 people into the spotlight during day 1. GL, Denul, and me. No, you do not know this, you cannot know this and you're fucking thick to fucking think it. For fuck sake, are you in special school?



He seemed to switch off Denul in favour of a vote for me since he seems to think my dislike of Denul is due to sheltering Pallid.

The Hate


I don't have a read on GL yet, but

It grows

that is because he hasn't stopped RPing which I think he should now.


I think HP was killed for pointing at GL or Denul

and grows



(Obviously, since I'm ne and I know I'm town, I am certain he was not killed for pointing at me, but obviously you will all have to consider the evidence yourselves) and would welcoime further discussion about both of them. Until then my vote stays where it is

Omg, I didn't even read this fully before. I think I just puked a little in my mouth.

That ^. Whatever that is. Is disgusting and so bad. Focusing today's vote on the night kill.




To end. Eloth, even though that case is awful, I applaud you for trying. I don't even have you in my scum read at the moment.

I still prefer Atrahal over anyone else today, but just for you, I will have a read over HP.

I see the point for voting me, because I'm sure I can't contribute much. I hesitated to post because it resets the modkill timer but in the end, giving up is not my style and I am not sure it benefits town, especially not with the day 1 ninja taken into account.

Since no-one has a read on me, a lynch will thus be be arbitrary and everyone could/should be on the train, town and scum alike.
Long term, however, it might mean an additional player who can contribute more in the end-game rather than me, who might be low-lying scum. So there's a bit of clarification in the CF.

Now to catch up a little bit.

So Atrahal says leave him be, until later on when he can become more active. What I find scummy about this type of play is that we'd be letting a player have a free ride to end game. It's dangerous when people don't have a read on you.

You completely misread that. Instead of shutting up or asking for clarification, you then happily misconstruct it.

THE STATEMENT SAYS:

Part 1: If you lynch me, it's arbitrary because there's no case other than NOT CONTRIBUTING to lynching me. So the train will have zero information useful for analysis as EVERYONE, town and scum alike, will be HAPPY to vote me off.

Part 2: IF YOU DO LYNCH ME, HOWEVER, THERE IS A BENEFIT. You won't lynch a player who can contribute MORE than I can in my place, today. ERGO, you go to the endgame with a player you have a better read on.


*************************
That's symptomatic for your whole play.

You, Denul, are reading scum into everything.
Low poster? Scum, lying low.
Higher poster than you, for five minutes? Scum directing the thread.
Say something you don't understand? Scum trying to confuse everyone.
Say something you said before? Town, because he agrees with your genius, or.... wait, he can be scum, because he agrees with your genius.

Player comments on a low-poster hunt? Scum protecting scum.
Person posts when another player received his first vote? Scum.
Person voting a different person than you? Scum.

And when? The middle of day 2, after a day in which town didn't manage a lynch.


In the mean time, you have removed your vote and put it on other people what? 5 Times on day 1? More?
You probably call it putting pressure on, but it does nothing of the sort, because you move on to the next subject after five minutes tops and twenty posts full of quotation marks. Basically, when you grow bored, and before you actually managed to ask a single question of the person you're "pressuring".


Fwiw, I am half way to expecting you claiming that the vote on me got me to contribute (ehm, no, work dropping of).
Maybe you'll claim that you got a rise out of me. Much good it does either of us: day 2 is spoiled by a pissing match and after 48 hours of play (and more) you're still playing vote the fucking low poster.
Meanwhile, a person of interest like Pallid drops off the radar completely so far, GL can go crazy as he does, Ampelas is middle-of-the-roading being sensible and Barghast, on whom you had a "MAIN CASE" (direct quotation) doesn't even get a glimpse. Wow, Sherlock.

Next game, do me a fucking favor.
When your hands itch, don't post. Just go to the loo and masturbate. It's more fun for you AND me.

[Eloth]

Kaschan, on 27 May 2014 - 02:04 PM, said:

snip

The underlined sentences seem very scummy to me. It has been my experience that scum keeps players who are confusing the thread around because they create WIFOM. So why as scum would you kill someone who is doing that. Every opinion is halfbaked until scum is lynched so that doesn't make any sense. This entire post just strikes me as off.

