[Okral Lom]

Lock, on 05 April 2014 - 01:05 AM, said:

Or scum are merely sprinkled amongst the factions, like GL. That might be why we can't reveal, if certain factions have "too many" people or something. I

Based on previous tapper games I think that this is the most likely.

[Okral Lom]

Eloth, on 05 April 2014 - 02:33 PM, said:

Ok, given your breakdown of 10 and 3 and suspicion that GL might not have been scum, then we are currently at 7 town 3 scum Lynch town, NK 1 brings us to 5/3 tomorrow, making it potentially D-Day.

That' same mighty bleak assessment.

Edit: that's a mighty bleak assessment.

This is why Eloth thought we were potentially at D day. This is going to be an irritating read up I can tell.

[Okral Lom]

Rikkter, on 05 April 2014 - 02:10 PM, said:

Eloth, on 05 April 2014 - 02:06 PM, said:

Rikkter, on 05 April 2014 - 02:00 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 05 April 2014 - 01:29 PM, said:

As for Syndicate... Spycraft 1, 2 and 2.5 were about spies versus the Madame Marichord syndicate.
Hau Fat is not a member of the Syndicate, he's Triad. Different type of gangster.

So a non-symp scum CF would say Triad?

Are you fishing for info or trying to muddy the waters?

Or just trying to figure out what the fuck Tiamatha was doing? (I personally have a hard time believing that he'd just fuck around like that.)

Trying to find out if GL was actually scum or not

Boy did you just jump up the list. Tiam was Khell. Of course he would fuck around like that.

[Kessobahn]

be sure to post an objective summary

I worked all weekend and all week and all weekend and all week and all weekend and all week (that's what it feels like anyway)

[Okral Lom]

Kessobahn, on 07 April 2014 - 02:22 PM, said:

be sure to post an objective summary

I worked all weekend and all week and all weekend and all week and all weekend and all week (that's what it feels like anyway)

That sucks.

[Denul]

Okral Lom, on 07 April 2014 - 02:12 PM, said:

Denul, on 07 April 2014 - 02:09 PM, said:

Okral Lom, on 07 April 2014 - 01:56 PM, said:

Denul, on 07 April 2014 - 01:43 PM, said:

Okral Lom, on 07 April 2014 - 01:34 PM, said:

Eloth seemed to be convinced that Bek was scum and that he was going to get recruited. So rather then play for town like he should he went off and vigged Bek. I am pretty sure after only a glance that you and Bek are to blame for Eloth thinking that he was going to get recruited. The poor guy probably forgot that there was 25 hours left in the day once the weekend was over.

Is it wrong that I find it slightly funny that Beks prevented Eloth from voting and then Eloth killed him. Come on it is a little funny.

Wait, what? He was scum AND going to get recruited? Are you implying town have a recruit now?

Are you high? I really have to ask because your kind of acting like your high?

In simple words.
Eloth though that he was going to be recruited
Eloth thought that Beks was scum
Eloth suicided Beks to prevent his suicided from falling into the wrong hands. They still would have been his hands but hey that is an issue that he gets to take up with his god.

You and Beks seemed to convince Eloth that there was a recruited in the game and that recruitment was the only way this game was balanced. You did this because one of you are scum ( as scum are the only people who randomly toss out completely off the wall ideas and try to make everything much harder then it needs to be) or you where both the most retarded town that I have ever had the misfortune to have to play with.

Why are you throwing my name in there? I never once mentioned a recruit, nor discussed its possibility.

You were on at the time that it was being talked about and interacting with the people talking about it and you didn't tell them to go fuck off. Thus your as guilty as they are. You want to post a lot of bullshit you have to take the blame when some of it snaps back and bites you.

So by not being involved whatsoever in the conversation about recruitment, I'm somehow involved in the conversation about recruitment? That's some convoluted shit, yo.

[Lock]

Ok, I'll admit, I'm just happy Bek is dead, because he was batshit insane.

And "I'm busy and mafaiz is no interesting for my amazing lifezorz" does not mean a free pass from scumdar.

