[Bek Okhan]

Tiamatha, on 17 April 2014 - 08:58 PM, said:

nice cherry pick, my NK speculation was a rebuttal of someone elses (lock) ridiculous suggest of a NK based on irritating play, and expounded from there.

the rest - eh whatever you could make the same cases on anyone, I picked at the Ruse case because there were elements of it that were clearly nonsense, I didn't bother votjng denul because everyone had a hard on for Ruse. Anything else?



oh, to keep you happy

vote denul

You were the first person to post at the beginning of day two, and you immediately started talking about the reasoning for the NK. You were the only person to use the NK to back up your case, and you did it consistently. There is nothing cherry-picked about that.

[Tiamatha]

fuck you Bek, gk back and read again, everyone and their dog was suggesting we look at such and such because they must have wanted to kil him cause he was annoying. F you're gonna case me, stop telling fucking lies.

watching Iron man with the gf, will check in periodically to wallow in the bullshit

[Bek Okhan]

Tiamatha, on 17 April 2014 - 09:01 PM, said:

are you deliberately misinterpreting my posts?

shadow and I argued it out, when I put in large letters that he could bullshit around he had to back down or be seen as wanting the speedy lynch I'm suggesting him and amp were.



my problem with the 'list' is that shadow presented it as the be all and fucking end all. Bow to me mere mortals, this is the list we shall lynch off, this is the list the scum shall kill off, it shall be so. Go fuck yourself please shadow, stop trying to dictate fame based on a wifom assumption. Thank you

Sure, Shadow backed down. This implies that he accepts your logic, or he wouldn't have backed down. And "I see no other choice than to lynch Korabas" does not mean the same as "let's lynch Korabas as soon as possible and not have any discussion about anything else". Shadow's list shows that he was at least willing to discuss other people and options.

That "wifom assumption" is based on fairly strong logic, and your continued attempts to dismiss it continue to look scummy.

[Bek Okhan]

Tiamatha, on 17 April 2014 - 09:10 PM, said:

fuck you Bek, gk back and read again, everyone and their dog was suggesting we look at such and such because they must have wanted to kil him cause he was annoying. F you're gonna case me, stop telling fucking lies.

watching Iron man with the gf, will check in periodically to wallow in the bullshit

That's bullshit. Plenty of people suggested that MO was killed because he was annoying. No one but you pointed to a single person that must have been the one to kill him.

[Tiamatha]

what?
several people agreed MO might have been on to something, agreed with me on that and its still part of everyones suspicion on denul, words, theyre for reading

[Kessobahn]

Tiamatha, on 17 April 2014 - 09:10 PM, said:

fuck you Bek, gk back and read again, everyone and their dog was suggesting we look at such and such because they must have wanted to kil him cause he was annoying. F you're gonna case me, stop telling fucking lies.

watching Iron man with the gf, will check in periodically to wallow in the bullshit

You're accusing somebody else of telling lies? While you're claiming not just a gf but a gf who watches Iron Man???

[Shadow]

Denul, on 17 April 2014 - 08:11 PM, said:

Shadow, on 17 April 2014 - 07:32 PM, said:

Even dropping a funny remark like that is suspect. Obviously the person is a vet as he mentioned the two person predator which was only used in Aliens 2.0. So that remark to me was not innocent but calculated.

Making nostalgic references is always calculated and scummy? Dam! Macros and dibs must be scum in every single game they play!

Dibs hasn't played in over a year. Maccy just started to play again. Hmmmm I would have gone for a Morgy and Dibs comparison myself. Mainly because Maccy is usually so mentally erratic.

[Kessobahn]

Tiamatha, on 17 April 2014 - 09:17 PM, said:

what?
several people agreed MO might have been on to something, agreed with me on that and its still part of everyones suspicion on denul, words, theyre for reading

I don't think that 'several' means what you think it does. One, two, several, lots, bunches?

[Shadow]

Tiamatha, on 17 April 2014 - 09:01 PM, said:

are you deliberately misinterpreting my posts?

shadow and I argued it out, when I put in large letters that he could bullshit around he had to back down or be seen as wanting the speedy lynch I'm suggesting him and amp were.



my problem with the 'list' is that shadow presented it as the be all and fucking end all. Bow to me mere mortals, this is the list we shall lynch off, this is the list the scum shall kill off, it shall be so. Go fuck yourself please shadow, stop trying to dictate fame based on a wifom assumption. Thank you

Actually that isn't what you said. What you said was

Tiamatha, on 17 April 2014 - 02:04 PM, said:

maybe I'm presenting my opinion wrong.

om lets say that warlords do CF differently.

lets say we don't lynch Korabas today and kenshiro kills him tonight.

