[Ay Estos]

Okaros, on 06 May 2014 - 07:07 PM, said:

Ay Estos, on 06 May 2014 - 06:59 PM, said:

You are the only person who had yet to check in when the registration period ended, when it did, 13 of 14 players ended up with contracts. PS updated them repeatedly for a few hours then stopped updating after 8 and didn't resume until the deadline passed for #9 to put in his registration request. I think anyone who took the time to register their contract will have checked in as well, simply because we didn't know they would be registered as soon as PS got them in.

Don't feel like I am doing any mental gymnastics here.

I couldn't have said it better myself. This is exactly why you were most likely Number 9 in the line. But as I said, if anything this PI's you. Your defensiveness is what has me a little worried.

There is no reason for him to be upset at being called a PI, so there must be a better reason than THAT for this kind of reaction, maybe the phrashing just rubbed him the wrong way. He can't even be a SK because they were put in random order with the scum.

We may want to look at who else MIGHT have missed registering, though to be honest I can't easily imagine a scenario where someone checks in but volunteers to stay as a RI, especially as #9 in the list, plenty of good stuff still there.

[Ay Estos]

Ay Estos, on 06 May 2014 - 07:14 PM, said:

snip

There is no reason for him to be upset at being called a PI, so there must be a better reason than THAT for this kind of reaction, maybe the phrashing just rubbed him the wrong way. He can't even be a SK because even if there is one, they were put in random order with the scum.

We may want to look at who else MIGHT have missed registering, though to be honest I can't easily imagine a scenario where someone checks in but volunteers to stay as a RI, especially as #9 in the list, plenty of good stuff still there.

Fixed in red, not going to edit something like that out, but this should avoid some the grr grr finger pointing grr grr mispeaking is punishable by death grr grr

[Korbas]

Ay Estos, on 06 May 2014 - 07:18 PM, said:

Ay Estos, on 06 May 2014 - 07:14 PM, said:

snip

There is no reason for him to be upset at being called a PI, so there must be a better reason than THAT for this kind of reaction, maybe the phrashing just rubbed him the wrong way. He can't even be a SK because even if there is one, they were put in random order with the scum.

We may want to look at who else MIGHT have missed registering, though to be honest I can't easily imagine a scenario where someone checks in but volunteers to stay as a RI, especially as #9 in the list, plenty of good stuff still there.

Fixed in red, not going to edit something like that out, but this should avoid some the grr grr finger pointing grr grr mispeaking is punishable by death grr grr

You really think so?? I shall now go back to re-read you.
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[Hanas]

Ay Estos, on 06 May 2014 - 06:59 PM, said:

You are the only person who had yet to check in when the registration period ended, when it did, 13 of 14 players ended up with contracts. PS updated them repeatedly for a few hours then stopped updating after 8 and didn't resume until the deadline passed for #9 to put in his registration request. I think anyone who took the time to register their contract will have checked in as well, simply because we didn't know they would be registered as soon as PS got them in.

Don't feel like I am doing any mental gymnastics here.

This is exactly my point....3 people checked in AFTER P-S left. Even if they registered a contract in their PM as soon as they first posted/checked in, P-S would not have seen it and processed it until she returned. That puts four people in the exact same situation and yet you're somehow sure it was me and not any of them. Seems like you are either playing dumb or know more than I know.

Not a lot of time to post, they will be short for awhile.

[Ay Estos]

Excellent did you say your back? *stabby stabby* Oh, the other kind. I did say SOME, obviously people will get hung up on anything opportunistic at this stage. Take a full look and come to your conclusion and post it, then I'd like your opinion of what to make of Hanas' defensiveness

[Hanas]

Okaros, on 06 May 2014 - 07:07 PM, said:

Ay Estos, on 06 May 2014 - 06:59 PM, said:

You are the only person who had yet to check in when the registration period ended, when it did, 13 of 14 players ended up with contracts. PS updated them repeatedly for a few hours then stopped updating after 8 and didn't resume until the deadline passed for #9 to put in his registration request. I think anyone who took the time to register their contract will have checked in as well, simply because we didn't know they would be registered as soon as PS got them in.

