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Mafia 111 Fist of the North Star

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 12:32 PM

View PostTiamatha, on 16 April 2014 - 12:27 PM, said:

View PostLock, on 15 April 2014 - 11:57 PM, said:

Alright, here is my current thinking. The premise below is based on a complete supposition, so may be entirely inaccurate. Similarly, the narrowing down of the suspect pool is largely based on reasoning rather than evidence - but this is the track I've decided to follow for now. In any event, I do think the scenario is a plausible one - plausible enough to be worth investigating anyway.

So, the theory is: Monok was killed because of the irritating RP, and nothing more



lay out your other theory now for us, I want some more wild theorizing to wash my lunch down with. Granted night one kills can be as random as day one lynchs, but to pick off one of the best players we currently have on pure luck by wasting an 'annoying' player who was clearly irritating the majority of the thread? Don't buy it lock, try harder.

Back on thread I'm still.waiting for shadow to pop up, and at lunch time I'm gonna see.if I can read through him in isolation, still not happy with how Denul has faded into the mist and OL's work intrigues me, could be a good catch on the posts.



I believe I did already a few posts above.

Whether you buy it or not has little relevance to me. Very rich for you to say 'try harder' to anyone.

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 12:33 PM

View PostMonok Ochem, on 15 April 2014 - 08:10 PM, said:

View PostGalayn Lord, on 15 April 2014 - 07:41 PM, said:

View PostMonok Ochem, on 15 April 2014 - 06:39 PM, said:

NARRATOR: (COMING OUT OF CHARACTER) META IS NOT ALLOWED IN MAFIA GAMES OF RANDOMLY-ALTED DESIGN. ATTEMPTING TO DERAIL AND/OR THROW ASPERSION ON A CASE DUE TO META IS REPREHENSIBLE AND AT MINIMUM POOR FORM. IF YOU SUSPECT THIS CASE TO BE ANYTHING BUT IN ERNEST, TAKE IT UP WITH PATHSHAPER IN YOUR PM'S, NOT ON THREAD.


Noted.

Not at all derailing. Simply saying I wish to be certain of Denul. Several things about my read of him seem odd.

Will take it up with PS off-thread.

I already stated when I voted Serc that I'm happier moving on if its possible to remove doubt and find a more definate case. Are you ok leaving Serc be? personally I get nothing concrete from a Denul CF without a lynch to review but I am in no way opposed to it. It makes alot of sense, my gut is the only thing holding me back.

Sercs CF may offer more info about players outside the Denul, Serc duo. Both Serc and denul have said things that contradict each other and contradict themselves. If theres a link I'm seeing Serc as the less threatening but more pivotal player? If you see this as a defence of Denul then you are mistaken. I'd rather deal with Denul Day 2 rather than deal with Serc day 2 purely based on confusion around Denuls content vs the simplicity of Sercs.


I personally thought Serc was a distraction. Here's the thing: what bothered me early on was how a case was building on Serc for symping, despite the well-known adage "lynch the master not the symp." I was similarly surprised that nothing had been said about Denul, and endeavored to make a case. Unfortunately, Denul plays like most do, townie through and through, with many elements we've come to see and love about those we think we can trust. Most telling, however, was how viciously Deul reacted to the accusations and the the subsequent biting sarcasms, pointing out "oh look signalling! oh look more signalling" and then making the bipolar switch to being helpful. And Denul has definitely seemed helpful, doing rereads, posting vote counts, keeping track of how long of the day is left. Townie, right?

As for Korabas, Korabas was a poorly done symp case, trying to lend weight behind the burgeoning case on Serc. The reason I felt suspicious of this case was that it addressed Serc without even acknowledging Denul's attachment to that group. And then we spend today piling up on Serc, who is being called a symp, still, and expecting Denul to be cleared? That just doesn't make any sense to me. So I think, really, there is a lot of deflection and scrambling going on, and that even if Serc is a symp, we will gain nothing from lynching him. Instead, Denul will just have that much more "told you so" and will disappear into the post lynch haze of day 2.