It will still take him three nights to kill off the warlords ASSUMING he gets lucky and hits them all in a row

ASSUMING we don't end up lynching one now through a plain old bad town lynch.

lets assume we don't lynch any warlords. And assume a solo killer we have 3 days

we have a CI (if assuming korabas is truthful) why are we wasting a lynch? If there's more than one scum we're barrelling closer to d-day second by second. And you guys want to rush there, hell if there's more than one scum we d-day about the same time as a triple warlordicide. Assuming kenshiro gets lucky enough to nail them.

This is wasted lynch Imo, is that clear enough for you?

After looking at your better laid out thoughts I agreed that perhaps lynching Korbas was a waste of time. At no point were we talking about a speed lynch. At least I wasn't. I agreed enough with your logic to remove my vote from Korbas. I still think that a lynch of him is a smart lynch. But I am willing to look at others. Specifically the others who couldn't have been on to change a kill.

[Korabas]

Back from work. I was pretty bummed about the whole mess. But I'll help where I can.

Denul, on 17 April 2014 - 02:28 PM, said:

Briefly checking in and quickly reading up.

I disagree with Tiam that considering player posting times with the lack of a Korabas NK is without merit. Despite potential wifom situations, the really is no reason for the killer not to have switched to Korabas if they could. There is minimal gain in the wifom department, because Shin's mod post basically CI'd Korabas despite him not being NK'd. At the same time, the killer would know for sure there's a good possibility of us lynching Korabas if he survives. Killing Korabas maintains the easier scum VC which potentially alleviates the killer ever having to get into a more dangerous D-Day where there are fewer town players to hide amongst.

So, I do think if the killer was online they would have certainly switched to Korabas. There's just not enough value in not doing so for them, as far as I can see. Looking at who was and wasn't online at the time (as well as taking into account the MO NK, which is wifomier but worth thinking about in conjunction with this timing case) is very worthwhile, IMO.

I also disagree about gangleaders not being revealed in CFs. The dead have so far been CF'd as not just innocent but RI. RI means something very specific and the gangleaders are certainly not RI based upon the OP/sign-up hints.

I do, however, agree with Tiam about lynching Korabas. We have a CI/VPI, no need to do a guaranteed wasted lynch on him. No other gangleaders have CF'd yet, so losing one tonight is not a big deal. There are still two left that we might lynch by mistake or that can deliberately do something stupid to get lynched if they are the last one and are afraid Kenshiro will get his 3 leader NKs.

I didn't get NK'd because of my ability. I need to double check with PS to see if I can elaborate further. I'm waiting on a response, but I have to head out for a bit anyway. I'll be back in an hour or two to expand on this.

[Kessobahn]

Shadow, on 17 April 2014 - 09:23 PM, said:

But I am willing to look at others. Specifically the others who couldn't have been on to change a kill.

In case you missed it above, that list would be contained in the empty set. Internet + smart phones.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3.

15 hours and 30 minutes are left.

12 players alive.
Ampelas, Bek Okhan, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kessobahn, Korabas, Lock, Okral Lom, Rikkter, Shadow, Tiamatha

1 vote Korabas: Ampelas
1 vote Tiam: Bek Okhan
1 vote Denul: Tiamatha

Players not voting: Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kessobahn, Korabas, Lock, Okral Lom, Rikkter, Shadow

[Tiamatha]

Path-Shaper, on 11 April 2014 - 02:07 PM, said:

Game specific rules:

REVEALS OF IDENTITY ARE STRICTLY FORBIDDEN. Reveals of abilities, real or fake, are allowed.

Because everyone in the Hokuto world is bulging with self-confidence, Self-voting is not allowed, even "to get a lynch".

