[Iparth Erule]

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Scum team consists of two killers and one symp.

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It is Day 3. 36 hours remaining


10 Players still alive: Aparal Forge, Emurlahnis, Hentos Ilm, Iparth Erule, Kadagar Fant, Karatallid, Kilava, Okaros, Silchas Ruin, Skintick

6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.


Players not voted: Aparal Forge, Emurlahnis, Hentos Ilm, Iparth Erule, Kadagar Fant, Karatallid, Kilava, Okaros, Silchas Ruin, Skintick

Scenario 1. No vig.

Today. 10 players alive. 2 scum left.

1 Lynch, 1 NK.

Tomorrow. 8 players alive. 2 scum left.

1 Lynch, 1 NK.

Third day from Now = D day.. 6 players alive. 2 Scum left.

1 Lynch, 1 NK = 4 players left and 2 scum.

Extend D day by not voting.

5 players alive and 2 scum left.

So in scenario one we have 3 days to D day.

Scenario 2. (Vig)

Today. 10 players alive. 2 scum left.

1 Lynch, 1 NK, 1 Vig

Tomorrow 7 players alive, 2 scum.

1 lynch, 1 NK

Third day 5 players alive, 2 scum. D day.

[Skintick]

Well, that supports kiliva and means leaving him alive won't send us careening into dday. Also means kil has to use his vig before getting nk'd since the killers appear to be playing rational seeing that they knocked off amp.

Who's going to ragesplode again kiliva?

I'll keep my vote where it is tho

[Kilava]

Skintick, on 23 January 2014 - 05:43 PM, said:

Well, that supports kiliva and means leaving him alive won't send us careening into dday. Also means kil has to use his vig before getting nk'd since the killers appear to be playing rational seeing that they knocked off amp.

Who's going to ragesplode again kiliva?

I'll keep my vote where it is tho

Excellent, perhaps now we can get down to the business of actually discussing the most likely suspects. Yes, I know it's Emur for you - but what I would like to see (and will try to find some time do myself, though won't be able to till tomorrow) is some good old-fashioned walls of quotes and analysis for the various peeps like Emur, Aparal, Kara et al.

[Skintick]

Go for it. I may put in my own wall later when I'm not at work... But always look at day 1. That is when scum most often betray themselves in my extensive (heh) experience.

[Emurlahnis]

Ampelas, on 22 January 2014 - 08:05 PM, said:

Emurlahnis, on 22 January 2014 - 07:34 PM, said:

When I say its possible Eldat was framed I mean to imply that the case on Eldat is bogus. Eldat could just be canon fodder like Rikkter turned out to be. I feel that Scum are trying to divide votes more than they are trying to distract us from one vote or the other. I think Town needs to fix on a decision. to clear up Day 1 business and lynch Eldat (On this I'd like more from Eldat if possible.) or to leave off it and start pressuring those behind dividing the day 1 vote.

Of the latter group Aparal Forge and Hentos still need to speak their cases regarding the swing. Aparal more so than Hentos IMO. If we get nothing from them things might turn into a train.

Atm I feel the real danger is keeping Eldat around without some proof he is a townie. The evidence around him is thin but its all the goings on afterwards that has me worried. If Eldat CFs townie it leads us down a rabbit hole with Skintick at the end. Skinticks been too vocal about this to be an obvious symp playing an angle.

I hope a better player than me can read Eldats situation a bit more concisely. At the moment I'm gonna stay my vote. Stick to my original intention, the more info on the swing the better.

I think this is a pretty clear picture of the Eldat situation. Until we actually get a CF on Eldat, the failed lynch train on him will be a whole butt-load of WIFOM.

Don't get me wrong, I intend on voting Eldat before we get too far into Day 2, as I think we need to lynch him to be certain that the failed lynch could, in fact, be a derailment as opposed to people just disliking the case against him. And you're right, if he turns up townie, then we have good reason to take a closer look at Skintick, though I suspect that Skintick's a townie regardless given his narrow scope and vocal grandstanding about how he MUST be right cause DUH!

Anyway, my vote stays on Aparal for now, as I'd really like to hear more from him than his current pile of nothingness.

My stance on the game so far. Vig me CF me I don't really mind if it keeps you calm.

