[Denul]

This sounds like a big ol' fake reveal meant to cause sudden chaos and deflection on-thread away from someone who was starting to garner heat, IMO.

[Denul]

Korabas, on 18 April 2014 - 12:26 AM, said:

Lock, on 18 April 2014 - 12:14 AM, said:

What Eloth said. Add to that that at one point you call it 'one' guard and others you imply you can use it indefinitely until another warlord pops their clogs.

Yeah a BP is more accurate. In fact, reading over the ability, it actually says that it is a bullet proof, not a guard. That's me being a nub. The move is called Dextrocardia Situs Inversus; I can't make that sort of shit up. The actual role keeps me from getting NK'd so long as there are other warlords alive. I only had to use it once, hence the 'one'. I get nothing from stringing town along. If you need to lynch me to feel better, go ahead. It's not a bad call at this point. I'm just letting you all know whats going on over on my end. That's it.


Anyone still making this the centre of discussion should be considered later in game. I'm willing to bet there's a scum in here somewhere.

Korabas, you need to stop and explain exactly - and I mean EXACTLY - how your ability works, okay? You've said a whole lot of random tidbits about it, some of them being very contradictory. Don't just keep throwing out little factoids like the name and shit. Stop, take a deep breath, and then right up one definitive explanation that sticks to the facts and contains all the pertinent data.

[Korabas]

Nah by keeping quiet I would be lynched by town without relaying any useful information. I wouldn't blame them if they did, and I won't if they do. At least this way you have some information to work with on top of my reveal-that-should-not-have-been.

As it is we should watch those claiming my reveal is fake. There's no reason to do so, as we will all see when I'm lynched. The only real, and logical case against me is to deny the VC. Anything more than that is suspicious.

[Bek Okhan]

I can see PS taking abilities away for revealing on thread (although I had read it as no revealing of identity, meaning name, as well), but I can't really see him giving you new ones half way through the game. Particularly one that makes you pretty much invincible (albeit contingent on other people being alive).

[Bek Okhan]

Korabas, on 18 April 2014 - 12:26 AM, said:

Lock, on 18 April 2014 - 12:14 AM, said:

What Eloth said. Add to that that at one point you call it 'one' guard and others you imply you can use it indefinitely until another warlord pops their clogs.

Yeah a BP is more accurate. In fact, reading over the ability, it actually says that it is a bullet proof, not a guard. That's me being a nub. The move is called Dextrocardia Situs Inversus; I can't make that sort of shit up. The actual role keeps me from getting NK'd so long as there are other warlords alive. I only had to use it once, hence the 'one'. I get nothing from stringing town along. If you need to lynch me to feel better, go ahead. It's not a bad call at this point. I'm just letting you all know whats going on over on my end. That's it.

Anyone still making this the centre of discussion should be considered later in game. I'm willing to bet there's a scum in here somewhere.

Also, this name doesn't really fit with the theme of the game. It's a condition where the organs are on the other side of the body to where they are usually found.

[Korabas]

Denul, on 18 April 2014 - 12:47 AM, said:

Korabas, on 18 April 2014 - 12:26 AM, said:

Lock, on 18 April 2014 - 12:14 AM, said:

What Eloth said. Add to that that at one point you call it 'one' guard and others you imply you can use it indefinitely until another warlord pops their clogs.

Yeah a BP is more accurate. In fact, reading over the ability, it actually says that it is a bullet proof, not a guard. That's me being a nub. The move is called Dextrocardia Situs Inversus; I can't make that sort of shit up. The actual role keeps me from getting NK'd so long as there are other warlords alive. I only had to use it once, hence the 'one'. I get nothing from stringing town along. If you need to lynch me to feel better, go ahead. It's not a bad call at this point. I'm just letting you all know whats going on over on my end. That's it.

Anyone still making this the centre of discussion should be considered later in game. I'm willing to bet there's a scum in here somewhere.