Then at the bottom of your post you speculate on why someone was night killed. Which just creates WIFOM which is what you were accusing Denul of doing earlier in your post. This entire post is contradictory. I suspect that you are a symp. I am just not sure who you are symping.

Welcome to 4 days ago, going to be fun watching you catch up

[Atrahal]

Denul, on 27 May 2014 - 02:18 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 27 May 2014 - 02:10 PM, said:

We still have a bit of time before the day ends I am inclined to vote for Eloth but I am going to hold off until more people get on and post today. I am going to go back over and take a look at Eloths posts and try to see who he could be symping.

I didn't check how long we have left today but you are right. We also need others to come on and give us their thoughts.

remove vote

Vote Barghast

I want to hear more from him. His posts on Friday promised his thoughts and then he decided it would be best for him to wait until 72 hours or so has passed before letting us have them.

Point in fucking case.

See? Someone doesn't jump for whatever the reason may be (limited windows, busy weekend, bank holiday) and you vote them.
Why? Because it is scummy (which it isn't, unless he has come on several times with lots of time on his hands but keeping the cards to his chest), or because you don't like it?

[Atrahal]

Anyway, from here on, I'll be posting on my phone only as I leave for holiday. That will mean no multi-quotes, limited posting times and terse messages with the occassional spelling mistake in it.

[Denul]

Atrahal, on 27 May 2014 - 02:20 PM, said:

Denul, on 27 May 2014 - 01:24 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 26 May 2014 - 09:37 AM, said:

Denul, on 23 May 2014 - 02:12 PM, said:

This one? Dear me, it is a bit of a mess.

Eloth, on 23 May 2014 - 10:03 AM, said:

Denul, on 23 May 2014 - 08:08 AM, said:

Eloth, on 23 May 2014 - 06:52 AM, said:

Why Lio? Why use the vig on Day fucking 1. We get it, it sucks to be lynched in the randomness of day 1. But it would have been so much better to have you die without using it, than to have the situation we have now...

Got to go asap, I will respond to the accusations against me later today, I'll just say this - I avoided making cases and joining in the slap fights because it was an incredibly banal (and short) Day 1.

This sounds like false indignation.

Messremb is a newish player but you can see why he used his vig. He was getting lynched anyway, and it clears another player. I would prefer it to be used now, than on D day or something like that. The situation is not a bad one. Like I say, this reads false.

Using his suicide vig Fener does not help us in any scenario at this point. "Clearing" that player means nothing when that player is now DEAD. I would GREATLY prefer using the vig on D day when we have FAR more evidence to go on and can base our actions on more than gut feeling.

Yes, yes it does. Look at Barghast's case. It centered around 3 players. Liosan just cleared two of them. So could Pallid be scum or just another townie that Barghast is pointing us towards? If the vig gets it wrong D day it is game over. Right now, it is not game over. We have lots of time left.



I disagree that the situation is not bad, this was the worst possible outcome for day 1. The situation is far from untenable of course, and we can still win, but it would have been easier if the situation were other than what it is right now.

Yes it is the worst possible outcome on day 1. 3 dead town but better the town being suspects than unknowns, image Lio took out Sukul, that leads to no connections whatsoever, although it does clear a low poster. In fact, that would have been a good move too. I do no fault Lio for using his town ability when he was up for the chop. He should not have gotten himself into the position he did. Look at us RI's that's our job. To make cases and stand out. That way, he would still be alive, and we would have a vig in our pocket. Yet we all decided he was best option for the lynch AND YOU VOTED FOR HIM TOO AND FORCED HIS HAND. I am saying Barghast was the main protagonist of that but you helped. I helped, all the ones that voted for Lio helped. Yet the day after you come on and go, "why Lio, why did you do it", that cries of false indignation to me and I said it that way.


I don't understand the heat I'm getting for playing cautiously on the only day when we have no concrete evidence of any kind, but I will lay my cards on the table right now.

I was not part of your heat. I have said as much.

Denul is behaving like someone who is not worried in the slightest about getting NKed.

I am not worried about that, if I am killed I am killed and you can use my death. I am worried about not getting lynches in and putting people under pressure.


With how often he is posting and how many half baked opinions he feels confident sharing and throwing votes on as many people as he can, it makes me wonder whether he is scum, symp, or simply useful for the scum to keep around.

