[Tholen]

Okaros, on 06 May 2014 - 02:40 PM, said:

Tholen, on 06 May 2014 - 02:34 PM, said:

Pran Chole, on 06 May 2014 - 11:45 AM, said:

Well, we're just starting to enter the main time period of most people's posting ability, so we don't need to give up just yet.
Day one lynch will be more random than usual, given "checking in" doesn't tell us much.

You, Aye Estos and Korabas have been the people who have contributed.

You've actually had something to say, Korabas is right IMO about day 1 giving a little information in terms of contracts, but not that much really. D'rek isn't going to give us an actual order, we just know what the first 6 or so, plus the next 3 were. I think we can assume that the last 3-4 were almost certainly town, and the other 3-5 have scum mixed in.

I read a couple posting about the order of contract but did anyone see the actual order of them, especially first? This could be possibly important information for today, so someone share this information for the rest.

We only know the first 5 contracts that were registered. It's posted somewhere upthread.

Roger that. I was thinking about the different ways of finding scum. The plain find contract. There's one with a faction find. There's the contract find, which we could use to form a good guess with. Then there's possession. If it wasn't taken by scum in those early picks then it could also help with a possible find method? Take over the alt, and read their role pm? Unless scum now chooses to erase those as a precaution, in which we say anyone with an erased role pm is scum! If we use everything right we can outpace kills.

[Okaros]

Tholen, on 06 May 2014 - 04:44 PM, said:

Okaros, on 06 May 2014 - 02:40 PM, said:

Tholen, on 06 May 2014 - 02:34 PM, said:

Pran Chole, on 06 May 2014 - 11:45 AM, said:

Well, we're just starting to enter the main time period of most people's posting ability, so we don't need to give up just yet.
Day one lynch will be more random than usual, given "checking in" doesn't tell us much.

You, Aye Estos and Korabas have been the people who have contributed.

You've actually had something to say, Korabas is right IMO about day 1 giving a little information in terms of contracts, but not that much really. D'rek isn't going to give us an actual order, we just know what the first 6 or so, plus the next 3 were. I think we can assume that the last 3-4 were almost certainly town, and the other 3-5 have scum mixed in.

I read a couple posting about the order of contract but did anyone see the actual order of them, especially first? This could be possibly important information for today, so someone share this information for the rest.

We only know the first 5 contracts that were registered. It's posted somewhere upthread.

Roger that. I was thinking about the different ways of finding scum. The plain find contract. There's one with a faction find. There's the contract find, which we could use to form a good guess with. Then there's possession. If it wasn't taken by scum in those early picks then it could also help with a possible find method? Take over the alt, and read their role pm? Unless scum now chooses to erase those as a precaution, in which we say anyone with an erased role pm is scum! If we use everything right we can outpace kills.

It would probably be against the rules for scum to erase their role PMs anyway, just for the record.

[Tholen]

Venesara, on 06 May 2014 - 04:16 PM, said:

Okaros, on 06 May 2014 - 03:51 PM, said:

Korbas, on 06 May 2014 - 03:50 PM, said:

Venesara, on 06 May 2014 - 03:30 PM, said:

Korbas, on 06 May 2014 - 03:14 PM, said:

Whoever has rupture: please, please be a good townie and hold onto that like it's a bottle of Glenfiddich. Never let it go and only open it on a very special occasion.

That is exactly what i would have done, if I was townie and I had received that role. So hopefully a townie did get it and will hold it back.

Interesting choice of wording in that sentence.

That IS a good catch - what do you mean IF you were a townie, Ven?

Well I am scum obviously! Hurr durr.

I am not really, I wouldn't be that loose with my wording. I see what you see, and to be honest, would be all over it if it was one of you guys!

I think this is the only thing I see right now. This plus your erratic style from the start with the weird joke votes. I'm going with Ven. I want to secure a vote in the chance something prevents me from coming back in time. I do plan on being here before that though. Until something substantially happens. vote Ven

[Demelain]

hey guys. i'm following but cant really respond as im on my way to the airport.

my main thoughts are we have 3 - 2 scum. largely because there are three largely scummy contracts in the top 5.

we need to keep quiet about any renumeration below the top 5 we notice while we build info. lets try not get ourselves targeted. im back in 2 hours for evening posting but will be more active Day 2 as its a public holiday for me.

