[Korabas]

I'm going to wait on Denul's response to Monok's case. Seeing as we have somewhere near 17 hours or so left in the day, I'm thinking I can go to sleep now and be back well before the end of the day. I'll drop a vote in the morning.

[Galayn Lord]

Monok Ochem, on 15 April 2014 - 04:34 AM, said:

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: Thank you Stibbons. So the question I have is why are we arsing about spending so much bloody time or Korabas when if he's the so-called symp, we ought to be focusing on Serc! I think this is all smoke and mirrors, and really, we ought to be testing by stringing up that Serc fellow, or maybe one of the supposedly upright citizens trying so valiantly to make a case on them!

Oook...

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: Sorry Librarian, just felt a bit strongly about it. Damn, got sucked into this song and dance....

I'm not sure I understand this all but as we seem to be doing a discworld thing I'll have to admit I enjoyed these posts just a tiny bit. I'll sneak some rep in when no ones looking.

Right on to business. Look, we did this last game. Figured we had a master being symped. It turned out later the symp was setting the town player up. Like the monkey I have my misgivings about chasing Serc because Korabas might be symping or distracting from him (or not). We have had good day one records of late then we sort of lose the plot. How about we keep things focused this time?

If I vote Serc I vote on the things they say which were bad enough. Korabas warrants the attention he's getting, saying two things at once like he did only muddied the waters. I'd rather weigh each player on their own seperate actions this game. I'll vote Serc or Korabas. Serc feels the oddest, will wait to hear more from him before deciding which way to go.

[Tiamatha]

morning, reading up

[Tiamatha]

phew, awfu amount of backing and forthing over the signalling.



now, there's several players have stood out in this since I went to bed, OL, taking an entirely new tack, on Korabas, and Bek's attempts to tear that apart.

as I was reading through I my initial gut reactions was that OL was picking on anything to divert but Bek's rebuttals seemed awfuly contrived and reaching.

I cant decide who is doing the protecting here, if any. Need to go read further back

[Tiamatha]

it was rikkter OL that I pulled initially on signalling, which is interesting given how OL has now latched onto Korabas, who is focusing on Denul.

All we need now is Denul to accuse OL and the circlejerk will be complete.

The Denul suspicion is based off possible sympage from serc (I'm on the phone and working off memory now, correct me If I am wrong)

I'd be willing to drop a vote into the mix on any off them to see what heats up

[Ampelas]

Just caught up and what the hell is going on?

I could interpret half the posts on the first few pages as signalling should I so desire. All you idiots wise up - we don't need to signal our Warlord who we are so cut it out. The only people on thread remotely considering signalling should be symps, every one else of you is painting a bull's-eye on someone else for Kenshiro.

[Tiamatha]

who mentioned warlords Amp??

we've been discussing possible sympage of scum entirely, stop trying to muddy the water further and derail our conversation

[Path-Shaper]

The first signs of the living began to appear as Kenshiro approached the city. Sad furrows in the ground where withered vegetables struggled to grow. Furtive movements could be detected here and there as watchers hid from Kenshiro behind rocks and rubble. The people had long ago learned that strangers were better avoided, no matter how precious the sickly vegetables were. Besides, the newcomer would probably be killed or in the stocks before the day was through anyways.

It was then that Kenshiro heard the whine of small engines in the distance, and he knew his welcoming party was on its way.

12 hours and 03 minutes left in Day One.

16 players alive.
Alkend, Ampelas, Bek Okhan, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kessobahn, Korabas, Lock, Okral Lom, Monok Ochem, Rikkter, Ruse, Serc, Shadow, Tiamatha

9 votes to lynch, 8 to go to night.

1 vote Korabas: Okral Lom
1 vote Denul: Monok Ochem

Players not voted: Alkend, Ampelas, Bek Okhan, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kessobahn, Korabas, Lock, Monok Ochem, Rikkter, Ruse, Serc, Shadow, Tiamatha

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 15 April 2014 - 11:39 AM

[Okral Lom]

Tiamatha, on 15 April 2014 - 06:23 AM, said:

it was rikkter OL that I pulled initially on signalling, which is interesting given how OL has now latched onto Korabas, who is focusing on Denul.

All we need now is Denul to accuse OL and the circlejerk will be complete.

The Denul suspicion is based off possible sympage from serc (I'm on the phone and working off memory now, correct me If I am wrong)

I'd be willing to drop a vote into the mix on any off them to see what heats up

Well do it then! There's no point leaving it until there's only a few hours left in the day. What are you waiting for? I was joking before when I kept calling you out for being non-committal, but I'm being serious now.

[Bek Okhan]

Right, I'm going to bed, and I may not be back until after time out. I'm going to

Vote Denul

because when in doubt, vote the one who is being signaled to.

[Alkend]

I am here, I have caught up and I am going to go back and have another look and gather my thoughts.

[Alkend]

First I need some coffee to take on my hour commute.

[Tiamatha]

I'm going to

vote Denul

why? A combination of OL and sercs actions. korabas starts the suspicion of serc, and OL aims in the opposite direction, trying to discredit korabas in the process.

thus ends the case on my end

[Lock]

I'm here, will go get caught up.

[Okral Lom]

Eloth, on 15 April 2014 - 03:06 AM, said:

Anyway, what I am curious about is why Okral was so sure that Korabas wasn't symping Serc if that was the reasoning behind his vote.