Kilava as a vig sounds unusual. not too trusting but meh what else is new. if Kilava vigs me instead of hunting someone relevant on the train its a waste but my exit will make the game clearer in the long run and I actually invite it so

Remove vote

Vote Emurlahnis

I'll keep it here till either you see sense and start looking at AH, Karatalid perhaps and whomever else was pushing the Rik train.

[Hentos Ilm]

Emurlahnis, on 23 January 2014 - 04:06 PM, said:

Ah now I begin to understand. For the record cheers Ampelas. way to take one for the team. Best possible result for Town.

I wasn't even on time to land a hammer or join the vote it seems, I look pretty bad so won't be surprised if people start looking. needless to say I wasn't up to date on how things swung about. no matter, we got scum and lost the finder. Hentos is definite town on a bad Day 1 swing. Eldat was supported by the swing vote, leaving either AF or Kataralid as our second killer. We vote on that now?

Skintick was right all along and the other definate town. I will subscribe to his side of the Skintick/Kilava argument for now and await developments. I'm voting Kilava as with a CF this damning and the follow up cases Kilava looks guilty as hell.

Vote Kilava

I don't think you can really PI me based on the behaviour of scum. Skintick is probably town, but you can't really know until you see the CF. This, along with self-voting out of pique is not good town play.

[Path-Shaper]

Kilava, on 23 January 2014 - 05:03 PM, said:

Correction: PS left Okaros in. There are 9 people left, but my point still remains very valid.

Thank you, I had indeed. Post now amended

5 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

[Emurlahnis]

Hentos Ilm, on 23 January 2014 - 06:40 PM, said:

Emurlahnis, on 23 January 2014 - 04:06 PM, said:

Ah now I begin to understand. For the record cheers Ampelas. way to take one for the team. Best possible result for Town.

I wasn't even on time to land a hammer or join the vote it seems, I look pretty bad so won't be surprised if people start looking. needless to say I wasn't up to date on how things swung about. no matter, we got scum and lost the finder. Hentos is definite town on a bad Day 1 swing. Eldat was supported by the swing vote, leaving either AF or Kataralid as our second killer. We vote on that now?

Skintick was right all along and the other definate town. I will subscribe to his side of the Skintick/Kilava argument for now and await developments. I'm voting Kilava as with a CF this damning and the follow up cases Kilava looks guilty as hell.

Vote Kilava

I don't think you can really PI me based on the behaviour of scum. Skintick is probably town, but you can't really know until you see the CF. This, along with self-voting out of pique is not good town play.

Well I PI you off the assumption Eldat had you pegged as a perfect scapegoat and was happy to see you lynched. I peg Eldat as a symp but I may be wrong. anyway I peg you as PI based on that. it may not be bulletproof though but I feel you're a lower risk than most of my personal suspects. I'm not keen either way regarding Skintick. can't be bothered really, more interesting suspects are evident to me.

I'm self voting cause I honestly cannot be bothered to start a new cases when town seem happy with me as scum. Would rather let someone with credibility look at the facts. If everyones scumdar really has gone outta wack and the train picks up on me I'd rather not postpone the game arguing my case pointlessly. lets get some real cases in after, if I need to bow out for that to happen then I'm good with it. Town lose a player, sure but you all can stop pointing at my shadow and our "vig" can get some real work done.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 30 hours and 56 minutes remaining

9 Players still alive: Aparal Forge, Emurlahnis, Hentos Ilm, Iparth Erule, Kadagar Fant, Karatallid, Kilava, Silchas Ruin, Skintick

5 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Emurlahnis ( Skintick, Emurlahnis )

Players not voted: Aparal Forge, Hentos Ilm, Iparth Erule, Kadagar Fant, Karatallid, Kilava, Silchas Ruin

[Aparal Forge]

Emurlahnis, on 23 January 2014 - 07:00 PM, said:

Hentos Ilm, on 23 January 2014 - 06:40 PM, said:

Emurlahnis, on 23 January 2014 - 04:06 PM, said:

Ah now I begin to understand. For the record cheers Ampelas. way to take one for the team. Best possible result for Town.

I wasn't even on time to land a hammer or join the vote it seems, I look pretty bad so won't be surprised if people start looking. needless to say I wasn't up to date on how things swung about. no matter, we got scum and lost the finder. Hentos is definite town on a bad Day 1 swing. Eldat was supported by the swing vote, leaving either AF or Kataralid as our second killer. We vote on that now?

