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Mafia 112: Brighter than Day

#1481 User is offline   Korbas 

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Posted 15 May 2014 - 07:42 PM

Btw, this also means that today isn't D-Day. Tomorrow is.

Not that that's a reason to slack off today.

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Posted 15 May 2014 - 07:51 PM

View PostKorbas, on 15 May 2014 - 07:20 PM, said:

Ok, from what I see:

  • Nobody voted Hentos on day 4.
  • Therefore Hentos was killed with the AntiTank gun.
  • The AntiTank gun is showing as registered not expired.
  • The fulfillment on AntiTank is 3 kills.
  • There were two kills on night 1. Ergo, AntiTank was used then.
  • If AntiTank had killed Tholen, then Hentos would have made #3 and the contract would be fulfilled.

Therfore:
  • Tholen killed himself via Pran Chole's Spacial Teleportation.
  • OR
  • Hentos was hit with Rupture on Night 3 and the holder failed to vote for him per the remuneration.



One other therefore:

  • If Hentos was killed with AntiTank, then the contractor who did that can perform no actions tonight.


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Posted 15 May 2014 - 07:52 PM

View PostKorbas, on 15 May 2014 - 07:42 PM, said:

Btw, this also means that today isn't D-Day. Tomorrow is.

Not that that's a reason to slack off today.


Cause we're assuming the SK can't use the Vig contract tonight, right? He shouldn't be able to Possess tonight either, so tomorrow's vote he'll still need to get a townie on his side.

So if we vote out a townie today, tonight there shouldn't be a NK, that means tomorrow we're at 4 players. If we vote out another townie, then he vigs tomorrow night, means he wins on the following Day. Makes sense.

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Posted 15 May 2014 - 07:52 PM

Okaros, instead of whining that I'm doing something, you could help. Double/triple check to make sure that there isn't a vote on Hentos that I missed. Please.

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Posted 15 May 2014 - 07:55 PM

View PostOkaros, on 15 May 2014 - 07:52 PM, said:

View PostKorbas, on 15 May 2014 - 07:42 PM, said:

Btw, this also means that today isn't D-Day. Tomorrow is.

Not that that's a reason to slack off today.


Cause we're assuming the SK can't use the Vig contract tonight, right? He shouldn't be able to Possess tonight either, so tomorrow's vote he'll still need to get a townie on his side.

So if we vote out a townie today, tonight there shouldn't be a NK, that means tomorrow we're at 4 players. If we vote out another townie, then he vigs tomorrow night, means he wins on the following Day. Makes sense.


You are assuming that the AntiTank and Possession are held by the same person. I'm trying to determine the likelihood of that.

I'm rather disappointed in myself for not keeping better track of contracts yesterday. Also with you for the same.

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Posted 15 May 2014 - 07:59 PM

View PostPran Chole, on 14 May 2014 - 02:28 PM, said:

Well, the possessor may not have realized that, so oops me for saying so, but I wanted to make sure that we try and prevent that. As long as we don't wait until timeout each night, that scenario won't happen.



View PostPran Chole, on 14 May 2014 - 02:31 PM, said:

If we don't lynch SK today, I fully expect to be possessed tomorrow.

I'll be back about 4 hours before timeout, but I'll vote now.

Vote Karatallid


Goddammit.

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Posted 15 May 2014 - 08:03 PM

View PostKorbas, on 15 May 2014 - 07:52 PM, said:

Okaros, instead of whining that I'm doing something, you could help. Double/triple check to make sure that there isn't a vote on Hentos that I missed. Please.



I spent a lot of time doing that yesterday, there isn't one, I've said this on thread.

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Posted 15 May 2014 - 08:06 PM

View PostKorbas, on 15 May 2014 - 07:55 PM, said:

View PostOkaros, on 15 May 2014 - 07:52 PM, said:

View PostKorbas, on 15 May 2014 - 07:42 PM, said:

Btw, this also means that today isn't D-Day. Tomorrow is.

Not that that's a reason to slack off today.


Cause we're assuming the SK can't use the Vig contract tonight, right? He shouldn't be able to Possess tonight either, so tomorrow's vote he'll still need to get a townie on his side.

So if we vote out a townie today, tonight there shouldn't be a NK, that means tomorrow we're at 4 players. If we vote out another townie, then he vigs tomorrow night, means he wins on the following Day. Makes sense.


You are assuming that the AntiTank and Possession are held by the same person. I'm trying to determine the likelihood of that.