So I am scum, symp or useful to scum? What happens when I CF RI? You will pick whatever suits you best. So, come on Eloth, what am I?




If I were scum he would have been the number one target for a NK because he has only added to the confusion

Okay, you just said I was useful to scum but now you are saying you would have killed me if you were scum?



, as well as killing off the highest poster in the game, slowing the exchange of information. The only reasons I can imagine him being alove today over HP is (1) He is scum (2) He is symp/useful to scum at the moment by distracting from them) (3) He is barking up the wrong tree or (4) HP was on point with his posts.

See, looking into the night kill like this is scummy Eloth. You cannot know why they picked HP at all. It's WIFOM of the highest caliber.



He agreed with me that putting pressure on Sukul is a good vote, and votes on Barghast for the exact same reason 59 minutes later he agrees that it is a bad tactic, what the hell? He puts pressure on Pallid while saying he finds it unlikely Pallid is scum and quotes posts that he himself has previously stated to be joke posts like he is building a case against Pallid. Not good play at all. Even if Pallid is a symp, misusing the posts of others is a awful way to go about trying to convince others to do that.

Quote this sequence of events please. You are trying to put things there, that don't exist.


I don't understand how anyone could be so brazen in throwing accusations and votes all over the thread only to come out unscathed the next day without being scum or completely wrong.

I was obviously completely wrong, my vote stayed on Liosan.

Vote Denul

HP voted for GL at the start of the day, we connect briefly over our desire to have more people contribute (I miss you you dead bastard!) Wonders about Denuls quick abandonment of a Pallid vote once Denul is threatened.

Lies.

Further attempts to bring GL into the limelight and GLs coasting RPing may be scum tactic. Criticises Denul once again. He leaves for a few hours then comes back on thread and agrees with the other people who are suspicious of me, I have already responded to this a few posts up. TL:DR for that post is he read a few of my statements incorrectly and disagreed with my suspicion of Denul.


Who are you reading here? HP? Why are you not quoting him? You are basing your vote off of the night kill and yet you are not posting HP's criticism of me and then disagreeing with you about suspecting me. This whole shit case is so shit and messy and fucking idiotic.

Long and short of it is HP was NKed after putting 3 people into the spotlight during day 1. GL, Denul, and me. No, you do not know this, you cannot know this and you're fucking thick to fucking think it. For fuck sake, are you in special school?



He seemed to switch off Denul in favour of a vote for me since he seems to think my dislike of Denul is due to sheltering Pallid.

The Hate


I don't have a read on GL yet, but

It grows

that is because he hasn't stopped RPing which I think he should now.


I think HP was killed for pointing at GL or Denul

and grows



(Obviously, since I'm ne and I know I'm town, I am certain he was not killed for pointing at me, but obviously you will all have to consider the evidence yourselves) and would welcoime further discussion about both of them. Until then my vote stays where it is

Omg, I didn't even read this fully before. I think I just puked a little in my mouth.

That ^. Whatever that is. Is disgusting and so bad. Focusing today's vote on the night kill.




To end. Eloth, even though that case is awful, I applaud you for trying. I don't even have you in my scum read at the moment.

I still prefer Atrahal over anyone else today, but just for you, I will have a read over HP.

I see the point for voting me, because I'm sure I can't contribute much. I hesitated to post because it resets the modkill timer but in the end, giving up is not my style and I am not sure it benefits town, especially not with the day 1 ninja taken into account.

Since no-one has a read on me, a lynch will thus be be arbitrary and everyone could/should be on the train, town and scum alike.
Long term, however, it might mean an additional player who can contribute more in the end-game rather than me, who might be low-lying scum. So there's a bit of clarification in the CF.

Now to catch up a little bit.

So Atrahal says leave him be, until later on when he can become more active. What I find scummy about this type of play is that we'd be letting a player have a free ride to end game. It's dangerous when people don't have a read on you.

You completely misread that. Instead of shutting up or asking for clarification, you then happily misconstruct it.

THE STATEMENT SAYS:

Part 1: If you lynch me, it's arbitrary because there's no case other than NOT CONTRIBUTING to lynching me. So the train will have zero information useful for analysis as EVERYONE, town and scum alike, will be HAPPY to vote me off.

