[Korabas]

Denul, on 05 April 2014 - 02:10 AM, said:

*snip extraneous quotes*

My level 5 ability was to be told the other members of my nationality. I don't know whether or not they're scum or town or anything beyond the fact that they have the same nationality as me, but I do know who they are.

Ah you mean this. I was wondering why people weren't narrowing it down to those three people. My bad. It was just too good to be true, a nice narrowing down of suspects....

[Korabas]

Bek Okhan, on 05 April 2014 - 06:15 AM, said:

You said your level 5 wais a find on me or okral lom last i checked. You're now also claiming we are one faction?

Denul, on 06 April 2014 - 04:42 PM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 05 April 2014 - 06:55 PM, said:

Honestly my initial read on Denul was that he was mirroring scum. Now it seems he has put his neck on the block to prove he is town and either Okral or myself are town. I really cant make any calls till I hear Okral Lom answer to my question.

Once he does I will know whether my attitude to Denul is fair and know that we just simply read the game differently. If I hear the right answer from Okral Lom I may be voting one way if the wrong answer I will vote another.

If Okral is scum then I figure we have found support scum? if he isn't well Denul has me and Ok setup really nicely.

My biggest fear is both Okral Lom and myself are town. A lynch on all 3 of us plus NKs wins scum the game. Denul is it explicit that one of either Lom or myself is scum? or have you just inferred that logic after your read of the game?

If you guys lynch me it will prove I'm town and then we get an NK, who would you lynch after I'm gone? Okral Lom or Denul? My money says you'd lynch Okral Lom. That gives us the scum in our camp and town can move on to the next factions scum should Denul be legit.

This was my logic based on the faulty numbers that Monok Ochem had put up. I have since retracted my suspicions. I have no information that would lead me to believe one way or the other that either of you are scum or town. I'm still suspicious of you, but my reasoning for it is more gut now than from the math it was based on before. Right now, I've no flippin' idea where anyone stands.

Here is where I got confused. Denul actually doesn't appear to have directly responded to BO's query.

[Korabas]

OL's first day is kind of interesting. He throws some derisive comments into the more/vs/less posting argument, flavored with nostalgia:

Okral Lom, on 01 April 2014 - 02:03 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 01 April 2014 - 11:23 AM, said:

*snip of excess quotage*


600 or even 480 posts in a day is unrealistic, no matter who is involved. Bek says we certainly can't do it today without spamming up the thread - as if that wouldn't be the case on every other single day too. This is a nonsense post, and I'm calling it out as such.

So that was mildly irritating to read through this morning. You must not have ever played a game with Grief, Mentalist, and Lio. I believe that on one day Grief and Lio reached 750+ posts. The second they might have gotten to 1000 more. I would wake up and look at the thread and rather then 12 pages there was 45. It was fucking insanely awesome. A bitch to read through though.

Okral Lom, on 01 April 2014 - 02:47 PM, said:

*snip of excess quotage*

Honestly it was a brilliant. You couldn't read through it at all. I don't think anyone went back more then 5 pages to build any case. There was just to much volume. I think that when ever someone got on to complain it was quickly buried pages by the time they were able to make a second comment.

And then he compliments the high posters (excluding Amp interestingly), saying that they are doing good for town.

Okral Lom, on 01 April 2014 - 02:51 PM, said:

Alkend, on 01 April 2014 - 02:48 PM, said:

I don't have much faith in day 1 signaling cases. The chimpanzee stuff is too easy to both happen and be misconstrued. Not gonna vote that way.

Galayn Lord seems really wishywashy to me, though. He's shifted his "target" focus a couple times. Seems like he implied at one point that he has no level 5 ability, which the OP says all townies have. Very suspicious. Not a ton to go on, but the best day 1 choice IMO.

Vote Galayn Lord

See I have liked how GL and Tiam have been pushing and prodding the game. It is some of the baahumbugs that I am disliking.

This comprises the totality of his direct interaction with GL.

Okral Lom, on 01 April 2014 - 04:37 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 01 April 2014 - 04:12 PM, said:

Galayn, here you go.

