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The Russia Politics and War in Ukraine Thread

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Posted 06 June 2024 - 11:04 PM

Ukraine has put its Stenka-class patrol boats back into the Black Sea, operating off the coast of Odesa. This appears to be the first time Ukrainian coast guard vessels have put out to sea since the February 2022 invasion, and a sign of increased confidence that they have denied the western Black Sea to Russian maritime operations.

The Financial Times has an interesting story on Gazprom. The company has outlined decreasing revenues and the risk of revenues going into free-fall. Its exports to Europe have collapsed and it has failed to source alternate components for many of its facilities which rely on Europe, Korean or Japanese-bult components. This had sharply pushed up maintenance costs, as they have to acquire replacement components through convoluted supply chains and black markets. They are also weighing in on the growing trade row with China, with China's proposed payments for the Power of Siberia 2 pipeline being so miserly that at best, and in full operation, the income will be less than one-third that of what it was from Europe. They are also complaining about Ukrainian attacks on their oil facilities, which are hard to defend against. Gazprom's LPG operations are also in their infancy and cannot develop properly with the technology they have to hand, meaning Gazprom cannot operating in the LPG space effectively and are at the mercy of foreign competitors (particularly the US). All of these things mean a collapse in revenues for the company, accelerated by the Moscow government taxing them increasingly heavily. Gazprom have indicated that they need to rise prices at the Russian gas pump but are being prevented from doing so by central government. Unless they can raise prices, then their income will simply collapse. Putin, of course, does not want pump prices to go up as that will be a public declaration of the failure in their policies.

After the S-400s were taken out around Belgorod, the number of glide bombs and air-launched missiles on the Vovchansk/Kharkiv front seem to have dropped swiftly. Once again, Russian pilots are now refusing to fly into a forward position without strong AA cover from the ground. How many more S-400s Russia can redeploy is unclear, with some estimates suggesting that around 12-15% of their entire inventory has been destroyed and to rush more to the front will start leaving air defence holes elsewhere in southern Russia, or they'll have to start stripping AA systems away from the cities.

Artillery bombardments are continuing but seem to be decreasing in frequency as the Russian gunners are switching back to shoot-and-scoot tactics.

Russian Telegram has an interesting claim that Putin has been told that in the current offensive Ukraine has lost 50,000 troops KIA and is telling everyone excitedly in his circle, but nobody is buying it but him. Hmm.

Pyotr Tolstoy, a deputy of the State Duma, got annoyed with reports saying Belgorod was under attack and flew to Belgorod personally to show it wasn't scary. During his visit the air raid warning went off and he spent an hour hiding in a basement.

Putin has hosted a meeting, making the extraordinary claim that he will accept the denazification of Ukraine as being the "banning of Nazi propaganda on the territory of Ukraine." Apparently Ukraine doing exactly that years ago (including barring senior members of the Azov Battalion who were basically Neo-Nazis from military service years before the invasion even started) wasn't good enough for him.

Ukraine estimates now that Russia has lost 513,700 troops since February 2022, injured or killed. The KIA rate is estimated by Ukraine at roughly 210-220,000. Western estimates are lagging behind but recently ticked into the upper 100,000s.

Ukrainian counter-attacks in Vovchansk seem to have stepped up after the surrender of an entire company last week, which seems to have opened a hole in Russia's lines. Several streets have been retaken and Russian forces pushed further back north. The Ukrainian strategy is to deny them time to dig in. They are also hitting rear areas hard with artillery and drones. Ukraine may be planning a more ambitious counter-offensive in this sector, but Russia does have reserves available it has not yet deployed.

Ukraine has hit the Russian Novoshakhtinsk refinery, destroying an anti-drone defensive screen and then a fuel system.

Russian forces sortied a major assault in Vovchansk but were halted by the Ukrainian 36th Marine Brigade. The marines counter-attacked, overrunning the Russian position. Two Russian assault companies were destroyed, with their commanders both surrendering, along with four surviving soldiers. All the other troops in the two formations were killed.

Ukraine is using a fairly significant drone fleet to strike Russian targets across the Dnipro. Recon drones spot targets, small kamikaze drones destroy individual targets and large heavy bomber drones go after headquarters, staging areas and weapons dumps. Russian soldiers watch and even film the drone fleet flying overhead every night, angrily asking where their defences are.