Skintick was right all along and the other definate town. I will subscribe to his side of the Skintick/Kilava argument for now and await developments. I'm voting Kilava as with a CF this damning and the follow up cases Kilava looks guilty as hell.

Vote Kilava

I don't think you can really PI me based on the behaviour of scum. Skintick is probably town, but you can't really know until you see the CF. This, along with self-voting out of pique is not good town play.

Well I PI you off the assumption Eldat had you pegged as a perfect scapegoat and was happy to see you lynched. I peg Eldat as a symp but I may be wrong. anyway I peg you as PI based on that. it may not be bulletproof though but I feel you're a lower risk than most of my personal suspects. I'm not keen either way regarding Skintick. can't be bothered really, more interesting suspects are evident to me.

I'm self voting cause I honestly cannot be bothered to start a new cases when town seem happy with me as scum. Would rather let someone with credibility look at the facts. If everyones scumdar really has gone outta wack and the train picks up on me I'd rather not postpone the game arguing my case pointlessly. lets get some real cases in after, if I need to bow out for that to happen then I'm good with it. Town lose a player, sure but you all can stop pointing at my shadow and our "vig" can get some real work done.

Bolded is mine: Since when do symps CF scum?

Hentos is not PI IMO, the entire fake reveal is just a can of WIFOM. Hentos was one of the scummiest looking votes on the swing train (I would peg it as him, Kara and Kilava, though not sure the order I would put them in). If the lynch on Eldat had gone through without the fake reveal, the next day(s) would have been spent hunting down those on the swing train. If we are assuming that the other killer was on that train -- which is a reasonable assumption from my point of view (though obviously not the only thing we should be looking at) -- then Hentos and his low posting ways probably had another day or two. Without Eldat knowing that someone had made a find on him, "finding" his partner would get one of them lynched and the other PIed. In short, PIing Hentos based on a fake scum reveal is a bad idea.

Going to grab a bit, but I'll come back in a bit and address the comments against me amongst other things.

[Aparal Forge]

Iparth Erule, on 23 January 2014 - 04:54 PM, said:

So I would like to point out here that Emur's vote start of day two seems very off. They didn't even vote day one. Is that because they didn't want to be on the swing train? However, I will show you why I think Aparal is the second killer.

First of all, here's proof of Kilava adding a 4th vote to Eldat.

Kilava, on 22 January 2014 - 01:47 AM, said:

Remove Vote

Vote Eldat Pressen


Not because I like it, but because nothing else is even close to happening today.

Path-Shaper, on 22 January 2014 - 01:55 AM, said:

It is Day 1. 1 hour and 5 minutes remaining

14 Players still alive: Ampelas, Aparal Forge, Eldat Pressen, Emurlahnis, Hentos Ilm, Iparth Erule, Kadagar Fant, Karatallid, Kilava, Okaros, Prazec Goul, Rikkter, Silchas Ruin, Skintick

8 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

4 Votes for Eldat Pressen ( Skintick, Ampelas, Iparth Erule, Kilava )
1 Vote for Rikkter ( Prazec Goul )
1 Vote for Kilava ( Silchas Ruin )

Players not voted: Aparal Forge, Eldat Pressen, Emurlahnis, Hentos Ilm, Kadagar Fant, Karatallid, Okaros, Rikkter

This is the situation. We need 4 votes to lynch and time is running out. Around one hour left. That is a very short window for this to go anywhere. Too short to even have the numbers for a lynch. (I love how this is a first day one lynch in a while and it just goes to show that you should always lynch day one)

Aparal doesn't like the Eldat lynch. He echoes my earlier reason for voting Rikkter ie not wanting to vote day one. So he adds a vote to the player with the lowest number of votes.

Aparal Forge, on 22 January 2014 - 01:56 AM, said:

Not really thrilled about the case on Eldat. I never like lynches for playing smooth, which is what it amounts to.

At least they seem to be trying to be helpful, while almost the exact opposite can be said of Rikkter. Not lynching day one is never a good idea. Not sure whether saying that on day one is a scum move or not - I don't think there is anyone in the sign up thread new enough to make that as a rookie mistake so it's either a dumb townie comment or wifom.