I have found that when Gusty is town he is usually really good at spotting scum and different connections between scum. I know in GOM that he was dead on before he died.

Based on my own suspicion of Denul and Korbas attempting to try to direct something at me. When I came out and said that I still suspected Denul I am like a vote on Denul more and more.

Vote Denul

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 12:33 PM

View PostTiamatha, on 16 April 2014 - 12:27 PM, said:

View PostLock, on 15 April 2014 - 11:57 PM, said:

Alright, here is my current thinking. The premise below is based on a complete supposition, so may be entirely inaccurate. Similarly, the narrowing down of the suspect pool is largely based on reasoning rather than evidence - but this is the track I've decided to follow for now. In any event, I do think the scenario is a plausible one - plausible enough to be worth investigating anyway.

So, the theory is: Monok was killed because of the irritating RP, and nothing more



lay out your other theory now for us, I want some more wild theorizing to wash my lunch down with. Granted night one kills can be as random as day one lynchs, but to pick off one of the best players we currently have on pure luck by wasting an 'annoying' player who was clearly irritating the majority of the thread? Don't buy it lock, try harder.

Back on thread I'm still.waiting for shadow to pop up, and at lunch time I'm gonna see.if I can read through him in isolation, still not happy with how Denul has faded into the mist and OL's work intrigues me, could be a good catch on the posts.


Seriously, why would scum kill someone for being annoying? Thats good for scum, annoying people draw thread attention away from them.

I am firmly in the 'lynched cause he was on to something' camp.

Either that or Monok was a scum FM that jumped.

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 12:38 PM

View PostRuse, on 16 April 2014 - 12:33 PM, said:


Seriously, why would scum kill someone for being annoying? Thats good for scum, annoying people draw thread attention away from them.

I am firmly in the 'lynched cause he was on to something' camp.

Either that or Monok was a scum FM that jumped.



But that works the other way round as well, doesn't it? Why would scum kill Monok, he was annoying! And attracting negative attention. In any case, I've already answered this a few posts above, so I don't know why you're repeating the question.


As for the FM thing...unless you know something you're just throwing that out of nowhere.

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 12:43 PM

View PostRuse, on 16 April 2014 - 12:33 PM, said:

View PostTiamatha, on 16 April 2014 - 12:27 PM, said:

View PostLock, on 15 April 2014 - 11:57 PM, said:

Alright, here is my current thinking. The premise below is based on a complete supposition, so may be entirely inaccurate. Similarly, the narrowing down of the suspect pool is largely based on reasoning rather than evidence - but this is the track I've decided to follow for now. In any event, I do think the scenario is a plausible one - plausible enough to be worth investigating anyway.

So, the theory is: Monok was killed because of the irritating RP, and nothing more



lay out your other theory now for us, I want some more wild theorizing to wash my lunch down with. Granted night one kills can be as random as day one lynchs, but to pick off one of the best players we currently have on pure luck by wasting an 'annoying' player who was clearly irritating the majority of the thread? Don't buy it lock, try harder.

Back on thread I'm still.waiting for shadow to pop up, and at lunch time I'm gonna see.if I can read through him in isolation, still not happy with how Denul has faded into the mist and OL's work intrigues me, could be a good catch on the posts.


Seriously, why would scum kill someone for being annoying? Thats good for scum, annoying people draw thread attention away from them.

I am firmly in the 'lynched cause he was on to something' camp.

Either that or Monok was a scum FM that jumped.


Unless you know of a FM in the game that kind of speculation only servers to cloud the thread and allows scum to hide. Frankly if you know for fact that there is a FM in this game that is information that town should have. If you do not have said information and instead are merely speculating, then stop.

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 12:45 PM

It is Day 2.

16 hours and 31 minutes are left.

14 players alive.
Alkend, Ampelas, Bek Okhan, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kessobahn, Korabas, Lock, Okral Lom, Rikkter, Ruse, Shadow, Tiamatha

8 votes to lynch, 8 to go to night.