France is planning to transfer Mirage 2000-5 aircraft to Ukraine. Macron has set a deadline for the transfer of before the end of this year, with Ukrainian pilots taking part in an aggressive five-month training programme. France has also committed to both training and equipping an entire brigade of 4,500 Ukrainian soldiers.

Ukrainian Su-27s are hitting Russian positions in the south hard with glide bombs. It looks like Russia has still not been able to move AA assets forwards to cover that sector (Kherson and Robotyne further east).

Japan has successfully delivered over 100 military support vehicles to Ukraine, including Mitsubishi trucks and Toyota HMVs.

One interesting analysis pointing out that by extending the front, Russia has stretched its operational capabilities and kind of defeated the point of withdrawing troops from Kyiv and Kharkiv two years ago in the first place, being able to focus the available manpower on taking the Donbas. By extending the front to Kharkiv and potentially Sumy without a further mobilisation round, they're achieving much lower force density than is needed to achieve objectives, given Ukraine's ability to reinforce critical sectors much more quickly (because Ukraine is operating on internal lines and Russia on external lines). This is also apparent in vehicle density and supply lines.

Russia's currently most in-demand supply vehicle is the UAZ-452 "Loaf", which has 4-wheel drive, is relatively cheap and nippy even if relatively full. However, it's also a 1960s-vintage upgraded camper van, with the survivability of toilet paper if hit by a drone, or if a drone lands within about five feet of it. Insanely, Russian crowdfunding efforts seem to be focusing on getting more Loaves built, because they can be thrown together in days, rather than anything more useful.

Retired judge Natalia Larina has fallen out of her apartment window. Before she died, she apparently sent her savings and a newly-acquired bank loan to Ukraine (!). Confused reports if she was scammed or this was a genuine betrayal.

Crime rates in Russia are soaring over last year's figures, and last year was horrendous (with gun battles in broad daylight between different Russian Mafia factions in some cities). Murders, violent robberies and crime are all up. The Russian police seems to be mostly focused on clamping down on dissenters and finding draft-dodgers (unless they're involved in organised crime, in which case they generally ignore them).

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Posted 07 June 2024 - 02:08 PM

View PostWerthead, on 06 June 2024 - 11:04 PM, said:

... Russian crowdfunding efforts ...


waitwut...? judicious google tells me nothing, who are they crowdfunding from???



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Posted 07 June 2024 - 02:43 PM

View PostAbyss, on 07 June 2024 - 02:08 PM, said:

View PostWerthead, on 06 June 2024 - 11:04 PM, said:

... Russian crowdfunding efforts ...


waitwut...? judicious google tells me nothing, who are they crowdfunding from???


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Posted 07 June 2024 - 02:52 PM

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Posted 07 June 2024 - 03:54 PM

View PostAbyss, on 07 June 2024 - 02:08 PM, said:

waitwut...? judicious google tells me nothing, who are they crowdfunding from???


Their own citizens. Russian military units are asking citizens to donate money to provide them with food, drink, basic amenities (one volunteer beamed at delivering shampoo to a unit near the front line), nightscopes, drones and even entire support vehicles.

A saner person might say, "isn't the Russian government supposed to be supplying that stuff?" but clearly that question has not arisen for these people.
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Posted 07 June 2024 - 05:03 PM

View PostWerthead, on 07 June 2024 - 03:54 PM, said:

View PostAbyss, on 07 June 2024 - 02:08 PM, said:

waitwut...? judicious google tells me nothing, who are they crowdfunding from???


Their own citizens. Russian military units are asking citizens to donate money to provide them with food, drink, basic amenities (one volunteer beamed at delivering shampoo to a unit near the front line), nightscopes, drones and even entire support vehicles.

A saner person might say, "isn't the Russian government supposed to be supplying that stuff?" but clearly that question has not arisen for these people.

They are the richest and most advanced nation in the world. Their governemnt is so far ahead of everyone else, they can't waste time on menial concerns such as equipment and supplies for the army. Not when there's a global cabal of LGBQT satanists and their bioengioneered NATO mercenaries to thwart.

In these dark times of uncertainty, and being surrounded by enemies from all sides that aren't China's satellites, every Russian must do their duty by unflinchingly giving up their all for the cause of maintaining their leadership's bank accounts. After all, it would shame the entire nation if their leaders were to start looking poor.

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Posted 07 June 2024 - 06:29 PM

Bearing in mind that Bradleys have smoked T-72s in this war, this seemed ludicrously optimistic.