Part 2: IF YOU DO LYNCH ME, HOWEVER, THERE IS A BENEFIT. You won't lynch a player who can contribute MORE than I can in my place, today. ERGO, you go to the endgame with a player you have a better read on.


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That's symptomatic for your whole play.

You, Denul, are reading scum into everything. (That's what you're meant to be doing as RI, looking for scum in everything, multiple things add up and you go from there. Pressure this player for one thing and pressure another player for another thing)
Low poster? Scum, lying low. (Possible, yes, WCS there is more than one scum, and they don't usually play the same way)
Higher poster than you, for five minutes? Scum directing the thread. (I have never said this once this game)
Say something you don't understand? Scum trying to confuse everyone. (not said this either)
Say something you said before? Town, because he agrees with your genius, or.... wait, he can be scum, because he agrees with your genius. (come on you're better than that, its funny how I am the only one who has been poking at you, other people have not seen the merit in an Atrahal lynch, and instead of looking for scum you are pretty aggressive towards me)

Player comments on a low-poster hunt? Scum protecting scum. (This is possible, Barghast did not want us looking at the low lying players)
Person posts when another player received his first vote? Scum. (Is this Barghast again?)
Person voting a different person than you? Scum. (who? I don't know who this one relates to)

Splitting it up here because I was a bit confused with the second part of your rant. Going to read it again.

[Denul]

Okay..

Quote

And when? The middle of day 2, after a day in which town didn't manage a lynch. ( What? This bit confuses me. What are you trying to say here? We are in the middle of day two right now, we have had minimum activity which means without actually trying to get people to respond, the day would stagnate and we'd be no closer to anywhere)


In the mean time, you have removed your vote and put it on other people what? 5 Times on day 1? More? (Yes. At least I fucking voted day one you piece of shit. What are town meant to do? Yes, the answer is fucking lynch. So without voting, you don't fucking lynch. For fuck sake, here you are preaching about my voting habits when you have none to look back at. One fucking vote. One.)

Quote

You probably call it putting pressure on, but it does nothing of the sort, because you move on to the next subject after five minutes tops and twenty posts full of quotation marks. Basically, when you grow bored, and before you actually managed to ask a single question of the person you're "pressuring". (Yes, but when it comes back to it, later in the game I can go back and see what I thought was scummy about certain individuals at the time, and what I thought warranted a vote. I piece it together like a jigsaw motherfucker, you play your game and I'll play mine)


Fwiw, I am half way to expecting you claiming that the vote on me got me to contribute (ehm, no, work dropping of). (EVEN IF IT DID NOT GET YOU TO CONTRIBUTE, YOU HAVE DONE, AND ITS ALL YOU'VE FOCUSED ON. YOU HAVE NOT GIVEN US MUCH ELSE. WHAT'S THAT ABOUT? IF YOU ARE SO FUCKING GOOD AT BEING TOWN, THEN DO ENLIGHTEN ME AS TO WHO IS SCUM)
Maybe you'll claim that you got a rise out of me. Much good it does either of us: day 2 is spoiled by a pissing match and after 48 hours of play (and more) you're still playing vote the fucking low poster. (Yes, yes I would like to get rid of low posters right now. What's wrong with that? Again, letting them ride through to end game is not an option in my opinion)
Meanwhile, a person of interest like Pallid drops off the radar completely so far, (good point, work on that a little more)



GL can go crazy as he does, Ampelas is middle-of-the-roading being sensible and Barghast, on whom you had a "MAIN CASE" (direct quotation) doesn't even get a glimpse. Wow, Sherlock. (I am not going to be voting Ampelas anytime soon, I'll vote GL to get a lynch but won't believe he is scum and I am voting for Barghast)

Next game, do me a fucking favor.
When your hands itch, don't post. Just go to the loo and masturbate. It's more fun for you AND me.

Well this game do me a fucking favour and up your game. Fucking town have lost numerous games the last few times and you're preaching me about commenting on everything and wanting to interact with people. Make a case, come on. I am waiting.

[Ampelas]

Nimander Golit, on 21 May 2014 - 09:39 PM, said:

Eloth, on 21 May 2014 - 09:24 PM, said:

Pallid, on 21 May 2014 - 09:14 PM, said:

jumping straight on to bandwagoning lio?



what the fuck?