Don't feel like I am doing any mental gymnastics here.

I couldn't have said it better myself. This is exactly why you were most likely Number 9 in the line. But as I said, if anything this PI's you. Your defensiveness is what has me a little worried.

You mistake defense for offense. As you said, what do I have to defend against?

[Ay Estos]

Hanas, on 06 May 2014 - 07:33 PM, said:

Ay Estos, on 06 May 2014 - 06:59 PM, said:

You are the only person who had yet to check in when the registration period ended, when it did, 13 of 14 players ended up with contracts. PS updated them repeatedly for a few hours then stopped updating after 8 and didn't resume until the deadline passed for #9 to put in his registration request. I think anyone who took the time to register their contract will have checked in as well, simply because we didn't know they would be registered as soon as PS got them in.

Don't feel like I am doing any mental gymnastics here.

This is exactly my point....3 people checked in AFTER P-S left. Even if they registered a contract in their PM as soon as they first posted/checked in, P-S would not have seen it and processed it until she returned. That puts four people in the exact same situation and yet you're somehow sure it was me and not any of them. Seems like you are either playing dumb or know more than I know.

Not a lot of time to post, they will be short for awhile.

Those three people were in thread, and will have seen the incoming deadline for requesting contracts. I see what you are getting at that one of them could be 8 now, and even if you DID miss the contract deadline you could have been #12 or whatever. But people also do not need to check in first then do the list they could have PMed their lists before PS went off. So you are almost right, wasn't playing dumb, I just am dumb. Anyway, you are still the very likely candidate to be a RI for today at least, but not necessarily 8th.

[Korbas]

Hanas, on 06 May 2014 - 07:35 PM, said:

Okaros, on 06 May 2014 - 07:07 PM, said:

Ay Estos, on 06 May 2014 - 06:59 PM, said:

You are the only person who had yet to check in when the registration period ended, when it did, 13 of 14 players ended up with contracts. PS updated them repeatedly for a few hours then stopped updating after 8 and didn't resume until the deadline passed for #9 to put in his registration request. I think anyone who took the time to register their contract will have checked in as well, simply because we didn't know they would be registered as soon as PS got them in.

Don't feel like I am doing any mental gymnastics here.

I couldn't have said it better myself. This is exactly why you were most likely Number 9 in the line. But as I said, if anything this PI's you. Your defensiveness is what has me a little worried.

You mistake defense for offense. As you said, what do I have to defend against?

It's your offensive defense that is making you look defensively offensive.

[Venesara]

I'm here for a little while. Super busy but that's life

[Venesara]

Okaros, on 06 May 2014 - 04:27 PM, said:

I'll hold back on voting for now, but I wouldn't mind going Venesara's way if that's where it goes. It could very well just be poor choice of words for a townie, but it could also be a slip. For a Day 1 case it's better than many we've seen in the last few games.

I wouldn't let it go if it was one of you guys. I totally meant it though. Are we allowed to divulge what contact we went for? I haven't read the rules properly.

Can we let people know if we have one currently?

What sort of things can be revealed to help you decide I am in fact town and the wording was poorly done?

[Ay Estos]

Venesara, on 06 May 2014 - 07:58 PM, said:

Okaros, on 06 May 2014 - 04:27 PM, said:

I'll hold back on voting for now, but I wouldn't mind going Venesara's way if that's where it goes. It could very well just be poor choice of words for a townie, but it could also be a slip. For a Day 1 case it's better than many we've seen in the last few games.

I wouldn't let it go if it was one of you guys. I totally meant it though. Are we allowed to divulge what contact we went for? I haven't read the rules properly.

Can we let people know if we have one currently?

What sort of things can be revealed to help you decide I am in fact town and the wording was poorly done?

No you can't tell anyone anything about your contract.

I think you can SAY you have a contract in general, but even then why bother? Don't say when you got it either, that would mean talking about PS PMs and their timings.

Just continue to be a reasonable player, and also I may have saved your bacon, by burning mine, by accidentally forgetting to say "if there is one" when also talking about a hypothetical situation. Turns out people LOVE their IFs.