Korabas, you need to stop and explain exactly - and I mean EXACTLY - how your ability works, okay? You've said a whole lot of random tidbits about it, some of them being very contradictory. Don't just keep throwing out little factoids like the name and shit. Stop, take a deep breath, and then right up one definitive explanation that sticks to the facts and contains all the pertinent data.

Are you kidding me. Fuck, the quote you got is as close to quoting the godamn role message as I could get.

My previous ability: Activates for two nights. If I am killed by Night action, it announces on thread who killed me. This was taken away from me, as I revealed in order for scum to deliberately attack. I broke the rules.

NEW ability: If there are no warlords dead, I become "bullet proof from kill attempts". If a warlord has died, and I use the ability, then I die. This makes me question whether or not warlords will even be revealed on thread after death, otherwise why would anyone use it after another warlord has died?


Are you with me here? This is as clear as it gets.

[Korabas]

Bek Okhan, on 18 April 2014 - 12:50 AM, said:

I can see PS taking abilities away for revealing on thread (although I had read it as no revealing of identity, meaning name, as well), but I can't really see him giving you new ones half way through the game. Particularly one that makes you pretty much invincible (albeit contingent on other people being alive).

I'm thinking it was because my lynch is almost required at this point, especially after my reveal. Sure, I get to live through nights. But how many days do I have when warlords, once revealed, need to be lynched to deny the VC?

[Denul]

That's not very clear at all. Sounds like total bullshit to me. No linkage from one ability to the other, either. Thematically, the second ability is the one you would have had from the get go if you really were who you think you are.

I think this is just a dumb distraction by a symp or symp-like scum role. Tiam seems to me to be the one who was starting to get the most pressure that this could be a deflection from, so:

Vote Tiam

[Korabas]

Bek Okhan, on 18 April 2014 - 12:53 AM, said:

Korabas, on 18 April 2014 - 12:26 AM, said:

Lock, on 18 April 2014 - 12:14 AM, said:

What Eloth said. Add to that that at one point you call it 'one' guard and others you imply you can use it indefinitely until another warlord pops their clogs.

Yeah a BP is more accurate. In fact, reading over the ability, it actually says that it is a bullet proof, not a guard. That's me being a nub. The move is called Dextrocardia Situs Inversus; I can't make that sort of shit up. The actual role keeps me from getting NK'd so long as there are other warlords alive. I only had to use it once, hence the 'one'. I get nothing from stringing town along. If you need to lynch me to feel better, go ahead. It's not a bad call at this point. I'm just letting you all know whats going on over on my end. That's it.

Anyone still making this the centre of discussion should be considered later in game. I'm willing to bet there's a scum in here somewhere.

Also, this name doesn't really fit with the theme of the game. It's a condition where the organs are on the other side of the body to where they are usually found.

Pressure points are reversed = safe, I guess. I'm no doctor.

[Korabas]

Denul, on 18 April 2014 - 01:00 AM, said:

That's not very clear at all. Sounds like total bullshit to me. No linkage from one ability to the other, either. Thematically, the second ability is the one you would have had from the get go if you really were who you think you are.

I think this is just a dumb distraction by a symp or symp-like scum role. Tiam seems to me to be the one who was starting to get the most pressure that this could be a deflection from, so:

Vote Tiam

SURE WHY NOT!

vote Tiam

[Korabas]

I'd vote for myself but I have too much damned self-confidence!

[Kessobahn]

Lock, on 18 April 2014 - 12:07 AM, said:

I have to say it's aard one to swallow. On the other hand I can't think of a clear reason as to what you would gain by making this up.

Denul, on 18 April 2014 - 12:44 AM, said:

This sounds like a big ol' fake reveal meant to cause sudden chaos and deflection on-thread away from someone who was starting to garner heat, IMO.

And there's the rub. The original reveal served zero purpose. Seemingly. The only possible lynch choice at that time was Ruse. There was no way even a reveal was going to swing a vote elsewhere.

[Kessobahn]

Eloth, on 18 April 2014 - 12:03 AM, said:

Ok, read up as fast as possible, here are my thoughts until I can make it back in a few hours.

