[Eloth]

Denul, on 15 April 2014 - 03:51 PM, said:

I said I first proved Kenshiro CANNOT be alone. Alkend said I lied about that. I don't know how this became about me saying Kenshiro IS alone - something I never said and do not claim to have said!

Yeah I see that now.

[Alkend]

To be honest Denul, I do like your posts and Serc's CF will make me feel better or worse towards you.

[Alkend]

Lunchtime!! I have last night's chili and a bag of nachos

[Serc]

I will laugh so hard if I get to SH and there is, in fact only a killer.

As someone unfamiliar with Pratchett's work, was there any meaning to MO's eeking and ooking, or were those just generic monkey noises?

[Denul]

Serc, on 15 April 2014 - 04:13 PM, said:

I will laugh so hard if I get to SH and there is, in fact only a killer.

As someone unfamiliar with Pratchett's work, was there any meaning to MO's eeking and ooking, or were those just generic monkey noises?

AFAIK, just monkey sounds.

[Shadow]

After reading and rereading the thread now. The things that stand out is Denul. He was a middling poster until Alkend started to pressure Serc. Then he exploded into the scene. While there was talk about scum having more then one member there was absolutely no talk from anyone about there being paired killers until Denul brought it up. I think that was a slip up. Yes I know there are a bunch of potential sympage things going on with Serc. I like Denul for being scum.


Vote Denul

[Shadow]

VOTE DENUL

[Eloth]

Serc, on 15 April 2014 - 04:13 PM, said:

I will laugh so hard if I get to SH and there is, in fact only a killer.

As someone unfamiliar with Pratchett's work, was there any meaning to MO's eeking and ooking, or were those just generic monkey noises?

Is this all you are going to say about the discussion surrounding you? I assumed you would have some sort of analysis or rebuttal. With Denul's vote, he's pushed the lynch in your favor over his own - 4 votes Serc, 3 votes Denul now, if I'm not mistaken. We need what, 9 to lynch? And only like 5 hours left on the clock. Depending on who shows up (and who doesn't - Alk basically said he isn't moving his vote), we may have problems with numbers. But it's going to be interesting if Denul's vote is what swings the lynch away from him onto you.

Right now I'm inclined to vote Serc - I'm hoping it will clear up things with Denul, in addition to all of the signalling confusion. I also don't like the lack of response from you, Serc. Are you around or what?

[Eloth]

Shadow, on 15 April 2014 - 04:43 PM, said:

After reading and rereading the thread now. The things that stand out is Denul. He was a middling poster until Alkend started to pressure Serc. Then he exploded into the scene. While there was talk about scum having more then one member there was absolutely no talk from anyone about there being paired killers until Denul brought it up. I think that was a slip up. Yes I know there are a bunch of potential sympage things going on with Serc. I like Denul for being scum.


Vote Denul

Ok, talk about cross-posting this game... Back to 4 votes each. Where did Denul bring up paired killers? I had to skim some of the longer Denul posts during my reread.

[Serc]

Eloth, on 15 April 2014 - 04:46 PM, said:

Serc, on 15 April 2014 - 04:13 PM, said:

I will laugh so hard if I get to SH and there is, in fact only a killer.

As someone unfamiliar with Pratchett's work, was there any meaning to MO's eeking and ooking, or were those just generic monkey noises?

Is this all you are going to say about the discussion surrounding you? I assumed you would have some sort of analysis or rebuttal. With Denul's vote, he's pushed the lynch in your favor over his own - 4 votes Serc, 3 votes Denul now, if I'm not mistaken. We need what, 9 to lynch? And only like 5 hours left on the clock. Depending on who shows up (and who doesn't - Alk basically said he isn't moving his vote), we may have problems with numbers. But it's going to be interesting if Denul's vote is what swings the lynch away from him onto you.

Right now I'm inclined to vote Serc - I'm hoping it will clear up things with Denul, in addition to all of the signalling confusion. I also don't like the lack of response from you, Serc. Are you around or what?

I'm @ work, and following the thread sporadically-right now I'm on my lunch break.

the whole "he said-she said" thing Alk and Denul have going on makes me dizzy. from where I'm standing, people are obviously reading way too much into my early game comments, but who's doing it out of scumminess and who's doing it out of sheer paranoia it's hard to tell. fwiw, I'd wager both of them are inno, but this is gut talking. I'll meed another quick re-read to see if anyone really jumps at me.

[Denul]

Shadow, on 15 April 2014 - 04:43 PM, said:

After reading and rereading the thread now. The things that stand out is Denul. He was a middling poster until Alkend started to pressure Serc. Then he exploded into the scene. While there was talk about scum having more then one member there was absolutely no talk from anyone about there being paired killers until Denul brought it up. I think that was a slip up. Yes I know there are a bunch of potential sympage things going on with Serc. I like Denul for being scum.


Vote Denul

Oh god you really were serious... look Shadow, that post about being half of the predator Kenshiro was a sarcastic joke, sorry.