Also, the Russia military should consider that the optimal placement for infantry is inside the infantry fighting vehicle, not clinging to the outside.
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Posted 07 June 2024 - 09:59 PM

View PostWerthead, on 07 June 2024 - 06:29 PM, said:

...Also, the Russia military should consider that the optimal placement for infantry is inside the infantry fighting vehicle, not clinging to the outside.


Depends on which asset you're trying to protect, the vehicle or the soldiers.
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Posted 08 June 2024 - 06:36 PM

Ukrainian drones flew 500 miles to the far side of the Black Sea and impacted the Mozdok military airfield in North Ossetia.

Russia has been banned from the FIDE International Chess Federation.

Putin has seized the Four Seasons hotel next to the Kremlin. Possibly some comical commentary on Four Seasons Total Landscaping is possible, I don't know.

Multiple military targets and ammo dumps destroyed in and around Luhansk City.

German is considering sending a second Patriot battery to Ukraine.

The Ukraine 92nd Brigade defeated Russian forces in Hlyboke and took part of the town back.

Russian air defences around Lysychansk have been targeted, with drones taking out several vehicles. These are close-ish to the front so seem to be mobile units rather than larger S-400/300 systems.

Ukraine seems to be saying that the Kharkiv front is stabilising but the situation is becoming more difficult in Donetsk. Some Ukrainian reserve units may have been moved back to Donetsk.

Secondary analysis seems to confirm the Russian defeat in Kalynivka and the shoring up of the Chasiv Yar approaches. Russia seems to have lost the battle for the town for now, but they have significant forces nearby and could make a new push.
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Posted 09 June 2024 - 10:54 AM

Ukraine has hit the Astrakhan airfield with a heavy drone attack. This is one of Russia's most important airfields, holding dozens of top-tier aircraft used for glide bomb and air strike attacks on Ukraine, some 600km from the front.

The full extent of the damage is unclear, but it appears that one of Russia's absolute top aircraft, the Su-57, was damaged in the attack. That's roughly 5% of the Su-57 fleet disabled, at least temporarily.

The Netherlands and Germany have set up a production line for Patriot missiles, whilst the Netherlands, Denmark and Sweden are setting up a production line to continuously produce CV-90 IFVs for both European and Ukrainian use.

Finland has provided "experimental and development weapons systems" to Ukraine in somewhat ominous tones. Their performance is "good" and there will be "more demand for them." Very much vague at the moment, but interesting given the interest in field-testing laser weapons in Ukraine. Someone mentioned something about Ramjet-boosted artillery shells (!!!) but that seems a bit unlikely at this stage. Finland reports it has also increased 155mm artillery production to the highest levels in Europe.
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Posted 09 June 2024 - 04:37 PM

View PostWerthead, on 09 June 2024 - 10:54 AM, said:

Finland has provided "experimental and development weapons systems" to Ukraine in somewhat ominous tones. Their performance is "good" and there will be "more demand for them." Very much vague at the moment, but interesting given the interest in field-testing laser weapons in Ukraine. Someone mentioned something about Ramjet-boosted artillery shells (!!!) but that seems a bit unlikely at this stage. Finland reports it has also increased 155mm artillery production to the highest levels in Europe.


I'm imagining Putin getting gradually turned to ashes by a laser beam (or beams?) from Finland. (But what part(s) of his body to start with?... As he screams for his Go* and tries to repent with his priest before he's all ashes in the breeze, naturally... and/or screams for all the nukes to be launched (and all the secret bio-weapons to be unleashed?...).)

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Posted 09 June 2024 - 11:17 PM

Another big Ukrainian strike on Crimea. Dzhankoy, Uglovoy and Yevpatoriya seem to be under attack, possibly Naumivka as well.

Ukraine has confirmed it has fielded a domestic-built glide bomb for long-range air launching. The bomb seem to have been developed and iterated from their existing JDAM-ER weapons.

Unconfirmed reports that Russian forces have crossed the border in Sumy Oblast and advanced towards the border settlement Ryzhivka. Chechen news is reporting this, but Ukrainian ground forces in the area say that Russian forces have not crossed the border, but there has been an uptick in recent shelling.
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Posted 10 June 2024 - 12:36 PM

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Another big Ukrainian strike on Crimea. Dzhankoy, Uglovoy and Yevpatoriya seem to be under attack, possibly Naumivka as well.