The reveal was a terrible idea, as was the consensus; it's even worse because now Korabas is claiming it was a fake reveal and is now revealing AGAIN saying he has (or had) all of these abilities. I guess some people never learn.

Some quotes that caught my eye -

Kessobahn, on 17 April 2014 - 08:42 PM, said:

You're all such silly dragons. Since when does time mean anything to immortal creatures? And you warrens? Don't even get me started; you exist outside of time and space entirely.

Posting time cases are soooo 2012.

Kessobahn, on 17 April 2014 - 08:44 PM, said:

Seriously: raise your claw, paw, or other appendage if you've never taken your phone to the shitter with you.

I thought this was kind of an odd pair of posts. I don't know, it's obviously not serious, but it just strikes me as out of place in the midst of a lot of discussion. And yeah, we all take our phones to the shitter.

Yeah, I was feeling silly right about then. But the conversation going on was all about who was online, who wasn't, posting times, etc.

The days of making post timing cases are pretty much over.

[Okral Lom]

Bek Okhan, on 18 April 2014 - 12:53 AM, said:

Korabas, on 18 April 2014 - 12:26 AM, said:

Lock, on 18 April 2014 - 12:14 AM, said:

What Eloth said. Add to that that at one point you call it 'one' guard and others you imply you can use it indefinitely until another warlord pops their clogs.

Yeah a BP is more accurate. In fact, reading over the ability, it actually says that it is a bullet proof, not a guard. That's me being a nub. The move is called Dextrocardia Situs Inversus; I can't make that sort of shit up. The actual role keeps me from getting NK'd so long as there are other warlords alive. I only had to use it once, hence the 'one'. I get nothing from stringing town along. If you need to lynch me to feel better, go ahead. It's not a bad call at this point. I'm just letting you all know whats going on over on my end. That's it.

Anyone still making this the centre of discussion should be considered later in game. I'm willing to bet there's a scum in here somewhere.

Also, this name doesn't really fit with the theme of the game. It's a condition where the organs are on the other side of the body to where they are usually found.

To be honest, that sounds pretty plausible to me - someone tries to hit you in the heart when they attack, but miss because it's not where they thought it was. Or something like that.

I don't like the way Korabas is trying to tar the names of those who question him, but I do find his reveal plausible. Going to have a look around and see if there's anything else to act as a counterpoint to the Tiam case. Not saying I don't think that's a good case, but there need to be multiple options on the table.

[Rikkter]

I want lynch Korabas for all this goofiness and I have to go to bed in a minute

[Denul]

Okral Lom, on 18 April 2014 - 01:16 AM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 18 April 2014 - 12:53 AM, said:

Korabas, on 18 April 2014 - 12:26 AM, said:

Lock, on 18 April 2014 - 12:14 AM, said:

What Eloth said. Add to that that at one point you call it 'one' guard and others you imply you can use it indefinitely until another warlord pops their clogs.

Yeah a BP is more accurate. In fact, reading over the ability, it actually says that it is a bullet proof, not a guard. That's me being a nub. The move is called Dextrocardia Situs Inversus; I can't make that sort of shit up. The actual role keeps me from getting NK'd so long as there are other warlords alive. I only had to use it once, hence the 'one'. I get nothing from stringing town along. If you need to lynch me to feel better, go ahead. It's not a bad call at this point. I'm just letting you all know whats going on over on my end. That's it.

Anyone still making this the centre of discussion should be considered later in game. I'm willing to bet there's a scum in here somewhere.

Also, this name doesn't really fit with the theme of the game. It's a condition where the organs are on the other side of the body to where they are usually found.

To be honest, that sounds pretty plausible to me - someone tries to hit you in the heart when they attack, but miss because it's not where they thought it was. Or something like that.

I don't like the way Korabas is trying to tar the names of those who question him, but I do find his reveal plausible. Going to have a look around and see if there's anything else to act as a counterpoint to the Tiam case. Not saying I don't think that's a good case, but there need to be multiple options on the table.