The only things you can talk about in regards to contracts are (a) previously held ones, and ( anything you hear from PMs through a lover connection.

This post has been edited by Ay Estos: 06 May 2014 - 08:05 PM

[Korbas]

Anthras, on 06 May 2014 - 05:10 PM, said:

Yes I am here and getting caught up. I think that the first contract that was gone when I first posted was the antitank rifle materialization. I am very busy in RL and don't know how much I will be able to post today. I would be willing to vote for Venesara based on the if I was town slip. Unless something else come up before my RL day ends I will most likely be dropping a vote there.

Anthras are you saying that when you posted there was only one contract showing as registered or that you noticed that it was registered and others might have been but you didn't notice?

[Venesara]

Ay Estos, on 06 May 2014 - 06:59 PM, said:

You are the only person who had yet to check in when the registration period ended, when it did, 13 of 14 players ended up with contracts. PS updated them repeatedly for a few hours then stopped updating after 8 and didn't resume until the deadline passed for #9 to put in his registration request. I think anyone who took the time to register their contract will have checked in as well, simply because we didn't know they would be registered as soon as PS got them in.

Don't feel like I am doing any mental gymnastics here.

I think I was one of the last to check in. Or should have been because I missed all of Monday due to bank holiday. I dint know if this had relevance on how you perceive me

[Venesara]

Okaros, on 06 May 2014 - 07:05 PM, said:

Alright, so given the potential 'slip' by Venesara, I've been having a closer look at his posts, and I'm a little more suspicious about him.

Aside from posts like the following, which are basically just "Hey, look at me, I'm participating like a good little townie!" posts...

Venesara, on 06 May 2014 - 08:01 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 06 May 2014 - 02:55 AM, said:

It is Day 1. 26 hours and 54 minutes remain. 8 hours and 54 minutes of registration remain.

14 players are alive: Anthras, Ay Estos, Demelain, Hanas, Hentos Ilm, Karatallid, Kaschan, Korbas, Korbalain, Okaros, Pran Chole, Ryllandaras, Tholen, Venesara

8 votes to lynch. 7 votes to go to night.


No one has voted.

Vote Korbalian

Venesara, on 06 May 2014 - 11:38 AM, said:

Pran Chole, on 06 May 2014 - 11:35 AM, said:

Wow, it's been almost 24 hours since the opening of thread, and we have barely any posts. What's going on peoples?

Exactly. Day one no lynch looks mighty probable

Venesara, on 06 May 2014 - 12:23 PM, said:

Pran Chole, on 06 May 2014 - 11:48 AM, said:

Venesera, why Korvalain, out of all that?

Because the name was spelled incorrectly. Just a kick start vote really.

I could post a bunch more of these types of posts - most of what Venesara has said and done has been the same style of posting as above.

But... This post right here really rubbed me the wrong way:

Venesara, on 06 May 2014 - 12:25 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 06 May 2014 - 12:10 PM, said:

Just checking in. The opening time for the thread coincided with a particularly long sleep/work/sleep/work cycle. I should be around a lot more tomorrow (hopefully).



Granted, Day One we really have nothing to go on with the current level of participation - I get the feeling the contracts speculation might distract us for a short while, which isn't entirely helpful. Scum don't have to keep using the same powers every night, so patterns etc in the killings may not be as reliable as normal, but at the end of the day they have to remove Town. By definition, unless a Town player has a really solid reason to believe someone is Scum, there should be no kills being thrown around that aren't Scum-on-Town. Long story short; we may end up hunting scum with more variable abilities, but Town should still be playing whatever abilities can be picked up for Town; so let's not get bogged down in too much mechanics speculation, eh?

I agree, hence why I haven't brought that shit up or bitten when numbers were talked about earlier.

I do believe each of us should be prodding and getting our votes out there, even if it is just to provoke reactions. The less responses we get, we lynch that person.

It rubbed me the wrong way because he's basically agreeing with Karatallid that we shouldn't be speculating about mechanics. I would posit that in this kind of game, it's going to be VERY important for us to pay attention to mechanics. Given the dynamics of the game will constantly be shifting, and the only way to figure out how they are shifting is by paying very close attention to the mechanics to see who's holding what contracts, I think that ignoring mechanics can only hurt town.