[Anthras]

Path-Shaper, on 29 April 2014 - 04:09 PM, said:

GAME MECHANICS

1 - General Structure
Players may begin posting as soon as the mods announce that the game has started on the thread. The game begins during the day. The day ends when when a sufficient number of people have voted to lynch a player (remove that player from the game) or voted to end the day without a lynch. Many games also have time limits on the days, and if no consensus is reached when the time expires, the day ends with no lynch. When the day phase has ended, night begins. The mods will then post a scene reporting the outcome of the day. Players may continue posting in the thread (unless they've been voted out) but no voting is allowed. Night ends when the mods post the morning scene reporting the outcome of the night actions. Day and night phases continue to alternate until the game ends.

2 - Day Phase
During the day, players may post in the thread and vote. Some roles may have special powers which can be used during the day.

2.1 - Voting Mechanics
To vote for a player: bold "vote" and that player's name.
To vote to end the day without a lynch: bold the phrase "vote night".
To remove your vote without casting a new vote: bold the phrase "remove vote".
To change your vote for a player: First bold remove vote then vote for the new player.

The vote should be positioned at the end of a post, and be clearly seperated from the rest of the post. Example:

Quote

your text, many quotes, brilliant arguments and a clever and convincing conclusion. Alternatively, a lame joke.

remove vote

vote Killer

Tholen, on 06 May 2014 - 04:51 PM, said:

Venesara, on 06 May 2014 - 04:16 PM, said:

Okaros, on 06 May 2014 - 03:51 PM, said:

Korbas, on 06 May 2014 - 03:50 PM, said:

Venesara, on 06 May 2014 - 03:30 PM, said:

Korbas, on 06 May 2014 - 03:14 PM, said:

Whoever has rupture: please, please be a good townie and hold onto that like it's a bottle of Glenfiddich. Never let it go and only open it on a very special occasion.

That is exactly what i would have done, if I was townie and I had received that role. So hopefully a townie did get it and will hold it back.

Interesting choice of wording in that sentence.

That IS a good catch - what do you mean IF you were a townie, Ven?

Well I am scum obviously! Hurr durr.

I am not really, I wouldn't be that loose with my wording. I see what you see, and to be honest, would be all over it if it was one of you guys!

I think this is the only thing I see right now. This plus your erratic style from the start with the weird joke votes. I'm going with Ven. I want to secure a vote in the chance something prevents me from coming back in time. I do plan on being here before that though. Until something substantially happens. vote Ven

Why don't you make the bare minimum effort at separating your vote from the rest of your post.

[Anthras]

Yes I am here and getting caught up. I think that the first contract that was gone when I first posted was the antitank rifle materialization. I am very busy in RL and don't know how much I will be able to post today. I would be willing to vote for Venesara based on the if I was town slip. Unless something else come up before my RL day ends I will most likely be dropping a vote there.

[Path-Shaper]

Thank you, Anthras. Nice to know somebody cares!

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. 12 hours 38 minutes remain.

14 players are alive: Anthras, Ay Estos, Demelain, Hanas, Hentos Ilm, Karatallid, Kaschan, Korbas, Korbalain, Okaros, Pran Chole, Ryllandaras, Tholen, Venesara

8 votes to lynch. 7 votes to go to night.

1 vote for Demelain (Korbas)
1 vote for Anthras (Pran Chole)
1 vote for Venesara (Ryllandaras)

[Path-Shaper]

It is a day, bright and sunny, as merry as can be.
A day when one cannot help but make up poetry.

[Hanas]

Korbas, on 05 May 2014 - 07:02 PM, said:

Check in.

Ay Estos, that is an awesome image. I nominate that it become the official Silanah avatar.

The Silanah avatar is already awesome I'm pretty sure. But apparently spam time is over.

I don't have a whole lot of time - I see a lot of speculation on who picked up what contracts in what order, which is a little odd to me because the only way this could be useful speculation is if we knew that said person did in fact register the contract (no way to prove this outside of an ability or observing the remuneration required of the contract on thread. Seeing as it's day one and many remunerations are either off-thread, easy to hide, or related to things like "ignoring the first 10 posts of the day", I would say that very little can be drawn from the thread at this point about who has what contract based on their play.

That said, ironically, this is what interests me so far. And it involves me, no less!

Ay Estos, on 06 May 2014 - 12:48 PM, said:

People need to get on and start making their presence felt up.


