[Path-Shaper]

Alright, as the forum going down has obviously affected the game, I'm adding a few hours to the clock, as it will take time for people to realise the forum is back up.


So from this post, there are 12 hours remaining.

[Ghennan]

So, I can see how my last vote could be considered scummy, but there were a few reasons I had for where I voted. The post I had made before that had been simply throwing a few names out to see what kind of consensus we could get about votes. When I had time to read back it seemed that my suspicions were unfounded, so I didn't vote that way. The whole day I had been focussed on Ultama and MO, and when MO was modkilled it took the wind out of my sails. I didn't have any strong feelings about anyone, but I wanted to leave a vote before I went to bed, so I felt it best to follow a vote that had already been made, as I didn't have time to build my own case.

Right now, it's past midnight on a Friday night, so I'm not going to make a case now. I'll definitely have time tomorrow before time out to return, so I'll see then what progress has been made, and share my suspicions about Grasp.

I do think it's interesting that Fanderay and Hanas have been linked, and since then they have both arrived and tried to start separate trains, so I'm happy with my vote where it is at the moment.

[Lock]

Anybody agree with me that Hanas was trying to derail from Fandy yesterday?

[Fanderay]

I'm back. I see Khell has graciously given you guys more time to try to lynch me.

[Fanderay]

Ultama, on 25 October 2013 - 08:10 AM, said:

Fanderay, on 24 October 2013 - 02:54 PM, said:

Ultama, you asked me for my no 2. suspect. I gave you one. thoughts?

I did have a fucking long post written out. Gist of it was that Ghennan could be scum.

here is the post count change in activity from day one to near end of day two.

Cast + 4 posts

Grasp + 12 posts

Hanas + 18 posts

Ghennan + 19 posts

Lock + 20 posts

Jalan + 30 posts

Fanderay + 41 posts

Ultama + 54 posts

Trake + 64 posts

Change in activity from day one to day two.

Trake and I were top posters day one.

Hanas, Ghennan and Lock where bottom posters day one.

Grasp, who was up there day one is now one of the lower posters day two.

So activity wise Grasps behaviour has changed the most relativity anyway. Ie Day one he had 11 posts and day two he had 12 posts. So it's constant. I mean his position in the table of posters has changed the most.

My biggest concern is Jalan, he has 42 posts of which non stand out. Cast looks disinterested, very much on the end of low poster coasting.

ugh. using post counts, esp with a forum breakdown... have you taken timezones in account?

re: Cast. so you think he's a bored inno, or low posting scum? just saying "he's coasting" doesn't give us much.

[Cast]

Well, I was really upset when the forum went down, I had actually made it almost half way through catching up yesterday and then the forum went down! Another day to do the catch up game is nice too, given I've been busier than usual at work lately!

[Ultama]

Fanderay, on 25 October 2013 - 01:31 PM, said:

Ultama, on 25 October 2013 - 08:10 AM, said:

Fanderay, on 24 October 2013 - 02:54 PM, said:

Ultama, you asked me for my no 2. suspect. I gave you one. thoughts?

I did have a fucking long post written out. Gist of it was that Ghennan could be scum.

here is the post count change in activity from day one to near end of day two.

Cast + 4 posts

Grasp + 12 posts

Hanas + 18 posts

Ghennan + 19 posts

Lock + 20 posts

Jalan + 30 posts

Fanderay + 41 posts

Ultama + 54 posts

Trake + 64 posts

Change in activity from day one to day two.

Trake and I were top posters day one.

Hanas, Ghennan and Lock where bottom posters day one.

Grasp, who was up there day one is now one of the lower posters day two.

So activity wise Grasps behaviour has changed the most relativity anyway. Ie Day one he had 11 posts and day two he had 12 posts. So it's constant. I mean his position in the table of posters has changed the most.

My biggest concern is Jalan, he has 42 posts of which non stand out. Cast looks disinterested, very much on the end of low poster coasting.

ugh. using post counts, esp with a forum breakdown... have you taken timezones in account?

re: Cast. so you think he's a bored inno, or low posting scum? just saying "he's coasting" doesn't give us much.