Also, can you really say that there are middling posters when the game was only three quarters of a (real) day in by that point? People have different schedules and you should at least allow 24 hours before you start to base things off of them. Shin, for example (a safe example since he's modding! wooo meta!), has his busiest schooldays on monday and tuesday, so it's not uncommon at all for him to narrowly avoid a modkill on the first couple days of a game and then jump up his posting frequency.

[Galayn Lord]

And Back! Work was great. now to make me some bacon salad and honey

Before all that some replies and my general thoughts on thread:

Serc, on 15 April 2014 - 04:13 PM, said:

I will laugh so hard if I get to SH and there is, in fact only a killer.

As someone unfamiliar with Pratchett's work, was there any meaning to MO's eeking and ooking, or were those just generic monkey noises?

The Librarian in Terry Pratchet is a monkey. somehow people understand him dispite his ooking and Eeking. He is surprisingly astute and the most hypercritical character in the Discworld series and I hate you for making me explain the best Terry Pratchett impersonation in the mafias yet. Jokes aside I have a few questions for you.

[Shadow]

Eloth, on 15 April 2014 - 04:50 PM, said:

Shadow, on 15 April 2014 - 04:43 PM, said:

After reading and rereading the thread now. The things that stand out is Denul. He was a middling poster until Alkend started to pressure Serc. Then he exploded into the scene. While there was talk about scum having more then one member there was absolutely no talk from anyone about there being paired killers until Denul brought it up. I think that was a slip up. Yes I know there are a bunch of potential sympage things going on with Serc. I like Denul for being scum.


Vote Denul

Ok, talk about cross-posting this game... Back to 4 votes each. Where did Denul bring up paired killers? I had to skim some of the longer Denul posts during my reread.

Here

Denul, on 15 April 2014 - 01:46 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 14 April 2014 - 02:55 PM, said:

Rikkter, on 14 April 2014 - 02:00 PM, said:

Okral Lom, on 14 April 2014 - 01:39 PM, said:

Rikkter, on 14 April 2014 - 01:34 PM, said:

checking in

I was hoping for more like a 7.2 from you...that was barely a 2.9! /terrible earthquake joke

That is a terrible earthquake joke. It's so bad that it gave me tremors.

signalling?

Hey look, someone uses the phrase "terrible earthquake joke" and then someone else replies to it using the exact same phrasing, and tiam questions it as signaling! Rikkter and me must each be half of the predator Kenshiro!

[Lock]

Shadow, you are either not reading the thread as clearly as you might think you are (and your comment on 'some potential symp linkages' suggests that you aren't), or you're wilfully placing a post out of context. Personally, it seems pretty clear to me that that was a non-serious comment. We don't need more things like this muddying up the thread even further.



Edit: Changed 'haven't' to 'aren't'.

This post has been edited by Lock: 15 April 2014 - 05:12 PM

[Lock]

Lock, on 15 April 2014 - 05:11 PM, said:

Shadow, you are either not reading the thread as clearly as you might think you are (and your comment on 'some potential symp linkages' suggests that you aren't), or you're wilfully placing a post out of context. Personally, it seems pretty clear to me that that was a non-serious comment. We don't need more things like this muddying up the thread even further.

Edit: Changed 'haven't' to 'aren't'.

[Lock]

Lol, goddammit. PS, please delete the post above this one. meant to edit and replied instead.

[Serc]

Galayn Lord, on 15 April 2014 - 04:56 PM, said:

And Back! Work was great. now to make me some bacon salad and honey

Before all that some replies and my general thoughts on thread:

Serc, on 15 April 2014 - 04:13 PM, said:

I will laugh so hard if I get to SH and there is, in fact only a killer.

As someone unfamiliar with Pratchett's work, was there any meaning to MO's eeking and ooking, or were those just generic monkey noises?

The Librarian in Terry Pratchet is a monkey. somehow people understand him dispite his ooking and Eeking. He is surprisingly astute and the most hypercritical character in the Discworld series and I hate you for making me explain the best Terry Pratchett impersonation in the mafias yet. Jokes aside I have a few questions for you.

re-reading, brb. ask away.

[Galayn Lord]

Denul, on 15 April 2014 - 03:49 PM, said:

<Snip>

We, and by we I mean the general mafia-playing populace on these forums, ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS think there should be symps in the game. Look at the last game - we day 1 lynched a scum and HE CF'D AS SCUM and we were still arguing for days afterwards that he was actually a symp, or that he was not scum at all, etc etc. And in the end, there were no symps in the game at all.

To use Serc's own example from page 2 or so, Khell's Name of the Rose game was just one lone killer against a dozen RIs, which would normally be extremely unbalanced, and the only way D'rek lasted to the end was because the town spent five striaght days arguing about really flimsy signalling cases.

I don't want to turn this into some sort of the oldies are better mafia players rant or anything, but as things are right now we spend waaaaay too much time arguing about signalling and it is almost always to the detriment of town. When you play mafia in person, you never go on huge hunts for symps, you usually just ignore them but keep your suspicions up, because that's how you get them to reach too far and give away their killer. Jumping onto every single fucking post and calling it a possible signal right away just puts the scum hackles up and they simply won't signal, will sit back and let town witchhunt themselves and come out smelling of rose-scented dicks.