*snip of excess quotage*

Umm why are you talking in the third person?

But he definitely expends more energy in Tiam's direction with this and other posts (see above):

Okral Lom, on 01 April 2014 - 04:38 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 01 April 2014 - 04:27 PM, said:

Lock, on 01 April 2014 - 02:59 PM, said:

Alkend, on 01 April 2014 - 02:37 PM, said:

Lock, on 01 April 2014 - 01:31 PM, said:

Vote Alkend

Day 1, looking away from the loud people we get Alkend who checks in, comments on Tapper's acronym and then this post is their attempt at substance.

OMGUS!

Yes, that was an attempt at substance. Are you saying I should not try to post any substance? You would rather I just make "Checking in, but I have nothing to say" posts?

I'm saying your substance is lacking substance and therefore looks suspiciously like someone just trying to appear helpful without actually contributing.

I'm thinking Alkend has been one of the more astute players at this early juncture in the game. Thus, your suspicion of both them and Monok (which I still don't understand) make me suspicious of you.

Yeah I don't understand that vote either. I guess it is one of those everyone should be looked at votes. But it is just kind of tossed in there.

His one strong suspect is MO:

Okral Lom, on 01 April 2014 - 02:36 PM, said:

There seems to be a lot of banter back and forth over stuff that seemed pretty clearly labeled when I read the OP. I reached one post by MO and almost voted for him because he said

Monok Ochem, on 31 March 2014 - 04:06 PM, said:

Aha Amp you just fell into my trap!

I actually am half tempted to vote amp or GL already

Amp for the signalling hahahaha winky face, its a common trick to take the sting out of a reaching vote and pass it off as a joke

GL for blowing it entirely out of proportion and letting it smoke screen the thread for other to glide by, possible symp action

I just can't decide which of the scenarios is the more plausable

I find it mildly suspicious when people say hey look at those symps lets not look at who they are symping. Which if I read everything correctly was him.

The other thing that I dislike is the thought that in order to keep from leveling we need to eliminate the high posters. That makes for irritating games with no interaction. I took Tappers no spam warning as don't post but as don't do one word posts and or post lyrics to songs or the complete Iliad.

However, he ends up voting GL towards the end... with poorly explained reasoning, and even a change in his tactics from leaving the talkers be and instead just moving down the list of scumminess.

Okral Lom, on 01 April 2014 - 06:45 PM, said:

I am not going to be on when the day times out and while I haven't seen anything that screams I am scum (I personally like flashing lights that say "I am scum"). GL has managed to do enough to earn my vote for today. I think that the one thing we can learn from the last game is that if someone acts funny on day 1 they need to be lynched and then we lynch the rest of the people who are scummy.


Vote GL

My initial impression after this reread is that OL, despite his multiple posts, is actually not all that contributory. He definitely is watching the day closely, given some of his commentary and targeted posting, but he doesn't really push that hard against his main suspect MO nor does he expend much energy defending Tiam and GL (although he does try a little, which may be notable). I think one of the key points here is the conspicuous lack of interaction with two of the most talkative players on thread, with minimal direct conversation with GL. This makes me think he is keeping his distance, but seeing that GL was not one of his suspects, this is a weak link.

Let's move to day 2.

[Korabas]

Day 2 is a lot more about prodding people, calling them out on misunderstandings and errors without actually laying down a solid case:

Okral Lom, on 01 April 2014 - 08:17 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 01 April 2014 - 07:40 PM, said:

ok things i noticed

*excess quotage snip*

The monkey chained to a keyboard is an old reference related to spastic posting. It has long been used in games that involved leveling through posting.

See


The weird bolding is weird.

Okral Lom, on 01 April 2014 - 08:51 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 01 April 2014 - 06:18 PM, said:

13 alive.


3 hours, 32 minutes or thereabouts left.