90% of my day one lynches have been when I was unable to defend myself, so coming out and announcing you are not going to be around to do so does not give you a pass IMO.

I'll be around off and on until we time out in an hour or so and can change my vote if needed. For now

Vote Rikkter

Partially due to what I have said above and partially because I think we can gain more information from the lynch if there are two viable trains going near timeout.

Within seconds/minutes, whatever, Eldat also votes Rikkter putting them on 3 votes. Now that there is momentum, regardless of the next votes, with time running out people need to vote to lynch. Fact. now there seems like there is two options on the table. 4/3 in numbers. If people remove from the 4 then that 3 grows.

Eldat being on any other train was a given, this is not a momentum builder. As I stated I was present and willing to switch back, and would have if the Kara and/or Hentos votes fell differently.

Eldat Pressen, on 22 January 2014 - 01:57 AM, said:

Vote Rikkter

Not voting myself and he's the best option so far

Now what strikes me as odd is the need for Eldat to ask Aparal if he cross posts much and Aparal to respond as he did.

Eldat Pressen, on 22 January 2014 - 01:58 AM, said:

xpost much?

Aparal Forge, on 22 January 2014 - 02:01 AM, said:

Not generally.

Eldat Pressen, on 22 January 2014 - 02:07 AM, said:

Just remarking on the xposted votes

and then re explaining what he meant, to which Aparal let's him know, he knew what he meant.

Aparal Forge, on 22 January 2014 - 02:12 AM, said:

I kinda figured that.

But so that this isn't a nothing post, by this time tomorrow (real time, not game time) I do think we need to start looking at any low posters who haven't picked things up. The bottom three (Kadagar, Hentos and Okaros) have a grand total of five posts between them. Half the players have ten or more at this point, and half have four or less. I will be watching those in the latter category closely.

but then he adds where we should look tomorrow. Not at the current situation which is arising.

This is called poking the low poster to try and get some comments from them.

Aparal Forge, on 22 January 2014 - 02:14 AM, said:

Oops, for clarification the "I figured that" comment was at Eldat, not Kilava.

Xposted there.

Then Aparal actually comments to Kilava that he xposted.

It all tastes sour. Regardless of what comes next, Aparal was the leader in the change of votes and the eventual lynch of Rikkter and move away from Eldat.

Basically, you seem to think that I ran a train away from Eldat by being the second vote on the Rikkter train. Combined with some day one chat, that makes you think I am scum. Did I run the successful train on Eldat by being one of the earliest votes there too? Obviously there were things that happened afterwards in both cases, including the votes that actually swung the day one train.

Edit: Colour change on the last line of red coloured text.

This post has been edited by Aparal Forge: 24 January 2014 - 02:41 AM

[Path-Shaper]

Mod notice: Please only use bolding for votes.

[Aparal Forge]

Path-Shaper, on 24 January 2014 - 02:42 AM, said:

Mod notice: Please only use bolding for votes.

Fair enough, I'll underline/colour change in the future.

Nice to see there is someone else around though

[Aparal Forge]

I see either Emu or Kilava as a potential symp. If we have two kills tonight, that makes KIlava unlikely to be the symp. Of the other two swing votes, we have Kara approaching mod kill time out and Hentos. At the moment I am buying my own WIFOM argument that the fake reveal was to PI one of the killers.

Vote Hentos Ilm

[Path-Shaper]

Aparal Forge, on 24 January 2014 - 02:54 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 24 January 2014 - 02:42 AM, said:

Mod notice: Please only use bolding for votes.

Fair enough, I'll underline/colour change in the future.

Nice to see there is someone else around though

It always sucks being the only one on thread

[Emurlahnis]

Aparal Forge, on 24 January 2014 - 03:20 AM, said:

I see either Emu or Kilava as a potential symp. If we have two kills tonight, that makes KIlava unlikely to be the symp. Of the other two swing votes, we have Kara approaching mod kill time out and Hentos. At the moment I am buying my own WIFOM argument that the fake reveal was to PI one of the killers.

Vote Hentos Ilm

Sorry I didn't realize assuming Eldat is a symp was illogical, Symp CF rules are always a mess for me, guess I get that vig. Believe it or not your Meta (which should be obvious by now) should give you a clue as to whether its in my character to make this mistake.

