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2. The support of a high posting Day 1
3.Somewhat unusual interpolation of events
Just piggy back on everything already highlighted.
Tiam has always said he liked the drive for numbers but a few times he claims to follow the reasoning behind Rikkters strategy.
He supported the loudest player after this admission and frowned on any one Low posting. I'm calling this a look left and go right manouevre and he is gooood at it. I don't think I need to go back and quote that many individual instances as several of you guys already have.
Tiams said he hoped to unleash his level 5 powers...well here we are driving for it. too bad its his history that has the most interesting content.
I will quote my original case on Tiam. I admit from here I jumped to monok and then on to GL. There was a lot bothering about Tiam beforehand though.
My commentary with Day 2 insight in bracketed red.
Bek Okhan, on 31 March 2014 - 11:12 PM, said:
Tiamatha, on 31 March 2014 - 03:19 PM, said:
Ampelas, on 31 March 2014 - 03:16 PM, said:
Tiamatha, on 31 March 2014 - 03:14 PM, said:
I don't understand the votes on either GL or Ampelas. Surely the vote should go on Monok for being the actual gorilla? (SUPPORT)
well done watson! monok didn't mention any gorillas so why pull him into this atm? you did though and now you are already deflecting!!!
Well, because by your logic then surely I'm a symp and Monok is the master, that's why. Of course, your logic has relied heavily on the dumbass factor so far, but you should at least be consistent with it. (Paints Monok as master)
Not even batting an eye at sending the vote at Monok, following Ampelas to the next not so logical conclusion. not scummy but fanning the flames of an already odd signalling case.
Tiamatha, on 31 March 2014 - 06:15 PM, said:
Without knowing what, if anything, scum receive on earlier levels, I can only think the more town who reach level 5 the better.
Statistically speaking - and this is really pointing out the obvious - town are more numerous earlier in the game. So, following on from that reasoning, the sooner we reach level 5, the better, as more townies *should* receive their bonuses.
I say *should* because of course there is the unknown factor as to what scum might receive earlier, which could throw the above reasoning out the window, depending on what it is. (Look left and go right? very inconsistent messege)
But one can only work with the information one has, which says more posting = more leveling, more posting sooner = more townies at level 5. Otherwise, the other course of action is stagnation, and freezing in the face of the unknown.
Statistically speaking - and this is really pointing out the obvious - town are more numerous earlier in the game. So, following on from that reasoning, the sooner we reach level 5, the better, as more townies *should* receive their bonuses.
I say *should* because of course there is the unknown factor as to what scum might receive earlier, which could throw the above reasoning out the window, depending on what it is. (Look left and go right? very inconsistent messege)
But one can only work with the information one has, which says more posting = more leveling, more posting sooner = more townies at level 5. Otherwise, the other course of action is stagnation, and freezing in the face of the unknown.
EVERY thing about the underlined and following logic pings my scumdar. Town can't assume rushing to level 5 is helpful. PS seriously disadvises. If we assume that to be an informed warning scums incentive to level up is great. shooting the game from TMDI 2 to TMDI 7!
Thats a crazy level of complication. Town should think about that and realize how level 5 could be undermined by powerful scum, veterans should understand.
(I got several things wrong here. SEVERAL. but I was right to worry about a sudden rush towards leveling without knowing what Scum were working with.)
Tiamatha, on 31 March 2014 - 09:36 PM, said:
Kessobahn, on 31 March 2014 - 09:31 PM, said:
So are we pursuing a "Level Quickly" Approach or a "Level Slowly" approach?
We appear conflicted (gasp - diverging opinions in mafia!). I would pursue a level quickly approach as I reasoned in an earlier post.
To me, the argument which Rikkter presents, suggesting we take it slow today and spam away day 2, also doesn't make sense. The fear is that scum gain other powers sooner. But surely that's going to happen anyway (It turns out it wasn't. Scum had no powers and this can be seen as fear mongering.. That's not something we can stop, except by not posting at all. So better it happen sooner, when there are more of us around to take the hit, as it were, and more chance of those who might be less essential power-wise to take the flak, than later.
That makes sense to me anyway.
Edit: Changed 'Monok' to 'Rikkter'.
This supports my suspicion of Tiam. scum will thrive in a heard of overactive town trying to rush for levels. scum wants a loud noisy game. Rikkters strategy is sound. our day 1 should go off info collected already in regards to activity and content. the obvious targets perk up pretty quickly and those not so obvious will wind it hard to stay silent if town get good lynch momentum. picking out candidates off history rather than relying on a level 5 power which in our rush to achieve makes it easier to level up scum.
Tiamatha, on 31 March 2014 - 09:58 PM, said:
Having said all that, I've just read something in the OP which revises my opinion somewhat.
As we know that town will get nothing from Level 1, but we don't know one way or the other if scum will get anything at level 1, it may indeed be worth pursuing Rikkter's idea of not reaching 120 posts before the end of the day, thus avoiding at least one night with killers potentially having another power.
My instinct is to say it probably makes little difference, but it's certainly something worth considering. Apologies to Rikkter, then.
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P-S announces what level everyone is at the start of night and start of day.
As we know that town will get nothing from Level 1, but we don't know one way or the other if scum will get anything at level 1, it may indeed be worth pursuing Rikkter's idea of not reaching 120 posts before the end of the day, thus avoiding at least one night with killers potentially having another power.
My instinct is to say it probably makes little difference, but it's certainly something worth considering. Apologies to Rikkter, then.
This is Tiams only redeeming post and it feels iffy. I really find it out of place and don't really trust it, the when and how seems to reflect sudden self-consciousness. Perhaps as I watch the thread I will be dissuaded from it but my current read of this game has me suspecting Tiam more than anyone else to be scum.
Tiam is my current vote. If we get trains on one of the other noisier players like Ampelas or GL I'll support it with my vote, otherwise I think I said all I need to.
Vote Tiamatha
After that last red underline...can't think Tiam altered or considered, supported or even reflected Rikkters strategy over GLs push for thread content. Any support of GL after contradicts the admission Rikkters idea is on point.
I find this coupled with his attitude on the train to be highly suspicious. and worthy of scum