Vote Hanas

Pressure vote, that's cool, I don't mind. What's with the word "up" being struck through? Anything that would explain this? It's obviously deliberate. Just a joke?

But then:

Ay Estos, on 06 May 2014 - 02:11 PM, said:

Chances are Hanas is the one who missed on out contracts, and at number 9 he delayed the others getting theirs. Still want to hear from them so won't be removing my vote until they show up. 11 hours until they are modkilled?

Did no one else look at this? I have serious problems with this. First, it is absolutely illogical to correlate posting times or checking in with contract registration. Anyone could register a contract as soon as the game started and then wait to be the last one to check in, like I was (pretty sure I was last anyway). So this is poor analysis - but it's really bad because it also proceeds to imply negative results. You're not only blaming me for delaying others in registering contracts (without sufficient cause), but you also decide to post on thread whatever registration number you think I have?

I can see only two outcomes from this - either Ay is claiming to have an ability that gives him information about people's registration order (real or not), or he's scum. That seems black and white I know - but if you were town, how could it possibly help town this early in the game to put this kind of information on thread, true or not? Smells like scum to me.

Vote Ay Estos

Until I receive a satisfactory explanation. Quid pro quo, if you will. Aside from that I find Venesara's slip to be damning and would prefer to vote for her, assuming Ay can explain sufficiently.

[Okaros]

Hanas, on 06 May 2014 - 05:26 PM, said:

Did no one else look at this? I have serious problems with this. First, it is absolutely illogical to correlate posting times or checking in with contract registration. Anyone could register a contract as soon as the game started and then wait to be the last one to check in, like I was (pretty sure I was last anyway). So this is poor analysis - but it's really bad because it also proceeds to imply negative results. You're not only blaming me for delaying others in registering contracts (without sufficient cause), but you also decide to post on thread whatever registration number you think I have?

I can see only two outcomes from this - either Ay is claiming to have an ability that gives him information about people's registration order (real or not), or he's scum. That seems black and white I know - but if you were town, how could it possibly help town this early in the game to put this kind of information on thread, true or not? Smells like scum to me.

Vote Ay Estos

Until I receive a satisfactory explanation. Quid pro quo, if you will. Aside from that I find Venesara's slip to be damning and would prefer to vote for her, assuming Ay can explain sufficiently.

I don't want to speak for Ay, but I will anyway...

I assume the reason he said Number 9 is because there had been 8 contracts registered so far, and then it stalled for several hours. His assumption is that that several hours delay was because the person who was 9th in the registration line had not applied for a contract yet, thus delaying those who came after him from registering. Makes perfect sense to me, as does the theory that it was likely someone who had not yet checked in, aka you.

[Ay Estos]

Hanas, on 06 May 2014 - 05:26 PM, said:

snip
Pressure vote, that's cool, I don't mind. What's with the word "up" being struck through? Anything that would explain this? It's obviously deliberate. Just a joke?

But then:

Ay Estos, on 06 May 2014 - 02:11 PM, said:

Chances are Hanas is the one who missed on out contracts, and at number 9 he delayed the others getting theirs. Still want to hear from them so won't be removing my vote until they show up. 11 hours until they are modkilled?

Did no one else look at this? I have serious problems with this. First, it is absolutely illogical to correlate posting times or checking in with contract registration. Anyone could register a contract as soon as the game started and then wait to be the last one to check in, like I was (pretty sure I was last anyway). So this is poor analysis - but it's really bad because it also proceeds to imply negative results. You're not only blaming me for delaying others in registering contracts (without sufficient cause), but you also decide to post on thread whatever registration number you think I have?

I can see only two outcomes from this - either Ay is claiming to have an ability that gives him information about people's registration order (real or not), or he's scum. That seems black and white I know - but if you were town, how could it possibly help town this early in the game to put this kind of information on thread, true or not? Smells like scum to me.

Vote Ay Estos

Until I receive a satisfactory explanation. Quid pro quo, if you will. Aside from that I find Venesara's slip to be damning and would prefer to vote for her, assuming Ay can explain sufficiently.

Felt up was just a joke, that when you arrived we would do naughty things to you. Still on day one, some sillyness every now and then is permissible and passes the time until we get to the juicy parts.

I believe you were number 9 for the following reasons, which Okaros basically nailed; but I will say in my own words anyway

Contracts have seemingly been registered as soon as the next in sequence came in, we had the first 5 pop up all at once, though apparently antitank was first now? Then there was a gap of a few hours, then three more popped up and stalled until time out.

