[Tiamatha]

600!

[Tiamatha]

Just so you guys know, I won't be voting for myself. I only do that if I'm scum trying a last-ditch tactic to get out of the lynch by playing the hissy-fit townie

[Bek Okhan]

Hmmmn I personally arent going to reply to your response. obvious bias might come through. I will leave others to read your case and mine and make a decision:

Part 1
http://forum.malazan...ost__p__1117267

Part 2
http://forum.malazan...ost__p__1117275

[Tiamatha]

Tiamatha, on 03 April 2014 - 12:24 AM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 03 April 2014 - 12:21 AM, said:

2. I don't. I just looked at you the hardest. I've made several other cases. Good ones perhaps? thats for others to judge. I'm looking at several people closely. You did not look at GL closely. all the markers for scum were there. it makes you either really REALLY bad town or obstinant scum. either way I think towns better off wthout you. not being able to read GL as atleast a little scummy makes you a liability.

Bek, this is the best thing you've posted so far. I'm actually grinning. Sigh. Ok, after I'm done with your case, I may have a further comment to make on this.

Ok, so this post will prompt a little confession on my part now

[Bek Okhan]

Also I'm tired. glad you built up a case response Tiam.

600! woohoo. I'm out for the day. hope people feel free to vote now. I'll be asleep, think I did my part and I need some shut eye.

[Bek Okhan]

Tiamatha, on 03 April 2014 - 12:44 AM, said:

Tiamatha, on 03 April 2014 - 12:24 AM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 03 April 2014 - 12:21 AM, said:

2. I don't. I just looked at you the hardest. I've made several other cases. Good ones perhaps? thats for others to judge. I'm looking at several people closely. You did not look at GL closely. all the markers for scum were there. it makes you either really REALLY bad town or obstinant scum. either way I think towns better off wthout you. not being able to read GL as atleast a little scummy makes you a liability.

Bek, this is the best thing you've posted so far. I'm actually grinning. Sigh. Ok, after I'm done with your case, I may have a further comment to make on this.

Ok, so this post will prompt a little confession on my part now

Oh yeah?

[Tiamatha]

I have been a bad townie. A very, very bad townie.


Aside from trying to get us to 600 posts, I haven't been playing the game.


I put out the grouchy gorilla line because I knew that commenting on an alt's features always stirs up accusations of signalling, and Galayn and Ampelas were sooo obliging in taking it further. I made the comment about Ampelas should be voting for Monok for the same reasons, because I knew it would get people talking about Monok.

I wanted to see Monok lynched from the beginning. I supported him on day 1 because I wanted those feelings of me symp to his master to grow.

Unfortunately, Galayn first being unable to avoid the spotlight, and then turning out to be scum (and I really, truly didn't think that would happen) really put a huge spanner in the works. So I tried, half-heartedly, a different tactic today.


In my read-up of Galayn, I found a fair few posts which would suggest that he and Monok are not linked. I, of course, ignored those and didn't bring them up.



Having said all that, this is not me saying that Monok is inno. The posts suggest he might be, but nothing is certain. In any case, that was not why I was throwing in things which would attract suspicion his way.

[Tiamatha]

And I would do it all again!


Stupid Galayn.

[Bek Okhan]

Ok...cool.

Well I'm off, see you Day 3 probably ...or not. either way glad you were on to push for L5 regardless of how I disagree with your content.

Cheers.

[Tiamatha]

Heh, if I'm not lynched, I can already hear those one-time ability vigs being pointed my way

[Korabas]

Godsake, 600. and now my headaches from squinting at my phone through all that "dialogue." I'm not sure how to process such volume without a reread or five, but from what I've seen on Tiam, even that last ditch effort to admit fake symping someone (or was he?), i can get behind this vote. i will say i am concerned that so many posts were expended on one individual when we have so many other people, such as myself, unexamined (unless you count MO's omgus case).

so first:
vote tiam

and i'll continue rereading on my bus ride home. forgive me if i can't reach the heights displayed today.

[Korabas]

Ugh, this is going to be complicated. day 2 is when things start getting muddy, especially in a spam fest like this. i think now that we located a noisy, messy scum person we should also begin glancing through the more squeaky clean and forgetable players, both talkative and quiet. i really don't want to let go of my hardon for MO until i can get a climax, but i figure i am doing bo favors not looking through the remainder of the line up. i'll try to piece together a case in a bit, and just work through some info while we wait for lynch/day's-end.

