[Emurlahnis]

Kilava, on 23 January 2014 - 04:06 PM, said:

Ugh, I was just on the underground and it struck me - at the beginning of day 2 Eldat was trying to build a case on Iparth after I mentioned my suspicion of that person...if he had been a finder who had found Hentos scum, wouldn't he have built a case on them? That should have clicked immediately - I am rusty

Rusty? or conveniently inept? its difficult to see you as misguided town if you take that stance on this. I'll need to read your history but right now so many of your arguments and blames lie suspiciously in line with Eldats activity.

[Kilava]

I guess these are the main suspects: Aparal Forge, Karatallid, Hentos Ilm, and myself ( ), as we were on the Rikkter train at the end of day 1 (and Skintick for the hammer, if you want to include them).

[Kilava]

Well, I might as well reveal I think.

I am a hesitant vig.

That means I couldn't vig on the first two nights, but I can now. So I suggest I vig one of Aparal, Karatallid, and Hentos, and we lynch one of the others - unless there are other suspects?

[Kilava]

Emurlahnis, on 23 January 2014 - 04:09 PM, said:

Kilava, on 23 January 2014 - 04:06 PM, said:

Ugh, I was just on the underground and it struck me - at the beginning of day 2 Eldat was trying to build a case on Iparth after I mentioned my suspicion of that person...if he had been a finder who had found Hentos scum, wouldn't he have built a case on them? That should have clicked immediately - I am rusty

Rusty? or conveniently inept? its difficult to see you as misguided town if you take that stance on this. I'll need to read your history but right now so many of your arguments and blames lie suspiciously in line with Eldats activity.

Not exactly like you pointed it out yourself, now is it?

[Iparth Erule]

A few people look damning, I personally think it is Aparal Forge as there was no swing without his idea and initial vote away from Eldat. Also the little cross posting comments they did on thread seemed a bit off. I have my ideas who is most likely killer and most likely town but I don't want to give the remaining killer a clue as to who I would want to keep around. The fact is we now know that day one was a definite swing away from scum.

[Skintick]

Emurlahnis, on 23 January 2014 - 04:06 PM, said:

Ah now I begin to understand. For the record cheers Ampelas. way to take one for the team. Best possible result for Town.

I wasn't even on time to land a hammer or join the vote it seems, I look pretty bad so won't be surprised if people start looking. needless to say I wasn't up to date on how things swung about. no matter, we got scum and lost the finder. Hentos is definite town on a bad Day 1 swing. Eldat was supported by the swing vote, leaving either AF or Kataralid as our second killer. We vote on that now?

Skintick was right all along and the other definate town. I will subscribe to his side of the Skintick/Kilava argument for now and await developments. I'm voting Kilava as with a CF this damning and the follow up cases Kilava looks guilty as hell.

Vote Kilava

First to all: told ya so.

Second to Emur, voting for the symp never helps anyone. If you had truly been payin attention to me, you would realize that. But since you are the other person looking scummy ATM, I see why you would have no one else to vote for.

Vote Emur

[Skintick]

Hesitant vig eh, with a two day waiting mechanic (awfully convenient but easy to prove I guess, unless you just string us along like you have been)?

[Kilava]

Skintick, on 23 January 2014 - 04:23 PM, said:

Hesitant vig eh, with a two day waiting mechanic (awfully convenient but easy to prove I guess, unless you just string us along like you have been)?

Well, if I hadn't been given this role, I wouldn't have been posting in the way that I have. I wanted to look troublesome enough that I wasn't killed the first two nights. I thought of waiting another day to reveal - because I doubt I would have ended up being lynched today, but then thought naaaah. Either way we're cutting down suspects.

And yeah, easy to prove. Either two inno kills in the night, or scum is killed and game ends. There's no point in the killer withholding their kill to frame me because they can either kill me in the night or simply kill me the next night. Or of course we lynch the killer today



Edit: Removed extraneous 'I'm'.

This post has been edited by Kilava: 23 January 2014 - 04:28 PM

[Skintick]

Kilava, on 23 January 2014 - 04:27 PM, said:

Skintick, on 23 January 2014 - 04:23 PM, said:

Hesitant vig eh, with a two day waiting mechanic (awfully convenient but easy to prove I guess, unless you just string us along like you have been)?

Well, if I hadn't been given this role, I wouldn't have been posting in the way that I have. I wanted to look troublesome enough that I wasn't killed the first two nights. I thought of waiting another day to reveal - because I doubt I would have ended up being lynched today, but then thought naaaah. Either way we're cutting down suspects.

And yeah, easy to prove. Either two inno kills in the night, or scum is killed and game ends. There's no point in the killer withholding their kill to frame me because they can either kill me in the night or simply kill me the next night. Or of course we lynch the killer today



Edit: Removed extraneous 'I'm'.