2 votes Shadow: Korabas, Tiam
1 vote Denul: Shadow

Players not voted: Alkend, Ampelas, Bek Okhan, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kessobahn, Lock, Okral Lom, Rikkter, Ruse
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Posted 16 April 2014 - 12:58 PM

So here's the first of the three: Galayn Lord. GL has 9 posts, which may not seem very much, but when they do post, they are considerately constructed and usually have something to add. I've included a few below for further discussion.


View PostGalayn Lord, on 14 April 2014 - 06:24 PM, said:

View PostDenul, on 14 April 2014 - 06:09 PM, said:

View PostPath-Shaper, on 11 April 2014 - 02:07 PM, said:

Victory Conditions

Town: Eliminate Kenshiro

Scum: Achieve majority OR Kenshiro kills the 3 warlords. If a warlord is lynched, it does not count toward this VC, which becomes null.



This makes me think that there are other scum roles beyond Kenshiro.



Ok skimmed through. I'm gonna agree with this.

Also that was pretty shallow thinking from Serc, Poor thing to say for Town. Maybe inexperienced player talking? Anyway read up on the Fist of the North Star. Kenshiro had several ineffectual supporters like Bat and Lin. Theres also Toki and Yuri sooo plenty of stock for scum here.

Kenshiro



GL is the one who throws the possible inexperienced player on to Serc (lol, Ment, you inexperienced player :sofa: ), which was swiftly countered by several people pointing at the sign-up list.

GL gives us information which leads them to believe that Kenshiro does have allies in this game. As an aside, I always get the feeling that those who read up on the game context are more 'invested' in the game. Perhaps something to keep an eye on, though I hate to say that about someone who has shown that they are paying attention to the context (and therefore possibly also the mechanics) of the game.


View PostGalayn Lord, on 15 April 2014 - 05:30 AM, said:

View PostMonok Ochem, on 15 April 2014 - 04:34 AM, said:

Spoiler
: Thank you Stibbons. So the question I have is why are we arsing about spending so much bloody time or Korabas when if he's the so-called symp, we ought to be focusing on Serc! I think this is all smoke and mirrors, and really, we ought to be testing by stringing up that Serc fellow, or maybe one of the supposedly upright citizens trying so valiantly to make a case on them!

Oook...

Spoiler
: Sorry Librarian, just felt a bit strongly about it. Damn, got sucked into this song and dance....



I'm not sure I understand this all but as we seem to be doing a discworld thing I'll have to admit I enjoyed these posts just a tiny bit. I'll sneak some rep in when no ones looking.

Right on to business. Look, we did this last game. Figured we had a master being symped. It turned out later the symp was setting the town player up. Like the monkey I have my misgivings about chasing Serc because Korabas might be symping or distracting from him (or not). We have had good day one records of late then we sort of lose the plot. How about we keep things focused this time?

If I vote Serc I vote on the things they say which were bad enough. Korabas warrants the attention he's getting, saying two things at once like he did only muddied the waters. I'd rather weigh each player on their own seperate actions this game. I'll vote Serc or Korabas. Serc feels the oddest, will wait to hear more from him before deciding which way to go.


Galayn was one of the few who seemed to at least half-enjoy Monok's RP.

Here GL briefly lists his feelings on Serc and Korabas. If I was nit-picking, I would say that the build-up leads one to believe that they would find Korabas more suspicious, but instead they say 'Serc feels the oddest'. Genuine feeling, or saying that in preparation for a Serc vote because that's by far the likelier lynch of the two?



View PostGalayn Lord, on 15 April 2014 - 05:25 PM, said:

View PostDenul, on 15 April 2014 - 03:49 PM, said:

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We, and by we I mean the general mafia-playing populace on these forums, ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS think there should be symps in the game. Look at the last game - we day 1 lynched a scum and HE CF'D AS SCUM and we were still arguing for days afterwards that he was actually a symp, or that he was not scum at all, etc etc. And in the end, there were no symps in the game at all.

To use Serc's own example from page 2 or so, Khell's Name of the Rose game was just one lone killer against a dozen RIs, which would normally be extremely unbalanced, and the only way D'rek lasted to the end was because the town spent five striaght days arguing about really flimsy signalling cases.