4 votes on Galayn Lord (Rikkter, monok ochem, Alkend, Bek Okhan)
1 vote for Monok (Korabas)
1 vote for Bek Okhan (GL)
1 vote for Alkend ( Lock)

Eloth, on 01 April 2014 - 08:39 PM, said:

*excess quotage snip*

Shit fuck goddamn it. He was only at 4 when I was typing that.

So when you started to write that post and decided to vote for GL was over 2 hours ago, and you didn't think that other people would have voted especially with the EOD coming up. Hmmmm that smacks of bullshit.

Okral Lom, on 01 April 2014 - 08:52 PM, said:

Rikkter, on 01 April 2014 - 08:43 PM, said:

STFU, dickwads

Who are you talking too?

Okral Lom, on 01 April 2014 - 09:15 PM, said:

Alkend, on 01 April 2014 - 08:55 PM, said:

I haven't been watching the post numbers (I've been on phone in mobile version).

Rikkter actually has a point. Let's not post until Dawn, so scum will not reach level 3 before dawn (who knows, they could have day actions at level 3).

We're really close to 240 posts and probably will be even closer after I X-post this.

To be fully clear:

EVERYONE WHO DOES NOT WANT SCUM AT LEVEL 3 BEFORE DAWN STOP POSTING RIGHT NOW (DO NOT POST AN AGREEING COMMENT REPLY TO THIS!!!)

Just out of curiosity were did you learn how to count?

lv 1 = 120 posts
lv 2 = 240 posts
lv 3 = 360 posts or 4 dead now 3 need. That seems a bit overkill for a TMDI 2 game with only 13 players.

Okral Lom, on 01 April 2014 - 09:21 PM, said:

Eloth are you just being purposefully ignorant or is today your full of complete bullshit day.

Path-Shaper, on 01 April 2014 - 09:11 PM, said:

Everyone is level 2.
12 players live.
It is now day.

Eloth, on 01 April 2014 - 09:18 PM, said:

Okral Lom, on 01 April 2014 - 09:15 PM, said:

Alkend, on 01 April 2014 - 08:55 PM, said:

I haven't been watching the post numbers (I've been on phone in mobile version).

Rikkter actually has a point. Let's not post until Dawn, so scum will not reach level 3 before dawn (who knows, they could have day actions at level 3).

We're really close to 240 posts and probably will be even closer after I X-post this.

To be fully clear:

EVERYONE WHO DOES NOT WANT SCUM AT LEVEL 3 BEFORE DAWN STOP POSTING RIGHT NOW (DO NOT POST AN AGREEING COMMENT REPLY TO THIS!!!)

Just out of curiosity were did you learn how to count?

lv 1 = 120 posts
lv 2 = 240 posts
lv 3 = 360 posts or 4 dead now 3 need. That seems a bit overkill for a TMDI 2 game with only 13 players.

No, they went to level 3 on the 240th post.

He also is oddly exuberant and excessively excited about lynch of scum. I think in general, scum will consistently post their thrill at seeing a fellow teammate die thinking anything less would be suspicious. Not to say this is inconsistent with townie behavior, but it does need to be put into the gestalt.

Okral Lom, on 01 April 2014 - 09:12 PM, said:

*snip*


HAHA motherfucker that was actually scum.

Okral Lom, on 01 April 2014 - 09:16 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 01 April 2014 - 09:11 PM, said:

Everyone is level 2.
12 players live.
It is now day.

Ha nobody died and we got scum :gando:

Really, there is not much to OL on day 2, and he is absent for most of the day after predicting a busy day in RL. But, strangely, he doesn't leave any cases, votes, or even strong suspicions...

Okral Lom, on 01 April 2014 - 09:22 PM, said:

Ok I am out of here.

Okral Lom, on 02 April 2014 - 03:00 PM, said:

I am getting slammed at work today. I will try to get on with some thoughts later this afternoon.

[Korabas]

Day 3 becomes even more damning. OL starts with an apology, but just in case we were being to notice his lack of value, he throws this out:

Okral Lom, on 03 April 2014 - 02:01 PM, said:

Sorry about yesterday. RL was Hectic. Hopefully I will have a bit more time today. The day has started off better anyway. I haven't bothered to read up yet. I will try to do that as I go through the day. But I was thinking about the game and about Tappers wording in the OP and how GL's CF came up Henchman rather then scum. So I went back and read back over the OP and noticed this little gem.