[Kessobahn]

I'm on the suck end of a 14 hour work day so I am going to crash

I felt Tiam possible scum for a while, and am still uncertain but it is unlikely that anyone else will prove Lynch able at this time

His confession of screwing with us makes me feel like he is less than helpful - and I don't see that as a town move

You guys can decide his fate

vote Tiam

Edit: stupid tablet bolding

This post has been edited by Kessobahn: 03 April 2014 - 01:46 AM

[Korabas]

so even though he's taken some heat already, i started with eloth. so far my read is of someone clumsily working through the game, bumbling and fucking up left an right. he hammers by accident, gets mixed up on the general posts = level count, and while talkative, doesn't provide much in the way of substance. if town, he is a busy person who isn't paying close enough attention. if scum, he could be making the classic mistake of just coasting along trying to let town eat itself up.

i need some quotes, but i need a home computer first. i am almost home tho.

[Korabas]

Here is the beloved quote vomiting that I'm sure everyone reads carefully, several times memorizing the content before developing a well thought out reply.

Day 1 Eloth is not all that impressive. Misunderstands the OP, fucks up the lynch, and makes sure he is on the train of a scum player.

Eloth, on 01 April 2014 - 01:20 AM, said:

Ampelas, on 01 April 2014 - 01:01 AM, said:

problems i have with bek ---

misunderstands the OP. this almost has to be deliberate. seriously? you think that each player is going to rack up 500+ posts in this game? he may be confused by what seems to be insinuated by p-s - which is that although everyone levels up at 120 posts aggregate and 4 deaths aggregate (go ahead and argue 4 deaths per player, bek....), there also must be some kind of mechanic that allows certain players to level up outside of these two ways. otherwise why would p-s bother posting who is at what level at the beginning of day and night? it would be pointless if we all already knew we were on the same level all the time. so there must be something hidden here and bek is not only missing it but he jumped off the deep end without a lifejacket in the wrong direction

his refusal to show back up and talk. this is as bad as the first one. i don't care if you think your right or whatever, i don't think we (as malazan mafia players) are willing to afford anyone the luxury of showing up with one post, making a bad case on bad information, dropping a vote, and peacing out with no intention of returning unless his other lynch targets are possible trains. this is so arrogant as to border on stupid.

^^ the underlined. The OP not only suggests that individuals can level up outside the post count & fatality rate mechanisms it basically screams that such method is tied to the character origin state/continent/federation.

Eloth, on 01 April 2014 - 01:23 AM, said:

The individual leveling posit is argument enough for reaching 120 posts on day one. (Which is guaranteed at this point).

I'm still not sure what Eloth was getting at with the above two posts. People leveling up faster than others? And that the OP suggests this? Dunno. Either confused town or scum muddying the waters.

Path-Shaper, on 01 April 2014 - 08:37 PM, said:

13 alive.


1 hours, 20 minutes or thereabouts left.

6 votes on Galayn Lord (Rikkter, monok ochem, Alkend, Bek Okhan, Okral Lom, Ampelas)
1 vote for Monok (Korabas)
1 vote for Bek Okhan (GL)
1 vote for Alkend ( Lock)

Eloth, on 01 April 2014 - 08:39 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 01 April 2014 - 06:01 AM, said:

To clear up: the anti-spam wording is to prevent 999 bottles of beer posts.

There is no levelling mechanic outside that already posted. All players will have the same level at all times.

At the start of each phase, I will say "everyone is now level X".

I'm happy to see that I was only half full of shit. At that particular time.

*excess quotage snip*

GL seems to be pushing to level as fast as possible regardless of day/night interactions. Level 2 was a sure thing. But we're getting very close to level 3 before day times out. That conflicts the hell out of me. I want a lynch but I'm not convinced of the case on GL. The signaling case is as good as any signaling case, meaning total bollocks.
Further discussion puts us into level 3. So I'm going to hold my nose and
Vote GL
Oops. While I was typing that, Alkend's stupid question reaks of padding. But ...

Vote GL

Wait, wait, rewind. Makes sure he is on the train. Could Eloth have hammered, even though such an action would draw attention, to prove townie-ness by bringing down scum? I would bet dollars to dimes scum was on GL's train for such a reason, but either very early in the train, before it had any notion of picking up steam, or very late, when the train was already running at full tilt. Keep in mind that Rikkter, OL, and Amp also fall into this suspect pool. I plan on at least addressing the first 2 later, if I have a chance.

Eloth, on 01 April 2014 - 09:18 PM, said:

Okral Lom, on 01 April 2014 - 09:15 PM, said:

Alkend, on 01 April 2014 - 08:55 PM, said:

I haven't been watching the post numbers (I've been on phone in mobile version).