I don't want to turn this into some sort of the oldies are better mafia players rant or anything, but as things are right now we spend waaaaay too much time arguing about signalling and it is almost always to the detriment of town. When you play mafia in person, you never go on huge hunts for symps, you usually just ignore them but keep your suspicions up, because that's how you get them to reach too far and give away their killer. Jumping onto every single fucking post and calling it a possible signal right away just puts the scum hackles up and they simply won't signal, will sit back and let town witchhunt themselves and come out smelling of rose-scented dicks.


Ok, Yeah for all Denuls hooting and holering this is a really sound statement for Town? Maybe the best I've heard in a couple of games despite it coming from a player I'm struggling to read. We spend too much time trying to assume scum slipped up and in doing so prevent scum doing enough to build a decent case on them.

Any of the more vocal players on here can be scum really. Thanks to town drowning out cases its a huge garbled mess, painful to read through. I had a few ideas for cases but really I'm not going to try straighten all that thread spaghetti. Again I say how about we keep it focused?

Occams Razor has proven invaluable day 1. Simple cases work out. Serc has such a simple case on him. I'd like to address that.

Serc: I want to hear what you thinks about players accusing you. There was that odd speculation that only one Scum existed, based off the OP? I suggested the FotNS lore proved otherwise but also Denul engaged you directly and "corrected" you making his own conclusions from the OP.

I recall your speculation was intended to get scum onto you, exposing themselves? for me, this is a poor excuse for poor posting but giving you the benefit of a doubt Has any such player in your opinion showed up?

Who exactly fits that bill in your opinion?

My vote on you relies on a reply proving your methods, without one, bad speculation is costing town dearly. It led up to all 4 pages of cross arguments. I want to know if it had any substance. you're our best lynch if it didn't.



Here, GL demonstrates strong agreement with Denul (I admit I liked the particular post being referred to as well).

But this post is mostly about asking questions of Serc before placing their vote. In my opinion, they are pertinent questions, and demonstrate a good reading of and attention to the game. The one error lies in the second question, about Serc wanting to attract scum to them, which Serc corrected, saying it was someone else who labelled them with that.

Anyway, what I'm trying to get that is, to me, these don't seem like pointless questions solely designed to falsely imply content. These are the kinds of things I would have been interested to hear from Serc as well.



View PostGalayn Lord, on 15 April 2014 - 06:16 PM, said:

View PostSerc, on 15 April 2014 - 05:45 PM, said:


Player accusing me--Alkend, mostly. He is eager, but accepts his mistakes (see the lasty page of him and Denul). don't get a scum vibe.

Brown Bear (the T'lann Imass names are confusing): he latched on to me after Korabas allegedly symped me. That is a much weaker argument, imo. given how much joking around he did before, it's suspicious. Day 1 gut, but that's where I'd look-he suddenly got super-serious and started to actively push for some pretty weak cases.

Denul-he's defending me, and himself. Not doing a great job-he brings a lot of attention to himself, and then votes me, so as to "sever" any ties. it'd make some sense if I was to CF scum, but I'm not. For the rest of you, you can try "testing him" by lynching me, but me, knowing how I'll CF, I can't really say one way or the other.




As for "me attracting scum to myself"-that is a motive that was attributed to me, one that I denied. I was honest-my motive for that post was Day 1 Monday laziness, and basically asking someone who read the wiki provided to point out if there are any "scum"-sounding roles in the FotNS lore.

wrt to "has anyone showed up?"-although I didn't intent to bait anyone, Brown Bear's involvement strikes me as odd. I'd also like to vote Kesso, but that's cuz he only posted once, and in math at that.




Not bad for a reply.

TBH I don't think keeping you on would be wise. I do think you raise some good points here, I've been keen to hear more from the above for similar reasons. I think Denul is the first port of call after we get your CF, which honestly seems the right play for town. We need to know whats happening with one of you and Denul seems the more logical choice to keep on day 2 IMO, others might disagree. I'm voting Serc because honestly that reply and your CF sets us on the right path. Nothing personal.


Vote Serc

If someone thinks a better case could be made without Sercs CF I'm actually happier following that.