I'm rather disappointed in myself for not keeping better track of contracts yesterday. Also with you for the same.


I spent the Day yesterday going over who probably had what and all that stuff - just because you want to spend the day rehashing conversations that have already been had doesn't mean I have to sit here and waste my day doing the same.

The conclusion you're going to come to is that Karatallid is the most likely candidate for SK. So far, the only thing you've said that I hadn't thought of was the idea that the SK won't be able to kill tonight.

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Posted 15 May 2014 - 08:08 PM

View PostOkaros, on 15 May 2014 - 08:03 PM, said:

View PostKorbas, on 15 May 2014 - 07:52 PM, said:

Okaros, instead of whining that I'm doing something, you could help. Double/triple check to make sure that there isn't a vote on Hentos that I missed. Please.



I spent a lot of time doing that yesterday, there isn't one, I've said this on thread.


Actually, strike that - I'm thinking of the Day we tried to find a vote on Tholen to make sense of Korv's story.

Why votes on Hentos?

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Posted 15 May 2014 - 08:11 PM

Hentos was NKed. The only two remaining NKs are RIO and AntiTank.

If RIO was used on Hentos, then the contractor had to vote for him the next day.

No vote means that Hentos was killed by AntiTank. Or that the contractor failed to properly remunerate.

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Posted 15 May 2014 - 08:12 PM

View PostOkaros, on 15 May 2014 - 08:08 PM, said:

View PostOkaros, on 15 May 2014 - 08:03 PM, said:

View PostKorbas, on 15 May 2014 - 07:52 PM, said:

Okaros, instead of whining that I'm doing something, you could help. Double/triple check to make sure that there isn't a vote on Hentos that I missed. Please.



I spent a lot of time doing that yesterday, there isn't one, I've said this on thread.


Actually, strike that - I'm thinking of the Day we tried to find a vote on Tholen to make sense of Korv's story.

Why votes on Hentos?


There are none, by the way - though I'd still like to know why you're looking for votes on Hentos.

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Posted 15 May 2014 - 08:15 PM

AntiTank is still showing registered. It is fulfilled and expires upon the 3rd use. Therefore it hasn't been fulfilled.

There were 2 NKs night one. There were only 2 nk contracts registered at that time. Ergo, one of them was AntiTank. first use.

Since AntiTank hasn't been fulfilled, Hentos is the second use of it. Therefore Tholen killed himself via Spatial Teleportation.

If Hentos was killed by AntiTank, then the contractor who used it can perform no other actions tonight.

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Posted 15 May 2014 - 08:16 PM

UI-678 | Anti-tank Rifle Materialization
Registered
The contractor can spontaneously produce a Degtyarov PTRD Anti-Tank Rifle with a single shell already chambered.
Ability: The player gains a single-use Vig. The Vig can be used on any night, and is depleted whether it succeeds or not. The single-use is replenished each time this contract is relinquished and re-registered, even if by the same player.
Renumeration: Constructing and Releasing Origami Lanterns at Night. If the player successfully kills someone with their single-use Vig, they cannot perform any night action the following night.




Edit: remove bs code stuff

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Posted 15 May 2014 - 08:20 PM

View PostKorbas, on 15 May 2014 - 08:15 PM, said:

AntiTank is still showing registered. It is fulfilled and expires upon the 3rd use. Therefore it hasn't been fulfilled.

There were 2 NKs night one. There were only 2 nk contracts registered at that time. Ergo, one of them was AntiTank. first use.

Since AntiTank hasn't been fulfilled, Hentos is the second use of it. Therefore Tholen killed himself via Spatial Teleportation.

If Hentos was killed by AntiTank, then the contractor who used it can perform no other actions tonight.


Whoops. Making an assumption here.

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Fulfillment - if a contract's Fulfillment conditions are met, the holder no longer needs to perform the contract's Renumeration. Additionally, if the contract had special Relinquishment conditions these no longer apply and it can be Relinquished normally. However, if a Fulfilled contract is Relinquished it will be gone forever rather than become open again. Additionally, some contracts change once they have been Fulfilled.


So it may be possible that AntTank is fulfilled but hasn't expired since it hasn't been relinquished?

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Posted 15 May 2014 - 08:22 PM

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Kara, did you possess me (gameday) yesterday?

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Posted 15 May 2014 - 08:26 PM

View PostKorbas, on 15 May 2014 - 08:20 PM, said:

View PostKorbas, on 15 May 2014 - 08:15 PM, said:

AntiTank is still showing registered. It is fulfilled and expires upon the 3rd use. Therefore it hasn't been fulfilled.

