[Tiamatha]

actually, fuck this, its a Friday evening, its Shadow

vote shadow

[Galayn Lord]

Shadow, on 25 April 2014 - 04:29 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 25 April 2014 - 04:18 PM, said:

Shadow, on 25 April 2014 - 03:16 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 25 April 2014 - 03:01 PM, said:

Yeah shadow im gonna highlight my miss of two lynches? This and the previous one. And as for directing a lynch i have not shifted candidates. Just explored connections.

Denuls reveal takes him off my top 3 and shifts you in as my lead scum candidate. Pretty sure lock shifted to you at the end and while id stepped back from you previously my certainty of denul as town sets you as the scummiest player left with eloth and maybe now tiam sliding in third for symp.

I was always sure one of you two would be scum and now i know shadows entire game has been an attempt to get denul lynched.

Of course you know the exact number of missed lynches. Because that was premeditated. I do it myself when I am scum.

So first im scum to be on every lynch then im scum because i know i wasn't?

This is the kind of misreads you used to cast doubt on denul. If you werent voting eloth id suspect you were trying to make me look bad and i cant see why im so high on your list apart from thinking you scummy.

You and Eloth are on my list because of your lynch behavior. However if you look at my last post you can see that there is someone who has been on every single lynch. In regards to your and Eloth lynch behavior. I have pulled that same kind of on and off lynches as both a symp and as a killer it is a viable strategy that can keep people off there for it is a strategy that I look for. All things being equal I think your scummy because you have done scummy things. However Okral has done more scummy things so now he is higher on my list.

What the actual..What?

Scummy things are what you've done best all game but then you go on to actually blame Three other people for being significantly less scummy than you(?).

You actually supported scummy play in general. You said you generally play scummy and yet blame others for seeming scummy for trying to keep town lynching, something town are supposed to do. something you disregarded entirely to keep pressure on Denul (??).


I don't even know what you're getting at here. Surely the reason you now find me scummy is the opposite of why you find OL scummy (???) I'm not sure you're thinking your posts through here.

In what looks like a really confused attempt at a case this time I'm not annoyed that you looked at me and Eloth as a sole pair, you really just highlighted how divergent mine and Eloths activity has been. I have more linking me to atleast two other players IMO but thats besides the point. Lynch analysis focuses on who avoids the lynch and who swings the lynch. Thats where the smart people look. Whether or not two players are on or off a lynch train is exactly what scum wants us to discuss because it leads to a ton of WIFOM.

I'm sorry but you have my vote, largely because the above just highlights why we should have lynched you earlier and instead of Rikkter.

Vote Shadow

[Shadow]

Galayn Lord, on 25 April 2014 - 05:34 PM, said:

Shadow, on 25 April 2014 - 04:29 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 25 April 2014 - 04:18 PM, said:

Shadow, on 25 April 2014 - 03:16 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 25 April 2014 - 03:01 PM, said:

Yeah shadow im gonna highlight my miss of two lynches? This and the previous one. And as for directing a lynch i have not shifted candidates. Just explored connections.

Denuls reveal takes him off my top 3 and shifts you in as my lead scum candidate. Pretty sure lock shifted to you at the end and while id stepped back from you previously my certainty of denul as town sets you as the scummiest player left with eloth and maybe now tiam sliding in third for symp.

I was always sure one of you two would be scum and now i know shadows entire game has been an attempt to get denul lynched.

Of course you know the exact number of missed lynches. Because that was premeditated. I do it myself when I am scum.

So first im scum to be on every lynch then im scum because i know i wasn't?

This is the kind of misreads you used to cast doubt on denul. If you werent voting eloth id suspect you were trying to make me look bad and i cant see why im so high on your list apart from thinking you scummy.