It's abstractly plausible. Korabas is basically trying to hint that he is Souther, one of the gangleaders, who has Dextrocardia. But in the manga its called Emperor's Armor and I think if Shin had included it it would be called that. Furthermore, based on how it plays out in the manga it would really just be a single BP, not some weird toggle BP that kills you if the other warlords are dead.

[Rikkter]

I'm done

I think a no lynch may be OK in this case if it has to be

vote Korabas
For reveal situation - timing & inconsistence

[Denul]

Basically, the theming of Korabas reveal is fine but I think he just looked it up on Wikipedia. The way he expressed it and the supposed ability itself doesn't make sense to me either by fitting into the "variations of standard roles" of the game or in how Korabas explained it. Plus it sounds to me like he received a better ability by revealing against the rules than he already had? Why in the hell would the mods reward him like that for breaking the rules?

[Korabas]

Denul, on 18 April 2014 - 02:17 AM, said:

Basically, the theming of Korabas reveal is fine but I think he just looked it up on Wikipedia. The way he expressed it and the supposed ability itself doesn't make sense to me either by fitting into the "variations of standard roles" of the game or in how Korabas explained it. Plus it sounds to me like he received a better ability by revealing against the rules than he already had? Why in the hell would the mods reward him like that for breaking the rules?

Seems like a skill catered specifically to my whole reveal fiasco. Also, you really think I looked up some random manga skill move to make up a role? I wish I had that kind of determination, really. Do as you will, I've given you all I can. Now you waste the threads time by sticking to your tired argument. Either vote for me to avoid the VC in the long run, or vote on someone who you actually think is scum.

[Okral Lom]

OK, so I'm not the first to be poking Shadow, but having read back through his posts there really is a lot of behaviour that sticks out as strange and unusual. It's often as though he feels like he does stuff that is trying to fit in but doesn't quite manage it properly.

Day 1:

Shadow, on 15 April 2014 - 03:06 PM, said:

I am here and getting caught up. Looks like Denul and Serc are drawing the heat. I will take a look in a bit and see who was attempting to symp whom.

Not "see if anyone was symping", but "see who was symping whom". Shadow has somehow come to the conclusion that there must be some symping going on without having read anything. A scum in this position would be quite happy with two candidates - he can pick one and ride it to a lynch safely without getting in the crossfire. It is in their interest to perpetuate this status and keep the focus on those two. The way he tries to put more certainty on the situation than he has the information to give suggests that he's trying to keep things that way.

Next, he goes and finds a pretty irrelevant post of Denul's and tries to twist into something to beat him over the head with and further the lynch:

Shadow, on 15 April 2014 - 03:36 PM, said:

Denul, on 15 April 2014 - 01:46 PM, said:

Hey look, someone uses the phrase "terrible earthquake joke" and then someone else replies to it using the exact same phrasing, and tiam questions it as signaling! Rikkter and me must each be half of the predator Kenshiro!

Why would you suggest that there are paired killers in the game? That just seems like a slip up to me.

Shadow wants to fit in with the Day 1 crowd and give the semblance of contributing, but he's reaching considerably here and nobody gives him the time of day (and rightly so).

Here is his Day 1 vote. It was on Denul and at the time tied things up at 4 votes each. By keeping things he makes it more likely that he can angle for piling on the one that doesn't get lynched the next day.

Shadow, on 15 April 2014 - 04:43 PM, said:

After reading and rereading the thread now. The things that stand out is Denul. He was a middling poster until Alkend started to pressure Serc. Then he exploded into the scene. While there was talk about scum having more then one member there was absolutely no talk from anyone about there being paired killers until Denul brought it up. I think that was a slip up. Yes I know there are a bunch of potential sympage things going on with Serc. I like Denul for being scum.

Vote Denul

Once again he's fixated on the piece of 'evidence' he found, because he wants to justify his play.

Day 2:
So Day 2 rolls around and Shadow has a go at keeping the spotlight firmly pointed at Denul:

Shadow, on 15 April 2014 - 09:23 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 15 April 2014 - 09:18 PM, said:

fuck that's a double whammy and mistake.