Monok Ochem, on 15 April 2014 - 04:34 AM, said:

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: Thank you Stibbons. So the question I have is why are we arsing about spending so much bloody time or Korabas when if he's the so-called symp, we ought to be focusing on Serc! I think this is all smoke and mirrors, and really, we ought to be testing by stringing up that Serc fellow, or maybe one of the supposedly upright citizens trying so valiantly to make a case on them!

My interpretation of Korabas' post was that he was trying to signal to somebody, but I wasn't really sure who that was. It could have been Serc, it could have been Denul, but the way I read it it felt more like a "Look, I'm a symp!" cry directed at the general thread. If he thought his master was looking for him, then he wouldn't necessarily need to signal in response to anybody in particular. On that basis, I thought it made sense to pressure Korabas himself.

[Alkend]

I have coffee

Okay without bringing in the rest of the thread I want to address my biggest concern which has to be Serc.

Alkend, on 14 April 2014 - 03:35 PM, said:

Serc, on 14 April 2014 - 03:31 PM, said:

Eloth, on 14 April 2014 - 03:27 PM, said:

Rikkter, on 14 April 2014 - 03:03 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 14 April 2014 - 02:55 PM, said:

Rikkter, on 14 April 2014 - 02:00 PM, said:

Okral Lom, on 14 April 2014 - 01:39 PM, said:

Rikkter, on 14 April 2014 - 01:34 PM, said:

checking in

I was hoping for more like a 7.2 from you...that was barely a 2.9! /terrible earthquake joke

That is a terrible earthquake joke. It's so bad that it gave me tremors.

signalling?

Are you serious right now?

Isn't this what happened last game?

I'm yet to read the wiki, but does the Kenshiro guy even have allies to signal him? he strikes me as the save the world loner type of guy

The more I read this, the more I find the sentence dodgy.

Underlined reads to me like Kenshiro asking allies to come forward.

So this is something I put forward. I found it dodgy and wanted to see what Serc would respond. You should address problems that other members have. So does he. Does he even mention it? His lack of response is what is irritating me and making me feel more likely that he is scum.

Serc, on 14 April 2014 - 03:42 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 14 April 2014 - 03:32 PM, said:

so we're to assume its one guy against 15??

I think that's a bit of a stretch serc, watching you.

meh, last game I played was like that, and D'rek took it down to last day. nothing impossible, if there's no finders.

He is asking us to speculate on town roles. Major scum thing to do. I am glad no one took him up on this conversation.

Serc, on 14 April 2014 - 05:00 PM, said:

Denul, on 14 April 2014 - 03:54 PM, said:

Her name is Yuri and she looks like this:

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I love RA2 so much. the Soviet briefing chick was hawt.

This is his last post. He directly quotes Denul.

So he responded to two people and ignored me.

So from my point of view Serc is scummy. Things are adding up anyway.


What I also found interesting are the comments about Serc...

[Alkend]

Denul, on 14 April 2014 - 03:52 PM, said:

I don't have a lot of time to post today so you probably won't hear from me again for the next few hours at least, but I promise I will give the OP a read at some point

For whomever was speculating about Kenshiro being alone upthread, IIRC he has a girlfriend who is kidnapped by one of the villains but still loves him, so that could be a potential symp role.

Right so first there is Denul. I have underlined this because there are 4 posts directly above his post quoting Serc. I cannot see how Denul does not know that Serc was the one who made the comment.

So how else could I read this post by Denul "for Serc I am that girl, ie I am your symp"

It really does read that way to me.

[Alkend]

Denul's post was not funny. I was not going to post this one but when reading the one below, putting that with Serc's quote of Denul it does feel like signalling.

Okral Lom, on 14 April 2014 - 04:22 PM, said:

Denul, on 14 April 2014 - 03:54 PM, said:

Her name is Yuri and she looks like this:

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I laughed hard

Okral Lom, on 14 April 2014 - 04:57 PM, said:

In any case, since people are trying to be serious, I'll chime in on the Serc thing. Seems to me that there are going to be a lot of artifacts in the game design that refer back to how this game could be run as a factions game. In that set up, I could well imagine Kenshiro as some kind of lone warrior/serial killer type. But in a town vs scum game it only takes a second of thought about the game design to see that the scum team must have more than one player.

My guess is that Serc is fishing for role information by posting something obviously wrong and waiting to see who corrects him. Whether that's a townie looking for scum, a symp looking for roled innos or Kenshiro looking for symps, I don't know...

This looks like he is downplaying Serc's play. I am not looking at Serc with "townie" eyes as that would mean him actually playing like a townie and answering questions and not standing out like a sore thumb.

I am still looking at reactions to the heat Serc got because a train has built up elsewhere and Serc was left alone.

[Alkend]

That post there from Okral was followed by Serc saying he loved RA2. No response to what Okral just said. Again, Serc is being discussed but chooses not to respond.

[Okral Lom]

Bek Okhan, on 15 April 2014 - 02:48 AM, said:

Quite frankly, I'd prefer the 'checking in and leaving again' player than the one that spouts nonsense.

Calling it nonsense is doing it a disservice, and were it not for the fact that you guys are voting the same way I'd be inclined to think you were trying to discredit MO pre-emptively here. There are genuine thoughts in his posts, they're just obscured slightly by the window dressing. It requires extra brain engagement to unravel (which is pretty inconsiderate of MO given the number of low posters there appear to be in the game - we need to get them involved and making things difficult for those with limited time is not useful), but crucially he is making cases and applying a critical eye to the thread.

I need to go and take a closer look at Denul and the attention lavished on him. It was not my intention to draw attention away from him (although if it was I did a terrible job of it!) but it seems there are a couple of people who feel that's what I did - guess I'd better go and see what I was distracting from!