You and Eloth are on my list because of your lynch behavior. However if you look at my last post you can see that there is someone who has been on every single lynch. In regards to your and Eloth lynch behavior. I have pulled that same kind of on and off lynches as both a symp and as a killer it is a viable strategy that can keep people off there for it is a strategy that I look for. All things being equal I think your scummy because you have done scummy things. However Okral has done more scummy things so now he is higher on my list.

What the actual..What?

Scummy things are what you've done best all game but then you go on to actually blame Three other people for being significantly less scummy than you(?).

You actually supported scummy play in general. You said you generally play scummy and yet blame others for seeming scummy for trying to keep town lynching, something town are supposed to do. something you disregarded entirely to keep pressure on Denul (??).

I don't even know what you're getting at here. Surely the reason you now find me scummy is the opposite of why you find OL scummy (???) I'm not sure you're thinking your posts through here.

In what looks like a really confused attempt at a case this time I'm not annoyed that you looked at me and Eloth as a sole pair, you really just highlighted how divergent mine and Eloths activity has been. I have more linking me to atleast two other players IMO but thats besides the point. Lynch analysis focuses on who avoids the lynch and who swings the lynch. Thats where the smart people look. Whether or not two players are on or off a lynch train is exactly what scum wants us to discuss because it leads to a ton of WIFOM.

I'm sorry but you have my vote, largely because the above just highlights why we should have lynched you earlier and instead of Rikkter.

Vote Shadow

I told you too. Don't be mad at me because you don't listen to reason. But when I get to SH and Okral is scum then I will laugh as town loses yet again....Yawn...

[Shadow]

Tiamatha, on 25 April 2014 - 04:46 PM, said:

Shadow, you're acting like a monkey flinging shit, trying to see what will stick. Is there a case on Bek coming as well?

No why would there be he has been on and off lynches with out any corrilation. While GL and Eloth made a very good attempt to be on and off trains and then Okarl has been on every one.

[Shadow]

Okral Lom, on 25 April 2014 - 04:35 PM, said:

Shadow, on 25 April 2014 - 04:26 PM, said:

Here is every single lynch or time out. I have included GL's vote on me yesterday which PS missed in his write up. It didn't matter as the day timed out but shows that GL was on a train.

<snip>

I originally started off seeing the pattern of GL and ELoth being on and off trains. But as I look everything over the other person who jumps out is Olar. In fact Okral hasn't seen a lynch train that he hasn't liked all game. Beks would also qualify for being on and of trains. While I think that GL and Eloth lynch behavior is suspcious. After looking at the lynches I feel that Okral is probably scum. He is at least a symp but could be a killer.

Remove vote

Vote Okral Lom

I've been operating under a strict "lynch is better than no lynch" policy this game, so when the days get short I've been happy to switch. You'll notice I'm always near the back end of the train, and that's because several times I've had to switch in the last couple of hours from my preferred target in order to (try to) get a lynch. Feel free to go and find my votes if you don't believe me .

Your votes are very well placed I agree. Placed just after a person becomes the only lynch target for the day, you have done such a good job of not drawing attention to your self that I didn't even notice you on my first go through. In fact you only jumped out when I was looking at GL and Eloth.

I am sorely tempted to make symp like comments so that people will discount what little work that I have done. But that would be strictly against playing for my team. As I am not Khell I shall refrain from doing that. I am town I will CF as RI and I am not a symp. After I am dead and the night kill (most likely Denul unless there is a healer out there) You will be left with 6 players. I believe that there are two scum if not then my lynch will give the game to town. I refuse to take blame for this loss as it would be you guys voting for me. When you could have gotten rid of me much earlier in the game and not been in this situation. But good luck with the speed lynch.

[Okral Lom]

Shadow, on 25 April 2014 - 05:48 PM, said:

Your votes are very well placed I agree. Placed just after a person becomes the only lynch target for the day, you have done such a good job of not drawing attention to your self that I didn't even notice you on my first go through. In fact you only jumped out when I was looking at GL and Eloth.