Normally I'd give this kind of thing a pass on Day 1 - we've just started the game and are feeling our way around the room so to speak. However, coupled with his possible slip, and his "Good Townie" style posts I'm more and more suspicious about him.

Vote Venesara

Good townie type of posts? Care to elaborate for the thread?

When I come back town you'll understand that I genuinely believe that scum will love to hide behind mechanics. This game has enough odd roles without the thread becoming complex and cloudy. That only helps scum in the long run.

[Venesara]

Ay Estos, on 06 May 2014 - 08:02 PM, said:

Venesara, on 06 May 2014 - 07:58 PM, said:

Okaros, on 06 May 2014 - 04:27 PM, said:

I'll hold back on voting for now, but I wouldn't mind going Venesara's way if that's where it goes. It could very well just be poor choice of words for a townie, but it could also be a slip. For a Day 1 case it's better than many we've seen in the last few games.

I wouldn't let it go if it was one of you guys. I totally meant it though. Are we allowed to divulge what contact we went for? I haven't read the rules properly.

Can we let people know if we have one currently?

What sort of things can be revealed to help you decide I am in fact town and the wording was poorly done?

No you can't tell anyone anything about your contract.

I think you can SAY you have a contract in general, but even then why bother? Don't say when you got it either, that would mean talking about PS PMs and their timings.

Just continue to be a reasonable player, and also I may have saved your bacon, by burning mine, by accidentally forgetting to say "if there is one" when also talking about a hypothetical situation. Turns out people LOVE their IFs.

The only things you can talk about in regards to contracts are (a) previously held ones, and ( anything you hear from PMs through a lover connection.

Hypothetically if I have no lover can I say that I don't have one?

People can target me with abilities like finds out that truth one I read about and that way you can see if I am scum.

If not as I am town and it could be a waste then lunch me but I know for sure that will be a waste. I am sorry to all town of it ends that way.

[Venesara]

Right I neve been in front of a computer all day. I see that I am the obvious choice for today and that I don't have a great alternative for you.

I will vote Korbas for ignoring my slip. Seems scummy to avoid the elephant in the room

remove vote

vote korbas

[Venesara]

Night

[Anthras]

Venesara, on 06 May 2014 - 07:58 PM, said:

Okaros, on 06 May 2014 - 04:27 PM, said:

I'll hold back on voting for now, but I wouldn't mind going Venesara's way if that's where it goes. It could very well just be poor choice of words for a townie, but it could also be a slip. For a Day 1 case it's better than many we've seen in the last few games.

I wouldn't let it go if it was one of you guys. I totally meant it though. Are we allowed to divulge what contact we went for? I haven't read the rules properly.

Can we let people know if we have one currently?

What sort of things can be revealed to help you decide I am in fact town and the wording was poorly done?

You can not reveal anything about the contract that you currently hold. Do not reveal anything about the contract that you currently hold. It is against the rules to talk about any contract that you currently hold.

[Ay Estos]

How long do we have left today?

I highly doubt Venesara is scum but if that is the only option it beats getting no lynch, at least he will be known to be whatever he is and that question will be put to bed.

[Okaros]

Venesara, on 06 May 2014 - 08:08 PM, said:

Good townie type of posts? Care to elaborate for the thread?

When I come back town you'll understand that I genuinely believe that scum will love to hide behind mechanics. This game has enough odd roles without the thread becoming complex and cloudy. That only helps scum in the long run.

Posts that seem helpful, but really just seem like post padding. Like saying that "Oh boy, it sure doesn't look like we're going to get a Day 1 lynch" or "I'm joke-voting Korvalain cause his name is spelled wrong, isn't that funny?" or "We all have to participate in the game, bros!" etc. Things that it's safe for scum to say during Day 1, because they're not lies, they're things that townies regularly do, they're relatively risk-free.

Anyway, that wasn't really the main thrust of my argument. You've completely ignored the whole part where I accused you of disregarding what I deemed very important discussion for us to be having on Day 1.