I think the sequence went something like this 1, PS updated list, 3, 4, 5, 2 then PS updated those four, then 7, 8, 6 updated those three, then time out update the rest. I find it hard to imgaine that someone not only (1) chose to not submit a request, but (2) didn't PM PS "I choose to not register anything" or something to that effect. I didn't mean to make it sound like I was putting pressure on you blaming you for delaying those guys, it didn't impact the game in any significant way, so no big deal.

The order we receive contracts in is randomzed from day to day, so I see no value in hiding our guessing where someone came in the list after the list is made. Excepting scum first and the changes made to the registries.

[Korbas]

Back and I see that a pressure vote popped Demelain out of his realm. So moving up the low post list:

Remove Vote


Vote Karatallid

[Hanas]

Here's my issue with that line of thinking:

Path-Shaper, on 06 May 2014 - 02:55 AM, said:

This mod is off for the night, see you in the morning.

Demelain, on 06 May 2014 - 03:39 AM, said:

Morning morning!

Checking in and I'm off again. will be in a few hours later in the day.

Ryllandaras, on 06 May 2014 - 09:50 AM, said:

Checking in only. Won't have time for actual posting till this evening.

Karatallid, on 06 May 2014 - 12:10 PM, said:

Just checking in. The opening time for the thread coincided with a particularly long sleep/work/sleep/work cycle. I should be around a lot more tomorrow (hopefully).

Granted, Day One we really have nothing to go on with the current level of participation - I get the feeling the contracts speculation might distract us for a short while, which isn't entirely helpful. Scum don't have to keep using the same powers every night, so patterns etc in the killings may not be as reliable as normal, but at the end of the day they have to remove Town. By definition, unless a Town player has a really solid reason to believe someone is Scum, there should be no kills being thrown around that aren't Scum-on-Town. Long story short; we may end up hunting scum with more variable abilities, but Town should still be playing whatever abilities can be picked up for Town; so let's not get bogged down in too much mechanics speculation, eh?

Okaros, on 06 May 2014 - 01:57 PM, said:

13 of 14 open contracts are now registered, btw.

These check-in posts are all from the first page of the game. P-S leaves with 8 contracts registered, correct? Then three people check in within close proximity to one another afterwards; after P-S returns in the morning, 13 of 14 contracts are registered. This is all still before I've checked in at all.

Explain to me, then, why Ay would single me out in such a specific way when based on the logic being used, there are at LEAST three other players who did not check in before P-S left for the night (I only bothered to check the first page) and could just as easily been the reason for the wait for the 9th contract. So why not only speculate that this was my fault but that I was next in line? No evidence + almost 1/3 of players in the exact same scenario = bad analysis. I'd like to hear why Ay singled me out and ignored everyone else who showed up before I did but after P-S left. Okaros, since you felt compelled to speak up, be compelled to reply in your defense of Ay as well.

[Korbas]

Ay Estos, on 06 May 2014 - 06:32 PM, said:

Hanas, on 06 May 2014 - 05:26 PM, said:

snip
Pressure vote, that's cool, I don't mind. What's with the word "up" being struck through? Anything that would explain this? It's obviously deliberate. Just a joke?

But then:

Ay Estos, on 06 May 2014 - 02:11 PM, said:

Chances are Hanas is the one who missed on out contracts, and at number 9 he delayed the others getting theirs. Still want to hear from them so won't be removing my vote until they show up. 11 hours until they are modkilled?

Did no one else look at this? I have serious problems with this. First, it is absolutely illogical to correlate posting times or checking in with contract registration. Anyone could register a contract as soon as the game started and then wait to be the last one to check in, like I was (pretty sure I was last anyway). So this is poor analysis - but it's really bad because it also proceeds to imply negative results. You're not only blaming me for delaying others in registering contracts (without sufficient cause), but you also decide to post on thread whatever registration number you think I have?

I can see only two outcomes from this - either Ay is claiming to have an ability that gives him information about people's registration order (real or not), or he's scum. That seems black and white I know - but if you were town, how could it possibly help town this early in the game to put this kind of information on thread, true or not? Smells like scum to me.

Vote Ay Estos

Until I receive a satisfactory explanation. Quid pro quo, if you will. Aside from that I find Venesara's slip to be damning and would prefer to vote for her, assuming Ay can explain sufficiently.