I am sorely tempted to make symp like comments so that people will discount what little work that I have done. But that would be strictly against playing for my team. As I am not Khell I shall refrain from doing that. I am town I will CF as RI and I am not a symp. After I am dead and the night kill (most likely Denul unless there is a healer out there) You will be left with 6 players. I believe that there are two scum if not then my lynch will give the game to town. I refuse to take blame for this loss as it would be you guys voting for me. When you could have gotten rid of me much earlier in the game and not been in this situation. But good luck with the speed lynch.

There are 7 players left, not 8...or did you miss our no-lynch yesterday? And who said anything about a speed-lynch? Neither Eloth nor BO have said anything of substance yet today, it's hardly a time for rushing to conclusions.

(Although the lack of vote runs does make me think that perhaps we're in the clear about today being D-Day, which would be nice).

[Denul]

Tiamatha, on 25 April 2014 - 04:55 PM, said:

actually, fuck this, its a Friday evening, its Shadow

vote shadow

Despite my reservations about you, I'm inclined to agree. If Shadow wants to get lynched this badly today, I'm happy to oblige. I can't see a townie or Kenshiro going quite this crazy, so I guess he might be an exploding symp or something like that. Given how close to D-Day it is, lynching a symp is an okay move. And if he does turn out to be town well he deserves to lose us the game for his behaviour and let it be a lesson to the future.

[Okral Lom]

Okral Lom, on 25 April 2014 - 05:53 PM, said:

There are 7 players left, not 8...or did you miss our no-lynch yesterday? And who said anything about a speed-lynch? Neither Eloth nor BO have said anything of substance yet today, it's hardly a time for rushing to conclusions.

(Although the lack of vote runs does make me think that perhaps we're in the clear about today being D-Day, which would be nice).

I don't know what I was thinking when I added that bit in parentheses given that just minutes before there had been two votes dropped in quick succession. Long day at work, I guess.

Anyway, as I intimate above I would like to hear from Eloth and BO before rushing into anything.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 6

The timer is FROZEN with 19 hours left in the day.

7 players are left alive.
4 votes needed to lynch.

Bek Okhan, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Okral Lom, Shadow, Tiamatha

Votes:

1 vote Okral Lom: Shadow
2 votes Shadow: Tiam, Galayn Lord


Players not voting.

Bek Okhan, Denul, Eloth, Okral Lom

[Shadow]

Denul, on 25 April 2014 - 09:01 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 25 April 2014 - 04:55 PM, said:

actually, fuck this, its a Friday evening, its Shadow

vote shadow

Despite my reservations about you, I'm inclined to agree. If Shadow wants to get lynched this badly today, I'm happy to oblige. I can't see a townie or Kenshiro going quite this crazy, so I guess he might be an exploding symp or something like that. Given how close to D-Day it is, lynching a symp is an okay move. And if he does turn out to be town well he deserves to lose us the game for his behaviour and let it be a lesson to the future.

Out of curiosity are you the same fucktard who refused to believe that khell would just fuck off last game? Cause if you are then you should probably reevaluate what your believes are. You deserve to lose the game. I told you how this was going to play out 2 days ago. I fucking begged you to lynch me then as town if you are too fucking stupid to see the writing on the wall then you deserve to lose. Don't blame that shit on me mr I have do much time to play I can post 100+ fucking posts, but you can't see that scum was setting me up to be the end of game lynch. Please. Of course they were and you know what I knew it and helped any way. Why do you think I kept voting for you. Because it is just a scummy enough move to keep me as a lunch target. Okarl is most likely a symp or half of a paired killer team. The other half is either gl, eloth or tiam. If it is beks he is super cool.

Get you ass lout of your head for once and put shit together. Olar started building cases on me days ago and has built one every single day. But then there is just not enough to lunch me but enough to keep everyone mentioning me and not them because they are building g cases like a good retarded towny. When the fuck are you going to get over that. Scum want to look like the best townies there are. There are times when you engage that peanut you call a brain let now be one of those times. Also your a moron for not lunching me when I told you too. That is directed at town .