Days are 32 hours, nights are instant. (Martial artists must be immediately decisive)

Victory Conditions

Town: Eliminate Kenshiro

Scum: Achieve majority OR Kenshiro kills the 3 warlords. If a warlord is lynched, it does not count toward this VC, which becomes null.

abilities can be claimed.

if your ability somehow is related to you survival it throws pretty much everything based on your survival out the window.

several is anything more than 2 afaik

eta - inflatable girlfriends watch whatever you tell them too

This post has been edited by Tiamatha: 17 April 2014 - 10:30 PM

[Tiamatha]

will be around on and off for the last 6/7 hours of day

[Rikkter]

Galayn Lord, on 17 April 2014 - 07:05 PM, said:

Oh ok, I see listees already at it, Sorry took me a while to type that out.

I wanna hear Rikkters input the most. this time I won't lay a vote till Rikkter comes in and makes this a rounded discussion.

Not sure what kind of peer pressure this is??


Right now, out of the blue I don't trust Tiam & maybe Denul

[Rikkter]

Korabas, on 17 April 2014 - 12:11 PM, said:

Morning.

So, I fucked up quite a bit. Might make sense once we reach heaven, but even then....

Here's what I'll leave you with. If you're town, discount everything I've said since the reveal.. Everything. It's all bullshit.

Do what needs to be done.

How do we respond to this situation?

[Korabas]

So I'm back, and PS reassured me that its good to post.

Tiamatha, on 17 April 2014 - 10:29 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 11 April 2014 - 02:07 PM, said:

Game specific rules:

REVEALS OF IDENTITY ARE STRICTLY FORBIDDEN. Reveals of abilities, real or fake, are allowed.

Because everyone in the Hokuto world is bulging with self-confidence, Self-voting is not allowed, even "to get a lynch".

Days are 32 hours, nights are instant. (Martial artists must be immediately decisive)

Victory Conditions

Town: Eliminate Kenshiro

Scum: Achieve majority OR Kenshiro kills the 3 warlords. If a warlord is lynched, it does not count toward this VC, which becomes null.

abilities can be claimed.

if your ability somehow is related to you survival it throws pretty much everything based on your survival out the window.

several is anything more than 2 afaik

eta - inflatable girlfriends watch whatever you tell them too

I'm just being extra careful since I fucked myself over recently. So my ability essentially guards me from night kills until another warlord dies. I had another role that I was trying to play yesterday. Essentially it announced my killer to the thread in the event of my death. Presumably this should have revealed Kenshiro. However, since I broke the rules, I lost that ability. Instead I now have the one super-guard. The only downside is that using my guard came with a gamble. If another warlord was dead already, then it would have killed me immediately. I'm guessing that warlords might not be revealed as such when they die. The only people that might know if a warlord is dead are those players who were given that information (team members, presumably). This is all I have to offer. I hope it helps.

To scum.: Mouahahaha I am invincible!

[Rikkter]

Shadow, on 17 April 2014 - 01:14 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 17 April 2014 - 01:08 PM, said:

gee thanks for producing such a helpful lynch list for us. disregarding the fact its entirely based on wifom you've just set yourself up to wifom any lynch/ kill for the rest of the game. This screams scum to me, not helpful townie

Both myself and you are on the to be lynched list. I am willing to be lynched tomorrow. Today we need to lynch Korbas as otherwise scum will be able to do it and retain both of his VC. How it is based on WIFOM. That is a very casual disregard. Do you have a problem with the logic. It seems very clear cut to me. I figure the likely hood that Scum would willingly sacrifice an easier (perceived true) VC in order to be called a PI to be very slim.

Why would scum care if they make 2 VCs when only 1 is needed?

[Rikkter]

I haven't seen this much WIFOM & meta reasoning in like 10 games

[Korabas]

Rikkter, on 17 April 2014 - 10:54 PM, said:

Korabas, on 17 April 2014 - 12:11 PM, said:

Morning.

So, I fucked up quite a bit. Might make sense once we reach heaven, but even then....

Here's what I'll leave you with. If you're town, discount everything I've said since the reveal.. Everything. It's all bullshit.

Do what needs to be done.

How do we respond to this situation?

I can explain it easily. I was trying to use my other skill, and I needed to die. I timed my reveal in the day so that the thread would not have enough time to emergency lynch me. I also did what I could to hold off votes aimed at me, so I used some really faulty logic in order to seem like I had good intentions. Most of what I wrote contradicts itself, as some of you pointed out yesterday.