So Hentos comes out to kindly point out assuming he is PI would be a mistake whilst AF highlights the fake reveal by Eldat could sets him up to be PI on purpose. If as you say the fake reveal was intentionally trying to create PI on the other killer Why would Hentos draw attention to this? If Hentos was our killer and/or symp he wouldn't have had to say anything to support Ampelas. Infact he'd rather have diverted the vote towards Ampelas rather than switch it back on Eldat. I guess if there was a purpose to the fake reveal it was to actually reveal the real finder.

Should we lynch Hentos Ilm and then see a day 4 scenario, won't we have to lynch AF aswell to be certain you're not messing with us? I think assuming Hentos is scum seems off target. my assumptions are just gonna raise suspicions though. Its up to Hentos Ilm to reply to this properly.

[Iparth Erule]

Vote Emurlahnis

Not just because of the self vote, but because at the start of day two you voted for me without looking at day one properly. You also didn't vote day one, and we know scum got away without a lynch.

[Kilava]

Alright, we have L-2 on Emur with some 15 hours to go. Can we slow it down a notch on the lynching? I still haven't had a chance to go over the thread and I certainly haven't submitted my vig yet.

[Emurlahnis]

Iparth Erule, on 24 January 2014 - 08:39 AM, said:

Vote Emurlahnis

Not just because of the self vote, but because at the start of day two you voted for me without looking at day one properly. You also didn't vote day one, and we know scum got away without a lynch.

IE:

Your first reason I follow.

Reason two reads to me as a retaliation vote, not sure why as all my votes at that point were to pressure out responses. My intention was always to vote Eldat day 2, the fake reveal had me and that's the only reason I hesitated on that count, bad play on my part. I made no real claim on you as scum IE, I wanted info from you as you had the spotlight at the time. your explanation satisfied me and I moved on. looking at you now I still can't tell if you're a symp or not. heck maybe you're the killer? I just think stronger evidence points in a better direction.

Reason three I have explained away ad nauseum. I did not vote because neither case had me convinced. Rikkters case felt contrived and Eldats case was, at that point, lynched around him being too perfect a townie. Scum tends to get away with day 1, poor reason to peg me as one thing or the other.

I'm gonna walk you through the Day1 train as I saw it (tried hard to avoid this as whatever perspective I give is schewed, I get that). I just hope this makes things less confusing once you get my CF.

Path-Shaper, on 22 January 2014 - 01:55 AM, said:

It is Day 1. 1 hour and 5 minutes remaining

14 Players still alive: Ampelas, Aparal Forge, Eldat Pressen, Emurlahnis, Hentos Ilm, Iparth Erule, Kadagar Fant, Karatallid, Kilava, Okaros, Prazec Goul, Rikkter, Silchas Ruin, Skintick

8 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

4 Votes for Eldat Pressen ( Skintick, Ampelas, Iparth Erule, Kilava )
1 Vote for Rikkter ( Prazec Goul )
1 Vote for Kilava ( Silchas Ruin )

Players not voted: Aparal Forge, Eldat Pressen, Emurlahnis, Hentos Ilm, Kadagar Fant, Karatallid, Okaros, Rikkter

At this point the train on Eldat seemed to comprise of one gut feel, one finder, and two on the train just wanting town to get a lynch day 1. this support did not help me build confidence in the train. I kept silent against it though. we've been lucky before off gut feels and I wasn't gonna complicate things with nay-saying against the off chance Skintick was correct. Decided I'd sit back and wait to see how Eldat would respond.

Path-Shaper, on 22 January 2014 - 02:07 AM, said:

It is Day 1. 52 minutes remaining

14 Players still alive: Ampelas, Aparal Forge, Eldat Pressen, Emurlahnis, Hentos Ilm, Iparth Erule, Kadagar Fant, Karatallid, Kilava, Okaros, Prazec Goul, Rikkter, Silchas Ruin, Skintick

8 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

3 Votes for Rikkter ( Prazec Goul, Aparal Forge, Eldat Pressen )
1 Vote for Kilava ( Silchas Ruin )
4 Votes for Eldat Pressen ( Skintick, Ampelas, Iparth Erule, Kilava )

Players not voted: Emurlahnis, Hentos Ilm, Kadagar Fant, Karatallid, Okaros, Rikkter

Then we got a switch over to Rikkter. Prazec had held a speculative stance on Rikkter, not very strong but he felt it was a better seat for his vote. I didn't support the train at all but hoped this would get Rikkter back in here. The longer Rikkter kept off the forum in the face of this accusation the less likely he seemed to be lurking and the more upfront his cover story looked.