Rikkter actually has a point. Let's not post until Dawn, so scum will not reach level 3 before dawn (who knows, they could have day actions at level 3).

We're really close to 240 posts and probably will be even closer after I X-post this.

To be fully clear:

EVERYONE WHO DOES NOT WANT SCUM AT LEVEL 3 BEFORE DAWN STOP POSTING RIGHT NOW (DO NOT POST AN AGREEING COMMENT REPLY TO THIS!!!)

Just out of curiosity were did you learn how to count?

lv 1 = 120 posts
lv 2 = 240 posts
lv 3 = 360 posts or 4 dead now 3 need. That seems a bit overkill for a TMDI 2 game with only 13 players.

No, they went to level 3 on the 240th post.

Eloth, on 01 April 2014 - 09:24 PM, said:

Ok, I am dim. They're at level 2 and the post that put them there is a PS night resolution???

And then early day 2, in addition to getting defensive over his early hammer, here is more OP/game mechanics misunderstanding. As I said, kind of a bumbling start.

[Korabas]

Day 2, To be fair, Eloth's game play improves markedly. He seems to contribute a lot more and gets involved in the hot topics. Below are some representative quotes to capture this uptick.

Eloth, on 01 April 2014 - 09:49 PM, said:

*Excess quotage snip*

Rikkter, on 01 April 2014 - 09:44 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 01 April 2014 - 09:05 AM, said:

Vote Denul

Get your arse online boy.

Now we have a CF this does need a closer look at. I noticed this first time round however refrained from commenting for my own reasons. This could be one of two things - signalling or distraction. By putting the bold in GL may have been looking for something to stir up some talk, good towny talk about what it could mean, who it could be aimed at etc, padding the post count with people thinking they're doing the right thing. I'm inclined towards the latter but would like to hear other thoughts on it. In no way do I think it an innocent slip - as someone else said, you just can't bold it without making an effort

I did think it was a mistake. I've done similar myself. Bolded the text, realized that some didn't need to be bolded, highlighted that text, unbolded, missed a couple of letters and didn't notice.

But with the CF I am less inclined to think accident. But if signaling, who? Assuming you're correct about the off thread comms any signal would have to be aimed at a third player, no?

Eloth, on 01 April 2014 - 10:05 PM, said:

Also: do we go balls out for level 5 today? I'm in the camp that says yes. But 340 more posts is going to be a bitch without spamming.

Eloth, Tiam and Rikkter's speculation on the lack of night kill also raises my eyebrows a little. I always perk up a little when people start trying to figure out enemy abilities. Enemies love talking about themselves. This is a quick thought, just to put into the gestalt that is Eloth.

Eloth, on 01 April 2014 - 10:26 PM, said:

Rikkter, on 01 April 2014 - 10:20 PM, said:

Eloth, on 01 April 2014 - 10:17 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 01 April 2014 - 10:13 PM, said:

The no kill is also interesting. I can't imagine that scum didn't have an NK.

Well, if we start with the assumption that strength goes up with levels, then there's a good chance the person with the the NK was GL. 'Henchman'.

If it is so then shouldn't the partner have carried out the NK with the death of GL?

I'm thinking that the NK alternates between two people until level X is reached. Or that there was/is only one killer to start with. Etc.

For power ups to mean anything requires that the teams start weak.

Eloth, on 01 April 2014 - 11:11 PM, said:

Rikkter, on 01 April 2014 - 10:30 PM, said:

Good point this is a Tapper game after all. However traditionally town/scum games run with killer(s) and symps - were it a lone killer in GL then it'd be game over already.

You must be drunk? Tapper and traditional do not go well together.


Just had a thought about Amp. Why did you leave GL on L-1 if you thought he was going to defend himself?

Eloth, on 02 April 2014 - 02:35 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 02 April 2014 - 01:31 PM, said:

19 hours and 35 minutes left.

12 alive: Alkend, Ampelas, Bek Okhan, Denul, Eloth, Korabas, Kessobahn, Lock, Monok Ochem, Okral Lom, Rikkter, Tiamatha.

7 for a lynch, 6 for night.

No votes yet.

---------

To clear up some of the faction/alignment worries:
the factions in the game are "town" and "scum".

Each town player has [name] - [continent/federation/nation/something else] - RI in their PM header.
Scum has [name] - [continent/federation/nation/something else] - [something else] in their PM header.