Path-Shaper, on 31 March 2014 - 01:23 PM, said:

It is now the 31st of March, 2019.

Hong Kong. A field team is set to take out Hau Fat, a very persuasive Triad kingpin who controls half of the politicians in the city. The Ming Mastermind, as the tabloids call him. Opium, murder, stock fraud, human trafficking.

Let the games Beijing. Begin, I mean.

From what little I have read everyone is looking people that GL was signaling. I think that we are looking in the wrong place. The words Mastermind remind me of a Godfather role. For those of you who are unfamiliar with the Godfather role it is much like a reverse symp role. The leader knows his underlines but they don't know him. I think that we should be looking for people who were signaling GL not people GL was signaling. I was wrong work is crazy right now. It has taken me over an hour to put this together. I will try to read up through out the day.

Godfather role. The day hasn't let go of this concept and it opened up an entirely new way of trying to evaluate interactions, particularly with GL. But I harken back to our old, often forgotten adage: he who smelt it dealt it. People talk about what they know and it is an amazingly powerful way to catch scum in M&Ps or roled players in faction games. My take: what if OL is trying to get the attention of his mastermind. I mean, he could be also telling his other henchmen to look back through his posts, but I am leaning toward the sending out feelers approach. This post was his mistake in my opinion (especially in context of his game).

After dropping such a doozy of a theory, he returns to prodding and accusing, clarifying that he has no idea who do go after, but not really trying that hard to find the mastermind.

Okral Lom, on 03 April 2014 - 08:31 PM, said:

So I haven't been able to read up that much today. How much time is left in the day? I am only at my desk for another 45 minutes. Unfortunately I don't really have enough of a feel for anyone to drop a vote right now. The one thing I am wondering is not so much town having a vote blocking ability but why Bek felt the need to use it today. That seems to me like a pretty powerful ability to have at the end of the game.

Okral Lom, on 03 April 2014 - 09:06 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on 03 April 2014 - 08:51 PM, said:

Bek, can you use it again?

Why would you think that he could use it again? I assume that if someone can use something more then once then they are scum.

And again, a little too much kissing up, not unusual for town, but much like his victory lap around GL's lynch. Put it into context.

Okral Lom, on 04 April 2014 - 02:13 PM, said:

Rikkter, on 04 April 2014 - 07:49 AM, said:

"The time is not yet right!"

There we go, 31 hours or so left. Now those people who have time, damned well sit down and build good cases.

As I said, I'm not around much at all but now may have some time tomorrow - time we now have depending on how PS handles a non-timing out day over weekend.


edit:corrected colour tags

Smart move.

Interestingly, OL is really starting to put out in terms of solid posts towards the end of today (I guess coinciding with increased scrutiny). But he still plays both sides of the accusations, supporting and tearing into BO, feeding the Denul debate, etc. In the end though, he comes down on the fence, not voting, not standing on a case, but rather pot-shotting from the side.

Okral Lom, on 04 April 2014 - 02:27 PM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 03 April 2014 - 11:06 PM, said:

*excessive quotage snip*

It was clear they'd be told. I wanted to see how they'd treat it. Revealing a vote block wasn't a problem. we'd have all sat trying to figure it out and examine Eloth ask questions, basically whats happening to me. what screwed the pooch was your highlighting my worries scum had a similar power and the last vote may get intercepted as I believe scum could do. I did not say it though, till after you'd voted as I had no plan to use my vote block. only after Korabas built a case on Eloth did I think maybe Eloth was flying under the radar and needed that pressure.

In my mind a vote block on a gray player encouraged the group to pressure that player. if there was a slip up to be made they'd need to be worried.

A vote block for town is unusual/ how would you use it end game? blocking a vote on a train just makes the train look scummier. And it would be revisited.