[Shadow]

???, on 26 April 2014 - 02:29 AM, said:

Sorry about missing the lynch yesterday, I had hoped to be back to drop a vote before I left for the weekend, but it didn't happen.

Firstly, GL, fuck you, I built a case on Tiam, and then asked people look at it twice, and no one was interested.

In terms of suspicions, Tiam is still at the top, for reasons I've already discussed elsewhere.

Shadow is a close second, but his behaviour so far this day makes me think symp more than killer. I'd need a better re-read to figure out who seems to be distracting from.

I have very little read on Eloth.

Galayn has generally been helpful, and his posts seem well-considered.

I've tended to agree with OL, and that may be influencing my thoughts on him, but I get a townie vibe from him, and if he's scum he's played a perfect game.

Denul's reveal seems to check out, and he's dropped to the bottom of my list.

Arrgggg get your shit together log out and back in alt. Then question your beliefs olar and gl have done nothing to deserve a town feel don't fall for it.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 26 April 2014 - 06:45 AM

[Shadow]

Even money says Okarl hammers me for the win.

[Path-Shaper]

Naked player was naked. Think only Shadow saw. This was their post.

Bek Okhan, on 26 April 2014 - 02:29 AM, said:

Sorry about missing the lynch yesterday, I had hoped to be back to drop a vote before I left for the weekend, but it didn't happen.

Firstly, GL, fuck you, I built a case on Tiam, and then asked people look at it twice, and no one was interested.

In terms of suspicions, Tiam is still at the top, for reasons I've already discussed elsewhere.

Shadow is a close second, but his behaviour so far this day makes me think symp more than killer. I'd need a better re-read to figure out who seems to be distracting from.

I have very little read on Eloth.

Galayn has generally been helpful, and his posts seem well-considered.

I've tended to agree with OL, and that may be influencing my thoughts on him, but I get a townie vibe from him, and if he's scum he's played a perfect game.

Denul's reveal seems to check out, and he's dropped to the bottom of my list.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 26 April 2014 - 06:43 AM

[Shadow]

So I gave been asking myself whom ol could be symping if he is a symp and the only person who I can see is Tiam. tiam has been at the top of the suspect list all game and yet he has never had a train built on him. If there are two symps as people suspect then they have been doing a good job of keeping the lynch off of tiam. I think that ol is symping tiam and that tiam is scum.

remove vote

Vote tiam

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 6

The timer is FROZEN with 19 hours left in the day.

7 players are left alive.
4 votes needed to lynch.

Bek Okhan, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Okral Lom, Shadow, Tiamatha

Votes:

2 votes Shadow: Tiam, Galayn Lord
1 vote Tiam: Shadow


Players not voting.

Bek Okhan, Denul, Eloth, Okral Lom

[Tiamatha]

I thought OL was a killer paired with me shadow


you really need to make your mind up. My vote stays, he's been going batshit today (gameday) and has been consistently scummy.



also, fuck Mourinho and his anti football, you accussed alardyce of the same tactics back in Jan you smug shitbag

[Bek Okhan]

So, I've re-read Shadow's posts, and they are interesting. He has tended to be fairly absent, just popping in and out with short posts. The exceptions to this trend are this day, and just after Ruse's lynch/Alkend's death, when he wrote the list of people who couldn't have changed their vote. That's fine, it's normal to post more when you have a theory and people are talking about it. What does stand out though, is that Shadow generally has a target and sticks to it, to the extent that he kept bringing up Denul as a possible lynch target. However, over this last day Shadow has voted Eloth, then Okral Lom, then Tiam. He's also pointed fingers at GL. This is a marked departure from his normal play so far, and I think that is what has people suggesting he is trying to distract from someone.