Aparal Forge jumped on this train and Eldat immediately followed suit. Alarm bells rang in my head and I was looking forward to Eldats CF because there was a ton wrong with this new train.

Karatallid, on 22 January 2014 - 02:30 AM, said:

This is a tough call. I'm around to change.

vote Rikkter

Karatalid came in with the type of Vote I really couldn't agree with. Didn't feel very convinced, the vote effectively split the lynch train in half and made the likelihood of a successful lynch less likely. I followed up on this day 2. but never really wanted a lynch on Karatalid, a CF on Eldat was a priority. I missed the boat Day 1 and Day 2, Karatalid gave a decent account of himself later on in Day 2 but I find that I still suspect either AF or Karatalid was trying to stop the lynch, Perhaps both.

Path-Shaper, on 22 January 2014 - 02:42 AM, said:

It is Day 1. 18 minutes remaining


14 Players still alive: Ampelas, Aparal Forge, Eldat Pressen, Emurlahnis, Hentos Ilm, Iparth Erule, Kadagar Fant, Karatallid, Kilava, Okaros, Prazec Goul, Rikkter, Silchas Ruin, Skintick

8 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

7 Votes for Rikkter ( Ampelas, Prazec Goul, Aparal Forge, Eldat Pressen, Karatallid, Hentos Ilm, Kilava )
2 Votes for Eldat Pressen ( Skintick, Iparth Erule )
1 Vote for Kilava ( Silchas Ruin )

Players not voted: Emurlahnis, Kadagar Fant, Okaros, Rikkter

18 minutes left and Hentos Ilm and Kilava join the train. at this point if Rikkter was playing games with us he'd have shown up. I was convinced this was the wrong train but did not think voting Eldat at this point would yield anything nor would introducing a fourth train with a rushed case on Karatalid or AF. I decided to reserved my vote. unusual but not unheard of. A lynch was important but I was sure this was the wrong train. I didn't think holding off on Day 1 would cheapen my stance against Eldat Day 2. I made my first vote on him and would have made him my last vote had I kept track of the votes correctly.

Path-Shaper, on 22 January 2014 - 02:59 AM, said:

It is Day 1. 1 minute remaining


14 Players still alive: Ampelas, Aparal Forge, Eldat Pressen, Emurlahnis, Hentos Ilm, Iparth Erule, Kadagar Fant, Karatallid, Kilava, Okaros, Prazec Goul, Rikkter, Silchas Ruin, Skintick

8 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

7 Votes for Rikkter ( Ampelas, Prazec Goul, Aparal Forge, Eldat Pressen, Karatallid, Hentos Ilm, Kilava )
2 Votes for Eldat Pressen ( Skintick, Iparth Erule )
1 Vote for Kilava ( Silchas Ruin )

Players not voted: Emurlahnis, Kadagar Fant, Okaros, Rikkter

I was not alone in avoiding the two trains but I realize I may have been the best positioned to balance things out mid lynch. In this particular game my vote activity isn't doing me any favors but I think I did make my stance on scum pretty clear and a vig or lynch on me should lead to some interesting follow up play. Anyways I still can't decide which of my preferred suspects is the best fit for the killer.

AF was followed onto the Rikkter train by Eldat linking the two. Karatalid split the vote. Kilava was second to last on the Rikkter train, followed by Skintick a bit of a convenient hammer considering all the back and forth between the two. Other than myself I think the best place for the killer would be the early 4 votes. Apparently Scum got pretty desperate to pull a fake reveal drawing out our finder. looking at the Rikkter train...I've the opinion AFs vote followed by Eldat was the most desperate and therefore (IMO) most likely move for scum.

Again very schewed opinion as I'm the popular candidate this round. Rather CF me and get the "vig" to handle whatever conclusions a train on me may divulge.

[Iparth Erule]

Remove Vote

Vote Karatallid

You know what, i like your response there Emur. For now I will vote Kara because of what you and others have said up thread. At least you are responding to the votes against you. I do think we need to clear Hentos, Aparal, Kara and yourself. One of you is the other killer.