[Okral Lom]

Lock, on 07 April 2014 - 02:33 PM, said:

Ok, I'll admit, I'm just happy Bek is dead, because he was batshit insane.

And "I'm busy and mafaiz is no interesting for my amazing lifezorz" does not mean a free pass from scumdar.

I am not asking for one. Just saying that complaining about lack of posting over a weekend ("When he has plenty of time to post") is going to get angry posts when I get back on.

[Ampelas]

ok, i am around off and on now. will be reading up

[Okral Lom]

Rikkter, on 05 April 2014 - 08:38 AM, said:

Lock, on 05 April 2014 - 12:50 AM, said:

Yeah, so that makes 5 factions +scum. (Unless of course one of those non- US, EU, Asia factions is all scum). What factions existed in previous spycrafts?

SpyCRAFT 2.5: Syndicate (3 x Setry, 3 x Bodyguard, 1 x Henchman, 2 x Doppelganger), Spy (Chinese x 2, Japanese x 1)
SpyCFRAT 2.0: US x 3, China x 4, EU x 4, Japan x 3, Russia x 3, Syndicate x 5
SpyCRAFT 1.0: Syndicate x 4, Russia x 4, British x 2, French x 3, US x 4


Worth noting from 2.5 is this PM:

Path-Shaper, on 15 March 2011 - 07:39 AM, said:

Roles:

Ruse:

Quote

Heinke Glömstrom – SYNDICATE – BODYGUARD – ASSASSIN

Special: if this character is not killed during this game, she will give the scum a distinct advantage in Spycraft 3.

Level 0:
Otto's Henchwoman (N, Info): passive. You know the identity of Otto, Madame Marichords regional commander (Liosan).
Level 1:
Stick to the Shadows (B, Proof): passive. you have 1 Bullet Proof that you can give to Otto as a day or night action, if you like.
Level 2:
No extra abilities.

Ruse survived.


Also, really quite worth noting is the CFs have all been nationalities. From 2.5 again:

Path-Shaper, on 19 March 2011 - 10:34 AM, said:

That is five votes for Ampelas.

Ampelas is dead. He was Mentalist, and Haratori Nomaki – Japanese Spy

--------------------<>-------------------

Merrid is dead. He was Tattersail and Captain James Min-He - Chinese Spy.
Korabas is dead. He was Vengeance and Sylester Tsung - Syndicate.

I have a nasty suspicion that we haven't actually hit scum yet, GL coming up as Henchman notwithstanding

This is one of the scummiest posts I have seen so far this game. In what world does henchman not equate to scum. It should be pretty obvious to everyone that henchman = scum. Give us one example of someone ever in any fiction or film being called a henchman and not being scum. You can't find it. Good guy helpers are always the sidekick or pal or partner. Bad guy sick kicks are always henchman, nameless guy who james bond kills by the dozen.

The fact that you added an entire 24 hour period which basically PI you then go and dump this crap on the thread is very very suspicious.

[Okral Lom]

Lock, on 07 April 2014 - 02:33 PM, said:

Ok, I'll admit, I'm just happy Bek is dead, because he was batshit insane.

And "I'm busy and mafaiz is no interesting for my amazing lifezorz" does not mean a free pass from scumdar.

I am reading up and Bek was completely off the rails. Some of his ideas seem only to designed to generate complete confusion on the thread. I am feeling pretty strongly that he was a symp at this point. Much more so then Tiam. He is one of the ones who brought up a recruitment possibility.

[Okral Lom]

Lock, on 05 April 2014 - 11:00 AM, said:

Monok Ochem, on 05 April 2014 - 10:47 AM, said:

quick morning catchup.

are we seriously expected to know things from previous games to play this game? Because that's just not fucking cool, I didn't play in the other spycrafts and don't have the damned time to go read them.

I would like a clarification from PS if previous games bear relevance on our CFs, current set ups and unfair knowledge advantage to players that have played in those games

If the answers yes he can go ahead and replace me because I don't have the will or time to invest in studying previous games and spoiler threads to bring back information for another reread and re-analysis of this game. And had I been told it in advance I never would have signed up.

Someone had their cheerios pissed in....