Ok, Yeah for all Denuls hooting and holering this is a really sound statement for Town? Maybe the best I've heard in a couple of games despite it coming from a player I'm struggling to read. We spend too much time trying to assume scum slipped up and in doing so prevent scum doing enough to build a decent case on them.

Any of the more vocal players on here can be scum really. Thanks to town drowning out cases its a huge garbled mess, painful to read through. I had a few ideas for cases but really I'm not going to try straighten all that thread spaghetti. Again I say how about we keep it focused?

Occams Razor has proven invaluable day 1. Simple cases work out. Serc has such a simple case on him. I'd like to address that.

Serc: I want to hear what you thinks about players accusing you. There was that odd speculation that only one Scum existed, based off the OP? I suggested the FotNS lore proved otherwise but also Denul engaged you directly and "corrected" you making his own conclusions from the OP.

I recall your speculation was intended to get scum onto you, exposing themselves? for me, this is a poor excuse for poor posting but giving you the benefit of a doubt Has any such player in your opinion showed up?

Who exactly fits that bill in your opinion?

My vote on you relies on a reply proving your methods, without one, bad speculation is costing town dearly. It led up to all 4 pages of cross arguments. I want to know if it had any substance. you're our best lynch if it didn't.

[Serc]

Galayn Lord, on 15 April 2014 - 05:25 PM, said:

Denul, on 15 April 2014 - 03:49 PM, said:

<Snip>

We, and by we I mean the general mafia-playing populace on these forums, ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS think there should be symps in the game. Look at the last game - we day 1 lynched a scum and HE CF'D AS SCUM and we were still arguing for days afterwards that he was actually a symp, or that he was not scum at all, etc etc. And in the end, there were no symps in the game at all.

To use Serc's own example from page 2 or so, Khell's Name of the Rose game was just one lone killer against a dozen RIs, which would normally be extremely unbalanced, and the only way D'rek lasted to the end was because the town spent five striaght days arguing about really flimsy signalling cases.

I don't want to turn this into some sort of the oldies are better mafia players rant or anything, but as things are right now we spend waaaaay too much time arguing about signalling and it is almost always to the detriment of town. When you play mafia in person, you never go on huge hunts for symps, you usually just ignore them but keep your suspicions up, because that's how you get them to reach too far and give away their killer. Jumping onto every single fucking post and calling it a possible signal right away just puts the scum hackles up and they simply won't signal, will sit back and let town witchhunt themselves and come out smelling of rose-scented dicks.

Ok, Yeah for all Denuls hooting and holering this is a really sound statement for Town? Maybe the best I've heard in a couple of games despite it coming from a player I'm struggling to read. We spend too much time trying to assume scum slipped up and in doing so prevent scum doing enough to build a decent case on them.

Any of the more vocal players on here can be scum really. Thanks to town drowning out cases its a huge garbled mess, painful to read through. I had a few ideas for cases but really I'm not going to try straighten all that thread spaghetti. Again I say how about we keep it focused?

Occams Razor has proven invaluable day 1. Simple cases work out. Serc has such a simple case on him. I'd like to address that.

Serc: I want to hear what you thinks about players accusing you. There was that odd speculation that only one Scum existed, based off the OP? I suggested the FotNS lore proved otherwise but also Denul engaged you directly and "corrected" you making his own conclusions from the OP.

I recall your speculation was intended to get scum onto you, exposing themselves? for me, this is a poor excuse for poor posting but giving you the benefit of a doubt Has any such player in your opinion showed up?

Who exactly fits that bill in your opinion?

My vote on you relies on a reply proving your methods, without one, bad speculation is costing town dearly. It led up to all 4 pages of cross arguments. I want to know if it had any substance. you're our best lynch if it didn't.

Player accusing me--Alkend, mostly. He is eager, but accepts his mistakes (see the lasty page of him and Denul). don't get a scum vibe.

Brown Bear (the T'lann Imass names are confusing): he latched on to me after Korabas allegedly symped me. That is a much weaker argument, imo. given how much joking around he did before, it's suspicious. Day 1 gut, but that's where I'd look-he suddenly got super-serious and started to actively push for some pretty weak cases.

Denul-he's defending me, and himself. Not doing a great job-he brings a lot of attention to himself, and then votes me, so as to "sever" any ties. it'd make some sense if I was to CF scum, but I'm not. For the rest of you, you can try "testing him" by lynching me, but me, knowing how I'll CF, I can't really say one way or the other.




As for "me attracting scum to myself"-that is a motive that was attributed to me, one that I denied. I was honest-my motive for that post was Day 1 Monday laziness, and basically asking someone who read the wiki provided to point out if there are any "scum"-sounding roles in the FotNS lore.

wrt to "has anyone showed up?"-although I didn't intent to bait anyone, Brown Bear's involvement strikes me as odd. I'd also like to vote Kesso, but that's cuz he only posted once, and in math at that.

[Ampelas]

Back and catching up

(lame post I know)