So here's the first of the three: Galayn Lord. GL has 9 posts, which may not seem very much, but when they do post, they are considerately constructed and usually have something to add. I've included a few below for further discussion.
Galayn Lord, on 14 April 2014 - 06:24 PM, said:
Denul, on 14 April 2014 - 06:09 PM, said:
Path-Shaper, on 11 April 2014 - 02:07 PM, said:
Victory Conditions
Town: Eliminate Kenshiro
Scum: Achieve majority OR Kenshiro kills the 3 warlords. If a warlord is lynched, it does not count toward this VC, which becomes null.
This makes me think that there are other scum roles beyond Kenshiro.
Ok skimmed through. I'm gonna agree with this.
Also that was pretty shallow thinking from Serc, Poor thing to say for Town. Maybe inexperienced player talking? Anyway read up on the Fist of the North Star. Kenshiro had several ineffectual supporters like Bat and Lin.
Theres also Toki and Yuri sooo plenty of stock for scum here.
Kenshiro
GL is the one who throws the possible inexperienced player on to Serc (lol, Ment, you inexperienced player

), which was swiftly countered by several people pointing at the sign-up list.
GL gives us information which leads them to believe that Kenshiro does have allies in this game. As an aside, I always get the feeling that those who read up on the game context are more 'invested' in the game. Perhaps something to keep an eye on, though I hate to say that about someone who has shown that they are paying attention to the context (and therefore possibly also the mechanics) of the game.
Galayn Lord, on 15 April 2014 - 05:30 AM, said:
Monok Ochem, on 15 April 2014 - 04:34 AM, said:
: Thank you Stibbons. So the question I have is why are we arsing about spending so much bloody time or Korabas when if he's the so-called symp, we ought to be focusing on Serc! I think this is all smoke and mirrors, and really, we ought to be testing by stringing up that Serc fellow, or maybe one of the supposedly upright citizens trying so valiantly to make a case on them!
Oook...
: Sorry Librarian, just felt a bit strongly about it. Damn, got sucked into this song and dance....
I'm not sure I understand this all but as we seem to be doing a discworld thing I'll have to admit I enjoyed these posts just a tiny bit. I'll sneak some rep in when no ones looking.
Right on to business. Look, we did this last game. Figured we had a master being symped. It turned out later the symp was setting the town player up. Like the monkey I have my misgivings about chasing Serc because Korabas might be symping or distracting from him (or not). We have had good day one records of late then we sort of lose the plot. How about we keep things focused this time?
If I vote Serc I vote on the things they say which were bad enough. Korabas warrants the attention he's getting, saying two things at once like he did only muddied the waters. I'd rather weigh each player on their own seperate actions this game. I'll vote Serc or Korabas. Serc feels the oddest, will wait to hear more from him before deciding which way to go.
Galayn was one of the few who seemed to at least half-enjoy Monok's RP.
Here GL briefly lists his feelings on Serc and Korabas. If I was nit-picking, I would say that the build-up leads one to believe that they would find Korabas more suspicious, but instead they say 'Serc feels the oddest'. Genuine feeling, or saying that in preparation for a Serc vote because that's by far the likelier lynch of the two?
Galayn Lord, on 15 April 2014 - 05:25 PM, said:
Denul, on 15 April 2014 - 03:49 PM, said:
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We, and by we I mean the general mafia-playing populace on these forums, ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS think there should be symps in the game. Look at the last game - we day 1 lynched a scum and HE CF'D AS SCUM and we were still arguing for days afterwards that he was actually a symp, or that he was not scum at all, etc etc. And in the end, there were no symps in the game at all.
To use Serc's own example from page 2 or so, Khell's Name of the Rose game was just one lone killer against a dozen RIs, which would normally be extremely unbalanced, and the only way D'rek lasted to the end was because the town spent five striaght days arguing about really flimsy signalling cases.
I don't want to turn this into some sort of the oldies are better mafia players rant or anything, but as things are right now we spend waaaaay too much time arguing about signalling and it is almost always to the detriment of town. When you play mafia in person, you never go on huge hunts for symps, you usually just ignore them but keep your suspicions up, because that's how you get them to reach too far and give away their killer. Jumping onto every single fucking post and calling it a possible signal right away just puts the scum hackles up and they simply won't signal, will sit back and let town witchhunt themselves and come out smelling of rose-scented dicks.
Ok, Yeah for all Denuls hooting and holering this is a really sound statement for Town? Maybe the best I've heard in a couple of games despite it coming from a player I'm struggling to read. We spend too much time trying to assume scum slipped up and in doing so prevent scum doing enough to build a decent case on them.
Any of the more vocal players on here can be scum really. Thanks to town drowning out cases its a huge garbled mess, painful to read through. I had a few ideas for cases but really I'm not going to try straighten all that thread spaghetti. Again I say how about we keep it focused?
Occams Razor has proven invaluable day 1. Simple cases work out. Serc has such a simple case on him. I'd like to address that.