Anyways, personally I think GL was scum, but as the title "henchman" suggests not a particularly strong or important one (which was probably why he felt ok with blarfing all over the thread).

I agree with this.

[Okral Lom]

Rikkter, on 06 April 2014 - 11:25 AM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 06 April 2014 - 06:09 AM, said:

Eloth, on 06 April 2014 - 01:23 AM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 05 April 2014 - 06:55 PM, said:

Honestly my initial read on Denul was that he was mirroring scum. Now it seems he has put his neck on the block to prove he is town and either Okral or myself are town. I really cant make any calls till I hear Okral Lom answer to my question.

Once he does I will know whether my attitude to Denul is fair and know that we just simply read the game differently. If I hear the right answer from Okral Lom I may be voting one way if the wrong answer I will vote another.

If Okral is scum then I figure we have found support scum? if he isn't well Denul has me and Ok setup really nicely.

My biggest fear is both Okral Lom and myself are town. A lynch on all 3 of us plus NKs wins scum the game. Denul is it explicit that one of either Lom or myself is scum? or have you just inferred that logic after your read of the game?

If you guys lynch me it will prove I'm town and then we get an NK, who would you lynch after I'm gone? Okral Lom or Denul? My money says you'd lynch Okral Lom. That gives us the scum in our camp and town can move on to the next factions scum should Denul be legit.

Objection. Assuming facts not in evidence.

Double Objection
Not as yet in evidence and not assumed as facts

Reading it through, should Denul be legit that's just the next way I think we'd look at it. Atleast I would.

One scum per faction was mentioned earlier right? No ones debunked that and I am thoroughly convinced we atleast got GL. Scum hidden per faction would make sense. PS said Hau Fat was a different type of gangster. I'd assume this to be a unique way of going about things.

Okral Lom I just realized could answer his question intentionally to lie to us. Okral is in a corner and Denuls ability though hard to credit gives us scum should it explicitly say so.

I can at the very least assume the best bet for scum may hide amongst us three. I've read up on Denul alot and this looks like a good scum move but if read through the way Korabas has then the tactic backfires a bit, we still lose two town but we get 100% scum in the end. I Need Okral Lom to speak. His perspective is the missing piece and if he holds it back I'm voting on him to place pressure.

We've seen two faction CFs, MO makes claims to US, I am different, another claimed that is not the previously named ones. I agree with playing to WCS but thinking we have 5 scum plus the Triad chap is a ) stupid and b ) wrong.

When Did MO make a claim to the US? If he did something like that why wasn't he modkilled. I have been told do not speak of your faction or you will be modkilled.

[Okral Lom]

Denul, on 06 April 2014 - 04:50 PM, said:

And then I read the next few posts. I'm glad someone else pointed out Bek's error.

At any rate, I'm certainly interested to see how things will go forward as of tomorrow. I'd also really like to hear from Okral Lom.

What do you want to hear from me?

[Okral Lom]

Rikkter, on 06 April 2014 - 07:03 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 31 March 2014 - 01:23 PM, said:

Second rule: no reveals of nationalities or of powers you do not yet have.

Path-Shaper, on 06 April 2014 - 05:53 PM, said:

Regarding the five pens: there's five permanent seats with veto rights on the UN Security Council, which this is a reference to.

China (Asia)
France (EU)
Russia
UK (EU)
US (US)

Denul, and Denul only, the rest of you (Bek and Okral) don't even come close to answering this question in any way till after Denul does;

Yes or no - does your PM leaves you unable to say your faction is Russia on thread?

I suspect that is skipping a little close to modkill grounds so do check with PS first if you want to

Why are you asking people to get themselves modkilled?

[Okral Lom]

Denul, on 06 April 2014 - 07:27 PM, said:

Tapper, on 03 April 2014 - 02:25 PM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 03 April 2014 - 02:10 PM, said:

Lock, on 03 April 2014 - 11:27 AM, said:

Monok Ochem, on 03 April 2014 - 08:15 AM, said:

slammed for the next hour at work, at tea time will elabourate.

could the survivng RI from the EU and the surviving RI from Asia make themselves known like today, thus we can wrap this up

From the OP

Second rule: no reveals of nationalities or of powers you do not yet have

Reading this again doesn't this just mean you cannot reveal powers you dont have or nationalities you dont have?