If you were at the end of the game and you were pretty sure that there was two scum left and you wanted to make sure that they couldn't get someone to vote with them and then hammer. You could block the vote on one of the players. Thus preventing that probable scum from being able to hammer a inadvertent town vote. See last game for an example.

In my mind that is as powerful as tool at the end of game as a guard can be. But hey that might just be me. Of course the issue with holding on to it and not using it right away is that you might die and not use it. I do have a little bit of an issue with you thinking that you had an action that could be used more then once. Since it was pretty carefully stated in the OP and was a topic of conversation in regards to how town posting strategy for day 1 and 2. It strikes me as very slopping reading time after time.

Okral Lom, on 04 April 2014 - 02:57 PM, said:

Denul, on 04 April 2014 - 02:34 PM, said:

BUt that wouldn't actually do anything! It would just make it go to Night and then the killers would kill and the game would end the exact same way. It's a useless ability for a town player to have, as far as I can tell. Perhaps I'll eat my words when I get to SH and see what else is actually going on, but I just don't see a vote block being a town ability.

That being said, my level 5 ability has given me information that makes me believe that one of either you or Bek are scum, and my money's on Bek, specially if he has, as he has said, a vote blocking ability.

Did you see the end of the last game at all? There was 3 town all of whom though that there was a pretty good chance that the other were town. Then there were two scum who were seen by all 3 as being scummy. One of the town voted for another and then the second scum came on and hammered. With a vote block in town hands one of those scum would have for sure been denied the ability to vote. Thus leaving the voting amount at 3 town and 1 scum. Thus preventing a quick scum game. Seems pretty straight forward to me. You would only go to night if the town were stupid enough to vote for night or to let the day time out.

Okral Lom, on 04 April 2014 - 03:00 PM, said:

Denul, on 04 April 2014 - 02:34 PM, said:

That being said, my level 5 ability has given me information that makes me believe that one of either you or Bek are scum, and my money's on Bek, specially if he has, as he has said, a vote blocking ability.

That is kind of funny as Bek is going after you pretty hard for being tied to GL. I am still trying to get a feel for the thread. There have been a lot of scummy comments tossed out and about. It is tough to tie them into a cohesive pattern.

[Korabas]

We do need to really hear from OL. But frankly, there is enough for me to place a vote:

Vote OL.

If he does something extra-townie like Rikkter did, maybe I'll just hang up my sleuthing hat and then hang my head in shame.

[Korabas]

Well, apparently I've driven everyone off I thought for once I'd have someone to converse with.

Don't mind me dearies, I'll just sit in the dark, here in this corner, with my cold cup of tea, shivering under my blanket.

[Eloth]

Korabas, on 06 April 2014 - 09:15 PM, said:

Well, apparently I've driven everyone off I thought for once I'd have someone to converse with.

Don't mind me dearies, I'll just sit in the dark, here in this corner, with my cold cup of tea, shivering under my blanket.

I was going to say arigato but according to the world clock I definitely have you alted incorrectly.

If nothing else your sleuthing hat has PI did my book. I simply cannot imagine scum doing that much work. The only nit that I have to pick with it is I have a (very small) sneaking suspicion that a vote on OL is what Denul and BO are working for.

Edit: that should say has PI'd you in my book. I'm trying to learn to talk to my iPad and it doesn't respond well at times.

This post has been edited by Eloth: 06 April 2014 - 09:38 PM

[Eloth]

I can't vote so I can't do it but I'd love to see somebody drop one on Ampels and see if he pops out of the woodwork. But it's the weekend so expecting people to be around is sort of stupid. We are not all complete addicts.

[Korabas]

Eloth, on 06 April 2014 - 09:33 PM, said:

Korabas, on 06 April 2014 - 09:15 PM, said:

Well, apparently I've driven everyone off I thought for once I'd have someone to converse with.

Don't mind me dearies, I'll just sit in the dark, here in this corner, with my cold cup of tea, shivering under my blanket.

I was going to say arigato but according to the world clock I definitely have you alted incorrectly.