There were 2 NKs night one. There were only 2 nk contracts registered at that time. Ergo, one of them was AntiTank. first use.

Since AntiTank hasn't been fulfilled, Hentos is the second use of it. Therefore Tholen killed himself via Spatial Teleportation.

If Hentos was killed by AntiTank, then the contractor who used it can perform no other actions tonight.


Whoops. Making an assumption here.

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Fulfillment - if a contract's Fulfillment conditions are met, the holder no longer needs to perform the contract's Renumeration. Additionally, if the contract had special Relinquishment conditions these no longer apply and it can be Relinquished normally. However, if a Fulfilled contract is Relinquished it will be gone forever rather than become open again. Additionally, some contracts change once they have been Fulfilled.


So it may be possible that AntTank is fulfilled but hasn't expired since it hasn't been relinquished?


If a contract is Fulfilled but still held by someone, it will show as both Registered and Fulfilled in the active contracts list.
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Posted 15 May 2014 - 08:33 PM

View PostPath-Shaper, on 15 May 2014 - 08:26 PM, said:

View PostKorbas, on 15 May 2014 - 08:20 PM, said:

View PostKorbas, on 15 May 2014 - 08:15 PM, said:

AntiTank is still showing registered. It is fulfilled and expires upon the 3rd use. Therefore it hasn't been fulfilled.

There were 2 NKs night one. There were only 2 nk contracts registered at that time. Ergo, one of them was AntiTank. first use.

Since AntiTank hasn't been fulfilled, Hentos is the second use of it. Therefore Tholen killed himself via Spatial Teleportation.

If Hentos was killed by AntiTank, then the contractor who used it can perform no other actions tonight.


Whoops. Making an assumption here.

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Fulfillment - if a contract's Fulfillment conditions are met, the holder no longer needs to perform the contract's Renumeration. Additionally, if the contract had special Relinquishment conditions these no longer apply and it can be Relinquished normally. However, if a Fulfilled contract is Relinquished it will be gone forever rather than become open again. Additionally, some contracts change once they have been Fulfilled.


So it may be possible that AntTank is fulfilled but hasn't expired since it hasn't been relinquished?


If a contract is Fulfilled but still held by someone, it will show as both Registered and Fulfilled in the active contracts list.



It says that some contracts change once they are fulfilled - would these changes show on the Contract list, or would they just be something that the holder of the contract would see?

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Posted 15 May 2014 - 08:34 PM

View PostOkaros, on 15 May 2014 - 08:33 PM, said:

It says that some contracts change once they are fulfilled - would these changes show on the Contract list, or would they just be something that the holder of the contract would see?


Whatever it says in the Fulfillment section of the contract.
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Posted 15 May 2014 - 08:37 PM

View PostPath-Shaper, on 15 May 2014 - 08:34 PM, said:

View PostOkaros, on 15 May 2014 - 08:33 PM, said:

It says that some contracts change once they are fulfilled - would these changes show on the Contract list, or would they just be something that the holder of the contract would see?


Whatever it says in the Fulfillment section of the contract.



Ah okay, I thought it meant something along the lines of 'the currently visible text may change'

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Posted 15 May 2014 - 08:41 PM

View PostPath-Shaper, on 15 May 2014 - 08:26 PM, said:

View PostKorbas, on 15 May 2014 - 08:20 PM, said:

View PostKorbas, on 15 May 2014 - 08:15 PM, said:

AntiTank is still showing registered. It is fulfilled and expires upon the 3rd use. Therefore it hasn't been fulfilled.

There were 2 NKs night one. There were only 2 nk contracts registered at that time. Ergo, one of them was AntiTank. first use.

Since AntiTank hasn't been fulfilled, Hentos is the second use of it. Therefore Tholen killed himself via Spatial Teleportation.

If Hentos was killed by AntiTank, then the contractor who used it can perform no other actions tonight.


Whoops. Making an assumption here.

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Fulfillment - if a contract's Fulfillment conditions are met, the holder no longer needs to perform the contract's Renumeration. Additionally, if the contract had special Relinquishment conditions these no longer apply and it can be Relinquished normally. However, if a Fulfilled contract is Relinquished it will be gone forever rather than become open again. Additionally, some contracts change once they have been Fulfilled.


So it may be possible that AntTank is fulfilled but hasn't expired since it hasn't been relinquished?


If a contract is Fulfilled but still held by someone, it will show as both Registered and Fulfilled in the active contracts list.


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