Don't want to stray into wifom this early in the day, I suck at alting but could killer(s?) have pinged gust and thought he had to go cause he's bloody good or was he on a right track.

Probably because they found his posting irritating. Although I still want to vote for Denul again today. The lynch of Serc did nothing to clear him in my mind.

When he gets some pressure on Day 2 (Korabas and Tiamatha dropped votes on him early in the day), he sticks to his plan and tries to manufacture an alternative by playing up MO's dying words.

Shadow, on 16 April 2014 - 12:33 PM, said:

I have found that when Gusty is town he is usually really good at spotting scum and different connections between scum. I know in GOM that he was dead on before he died.

Based on my own suspicion of Denul and Korbas attempting to try to direct something at me. When I came out and said that I still suspected Denul I am like a vote on Denul more and more.

Vote Denul

He's really banking on a groundswell of Denul mistrust to get him out of his hole here. There were one or two people who seemed to agree with him, but I don't think it would have gone very well. However, eventually Ruse came along as an alternative option and saved his bacon.

Day 3:
At this point the Korabas reveal started to dominate the conversation. The first thing Shadow does is angle for a modkill. Not a big fan of that - a townie should want to avoid someone getting modkilled, surely, even one in as precarious a position as Korabas (also, he insists on calling him Korbas, which annoys me to no end as there is a different alt by that name):

Shadow, on 17 April 2014 - 12:41 PM, said:

Korabas, on 16 April 2014 - 11:23 PM, said:

I've thought about this. It's a good post. Being a gang leader myself, I can't really say I know any of my 'team'. That said, the symp-master relationship outlined above would certainly accommodate a single killer, since any symp-master relationship has essentially lost its meaning. So now we have a whole town team, likely speckled with roles, but our ability to track on-thread symp relationships has been hamstrung. I can't say I've seen this sort of game in the few I've played.

fixed 'have' to 'has'

Well that is a how do you do first thing in the morning isn't it. I don't understand your reasoning revealing yourself like that. Seems that you got all caught up in the moment and blew your load. Kinda surprised that PS didn't modkill you truthfully. But that is probably because if your who you say you are then it would remove a VC condition anyway. This way the town will do it and save him the need to modkill. I see no other choice then to lynch Korbas today.

Vote for Korbas

And I wasn't fond of his attempt to divide up the player space either:

Shadow, on 17 April 2014 - 01:00 PM, said:

As I see it
Kesso
Okral
Lock
Bek
GL

Can not be the killer. Otherwise they would have changed their night kill to take Korbas out.

That leaves as the possible killer

Ampelas, Denul, Eloth, Rikkter, Shadow, Tiamatha

Since I know that I am town. We are left with

Amp
Denul
Eloth
Rikkter
Tiamatha


I of course like Denul as scum. But really it could be anyone of those. Of course now that we have two lists. I think that we will lynch off of one and scum will most likely kill off of the other. At least that is what I would if I was scum.

The way he's planning several days in advance rubs me the wrong way. Planning out the specifics of which players he expects to be lynched and NKed is not something that townspeople do. They are (or at least should) constantly looking for evidence to help find the scum and shouldn't be confined by lists like this. Scum, on the other hand, are always trying to figure out how they can get to their goal of killing off enough town to claim victory. There comes a point in most games I've spectated where you'll see the scum post something to SH saying "OK, now I should kill X, get Players Y and Z to follow me in a lynch of Q tomorrow, and then NK P the next night". It's natural to do. I feel like this has spilled out onto the thread a bit here from Shadow.

So overall I feel like Shadow has been making moves that indicate he's trying to keep the thread blinkered. He wants to keep the town on rails and does his best to nudge them in the directions he wants. Unfortunately for him, he hasn't been subtle enough about it.

Vote Shadow

Apologies if anything in this case doesn't make sense - it's the early hours of the morning here. I should be back on before the end of the day, but now I must retire to bed.