Ukraine has confirmed it has fielded a domestic-built glide bomb for long-range air launching. The bomb seem to have been developed and iterated from their existing JDAM-ER weapons.

Unconfirmed reports that Russian forces have crossed the border in Sumy Oblast and advanced towards the border settlement Ryzhivka. Chechen news is reporting this, but Ukrainian ground forces in the area say that Russian forces have not crossed the border, but there has been an uptick in recent shelling.


Orc DRG hung their flag in the village and took a picture. Apparently they booby-trapped it as well. But it's been taken down since. there's no physical enemy presence across the border in Sumy oblast
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Posted 10 June 2024 - 07:12 PM

The damage report from Crimea seems severe: 1 S-400, 2 S-300 and 4 radar systems were hit by 10-12 ATACMS missiles across the peninsula.

Russian Telegram is saying that Crimea's air defence umbrella now has more holes in it than Swiss cheese. Some Russian military personnel have told their families to leave Crimea altogether. There's some blaming of Russia moving AA systems from Crimea to protect Belgorod. The Russian 31st Air Defence Division operating in Crimea seems to be operating with a lack of manpower and equipment.

A Russian patrol boat was destroyed in the Black Sea whilst it was being pushed into position by a tug. The tug crew seemed pretty happy not to go down with it.

The Baba Yaga Ukrainian drone seems to have been upgraded and is now sporting 5mm armour covering all components. Russian engineers who got their hands on one seemed to be impressed, and wondered why their drones are not as well protected (Baba Yagas are relatively huge, smaller Ukrainian drones are not so well protected).

Russians complaining that their glide bombs are losing accuracy due to improvements in electronic warfare over the border area.

Another TOS-1A lost on the Kreminna front.

Ooh, Russia has lost the Admiral Levchenko anti-submarine destroyer. Its engines caught fire and the ship is ablaze in the Barents Sea. Ukrainian analysis is that multiple Russian navy vessels are running on engines that have not been serviced for over a decade, as the only place they can be served is in Mykolaiv, Ukraine, where the engines were built, but Ukraine withdrew its servicing operation in 2014.

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Posted 10 June 2024 - 11:14 PM

The tug thing was in the Azov Sea, allegedly. There's a bunch of confusion, I've seen mentions of landing ships, a barge, and a patrol ship in different sources. Unclear.

The Barents Sea ship loss is just hilarious, even if it can't get added to the war casualty list.
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Posted 11 June 2024 - 06:18 PM

2 Su-57s disabled, 10% of the fleet.

Although Su-57s have been used maybe once in the whole war to date, so it's not actually impacting on Russian capabilities for this conflict. NATO can probably thank them (even if in a shooting war, the Su-57 would be massively outnumbered by F-22s).

A Russian frigate and submarine are visiting Cuba, shadowed by a US coastguard vessel, two US Navy destroyers and a Canadian destroyer.

Pantsir AA system destroyed in Luhansk, hit by a direct HIMARS strike. According to the Kremlin, the Pantsir is "immune" to HIMARS because it can always shoot down missiles with "100%" accuracy.

Ukrainian drones spotted flying over Dagestan, almost 1,000km from Ukraine, unclear what the destination was.

Looks like a second large equipment storage facility has been destroyed in Belgorod. The Russians doing a poor job of moving this stuff out of ATACMS and HIMARS range. Ukrainian missiles also destroyed a command post of the 6th Combined Arms Army in Shebekino, Belgorod.

A Russian Su-34 crashed in the Caucasus Mountains of North Ossetia, near the Georgian border. Reportedly technical problems.

The attack on Crimea seems to have been more serious than first reported, with a number of casualties among the 31st Air Defence Division leading to widespread criticism of their commanders.

Reportedly, more than 300,000 citizens in the Donetsk People's Republic have had property seized from them by the local government, allegedly for state/military use, but the citizens claim mostly it's for cronyism or just because they feel like it. They have asked Putin to intervene.

Lt. General Charles Costanza, CiC V Corps of the US Army, has indicated he believes that Russia is constituting new forces during the war in Ukraine which are not meant for the Ukrainian front and will be deployed on NATO's borders. He believes that estimates of a war with Russia being possible in 3-7 years are too optimistic and NATO must be ready for conflict at almost any time. He does believe that NATO has finally realised this and is now moving more quickly on the defensive posture.