If nothing else your sleuthing hat has PI did my book. I simply cannot imagine scum doing that much work. The only nit that I have to pick with it is I have a (very small) sneaking suspicion that a vote on OL is what Denul and BO are working for.

Edit: that should say has PI'd you in my book. I'm trying to learn to talk to my iPad and it doesn't respond well at times.

That would be kind of odd given how little they seem to say about OL... The only case I've seen on OL is from Lock, which amounted to quoting all his posts and saying, "Hmmm, not much here."

Do you think that this spat/quarrel between Denul and BO is a set up then?

[Eloth]

Korabas, on 06 April 2014 - 09:41 PM, said:

Eloth, on 06 April 2014 - 09:33 PM, said:

Korabas, on 06 April 2014 - 09:15 PM, said:

Well, apparently I've driven everyone off I thought for once I'd have someone to converse with.

Don't mind me dearies, I'll just sit in the dark, here in this corner, with my cold cup of tea, shivering under my blanket.

I was going to say arigato but according to the world clock I definitely have you alted incorrectly.

If nothing else your sleuthing hat has PI did my book. I simply cannot imagine scum doing that much work. The only nit that I have to pick with it is I have a (very small) sneaking suspicion that a vote on OL is what Denul and BO are working for.

Edit: that should say has PI'd you in my book. I'm trying to learn to talk to my iPad and it doesn't respond well at times.

That would be kind of odd given how little they seem to say about OL... The only case I've seen on OL is from Lock, which amounted to quoting all his posts and saying, "Hmmm, not much here."

Do you think that this spat/quarrel between Denul and BO is a set up then?

Think? No. Fear that is? Yeah. Just gut. They're both addressing each other, but then they both fail to answer each other's questions directly. *shrug*

Rikkter gothers me because he's been so damn polite. Gut.

MO. It's the weekend and he was obviously on a trip, but he seems to have been left out of this weekend's conversation completely. It's like somebody's signature that says "you just forget he's there..."

Edit: okay Siri, what the fuck is a gothers?

This post has been edited by Eloth: 06 April 2014 - 10:01 PM

[Eloth]

@BO. Speaking of questions that were not answer directly, you agreed with me that there might be a recruiter and you said you had a suspicion of who it was and who might have been recruited. care to share?

[Korabas]

You should build some cases then. Gut isn't good enough with so few days left.

[Eloth]

Tiamatha, on 03 April 2014 - 12:52 AM, said:

I have been a bad townie. A very, very bad townie.


Aside from trying to get us to 600 posts, I haven't been playing the game.


I put out the grouchy gorilla line because I knew that commenting on an alt's features always stirs up accusations of signalling, and Galayn and Ampelas were sooo obliging in taking it further. I made the comment about Ampelas should be voting for Monok for the same reasons, because I knew it would get people talking about Monok.

I wanted to see Monok lynched from the beginning. I supported him on day 1 because I wanted those feelings of me symp to his master to grow.

Unfortunately, Galayn first being unable to avoid the spotlight, and then turning out to be scum (and I really, truly didn't think that would happen) really put a huge spanner in the works. So I tried, half-heartedly, a different tactic today.


In my read-up of Galayn, I found a fair few posts which would suggest that he and Monok are not linked. I, of course, ignored those and didn't bring them up.



Having said all that, this is not me saying that Monok is inno. The posts suggest he might be, but nothing is certain. In any case, that was not why I was throwing in things which would attract suspicion his way.

Khell, if you do not turn out to be a symp I'm going to crawl through the screen, cut your fingers off, take all the cartilage out of them, tie it all into a long rope, and hang you by your balls. Then I'll think of something creative to do.

[Eloth]

Korabas, on 06 April 2014 - 10:02 PM, said:

You should build some cases then. Gut isn't good enough with so few days left.

Oh I'm definitely going to. If nothing else I want to dig out some of the questions that have been asked of Ampelas, OL and Lock(?). Several interesting ones if I recall correctly have got lost in the day two clutter and then here over the weekend.

