[Ultama]

Hanas, on 23 October 2013 - 02:22 PM, said:

Ultama, on 23 October 2013 - 02:14 PM, said:

Hanas, on 23 October 2013 - 02:05 PM, said:

Ultama, on 23 October 2013 - 08:01 AM, said:

Here, awake and surprised I am alive. Why the fuck we couldn't get a lynch is beyond me, I knew it, I knew Togg would come on with a last minute, "I will post more at a later time" promise. It's not a huge deal we didn't lynch as it pushes D day back which the scum will not like. Now to have a look at everyone and see why people are keeping low, why we didn't get a lynch and anything else that comes to mind.

I can't help but ask how it is not a big deal for town considering we delay a lynch on a consensus suspicious character - whether that's you, or Monok, or Trake, or Togg, or whomever. Because unless we shift play style dramatically, we will just do the day 1 lynch day 2, and we're a full day behind on acting on our suspicions.

It's a big deal if it happens every game, I am talking about this game in particular. There is a reason we didn't get a lynch we just don't know it yet. Are scum holding off? A lot of people didn't participate on day one, we have more activity today so therefore we should be able to manage a lynch.

I'd say only the current game counts, as the past is the past.
As for a reason... pff. Non-participation, mid-train switch, OM halting his lynch (I'm firmly with Fanderay on that topic). Pick your reason. Or have two at the price of one.

As for your mistaken belief that scum is responsible for the no-lynch: first you argue that a no-lynch is good for town, now you say scum did it by holding of or manipulating the thread (I assume that's what you mean by not knowing the reason). Contradicting yourself much?
Anyway, scum is a minority and as a group they cannot make or break a lynch without a danger of exposing themselves - I have seen individual scum do it through great lying, reasoning, deflection and soothing but I'd say none of that was of influence here unless it was MO.

This is the reason why he has to be lynched today. If he comes back scum it will look bad on me. He is still one of my suspects and was before all you baffoons started to jump up and down on the easy lynch.

In terms of the no lynch being good for town, was not something i'd promote, i'd prefer a lynch over a no lynch but we weren't going to get one on day one unless it was through bad town play. I could have been erratic like Trake on day one but that would have ended in Trake or I being lynched I reckon, it's a good guess anyway. Togg wasn't there to post or vote, you had one post and not much participation (which I understand) then the other posts being 3 or 4, it's just not good enough.

[Fanderay]

Ultama, on 23 October 2013 - 02:28 PM, said:

Hanas, on 23 October 2013 - 02:22 PM, said:

Ultama, on 23 October 2013 - 02:14 PM, said:

Hanas, on 23 October 2013 - 02:05 PM, said:

Ultama, on 23 October 2013 - 08:01 AM, said:

Here, awake and surprised I am alive. Why the fuck we couldn't get a lynch is beyond me, I knew it, I knew Togg would come on with a last minute, "I will post more at a later time" promise. It's not a huge deal we didn't lynch as it pushes D day back which the scum will not like. Now to have a look at everyone and see why people are keeping low, why we didn't get a lynch and anything else that comes to mind.

I can't help but ask how it is not a big deal for town considering we delay a lynch on a consensus suspicious character - whether that's you, or Monok, or Trake, or Togg, or whomever. Because unless we shift play style dramatically, we will just do the day 1 lynch day 2, and we're a full day behind on acting on our suspicions.

It's a big deal if it happens every game, I am talking about this game in particular. There is a reason we didn't get a lynch we just don't know it yet. Are scum holding off? A lot of people didn't participate on day one, we have more activity today so therefore we should be able to manage a lynch.

I'd say only the current game counts, as the past is the past.
As for a reason... pff. Non-participation, mid-train switch, OM halting his lynch (I'm firmly with Fanderay on that topic). Pick your reason. Or have two at the price of one.

As for your mistaken belief that scum is responsible for the no-lynch: first you argue that a no-lynch is good for town, now you say scum did it by holding of or manipulating the thread (I assume that's what you mean by not knowing the reason). Contradicting yourself much?
Anyway, scum is a minority and as a group they cannot make or break a lynch without a danger of exposing themselves - I have seen individual scum do it through great lying, reasoning, deflection and soothing but I'd say none of that was of influence here unless it was MO.