Agreed wholeheartedly bandwagoning is chickenshit, and now for something completely different;

Vote Pallid

Deflecting from Fener this early is damn suspicious if you ask me.

Nimander Golit, on 23 May 2014 - 04:39 PM, said:

Denul, on 23 May 2014 - 02:20 PM, said:

Look at it this way.

As an ri we don't know who is scum, so Lio, Fener and HP were all innocent and they were just as clueless as the rest of us. Until we get that scum CF we cannot know why people are doing what they are doing. If for example, Atrahal turns up scum then I'll be wanting to lynch Barghast. However, if he CF's innocent I will want to vote Sukul or Nimander because their presence fits my case against Barghast being symp.

You're being rather quick to VPI yourself there are you not dearie? Life has been keeping me busy this week but I should have time now that the weekend is upon us. In the meantime I am just dying to hear how my four posts of 'presence' fit any case against anyone.

I have completed a quick read through and my one clear early thought is that Denul is playing the very good RI. He's pointed fingers at just about everyone while commenting about his search for reactions. In later days he'll be able to use that prodding to defend himself quite nicely against anything anyone should try to lay at his door. Mostly what tingles is the thorough post by post commentary without actually quoting the posts. It reminds me of all those forwarded emails that I get concerning the outrageous thing this pol said and why I should be quivering with desire to out them because of it. Those emails tend to include a link to a legitimate news site that quotes the said outrageous comment but when I follow the link it turns out that the pol didn't say quite what it is said they say. Of course the author of the screed knows that most people won't follow that link and read for themselves nor will the sheeple who duly forward it to more sheeple. I won't be putting a vote on you Denul but IGMYEOY.

Nimander Golit, on 27 May 2014 - 08:25 AM, said:

Eloth, on 27 May 2014 - 07:40 AM, said:

snip>

I find it hard to believe this is mandated behaviour, their posting stle has changed repeatedly over the course of the thread. From English toff to simpleton to computer to rhyming couplets. Any instruction to conform to certain posting patterns would, I feel, be more specific than "Be obtuse and not let users understand what the message you are trying to communicate easily"

It passed the point of being scummy whenever he buried a vote in a massive block of computer text that added nothing else but padding to try and hide it.

<snip>

You're just saying that because it's your name buried in there. If it was somebody else you'd be praising him for his originality.

Was that not an exciting time in frozen mafialand? I could barely find the time to read it all. All you filthy low posters need to step it up. (I'm a freshly showered low poster so suck it.)

With 22 hours remaining I'm still not seeing a palatable candidate. Denul annoys me because he's tied himself to just about everyone and, as Pallid said, seems to be lining up several days worth of lynches. GL needs to stop being cutesy. Atrahal weirds me for coming up with such a lame ass, twisted excuse for GL.

Nimander Golit, on 27 May 2014 - 08:39 AM, said:

Atrahal, on 27 May 2014 - 08:29 AM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 27 May 2014 - 08:25 AM, said:

Eloth, on 27 May 2014 - 07:40 AM, said:

snip>

I find it hard to believe this is mandated behaviour, their posting stle has changed repeatedly over the course of the thread. From English toff to simpleton to computer to rhyming couplets. Any instruction to conform to certain posting patterns would, I feel, be more specific than "Be obtuse and not let users understand what the message you are trying to communicate easily"

It passed the point of being scummy whenever he buried a vote in a massive block of computer text that added nothing else but padding to try and hide it.

<snip>

You're just saying that because it's your name buried in there. If it was somebody else you'd be praising him for his originality.

Was that not an exciting time in frozen mafialand? I could barely find the time to read it all. All you filthy low posters need to step it up. (I'm a freshly showered low poster so suck it.)

With 22 hours remaining I'm still not seeing a palatable candidate. Denul annoys me because he's tied himself to just about everyone and, as Pallid said, seems to be lining up several days worth of lynches. GL needs to stop being cutesy. Atrahal weirds me for coming up with such a lame ass, twisted excuse for GL.

If GL snaps out of it, then I am proven wrong.
If he doesn't, I am not proven right or anything.
Blend did say he threw in one unusual role in sign-ups, but that was for the SHIELD game, and there's no knowing if he re-writ the theme or the whole game.