This was before the forum melt down.

What do you think regarding Cast?

[Path-Shaper]

Jalan, on 24 October 2013 - 02:42 PM, said:

Fanderay, on 24 October 2013 - 02:38 PM, said:

[snip]

well, once they lynch me and you don't die, they'll know it's not the case. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't allow married couples in a monastery in The Name of the Rose, being all Catholic-like.

Didn't a lot of monastaries have weird double man monk pseudoweddings?

To the best of my knowledge, I have no idea what you're talking about

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 6 hours and 42 minutes remaining.


9 players alive: Cast, Fanderay, Ghennan, Grasp, Hanas, Jalan, Lock, Trake, Ultama

5 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

2 votes Fanderay: Ghennan, Grasp
1 vote Jalan: Hanas
1 vote Ghennan: Fanderay
1 vote Ultama: Jalan

Players not voted: Cast, Lock, Trake, Ultama

[Jalan]

Path-Shaper, on 25 October 2013 - 01:39 PM, said:

Jalan, on 24 October 2013 - 02:42 PM, said:

Fanderay, on 24 October 2013 - 02:38 PM, said:

[snip]

well, once they lynch me and you don't die, they'll know it's not the case. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't allow married couples in a monastery in The Name of the Rose, being all Catholic-like.

Didn't a lot of monastaries have weird double man monk pseudoweddings?

To the best of my knowledge, I have no idea what you're talking about

It's not something I really know anything about. I just heard of it in passing.

Of course the last monastary we had in this sub-forum had Morgoth as a busty nun or something like that. Nothing you can do will be as horrifying as that.

[Cast]

I'm liking the connection that people have made between Hanas and Fanderay. They've been arguing on thread just enough to make it SEEM like they're unconnected, so that could very well be planned communication. At one point Fanderay freaked out cause we were voting him because Hanas was protecting him. That makes sense if Hanas is a symp. I'd rather catch the master than the symp.



vote Fanderay

[Path-Shaper]

Jalan, on 25 October 2013 - 01:50 PM, said:

Of course the last monastary we had in this sub-forum had Morgoth as a busty nun or something like that. Nothing you can do will be as horrifying as that.

Sounds like a challenge!

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 6 hours and 27 minutes remaining.


9 players alive: Cast, Fanderay, Ghennan, Grasp, Hanas, Jalan, Lock, Trake, Ultama

5 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

3 votes Fanderay: Ghennan, Grasp, Cast
1 vote Jalan: Hanas
1 vote Ghennan: Fanderay
1 vote Ultama: Jalan

Players not voted: Lock, Trake, Ultama

[Fanderay]

Cast, on 25 October 2013 - 01:51 PM, said:

I'm liking the connection that people have made between Hanas and Fanderay. They've been arguing on thread just enough to make it SEEM like they're unconnected, so that could very well be planned communication. At one point Fanderay freaked out cause we were voting him because Hanas was protecting him. That makes sense if Hanas is a symp. I'd rather catch the master than the symp.



vote Fanderay

BS. show me where I was arguing with Hanas.

Me telling him to go fuck himself doesn't count, because he was just the latest of people to spew forth the "Ultama always plays like a moron on Day 2 when inno, so i don't wanna vote him". line.

Look, I can live with people voting me off on a shaky case, but for the love of all that is holy, at least make the effort to parrot someone else's case properly if you're gonna just lazily tag along.

[Jalan]

Ultama, on 25 October 2013 - 08:10 AM, said:

Fanderay, on 24 October 2013 - 02:54 PM, said:

Ultama, you asked me for my no 2. suspect. I gave you one. thoughts?

I did have a fucking long post written out. Gist of it was that Ghennan could be scum.

here is the post count change in activity from day one to near end of day two.

Cast + 4 posts

Grasp + 12 posts

Hanas + 18 posts

Ghennan + 19 posts

Lock + 20 posts

Jalan + 30 posts

Fanderay + 41 posts

Ultama + 54 posts

Trake + 64 posts

Change in activity from day one to day two.

Trake and I were top posters day one.