This is the reason why he has to be lynched today. If he comes back scum it will look bad on me. He is still one of my suspects and was before all you baffoons started to jump up and down on the easy lynch.

In terms of the no lynch being good for town, was not something i'd promote, i'd prefer a lynch over a no lynch but we weren't going to get one on day one unless it was through bad town play. I could have been erratic like Trake on day one but that would have ended in Trake or I being lynched I reckon, it's a good guess anyway. Togg wasn't there to post or vote, you had one post and not much participation (which I understand) then the other posts being 3 or 4, it's just not good enough.

I think MO is symping you, so I'd much rather vote you. You labeling him as your "suspect" fits with that.

[Ultama]

Fanderay, on 23 October 2013 - 02:33 PM, said:

Ultama, on 23 October 2013 - 02:28 PM, said:

Hanas, on 23 October 2013 - 02:22 PM, said:

Ultama, on 23 October 2013 - 02:14 PM, said:

Hanas, on 23 October 2013 - 02:05 PM, said:

Ultama, on 23 October 2013 - 08:01 AM, said:

Here, awake and surprised I am alive. Why the fuck we couldn't get a lynch is beyond me, I knew it, I knew Togg would come on with a last minute, "I will post more at a later time" promise. It's not a huge deal we didn't lynch as it pushes D day back which the scum will not like. Now to have a look at everyone and see why people are keeping low, why we didn't get a lynch and anything else that comes to mind.

I can't help but ask how it is not a big deal for town considering we delay a lynch on a consensus suspicious character - whether that's you, or Monok, or Trake, or Togg, or whomever. Because unless we shift play style dramatically, we will just do the day 1 lynch day 2, and we're a full day behind on acting on our suspicions.

It's a big deal if it happens every game, I am talking about this game in particular. There is a reason we didn't get a lynch we just don't know it yet. Are scum holding off? A lot of people didn't participate on day one, we have more activity today so therefore we should be able to manage a lynch.

I'd say only the current game counts, as the past is the past.
As for a reason... pff. Non-participation, mid-train switch, OM halting his lynch (I'm firmly with Fanderay on that topic). Pick your reason. Or have two at the price of one.

As for your mistaken belief that scum is responsible for the no-lynch: first you argue that a no-lynch is good for town, now you say scum did it by holding of or manipulating the thread (I assume that's what you mean by not knowing the reason). Contradicting yourself much?
Anyway, scum is a minority and as a group they cannot make or break a lynch without a danger of exposing themselves - I have seen individual scum do it through great lying, reasoning, deflection and soothing but I'd say none of that was of influence here unless it was MO.

This is the reason why he has to be lynched today. If he comes back scum it will look bad on me. He is still one of my suspects and was before all you baffoons started to jump up and down on the easy lynch.

In terms of the no lynch being good for town, was not something i'd promote, i'd prefer a lynch over a no lynch but we weren't going to get one on day one unless it was through bad town play. I could have been erratic like Trake on day one but that would have ended in Trake or I being lynched I reckon, it's a good guess anyway. Togg wasn't there to post or vote, you had one post and not much participation (which I understand) then the other posts being 3 or 4, it's just not good enough.

I think MO is symping you, so I'd much rather vote you. You labeling him as your "suspect" fits with that.

So when I come back town, you lynch him and we are two down yeah? Fuck sake. Your a dumb ass. Okay let's roll with that. I had a vote from Pallid and you, Monok follows that vote. That is three votes on me. What does Trake do? Trake votes for Monok!!! Which then Monok responds with a self vote. What??

It fuicking blows your mind. Trake should have voted for me and that would have put me on 4 votes, after that it's easy for anyone to vote, Grasp ended up voting, so that is 5, we may have got to a lynch. Out of Monok and Trake I would put Trake as a symp in comparison. Monok didn't have enough posts to be a symp and would he have removed if Trake didn't vote him??