I like to scrutinize rules, part of my job. Mr path shaper sir, could you clear this up for us all thanks.

No nationalities, period.
Powers; once you have (used) a power, you can reveal it.

I think that's pretty clear.

Nicely done. See that is shutting down a stupid idea.

[Okral Lom]

Denul, on 07 April 2014 - 02:58 AM, said:

Yikes, was coming to see if there were any big developments before I head to bed, and that Eloth action is very ominous. Looks like a suicide vig to me... I'll certainly be interested to see some CFs.

Denul I owe you a since apology. That recruiter bit went down so fast that no one had the time to step in and squash it. I should really only post as I read up.

[Kessobahn]

I agree that Henchman is most likely a scum role

[Denul]

Okral Lom, on 07 April 2014 - 03:05 PM, said:

Rikkter, on 06 April 2014 - 11:25 AM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 06 April 2014 - 06:09 AM, said:

Eloth, on 06 April 2014 - 01:23 AM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 05 April 2014 - 06:55 PM, said:

Honestly my initial read on Denul was that he was mirroring scum. Now it seems he has put his neck on the block to prove he is town and either Okral or myself are town. I really cant make any calls till I hear Okral Lom answer to my question.

Once he does I will know whether my attitude to Denul is fair and know that we just simply read the game differently. If I hear the right answer from Okral Lom I may be voting one way if the wrong answer I will vote another.

If Okral is scum then I figure we have found support scum? if he isn't well Denul has me and Ok setup really nicely.

My biggest fear is both Okral Lom and myself are town. A lynch on all 3 of us plus NKs wins scum the game. Denul is it explicit that one of either Lom or myself is scum? or have you just inferred that logic after your read of the game?

If you guys lynch me it will prove I'm town and then we get an NK, who would you lynch after I'm gone? Okral Lom or Denul? My money says you'd lynch Okral Lom. That gives us the scum in our camp and town can move on to the next factions scum should Denul be legit.

Objection. Assuming facts not in evidence.

Double Objection
Not as yet in evidence and not assumed as facts

Reading it through, should Denul be legit that's just the next way I think we'd look at it. Atleast I would.

One scum per faction was mentioned earlier right? No ones debunked that and I am thoroughly convinced we atleast got GL. Scum hidden per faction would make sense. PS said Hau Fat was a different type of gangster. I'd assume this to be a unique way of going about things.

Okral Lom I just realized could answer his question intentionally to lie to us. Okral is in a corner and Denuls ability though hard to credit gives us scum should it explicitly say so.

I can at the very least assume the best bet for scum may hide amongst us three. I've read up on Denul alot and this looks like a good scum move but if read through the way Korabas has then the tactic backfires a bit, we still lose two town but we get 100% scum in the end. I Need Okral Lom to speak. His perspective is the missing piece and if he holds it back I'm voting on him to place pressure.

We've seen two faction CFs, MO makes claims to US, I am different, another claimed that is not the previously named ones. I agree with playing to WCS but thinking we have 5 scum plus the Triad chap is a ) stupid and b ) wrong.

When Did MO make a claim to the US? If he did something like that why wasn't he modkilled. I have been told do not speak of your faction or you will be modkilled.

It was implied in a post where he was speculating on which nationalities were in the game. I'll see if I can't dig it up, but it's like 3 or 5 pages back.

[Okral Lom]

Monok Ochem, on 03 April 2014 - 07:58 AM, said:

haven't read, quick post.

I think there's 3 factiosn, US, EU and Asia

each has 3 people, 2 RI, 1 bad guy then hu fat at the top, that gives us 13 and an easy way to tag the bastards. (need to check op to confirm this theory, annd confumr it was 13 players.

Do you mean this post? I can see why that might be referenced. It is also the start of a complete clusterfuck of number theory. Seems kind of amazing that he would assume that Tapper would make it totally easy for town to figure out who is scum.