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Posted 11 June 2024 - 09:16 PM

Lindsay Graham has come up with a novel plan: he believes Ukraine is sitting on $10-12 trillion of critical minerals in Ukraine and it is in the USA's geopolitical interest to deny Russia (and hence China) getting access to those resources. He seems to be trying to sell this angle to Trump.
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Posted 12 June 2024 - 06:34 AM

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Lindsay Graham has come up with a novel plan: he believes Ukraine is sitting on $10-12 trillion of critical minerals in Ukraine and it is in the USA's geopolitical interest to deny Russia (and hence China) getting access to those resources. He seems to be trying to sell this angle to Trump.


We do have a ton of various resources. My parents were geologists, so I know quite a bunch about this.

UA was one of the biggest exporters of neon, for instance, before the war. There's some titanium, Uranium, and some rare earth metals. Also, a decent amount of shale gas.

Western Ukraine was the location of Europe's first oil boom in the 19th century, and my hometown was the place where the first kerosene lamps on the continent were produced (roughyl around the same time they invented in the States- the process was parallel). But most of that's been tapped out after WW2.

The resource angle isn't very good, though, b/c Russia has infinitely more of everything to offer China, and if they do go full "supplicant to the new Khan" mode, then nothing UA could offer to the West would really outmatch the advantage Bejing gains.
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Posted 12 June 2024 - 05:31 PM

Pretty scary that there are 4 Russian warships parked at Cuba just a short distance from the US right now "as a display of friendship" with Cuba. Wish we could take the opportunity to bomb the fuck out of them to greater reduce their fleet.
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Posted 12 June 2024 - 07:44 PM

Apparently two S-400 batteries and one S-300 were hit in Crimea in a big ATACMS strike. Multiple radar systems destroyed.

China and India have hurriedly shut down several trading links with Russia after the US Treasury confirmed it would treat any foreign bank transacting with Russia as though it was working directly with the Kremlin. The Moscow Exchange has been banned from trading in US dollars or Euros.

Gazprom's share price continues to plummet like a motherfucker, and may not be profitable any longer. That could be fairly calamitous for the company.

Argentina has agreed to provide combat aircraft to Ukraine. These are older French jets, Super Etendards, notable for being adaptable to being cruise missile carriers. Although outdated, they could be reconditioned as trainers or long-range missile launchers. France brokered the deal and the UK appears to have agreed to drop its opposition to Argentinian military exports, reasoning that Argentina getting rid of missile-carrying aircraft is good news. Argentina taking an apparently pro-Ukraine line despite its recent invitation to join BRICS is interesting.

Speaking of which, a BRICS conference was held and support for Russia remained lukewarm, with fellow members refusing to endorse Russia's position. The only real positive outcome was China finally deciding not to attend the Switzerland peace summit, but saying they would attend if there was some kind of (even nominal?) Russian representation allowed.

Armenia has reportedly decided to withdraw from the Collective Security Treaty Organisation, the first nation to do so this century. Reportedly some of the other members, including Kazakhstan and particularly Kyrgyzstan, are also lukewarm on its continued operation once Russia basically refused to honour its commitments and help defend Armenia against Azerbaijan, or Kyrgyzstan against Tajikistan. It's worth noting that Georgia, Azerbaijan and Uzbekistan all withdrew from the CSTO in 1999.

22 Sri Lankans have returned home. They accepted the offer of jobs in Russia, being told they would work in sectors so Russians in those jobs could go to war. But upon arrival, they were instead sent to fight in Ukraine. Luckily they managed to evade combat and get out of the country.

Highly unconfirmed and speculative talk that two F-16s have already arrived in Ukraine. This may explain Russia targeting more airfields in recent missile strikes, though most of them were shot down (though not all; a Ukrainain Su-25 was lost at a forward-operating base in eastern Ukraine).

Ukrainian forces from the 3rd Assault Brigade have continued liberating territory on the Kharkiv front. One group heard Russian soldiers calling out to them from a trench, mistaking them for friendlies, and replied in Russian, walked over and then politely invited them to surrender. The Russians seemed confused that Ukrainians could speak Russian (FFS), then panicked and opened fire, which was tactically unsound (the Ukrainians had them completely surrounded with guns and grenades). None of the Russians survived.

The FSB has raided the "Patriot" exhibition organised by Shoigu, reportedly after it was used as a front to channel $2 million in bribes to the facility operators. The net around Shoigu seems to be getting tighter.
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