Serc's reply and Galayn's vote. Galayn demonstrates reluctance in voting for Serc - something admittedly more than a few did - and suggests that they will look at Denul today. Galayn doesn't go into why he thought Serc was the more logical choice out of Serc and Denul - I'd be keen to know why.


View PostGalayn Lord, on 15 April 2014 - 07:41 PM, said:

View PostMonok Ochem, on 15 April 2014 - 06:39 PM, said:

NARRATOR: (COMING OUT OF CHARACTER) META IS NOT ALLOWED IN MAFIA GAMES OF RANDOMLY-ALTED DESIGN. ATTEMPTING TO DERAIL AND/OR THROW ASPERSION ON A CASE DUE TO META IS REPREHENSIBLE AND AT MINIMUM POOR FORM. IF YOU SUSPECT THIS CASE TO BE ANYTHING BUT IN ERNEST, TAKE IT UP WITH PATHSHAPER IN YOUR PM'S, NOT ON THREAD.


Noted.

Not at all derailing. Simply saying I wish to be certain of Denul. Several things about my read of him seem odd.

Will take it up with PS off-thread.

I already stated when I voted Serc that I'm happier moving on if its possible to remove doubt and find a more definate case. Are you ok leaving Serc be? personally I get nothing concrete from a Denul CF without a lynch to review but I am in no way opposed to it. It makes alot of sense, my gut is the only thing holding me back.

Sercs CF may offer more info about players outside the Denul, Serc duo. Both Serc and denul have said things that contradict each other and contradict themselves. If theres a link I'm seeing Serc as the less threatening but more pivotal player? If you see this as a defence of Denul then you are mistaken. I'd rather deal with Denul Day 2 rather than deal with Serc day 2 purely based on confusion around Denuls content vs the simplicity of Sercs.



Once again Galayn states misgivings about a Serc lynch, though they do provide a brief explanation to my question above - dealing with the simpler matter/case first. Once again, though, the implication is that they will look into Denul today.



There's nothing majorly (or even that minorly) incriminating about Galayn that I could find. It would usually be pretty difficult to do so with nine posts total anyway, but overall those posts don't display much 'empty filler' content either.

On to the next.

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 01:28 PM

why would you even mention an FM Ruse? Its scum vs town, its stated quite clearly in the sign up, we voted for it and everything. If there is an FM and the mod didn't mention it I spit the dummy quite firmly out of the pram and lose the fucking plot.

I like shadows vote, but not who its coming from, blegh, its Sophies choice!

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 01:41 PM

View PostShadow, on 16 April 2014 - 12:43 PM, said:

View PostRuse, on 16 April 2014 - 12:33 PM, said:

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View PostLock, on 15 April 2014 - 11:57 PM, said:

Alright, here is my current thinking. The premise below is based on a complete supposition, so may be entirely inaccurate. Similarly, the narrowing down of the suspect pool is largely based on reasoning rather than evidence - but this is the track I've decided to follow for now. In any event, I do think the scenario is a plausible one - plausible enough to be worth investigating anyway.

So, the theory is: Monok was killed because of the irritating RP, and nothing more



lay out your other theory now for us, I want some more wild theorizing to wash my lunch down with. Granted night one kills can be as random as day one lynchs, but to pick off one of the best players we currently have on pure luck by wasting an 'annoying' player who was clearly irritating the majority of the thread? Don't buy it lock, try harder.

Back on thread I'm still.waiting for shadow to pop up, and at lunch time I'm gonna see.if I can read through him in isolation, still not happy with how Denul has faded into the mist and OL's work intrigues me, could be a good catch on the posts.


Seriously, why would scum kill someone for being annoying? Thats good for scum, annoying people draw thread attention away from them.

I am firmly in the 'lynched cause he was on to something' camp.

Either that or Monok was a scum FM that jumped.


Unless you know of a FM in the game that kind of speculation only servers to cloud the thread and allows scum to hide. Frankly if you know for fact that there is a FM in this game that is information that town should have. If you do not have said information and instead are merely speculating, then stop.