Fair enough. Well I'd be happy if you knocked off Emur. Take a look at his posts. He was parroting me on day 1 but was not above parroting someone else and switching when needed. It was the end of day 2 hesitancy that really peaked my suspicions, but again, this is another case of too townie to be true. Still very fishy in my book, and I hate sycophants.

[Skintick]

Oh, and before someone calls me on being chummy all the sudden, I want to point out that if there isn't a mid day vig, I'll go back to my symp classification. I also hate being strung along.

[Iparth Erule]

Right start of day 2, I garner three votes in quick succession. It makes me feel like scum were panicking. The problem I have with Kilava being scum is because he was the 4th vote on Eldat when there was only one hour to go.

Kilava, on 22 January 2014 - 03:10 AM, said:

Vote Iparth Erule

Because they like to jump on the easiest votes around. I'll try to get on and post something more substantial on this tomorrow.

Eldat Pressen, on 22 January 2014 - 04:19 AM, said:

Dead thread is dead... I'm out for the night, but for now I'll lay my vote down on IE because after rereading his posts, he seems pretty damn suspicious in my eyes.

Vote Iparth Erule

Emurlahnis, on 22 January 2014 - 04:41 AM, said:

To be clear I didn't vote because neither train felt right. I think Rikkter was not an informative vote and Pressen just seems like the nail sticking out the most. Skinticks gut feel call was just that, Pressens vote activity seemed legit. I'd rather invest an early vote this time round so no one blames me for inactivity.

The case built up on Pressen needed more meat behind it. As water thin as any day 1 cases tend to be getting a lynch is a good start for town even if it was a poor lynch. I'd rather focus on the back and forth voting with ify comments supporting lazy votes.

Vote Iparth Erule

My vote will rely on a good reply from IE, Kilava has been pretty quick on the uptake. I personaly think Day 1 left us with some good material. unfortunate lynch but good momentum. If we start focusing on our low activity posters I'm supportive of that. We know how Roled players like to be influential in-game but we can't afford the baggage of three speechless heads.

[Kilava]

Skintick, on 23 January 2014 - 04:36 PM, said:

Oh, and before someone calls me on being chummy all the sudden, I want to point out that if there isn't a mid day vig, I'll go back to my symp classification. I also hate being strung along.

Uh...did I not make this clear?

I said I couldn't vig in the first two NIGHTS.

My vig is a night action. That's why I said the whole thing about me doubting that the killer would withhold their kill to try and frame me above...

[Kilava]

Yeah, hmm, I'd deffo add Emur to the list.

[Skintick]

Kilava, on 23 January 2014 - 04:42 PM, said:

Skintick, on 23 January 2014 - 04:36 PM, said:

Oh, and before someone calls me on being chummy all the sudden, I want to point out that if there isn't a mid day vig, I'll go back to my symp classification. I also hate being strung along.

Uh...did I not make this clear?

I said I couldn't vig in the first two NIGHTS.

My vig is a night action. That's why I said the whole thing about me doubting that the killer would withhold their kill to try and frame me above...

Ah, well that is unusual for a vig. I don't believe you.

[Skintick]

And usually we are not allowed to quote our role pm's which makes me think you claim is bs.

[Kilava]

Skintick, on 23 January 2014 - 04:47 PM, said:

And usually we are not allowed to quote our role pm's which makes me think you claim is bs.

1) Didn't quote my role PM, just revealed my role. The No Quoting PMs rule is that so townies (usually RIs) can't just quote parts of their PMs to each other to identify themselves on thread. But if I'm wrong then modkill away.

2) It doesn't really matter if you believe me or not. If you think I'm a symp then you still won't lynch me today with other good targets out there. Which means I will vig tonight.

[Iparth Erule]

So I would like to point out here that Emur's vote start of day two seems very off. They didn't even vote day one. Is that because they didn't want to be on the swing train? However, I will show you why I think Aparal is the second killer.

First of all, here's proof of Kilava adding a 4th vote to Eldat.

Kilava, on 22 January 2014 - 01:47 AM, said:

Remove Vote

Vote Eldat Pressen


Not because I like it, but because nothing else is even close to happening today.

Path-Shaper, on 22 January 2014 - 01:55 AM, said:

It is Day 1. 1 hour and 5 minutes remaining

14 Players still alive: Ampelas, Aparal Forge, Eldat Pressen, Emurlahnis, Hentos Ilm, Iparth Erule, Kadagar Fant, Karatallid, Kilava, Okaros, Prazec Goul, Rikkter, Silchas Ruin, Skintick

8 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

4 Votes for Eldat Pressen ( Skintick, Ampelas, Iparth Erule, Kilava )
1 Vote for Rikkter ( Prazec Goul )
1 Vote for Kilava ( Silchas Ruin )

Players not voted: Aparal Forge, Eldat Pressen, Emurlahnis, Hentos Ilm, Kadagar Fant, Karatallid, Okaros, Rikkter

This is the situation. We need 4 votes to lynch and time is running out. Around one hour left. That is a very short window for this to go anywhere. Too short to even have the numbers for a lynch. (I love how this is a first day one lynch in a while and it just goes to show that you should always lynch day one)

Aparal doesn't like the Eldat lynch. He echoes my earlier reason for voting Rikkter ie not wanting to vote day one. So he adds a vote to the player with the lowest number of votes.