Felt up was just a joke, that when you arrived we would do naughty things to you. Still on day one, some sillyness every now and then is permissible and passes the time until we get to the juicy parts. it gets you lynched for being the only case in sight.

I believe you were number 9 for the following reasons, which Okaros basically nailed; but I will say in my own words anyway

Contracts have seemingly been registered as soon as the next in sequence came in, we had the first 5 pop up all at once, though apparently antitank was first now? Then there was a gap of a few hours, then three more popped up and stalled until time out.

I think the sequence went something like this 1, PS updated list, 3, 4, 5, 2 then PS updated those four, then 7, 8, 6 updated those three, then time out update the rest. I find it hard to imgaine that someone not only (1) chose to not submit a request, but (2) didn't PM PS "I choose to not register anything" or something to that effect. I didn't mean to make it sound like I was putting pressure on you blaming you for delaying those guys, it didn't impact the game in any significant way, so no big deal.

The order we receive contracts in is randomzed from day to day, so I see no value in hiding our guessing where someone came in the list after the list is made. Excepting scum first and the changes made to the registries.

I corrected your sentence above for accuracy.

I agree with Ay Estos' reasoning on registration sequencing and conclusions that can be drawn from available information.

[Okaros]

Hanas, on 06 May 2014 - 06:47 PM, said:

Okaros, since you felt compelled to speak up, be compelled to reply in your defense of Ay as well.

I'm busy having a closer look at Venesara. When I'm done with that, I'll definitely give you my $0.02 about why you're so wrong it hurts. I'll leave you with this nugget of wisdom though: I don't see why you're fighting it so much, all the argument really does is show that you're PI.

[Ay Estos]

You are the only person who had yet to check in when the registration period ended, when it did, 13 of 14 players ended up with contracts. PS updated them repeatedly for a few hours then stopped updating after 8 and didn't resume until the deadline passed for #9 to put in his registration request. I think anyone who took the time to register their contract will have checked in as well, simply because we didn't know they would be registered as soon as PS got them in.

Don't feel like I am doing any mental gymnastics here.

[Korbas]

Hanas, on 06 May 2014 - 06:47 PM, said:

Here's my issue with that line of thinking:

Path-Shaper, on 06 May 2014 - 02:55 AM, said:

This mod is off for the night, see you in the morning.

Demelain, on 06 May 2014 - 03:39 AM, said:

Morning morning!

Checking in and I'm off again. will be in a few hours later in the day.

Ryllandaras, on 06 May 2014 - 09:50 AM, said:

Checking in only. Won't have time for actual posting till this evening.

Karatallid, on 06 May 2014 - 12:10 PM, said:

Just checking in. The opening time for the thread coincided with a particularly long sleep/work/sleep/work cycle. I should be around a lot more tomorrow (hopefully).

Granted, Day One we really have nothing to go on with the current level of participation - I get the feeling the contracts speculation might distract us for a short while, which isn't entirely helpful. Scum don't have to keep using the same powers every night, so patterns etc in the killings may not be as reliable as normal, but at the end of the day they have to remove Town. By definition, unless a Town player has a really solid reason to believe someone is Scum, there should be no kills being thrown around that aren't Scum-on-Town. Long story short; we may end up hunting scum with more variable abilities, but Town should still be playing whatever abilities can be picked up for Town; so let's not get bogged down in too much mechanics speculation, eh?

Okaros, on 06 May 2014 - 01:57 PM, said:

13 of 14 open contracts are now registered, btw.

These check-in posts are all from the first page of the game. P-S leaves with 8 contracts registered, correct? Then three people check in within close proximity to one another afterwards; after P-S returns in the morning, 13 of 14 contracts are registered. This is all still before I've checked in at all.

Explain to me, then, why Ay would single me out in such a specific way when based on the logic being used, there are at LEAST three other players who did not check in before P-S left for the night (I only bothered to check the first page) and could just as easily been the reason for the wait for the 9th contract. So why not only speculate that this was my fault but that I was next in line? No evidence + almost 1/3 of players in the exact same scenario = bad analysis. I'd like to hear why Ay singled me out and ignored everyone else who showed up before I did but after P-S left. Okaros, since you felt compelled to speak up, be compelled to reply in your defense of Ay as well.