The [continent/federation/nation/something else] is NOT a faction, but it might be used for abilities, say:

Quote

Manneke Pis - Belgium - RI

Your abilities:
Level 0: nothing
Level 1: nothing
Level 2: nothing
Level 3: nothing
Level 4: nothing
Level 5: one-time day action: you and all other players from Belgium have a beer.

Slight nit that needs picked (for my own clarification if no one else's): at the lynch everyone was at level one and your post #240 pushed us to level two? You didn't announce the level at the end of day one.

In my evaluation of Eloth, this quote below seems the most townie of them all. He starts questioning his initial paradigm, shifting view points and arguing another side when the expedient thing for scum to do is encourage tunnel-vision, especially if it is looking completely in the wrong direction.

Eloth, on 02 April 2014 - 03:29 PM, said:

We're putting a fair bit of weight on that GL initial post being a screw up. I think Rikkter is right about it though. It fits both Occam's razor and Murphy's first law. (Google is your friend if you don't know what either of those are.)

GL, who turns out to be a henchman, has/had off thread comms with somebody. They wanted to code something. Apparently with the letter A.

I'm going to suggest that it was for targeting purposes. Why would they need to do that if they already had comms? What if the comms were conditional? Power ups need a power to up. Level 0 they could only talk at night. Notice that PS edited the OP to say that the game would start in forty minutes. Was that a response to a plea from GL or his corespondent to let them talk a bit be fore the game started? If so, that helps explain why an experienced player would make that initial post screwup more plausible.

I'm going to add to this but want to get that thought out there because it certainly changes the interpretations of some posts if we assume they could not talk during the day.

And finally, below, is the reasoning that leads to Eloth standing by a Tiam lynch. I find it interesting how he mulls over MO, Denul, Amp, and Okral, but settles down on Tiam not MO. Again, I am very suspicious of MO given how he is suspicious but somehow seems to avoid getting more than two votes at a time. But I digress.

Eloth, on 02 April 2014 - 09:15 PM, said:

Had to go out. Back now with some quick thoughts on the more recent posts.

I had the same thought ref Denul and no NK, but for now I'll stick with my theory that GL had the only NK for levels 0 and 1.

Amp (and Orkal) have me bothered a bit due to their non-removal of a GL vote with an hour left. If it was so important to hear the man out why leave him at L-1 and at the mercy of anyone driving by? And then they disappeared after the CF.

I hate signalling cases but the gorilla thing is such an obvous one. But was it intended to paint a target on MO or deflect from him? I currently think the former.

GL had to have realized that somebody would pick up on that initial post eventually. So I'm leery of connections based on the letter "a". Could the 'mistake' with the bolding on "boy" be an attempt to tell whomever to change letters? "b" would be the obvious one.

Of course, if he had off thread comms with somebody else, why need signalling in the first place?? Again, I'll stick with my theory that said comms are limited in some way initially.

If we're going to try to make it to level 5 today we might want to consider whether we want to place votes so early on. I don't want to go into night 2 and day 3 with us at level 4.

I'm going to go back and look at GL's posts with the thought in mind that he was in damage control mode.

For now, if were to vote it would be Tia.

So for those skimming along, here are my end conclusions:

Eloth could be scum, but unlikely given his day 2 play.

I do think that we need to keep an eye on those part of the Day 1 lynch train, largely because voting for scum when you know they're scum is a great way to give yourself a townie badge, however subconscious in the mind of others. I also will wait to see how the Tiam lynch turns out and hopefully cross analyze it against Eloth's thought process, but that may be a bit ambitious at this current juncture.

[Korabas]

Unfortunately, it is getting late here, so I will defer the other cases until another time. Hopefully I'll catch the talkative crowd next time they rev things up.

[Alkend]

Hey, sorry I was gone most of the day. Back and catching up now.

[Ampelas]

fuck it is late, that took a lot longer than i thought. am i right in saying we have 30 minutes left?

[Alkend]

Bek Okhan, on 02 April 2014 - 09:52 PM, said:

Rikkter, on 02 April 2014 - 09:44 PM, said:

Rikkter, on 02 April 2014 - 09:43 PM, said:

Monok Ochem, on 31 March 2014 - 02:35 PM, said:

lets pull up a sandbag and chat about the fucking war shall we?

next you asshats will be high fiving each other over the 'fucking eaters'



fifth or something

This one?

Anyone understand this reference? I've got nothing

uh think its The first Law. Think the bloody nine and Biaz

I'm sure some people in SH are or will be having aneurysms about this post.