What bothers me most about Shadow's play today is the fact that he is basing everything off lynch trains. At this stage of the game there is so much information out there to back up cases, but Shadow looks at nothing of what has been said at all, his accusations against Okral, Eloth and Galayn have been purely about voting behaviour. And this leads to another problem; he says that consistently being on the longest lynch train (in the case of Okral) is scummy, but he also says that missing lynches (in the case of Galayn and Eloth) is scummy because that could be premeditated. He also doesn't say why being consistently on the longest train is scummy. It is in town's best interests to get lynches, because that is what gives us the most information, and while it's definitely unusual for someone to be consistently on the longest train, I don't think it's particularly scummy. Especially because, if nothing else, it is likely to bring attention to that player, which scum generally tries to avoid.

Finally, Shadow's language over the course of the last day has been increasingly hyperbolic. It's now at the point of "just you wait, I'll be saying I told you so in SH" and "I'm not taking any blame for this town loss", as if the game was already over. His prediction that OL will be the hammer that ends the game is particularly absurd because he is still at L-2.

On the basis of the idea that Shadow is going mental in order to distract from someone else, I had a look back at the last couple of pages. There isn't really anyone that stands out from today, because Denul revealed, and then Shadow wandered in and started throwing shit, so there wasn't a lot of town suspicion that wasn't directed at Shadow. Based on the previous day's vote trains, I thought it possible that he was distracting from Tiam, but his vote for Tiam has put a dent in that theory. So at this stage, if Shadow is a symp, I suspect he is trying to distract from Galayn, because he mentioned Galayn in conjunction with Eloth, but didn't vote for him, and has since left off that line of reasoning altogether. It's a flimsy idea, especially because GL hasn't had a lot of exposure all game, but it's the only explanation I have for Shadow going off the rails.

In any event, I am more than happy to vote for Shadow, but I'm going to leave off voting until closer to timeout, and look at some other people.

[Bek Okhan]

Okay, review of Galayn.

As has been said several times before, GL posts infrequently but with a lot of content. We've had cases against Ruse and Shadow, consideration of voting trains, lots of relevant and interesting questions. He gives good reasoning for his votes. From my reading I don't particularly find that he has been trying to direct lynches, probably a lot due to the fact that he just isn't on thread often enough to have that much effect on the voting. He's been fairly consistent about his suspicions of Shadow and Denul, but willing to change his vote for the lynch.

Equally as importantly, he discusses potential symp roles, is the first to suggest lynching Korabas, wasn't around following Korabas' reveal, and actually votes Korabas, towards the middle of the train.

So, to summarise, either he is the most townie scum I've ever seen, or he is legitimately town. I'm leaning towards town.

[Okral Lom]

Bek Okhan, on 28 April 2014 - 09:16 AM, said:

Okay, review of Galayn.

As has been said several times before, GL posts infrequently but with a lot of content. We've had cases against Ruse and Shadow, consideration of voting trains, lots of relevant and interesting questions. He gives good reasoning for his votes. From my reading I don't particularly find that he has been trying to direct lynches, probably a lot due to the fact that he just isn't on thread often enough to have that much effect on the voting. He's been fairly consistent about his suspicions of Shadow and Denul, but willing to change his vote for the lynch.

Equally as importantly, he discusses potential symp roles, is the first to suggest lynching Korabas, wasn't around following Korabas' reveal, and actually votes Korabas, towards the middle of the train.

So, to summarise, either he is the most townie scum I've ever seen, or he is legitimately town. I'm leaning towards town.

What was your opinion of GL's reaction to my idle speculation about that post of Denul's? Am I imagining it, or was it a bit of a disproportionate response?

[Bek Okhan]

Had a look at Eloth. He's not around a lot, but when he is around he asks a lot of questions and pushes buttons. He has a couple of interesting interactions with OL, Amp, and Lock. There isn't anything there that screams scum or town, but he is generally consistent in his voting and the times he is around. Again, I'm not really seeing the basis for the accusations that he is trying to direct the end of the game.