Wow, here I am actually participating and I'm being told to stop.

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 01:44 PM

View PostTiamatha, on 16 April 2014 - 01:28 PM, said:

why would you even mention an FM Ruse? Its scum vs town, its stated quite clearly in the sign up, we voted for it and everything. If there is an FM and the mod didn't mention it I spit the dummy quite firmly out of the pram and lose the fucking plot.

I like shadows vote, but not who its coming from, blegh, its Sophies choice!


Uhm, just cause it's town vs scum doesn't mean there can't be a FM in the game. Its not a faction specific role, after all.

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 02:15 PM

I'm going to bed. Timeout is well after I wake up though, so no fears on that account.
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Posted 16 April 2014 - 02:34 PM

View PostRuse, on 16 April 2014 - 12:33 PM, said:

Seriously, why would scum kill someone for being annoying? Thats good for scum, annoying people draw thread attention away from them.

I am firmly in the 'lynched cause he was on to something' camp.

Either that or Monok was a scum FM that jumped.


There have been games where the scum get rid of people in alphabetical order. There have been games where the scum get rid of people from highest post count down. I've seen scum argue that they can't get rid of someone who was onto them because it will make others suspicious, and I've seen scum who will get rid of those that are sniffing around without a second thought. The reasons for Monok getting lynched depend very heavily on the psyche/playstyle of the killer, so while we shouldn't necessarily discard "why was he NKed" evidence, we have to treat it with a heavy dose of WIFOM-based scepticism.

The FM idea shouldn't be discarded out of hand, but it seems unlikely to me. The name of the player in the CF would be the player whose alt the FM stole. I think it's fair to say that MO's playstyle was consistent with what we've seen from GH in the past...(man, I hate meta though)

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 02:58 PM

Le sigh. Mama told me there'd be days like this. She failed to mention that they come in bunches like grapes. I'll be back, but after a quick read of the posts from lynch to now:

Monty Hall is a probability problem and does not in any way apply to this game at this juncture. Clearing or voting Denul based upon a flawed application is stupid.

Why was MO killed? Isn't the common theory that debating night actions is WIFOM and/or only scum engage in it? I'm not a fan of either of those theories but MO's RP muddies the waters on that subject. (It was a faction game but I once made a kill choice using random.org)

FM?? Where did that come from? Strange thing to throw out there.

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 03:12 PM

Just checking in for the morning. I have only skimmed, but I'm not exactly satisfied with Shadow's defense.

It might just be me, but it seems that Denul has been keeping his head down today. He was quiet until the case built on him day 1, then follows a flurry of posts to cover his ass, and now quiet returns with safety. This must be the haze that Monok talked about.

I'll be gone for a few hours this morning, but we have 13 hours or so left in the day. I'll have time once I get back to give the thread a good read.

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 03:26 PM

View PostKessobahn, on 16 April 2014 - 02:58 PM, said:

Monty Hall is a probability problem and does not in any way apply to this game at this juncture. Clearing or voting Denul based upon a flawed application is stupid.


Are you trying to argue that Day 1 lynches are not essentially random? When the cases are built up from whatever random post someone decides looks like signalling? The exact probabilities may not be accurate, but the general principle is - a case built with the extra information we've gathered over the past day of play is going to be better than one created from signaling only, and furthermore we are more likely to disturb scum with a non-Denul case than lasering in on Denul and Denul only at this juncture.

I'm not saying we should clear Denul, I'm saying we should be trying our hand at turning up some new suspects because those cases are likely to have more basis. Let's see what happens when the focus is pointed elsewhere - it can always be put back on him later. I don't really subscribe to the whole "Oh, but leaving him around will end up muddying the thread" line of thought. The thread should be muddy - if it's clean and there's only one or two options each day, how can you hope to find the scum in time?

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 03:27 PM

Online and reading up.

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 03:32 PM

View PostKorabas, on 16 April 2014 - 03:12 PM, said:

Just checking in for the morning. I have only skimmed, but I'm not exactly satisfied with Shadow's defense.