Aparal Forge, on 22 January 2014 - 01:56 AM, said:

Not really thrilled about the case on Eldat. I never like lynches for playing smooth, which is what it amounts to.

At least they seem to be trying to be helpful, while almost the exact opposite can be said of Rikkter. Not lynching day one is never a good idea. Not sure whether saying that on day one is a scum move or not - I don't think there is anyone in the sign up thread new enough to make that as a rookie mistake so it's either a dumb townie comment or wifom.

90% of my day one lynches have been when I was unable to defend myself, so coming out and announcing you are not going to be around to do so does not give you a pass IMO.

I'll be around off and on until we time out in an hour or so and can change my vote if needed. For now

Vote Rikkter

Partially due to what I have said above and partially because I think we can gain more information from the lynch if there are two viable trains going near timeout.

Within seconds/minutes, whatever, Eldat also votes Rikkter putting them on 3 votes. Now that there is momentum, regardless of the next votes, with time running out people need to vote to lynch. Fact. now there seems like there is two options on the table. 4/3 in numbers. If people remove from the 4 then that 3 grows.

Eldat Pressen, on 22 January 2014 - 01:57 AM, said:

Vote Rikkter

Not voting myself and he's the best option so far

Now what strikes me as odd is the need for Eldat to ask Aparal if he cross posts much and Aparal to respond as he did.

Eldat Pressen, on 22 January 2014 - 01:58 AM, said:

xpost much?

Aparal Forge, on 22 January 2014 - 02:01 AM, said:

Not generally.

Eldat Pressen, on 22 January 2014 - 02:07 AM, said:

Just remarking on the xposted votes

and then re explaining what he meant, to which Aparal let's him know, he knew what he meant.

Aparal Forge, on 22 January 2014 - 02:12 AM, said:

I kinda figured that.

But so that this isn't a nothing post, by this time tomorrow (real time, not game time) I do think we need to start looking at any low posters who haven't picked things up. The bottom three (Kadagar, Hentos and Okaros) have a grand total of five posts between them. Half the players have ten or more at this point, and half have four or less. I will be watching those in the latter category closely.

but then he adds where we should look tomorrow. Not at the current situation which is arising.

Aparal Forge, on 22 January 2014 - 02:14 AM, said:

Oops, for clarification the "I figured that" comment was at Eldat, not Kilava.

Xposted there.

Then Aparal actually comments to Kilava that he xposted.

It all tastes sour. Regardless of what comes next, Aparal was the leader in the change of votes and the eventual lynch of Rikkter and move away from Eldat.

[Skintick]

Also, while I am on this train of thought, if we think you are a 'hesitant vig' we leave one if our two suspects to your care, trusting we have some leeway since you would clean up our mess. Plus it pulls your own skin out of the contending for lynch candidates. A nice situation, especially if you are symp, and even better if killer. Plus I suspect dday is coming rapidly, so I would need to do some Maths to know if a fake reveal truly buys you or the killer more time. With such a small game, giving us both a finder and a vig seems like townie overkill.

To reiterate, I don't believe you, and in fact, you make me even more nervous, considering you may be the killer... Has someone else (preferably two other peeps) done the dday Maths?

[Kilava]

Skintick, on 23 January 2014 - 04:54 PM, said:

Also, while I am on this train of thought, if we think you are a 'hesitant vig' we leave one if our two suspects to your care, trusting we have some leeway since you would clean up our mess. Plus it pulls your own skin out of the contending for lynch candidates. A nice situation, especially if you are symp, and even better if killer. Plus I suspect dday is coming rapidly, so I would need to do some Maths to know if a fake reveal truly buys you or the killer more time. With such a small game, giving us both a finder and a vig seems like townie overkill.

To reiterate, I don't believe you, and in fact, you make me even more nervous, considering you may be the killer... Has someone else (preferably two other peeps) done the dday Maths?

Sigh. And now I'm the killer. Any scum will do, right? Get your blinkers off please.

There are ten people left. TEN. If I was the killer, I would not have fake revealed today - which buys me, what, one day? Oooh joy, in that time I can get it down to 6 versus 2 if the symp is alive. Darn, so close.


So no, I am not the killer, jackass.

[Kilava]

Correction: PS left Okaros in. There are 9 people left, but my point still remains very valid.