Okaros, on 06 May 2014 - 06:55 PM, said:

Hanas, on 06 May 2014 - 06:47 PM, said:

Okaros, since you felt compelled to speak up, be compelled to reply in your defense of Ay as well.

I'm busy having a closer look at Venesara. When I'm done with that, I'll definitely give you my $0.02 about why you're so wrong it hurts. I'll leave you with this nugget of wisdom though: I don't see why you're fighting it so much, all the argument really does is show that you're PI.

Okaros has a point. If you're arguing against the logic itself that's one thing. But you seem to be rather defensive. Which is very odd considering that you could just sit back and stay PI as registrant #9.

[Okaros]

Alright, so given the potential 'slip' by Venesara, I've been having a closer look at his posts, and I'm a little more suspicious about him.

Aside from posts like the following, which are basically just "Hey, look at me, I'm participating like a good little townie!" posts...

Venesara, on 06 May 2014 - 08:01 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 06 May 2014 - 02:55 AM, said:

It is Day 1. 26 hours and 54 minutes remain. 8 hours and 54 minutes of registration remain.

14 players are alive: Anthras, Ay Estos, Demelain, Hanas, Hentos Ilm, Karatallid, Kaschan, Korbas, Korbalain, Okaros, Pran Chole, Ryllandaras, Tholen, Venesara

8 votes to lynch. 7 votes to go to night.


No one has voted.

Vote Korbalian

Venesara, on 06 May 2014 - 11:38 AM, said:

Pran Chole, on 06 May 2014 - 11:35 AM, said:

Wow, it's been almost 24 hours since the opening of thread, and we have barely any posts. What's going on peoples?

Exactly. Day one no lynch looks mighty probable

Venesara, on 06 May 2014 - 12:23 PM, said:

Pran Chole, on 06 May 2014 - 11:48 AM, said:

Venesera, why Korvalain, out of all that?

Because the name was spelled incorrectly. Just a kick start vote really.

I could post a bunch more of these types of posts - most of what Venesara has said and done has been the same style of posting as above.

But... This post right here really rubbed me the wrong way:

Venesara, on 06 May 2014 - 12:25 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 06 May 2014 - 12:10 PM, said:

Just checking in. The opening time for the thread coincided with a particularly long sleep/work/sleep/work cycle. I should be around a lot more tomorrow (hopefully).



Granted, Day One we really have nothing to go on with the current level of participation - I get the feeling the contracts speculation might distract us for a short while, which isn't entirely helpful. Scum don't have to keep using the same powers every night, so patterns etc in the killings may not be as reliable as normal, but at the end of the day they have to remove Town. By definition, unless a Town player has a really solid reason to believe someone is Scum, there should be no kills being thrown around that aren't Scum-on-Town. Long story short; we may end up hunting scum with more variable abilities, but Town should still be playing whatever abilities can be picked up for Town; so let's not get bogged down in too much mechanics speculation, eh?

I agree, hence why I haven't brought that shit up or bitten when numbers were talked about earlier.

I do believe each of us should be prodding and getting our votes out there, even if it is just to provoke reactions. The less responses we get, we lynch that person.

It rubbed me the wrong way because he's basically agreeing with Karatallid that we shouldn't be speculating about mechanics. I would posit that in this kind of game, it's going to be VERY important for us to pay attention to mechanics. Given the dynamics of the game will constantly be shifting, and the only way to figure out how they are shifting is by paying very close attention to the mechanics to see who's holding what contracts, I think that ignoring mechanics can only hurt town.

Normally I'd give this kind of thing a pass on Day 1 - we've just started the game and are feeling our way around the room so to speak. However, coupled with his possible slip, and his "Good Townie" style posts I'm more and more suspicious about him.

Vote Venesara

[Okaros]

Ay Estos, on 06 May 2014 - 06:59 PM, said:

You are the only person who had yet to check in when the registration period ended, when it did, 13 of 14 players ended up with contracts. PS updated them repeatedly for a few hours then stopped updating after 8 and didn't resume until the deadline passed for #9 to put in his registration request. I think anyone who took the time to register their contract will have checked in as well, simply because we didn't know they would be registered as soon as PS got them in.

Don't feel like I am doing any mental gymnastics here.

I couldn't have said it better myself. This is exactly why you were most likely Number 9 in the line. But as I said, if anything this PI's you. Your defensiveness is what has me a little worried.