Serc: I want to hear what you thinks about players accusing you. There was that odd speculation that only one Scum existed, based off the OP? I suggested the FotNS lore proved otherwise but also Denul engaged you directly and "corrected" you making his own conclusions from the OP.
I recall your speculation was intended to get scum onto you, exposing themselves? for me, this is
a poor excuse for poor posting but giving you the benefit of a doubt Has any such player in your opinion showed up?
Who exactly fits that bill in your opinion?
My vote on you relies on a reply proving your methods, without one, bad speculation is costing town dearly. It led up to all 4 pages of cross arguments. I want to know if it had any substance. you're our best lynch if it didn't.
Here, GL demonstrates strong agreement with Denul (I admit I liked the particular post being referred to as well).
But this post is mostly about asking questions of Serc before placing their vote. In my opinion, they are pertinent questions, and demonstrate a good reading of and attention to the game. The one error lies in the second question, about Serc wanting to attract scum to them, which Serc corrected, saying it was someone else who labelled them with that.
Anyway, what I'm trying to get that is, to me, these don't seem like pointless questions solely designed to falsely imply content. These are the kinds of things I would have been interested to hear from Serc as well.
Galayn Lord, on 15 April 2014 - 06:16 PM, said:
Serc, on 15 April 2014 - 05:45 PM, said:
Player accusing me--Alkend, mostly. He is eager, but accepts his mistakes (see the lasty page of him and Denul). don't get a scum vibe.
Brown Bear (the T'lann Imass names are confusing): he latched on to me after Korabas allegedly symped me. That is a much weaker argument, imo. given how much joking around he did before, it's suspicious. Day 1 gut, but that's where I'd look-he suddenly got super-serious and started to actively push for some pretty weak cases.
Denul-he's defending me, and himself. Not doing a great job-he brings a lot of attention to himself, and then votes me, so as to "sever" any ties. it'd make some sense if I was to CF scum, but I'm not. For the rest of you, you can try "testing him" by lynching me, but me, knowing how I'll CF, I can't really say one way or the other.
As for "me attracting scum to myself"-that is a motive that was attributed to me, one that I denied. I was honest-my motive for that post was Day 1 Monday laziness, and basically asking someone who read the wiki provided to point out if there are any "scum"-sounding roles in the FotNS lore.
wrt to "has anyone showed up?"-although I didn't intent to bait anyone, Brown Bear's involvement strikes me as odd. I'd also like to vote Kesso, but that's cuz he only posted once, and in math at that.
Not bad for a reply.
TBH I don't think keeping you on would be wise. I do think you raise some good points here, I've been keen to hear more from the above for similar reasons. I think Denul is the first port of call after we get your CF, which honestly seems the right play for town. We need to know whats happening with one of you and Denul seems the more logical choice to keep on day 2 IMO, others might disagree. I'm voting Serc because honestly that reply and your CF sets us on the right path. Nothing personal.
Vote Serc
If someone thinks a better case could be made without Sercs CF I'm actually happier following that.
Serc's reply and Galayn's vote. Galayn demonstrates reluctance in voting for Serc - something admittedly more than a few did - and suggests that they will look at Denul today. Galayn doesn't go into why he thought Serc was the more logical choice out of Serc and Denul - I'd be keen to know why.
Galayn Lord, on 15 April 2014 - 07:41 PM, said:
Monok Ochem, on 15 April 2014 - 06:39 PM, said:
NARRATOR: (COMING OUT OF CHARACTER) META IS NOT ALLOWED IN MAFIA GAMES OF RANDOMLY-ALTED DESIGN. ATTEMPTING TO DERAIL AND/OR THROW ASPERSION ON A CASE DUE TO META IS REPREHENSIBLE AND AT MINIMUM POOR FORM. IF YOU SUSPECT THIS CASE TO BE ANYTHING BUT IN ERNEST, TAKE IT UP WITH PATHSHAPER IN YOUR PM'S, NOT ON THREAD.
Noted.
Not at all derailing. Simply saying I wish to be certain of Denul. Several things about my read of him seem odd.
Will take it up with PS off-thread.
I already stated when I voted Serc that I'm happier moving on if its possible to remove doubt and find a more definate case. Are you ok leaving Serc be? personally I get nothing concrete from a Denul CF without a lynch to review but I am in no way opposed to it. It makes alot of sense, my gut is the only thing holding me back.
Sercs CF may offer more info about players outside the Denul, Serc duo. Both Serc and denul have said things that contradict each other and contradict themselves. If theres a link I'm seeing Serc as the less threatening but more pivotal player? If you see this as a defence of Denul then you are mistaken. I'd rather deal with Denul Day 2 rather than deal with Serc day 2 purely based on confusion around Denuls content vs the simplicity of Sercs.
Once again Galayn states misgivings about a Serc lynch, though they do provide a brief explanation to my question above - dealing with the simpler matter/case first. Once again, though, the implication is that they will look into Denul today.
There's nothing majorly (or even that minorly) incriminating about Galayn that I could find. It would usually be pretty difficult to do so with nine posts total anyway, but overall those posts don't display much 'empty filler' content either.
On to the next.