It might just be me, but it seems that Denul has been keeping his head down today. He was quiet until the case built on him day 1, then follows a flurry of posts to cover his ass, and now quiet returns with safety. This must be the haze that Monok talked about.

I'll be gone for a few hours this morning, but we have 13 hours or so left in the day. I'll have time once I get back to give the thread a good read.


Having said what I did in response to Kessobahn, I do agree with you that Denul's silence today is rather perturbing. If he wants to help the town he should be contributing - all I've seen from him so far is intense self-defence and that's not really very useful at all...

EDIT: X-post...maybe Denul can make a mockery of this now :sofa:

This post has been edited by Okral Lom: 16 April 2014 - 03:32 PM


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Posted 16 April 2014 - 03:36 PM

View PostOkral Lom, on 16 April 2014 - 03:32 PM, said:

View PostKorabas, on 16 April 2014 - 03:12 PM, said:

Just checking in for the morning. I have only skimmed, but I'm not exactly satisfied with Shadow's defense.

It might just be me, but it seems that Denul has been keeping his head down today. He was quiet until the case built on him day 1, then follows a flurry of posts to cover his ass, and now quiet returns with safety. This must be the haze that Monok talked about.

I'll be gone for a few hours this morning, but we have 13 hours or so left in the day. I'll have time once I get back to give the thread a good read.


Having said what I did in response to Kessobahn, I do agree with you that Denul's silence today is rather perturbing. If he wants to help the town he should be contributing - all I've seen from him so far is intense self-defence and that's not really very useful at all...

EDIT: X-post...maybe Denul can make a mockery of this now :)


Well, I think saying that I've been unusually silent today is a bit premature - my major posting times are always in the evenings anyways, so I don't think my unavailability during the morning/afternoon today has been unusual? No mockery though, I can understand if people are a bit on edge what with this kungfu astronaut muscle man coming after us! :sofa:

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 03:43 PM

Maybe I missed certain games that would explain it but is it weird to anyone else how Tiam and Shadow are worshipping the ground Gust walks on?

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 03:47 PM

View PostRuse, on 15 April 2014 - 10:23 PM, said:

View PostPath-Shaper, on 15 April 2014 - 09:11 PM, said:

(Please ignore the typical apocalypse convention of vehicles being used, without answering the question "where do they get their gasoline? )

The welcoming party turned out to be a small scouting party on ATV's. Surrounding Kenshiro, an argument ensued as to whether they should kill him and bring his body to their captain, kill him and bring the captain to the body, bring him to the captain and THEN kill him, or as one bright one suggested, kill him, take the body to the captain, and then kill him again. Meanwhile, another member of the party was bouncing about making suggestions and punctuating his ideas with ape-like "Oook Eeek's". It appeared that the others were used to this, and ignored him.

Kenshiro simply walked up to Oook Eeek and plunged both thumbs into either side of his neck. When the goon's head exploded, the others decided that the argument was over and they split.

Kenshiro walked unmolested into the city.


Day One is Over

16 players alive.
Alkend, Ampelas, Bek Okhan, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kessobahn, Korabas, Lock, Okral Lom, Monok Ochem, Rikkter, Ruse, Serc, Shadow, Tiamatha

9 votes to lynch, 8 to go to night.


3 votes Denul: Monok Ochem, Bek Okhan, Shadow
9 votes Serc: Alkend, Korabas, Lock, Denul, Galayn Lord, Okral Lom, Tiamatha, Ampelas, Eloth
1 vote Okral Lom: Serc

Players not voted: Kessobahn, Rikkter, Ruse,


Serc has been lynched. He was Mentalist, and RI.

Monok Ochem is dead. He was Gust Hubb and RI



Ouch, Ment and Gusty in one day. Rough.


Another Gust worshipper? As well as Ment?

This reaction post by Ruse strikes me as odd - why is it so "ouch" and "rough" that it was Ment and Gust? If it had been Macros and Dolmen would your reaction have been "well at least it wasn't Ment and Gust, then we'd really be screwed!" ?

Either Ruse thinks Ment and Gust are superior players to the rest of us, or else this seems to be a feigned emotional reaction, IMO.

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