[Bek Okhan]

Eloth, on 06 April 2014 - 10:00 PM, said:

@BO. Speaking of questions that were not answer directly, you agreed with me that there might be a recruiter and you said you had a suspicion of who it was and who might have been recruited. care to share?

Firstly Korabas your read on OL was good. I have a better picture of him in general.

Ok on to recruiter and recruit. I think GL was recruiting Denul. This is prior to the old game rereads. I felt GL had activated a condition on thread that made Denul a new recruit. That oy bolding really felt like a subtle use of ability. Only MO has had weirder out of context text. Its why i assume with henchman dead further recruitment unlikely. As a recruiter with on thread actions It forced GL to be shady and kinda balanced things in my mind.

The idea of a recruiter is one way to look at the TMDi shift. Im imagining many scenarios at the moment and will avoid adding too much speculation on thread but basically this.

Any other questions i may have missed im happy to answer.

[Bek Okhan]

Denul, on 06 April 2014 - 07:27 PM, said:

Tapper, on 03 April 2014 - 02:25 PM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 03 April 2014 - 02:10 PM, said:

Lock, on 03 April 2014 - 11:27 AM, said:

Monok Ochem, on 03 April 2014 - 08:15 AM, said:

slammed for the next hour at work, at tea time will elabourate.

could the survivng RI from the EU and the surviving RI from Asia make themselves known like today, thus we can wrap this up

From the OP

Second rule: no reveals of nationalities or of powers you do not yet have

Reading this again doesn't this just mean you cannot reveal powers you dont have or nationalities you dont have?

I like to scrutinize rules, part of my job. Mr path shaper sir, could you clear this up for us all thanks.

No nationalities, period.
Powers; once you have (used) a power, you can reveal it.

I think that's pretty clear.

Oh ok so you cannot lie about your reveal either. that is very interesting.

Strange you aren't playing that card...

Well ok that makes it certain you and OL are in the same faction as me doesn't it? I actually still doubt you though but thats actually put things in a new light doesn't it? I actually wonder now as Eloth and Korabas have started to suspect this to be a move to PI yourself and by inference myself.

Well thing is you did answer my question correctly earlier. Thoughts of Recruitment were really the only thing I felt might make you scum as like I said, your avoidance of modkill and absence of Day 1 NA drew one set of conclusions. I'm still frustrated with you but I am now starting to atleast believe your Reveal. I'm thinking hard about this but our history aside OL is looking scummier than you atm.

Are votes before day begins still counted? I was under the impression they werent but then Korabas just voted so...?

[Eloth]

Can somebody help me please? Somebody, and at first I thought it was Ampelas then I thought it was Tia, said something to the effect of "when town got their ability if they used it correctly". I tried to find it and just got lost in reading.

[Bek Okhan]

you mean this one?

[Eloth]

Bek Okhan, on 06 April 2014 - 11:06 PM, said:

Eloth, on 06 April 2014 - 10:00 PM, said:

@BO. Speaking of questions that were not answer directly, you agreed with me that there might be a recruiter and you said you had a suspicion of who it was and who might have been recruited. care to share?

Firstly Korabas your read on OL was good. I have a better picture of him in general.

Ok on to recruiter and recruit. I think GL was recruiting Denul. This is prior to the old game rereads. I felt GL had activated a condition on thread that made Denul a new recruit. That oy bolding really felt like a subtle use of ability. Only MO has had weirder out of context text. Its why i assume with henchman dead further recruitment unlikely. As a recruiter with on thread actions It forced GL to be shady and kinda balanced things in my mind.

The idea of a recruiter is one way to look at the TMDi shift. Im imagining many scenarios at the moment and will avoid adding too much speculation on thread but basically this.

Any other questions i may have missed im happy to answer.

Recruiter and recruit: I sriously doubt the henchman would be the recruiter. That seems to be a role that Hau Fat would play, no?

Ok, happily answer this one please: there has been one use of an ability triggered by on thread phrasing. Neither the vote block on me nor Denul's claimed ability required such. Why for do you think that scum would use trigger phrases??