Hanas, Ghennan and Lock where bottom posters day one.

Grasp, who was up there day one is now one of the lower posters day two.

So activity wise Grasps behaviour has changed the most relativity anyway. Ie Day one he had 11 posts and day two he had 12 posts. So it's constant. I mean his position in the table of posters has changed the most.

My biggest concern is Jalan, he has 42 posts of which non stand out. Cast looks disinterested, very much on the end of low poster coasting.

You lost me at day one.

I usually change posting habits from day 1 onwards in every mafia game I play here, simply because we always start on a Monday. Looks like I'm not the only one.

So what's your point?

You're quick to say this alt has changed post quantities and that "my biggest concern is Jalan" but you don't have any reasoning for why a change in posting quantities matters at all.

A case is not just "Look at this thing. Therefore scum!" because you can do that for literally any single post, habit, timing, etc. You need to actually justify or reason that the thing you are pointing out is an indication of scum over town.

[/mafia coach]


Also, scum love lists.

[Fanderay]

Jalan, on 25 October 2013 - 01:55 PM, said:

Ultama, on 25 October 2013 - 08:10 AM, said:

Fanderay, on 24 October 2013 - 02:54 PM, said:

Ultama, you asked me for my no 2. suspect. I gave you one. thoughts?

I did have a fucking long post written out. Gist of it was that Ghennan could be scum.

here is the post count change in activity from day one to near end of day two.

Cast + 4 posts

Grasp + 12 posts

Hanas + 18 posts

Ghennan + 19 posts

Lock + 20 posts

Jalan + 30 posts

Fanderay + 41 posts

Ultama + 54 posts

Trake + 64 posts

Change in activity from day one to day two.

Trake and I were top posters day one.

Hanas, Ghennan and Lock where bottom posters day one.

Grasp, who was up there day one is now one of the lower posters day two.

So activity wise Grasps behaviour has changed the most relativity anyway. Ie Day one he had 11 posts and day two he had 12 posts. So it's constant. I mean his position in the table of posters has changed the most.

My biggest concern is Jalan, he has 42 posts of which non stand out. Cast looks disinterested, very much on the end of low poster coasting.

You lost me at day one.

I usually change posting habits from day 1 onwards in every mafia game I play here, simply because we always start on a Monday. Looks like I'm not the only one.

So what's your point?

You're quick to say this alt has changed post quantities and that "my biggest concern is Jalan" but you don't have any reasoning for why a change in posting quantities matters at all.

A case is not just "Look at this thing. Therefore scum!" because you can do that for literally any single post, habit, timing, etc. You need to actually justify or reason that the thing you are pointing out is an indication of scum over town.

[/mafia coach]


Also, scum love lists.

To be fair, he did say "he has 42 posts, none of which stand out". People have got to stop trying to strawman away every single post about themselves.

[Jalan]

Fanderay, on 25 October 2013 - 01:58 PM, said:

Jalan, on 25 October 2013 - 01:55 PM, said:

Ultama, on 25 October 2013 - 08:10 AM, said:

Fanderay, on 24 October 2013 - 02:54 PM, said:

Ultama, you asked me for my no 2. suspect. I gave you one. thoughts?

I did have a fucking long post written out. Gist of it was that Ghennan could be scum.

here is the post count change in activity from day one to near end of day two.

Cast + 4 posts

Grasp + 12 posts

Hanas + 18 posts

Ghennan + 19 posts

Lock + 20 posts

Jalan + 30 posts

Fanderay + 41 posts

Ultama + 54 posts

Trake + 64 posts

Change in activity from day one to day two.

Trake and I were top posters day one.

Hanas, Ghennan and Lock where bottom posters day one.

Grasp, who was up there day one is now one of the lower posters day two.

So activity wise Grasps behaviour has changed the most relativity anyway. Ie Day one he had 11 posts and day two he had 12 posts. So it's constant. I mean his position in the table of posters has changed the most.

My biggest concern is Jalan, he has 42 posts of which non stand out. Cast looks disinterested, very much on the end of low poster coasting.

You lost me at day one.