Are you trying to slip in theme-related speculation? "Oh, I wonder what special role from SHIELD could be the unusual mechanism?" That alone pushes you right over to the lynchable category in my mind.

I'm getting punched in the balls workwise, so I don't know when I'm going to be back on thread. Therefore, I'll just get this out here, earlier than I intended since I wanted to see more posts. Ah well.

I feel that we've got 3 sources of confusion on thread. Denul, who is all over the place. Eloth, who has unfortunately used the Mafia WIFOM manual to make cases in guise of town. And GL who has decided "HAHAHA WHEEEEE!"

However, the focus now for the rest of us should NOT be on them, or getting them to talk. What they've been spouting is OUT there, for all to see, they are on record, and frankly I'm tired of hearing Denul talk, Eloth be sickly sweet and am sincerely hoping that GL remembers to take his meds before he logs on again. Their spouting is no longer necessary, as they've already spouted more than a 14 year old with an internet connection.

I'm more interested in those who have come on quietly, whose posts have focused primarily on these distractions and/or avoided original thought, and then tip-toed out again. These people are using the distractors as a security blanket, allowing the focus to be elsewhere but at the same time giving them innocuous material upon which to comment. That is where we will find scum, and Nimander gets the tip of my hat for fitting that profile. Low-lying, but maintaining a presence and even did some spamming day 1.

Vote Nimander Golit

changed "as" to "in guise of" because of a screwed up cut-paste attempt

This post has been edited by Ampelas: 27 May 2014 - 02:59 PM

[Denul]

Atrahal, on 27 May 2014 - 02:24 PM, said:

Denul, on 27 May 2014 - 02:18 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 27 May 2014 - 02:10 PM, said:

We still have a bit of time before the day ends I am inclined to vote for Eloth but I am going to hold off until more people get on and post today. I am going to go back over and take a look at Eloths posts and try to see who he could be symping.

I didn't check how long we have left today but you are right. We also need others to come on and give us their thoughts.

remove vote

Vote Barghast

I want to hear more from him. His posts on Friday promised his thoughts and then he decided it would be best for him to wait until 72 hours or so has passed before letting us have them.

Point in fucking case.

See? Someone doesn't jump for whatever the reason may be (limited windows, busy weekend, bank holiday) and you vote them.
Why? Because it is scummy (which it isn't, unless he has come on several times with lots of time on his hands but keeping the cards to his chest), or because you don't like it?

Have you read the thread. Friday morning he comes on and says he will read up and post his thoughts. Friday evening he says he is NOT GOING TO POST HIS THOUGHTS BECAUSE THEY'LL BE WASTED OVER THE WEEKEND AND THAT THEY WILL GROW STALE. Do you not think that warrants a vote?

Fuck you. You're like a mafia snob.

If you know so well how to play the game then educate me. Do I normally play this way? High poster, finger in every pie, quotes and hoes? Do I? No, not really, not with this intensity. I was trying something new, that I picked up elsewhere. Leave no stone unturned. At the end of the day, I am forming a big picture of the game as a whole. I have my own thoughts and reasons spinning around.

[Atrahal]

Nice words coming from someone who can't respect the time constraints others have.
But okay, fair enough.

Anyway, the way I see the thread as it is, is as your personal notepad.
Over 200% the amount of posts others the next highest poster has, and more than the next three players on the posting list after you. A quarter of the game's posts is you. It is hard not to see the Denul avatar everywhere and it floods the thread. Imho, it actually makes it easier for people to lie back and do nothing than that it helps because whatever you're pursuing, will be getting several times the volume than another player's contribution.

Basically, I have to read between your comments to get to what other players say.

That's not conductive for me, doesn't get me anywhere and it is a huge pain in the ass when I am on the phone having to force my way through multi-quoted posts with links hidden in spoiler tags. Ever tried following that?
It's worth it if it is a good case. But now, it happens just so you have a full summary of player X's posts - a summary that you'll probably redo or add to in the next two pages.


Anyway, I really don't like Pallid's aggressiveness and choice of words. There is a hedgehog like quality to his posts that promise people a bite if they come too close. Thing is, it was the Fener-debacle where he displayed this first and as we know, Fener CFed inno.