I usually change posting habits from day 1 onwards in every mafia game I play here, simply because we always start on a Monday. Looks like I'm not the only one.

So what's your point?

You're quick to say this alt has changed post quantities and that "my biggest concern is Jalan" but you don't have any reasoning for why a change in posting quantities matters at all.

A case is not just "Look at this thing. Therefore scum!" because you can do that for literally any single post, habit, timing, etc. You need to actually justify or reason that the thing you are pointing out is an indication of scum over town.

[/mafia coach]


Also, scum love lists.

To be fair, he did say "he has 42 posts, none of which stand out". People have got to stop trying to strawman away every single post about themselves.

I'm criticizing the overall effort of looking at everyone's post migrations. Just seems stupid IMO unless Ultama can somehow justify it.

Also I are being teh mafia coachez.

But I agree, the bits on me and Cast specifically are not as needing of explanation.

I absolutely disagree with the accusations against me, of course.

[Fanderay]

Jalan, on 25 October 2013 - 02:02 PM, said:

Fanderay, on 25 October 2013 - 01:58 PM, said:

Jalan, on 25 October 2013 - 01:55 PM, said:

Ultama, on 25 October 2013 - 08:10 AM, said:

Fanderay, on 24 October 2013 - 02:54 PM, said:

Ultama, you asked me for my no 2. suspect. I gave you one. thoughts?

I did have a fucking long post written out. Gist of it was that Ghennan could be scum.

here is the post count change in activity from day one to near end of day two.

Cast + 4 posts

Grasp + 12 posts

Hanas + 18 posts

Ghennan + 19 posts

Lock + 20 posts

Jalan + 30 posts

Fanderay + 41 posts

Ultama + 54 posts

Trake + 64 posts

Change in activity from day one to day two.

Trake and I were top posters day one.

Hanas, Ghennan and Lock where bottom posters day one.

Grasp, who was up there day one is now one of the lower posters day two.

So activity wise Grasps behaviour has changed the most relativity anyway. Ie Day one he had 11 posts and day two he had 12 posts. So it's constant. I mean his position in the table of posters has changed the most.

My biggest concern is Jalan, he has 42 posts of which non stand out. Cast looks disinterested, very much on the end of low poster coasting.

You lost me at day one.

I usually change posting habits from day 1 onwards in every mafia game I play here, simply because we always start on a Monday. Looks like I'm not the only one.

So what's your point?

You're quick to say this alt has changed post quantities and that "my biggest concern is Jalan" but you don't have any reasoning for why a change in posting quantities matters at all.

A case is not just "Look at this thing. Therefore scum!" because you can do that for literally any single post, habit, timing, etc. You need to actually justify or reason that the thing you are pointing out is an indication of scum over town.

[/mafia coach]


Also, scum love lists.

To be fair, he did say "he has 42 posts, none of which stand out". People have got to stop trying to strawman away every single post about themselves.

I'm criticizing the overall effort of looking at everyone's post migrations. Just seems stupid IMO unless Ultama can somehow justify it.

Also I are being teh mafia coachez.

But I agree, the bits on me and Cast specifically are not as needing of explanation.

I absolutely disagree with the accusations against me, of course.

of course.

now, what do you make of Cast twisting the case on me around and then voting for his made-up version of reasons?

[Ultama]

Aargh! I just read a lot of your posts day 2 Jalan. You do ask a lot of questions, you do poke around with people's posts and you did make a case and vote. So something else must be nagging me about you. You are actually kinda alright. I have not got the time to go through your posts in depth to find out what it is that bothers me about you.

[Fanderay]

Ultama, on 25 October 2013 - 02:08 PM, said:

Aargh! I just read a lot of your posts day 2 Jalan. You do ask a lot of questions, you do poke around with people's posts and you did make a case and vote. So something else must be nagging me about you. You are actually kinda alright. I have not got the time to go through your posts in depth to find out what it is that bothers me about you.

you do that a lot, y'know,

this is second time you got soundly called out on leveling accusations without much factual basis.

see, this is why a more focused approach on a few players is better than your scattershot-accuse-everyone-of-some-minor-things-and-see-how-they-react one.