[Lock]

sorry I missed end of day, had family activities


I will try to read up over the next few hours

[Ultama]

I can see what people are saying about Monok being a killer but I don't think symp has crossed their minds.

[Hanas]

Ultama, on 23 October 2013 - 02:39 PM, said:

I can see what people are saying about Monok being a killer but I don't think symp has crossed their minds.

It crossed Fanderay's.
Your argument of MO not posting enough to be a symp is invalid. His window of posting opportunity does not dictate his role, nor does his role dictate his window of posting.

[Jalan]

I'm on, but this is going to be a slow catch up for me I'm afraid.

[Ultama]

Hanas, on 23 October 2013 - 02:49 PM, said:

Ultama, on 23 October 2013 - 02:39 PM, said:

I can see what people are saying about Monok being a killer but I don't think symp has crossed their minds.

It crossed Fanderay's.
Your argument of MO not posting enough to be a symp is invalid. His window of posting opportunity does not dictate his role, nor does his role dictate his window of posting.

but my point about him only removing after trake was being a dick is valid.

[Fanderay]

Ultama, on 23 October 2013 - 02:38 PM, said:

Fanderay, on 23 October 2013 - 02:33 PM, said:

Ultama, on 23 October 2013 - 02:28 PM, said:

Hanas, on 23 October 2013 - 02:22 PM, said:

Ultama, on 23 October 2013 - 02:14 PM, said:

Hanas, on 23 October 2013 - 02:05 PM, said:

Ultama, on 23 October 2013 - 08:01 AM, said:

Here, awake and surprised I am alive. Why the fuck we couldn't get a lynch is beyond me, I knew it, I knew Togg would come on with a last minute, "I will post more at a later time" promise. It's not a huge deal we didn't lynch as it pushes D day back which the scum will not like. Now to have a look at everyone and see why people are keeping low, why we didn't get a lynch and anything else that comes to mind.

I can't help but ask how it is not a big deal for town considering we delay a lynch on a consensus suspicious character - whether that's you, or Monok, or Trake, or Togg, or whomever. Because unless we shift play style dramatically, we will just do the day 1 lynch day 2, and we're a full day behind on acting on our suspicions.

It's a big deal if it happens every game, I am talking about this game in particular. There is a reason we didn't get a lynch we just don't know it yet. Are scum holding off? A lot of people didn't participate on day one, we have more activity today so therefore we should be able to manage a lynch.

I'd say only the current game counts, as the past is the past.
As for a reason... pff. Non-participation, mid-train switch, OM halting his lynch (I'm firmly with Fanderay on that topic). Pick your reason. Or have two at the price of one.

As for your mistaken belief that scum is responsible for the no-lynch: first you argue that a no-lynch is good for town, now you say scum did it by holding of or manipulating the thread (I assume that's what you mean by not knowing the reason). Contradicting yourself much?
Anyway, scum is a minority and as a group they cannot make or break a lynch without a danger of exposing themselves - I have seen individual scum do it through great lying, reasoning, deflection and soothing but I'd say none of that was of influence here unless it was MO.

This is the reason why he has to be lynched today. If he comes back scum it will look bad on me. He is still one of my suspects and was before all you baffoons started to jump up and down on the easy lynch.

In terms of the no lynch being good for town, was not something i'd promote, i'd prefer a lynch over a no lynch but we weren't going to get one on day one unless it was through bad town play. I could have been erratic like Trake on day one but that would have ended in Trake or I being lynched I reckon, it's a good guess anyway. Togg wasn't there to post or vote, you had one post and not much participation (which I understand) then the other posts being 3 or 4, it's just not good enough.

I think MO is symping you, so I'd much rather vote you. You labeling him as your "suspect" fits with that.

So when I come back town, you lynch him and we are two down yeah? Fuck sake. Your a dumb ass. Okay let's roll with that. I had a vote from Pallid and you, Monok follows that vote. That is three votes on me. What does Trake do? Trake votes for Monok!!! Which then Monok responds with a self vote. What??

It fuicking blows your mind. Trake should have voted for me and that would have put me on 4 votes, after that it's easy for anyone to vote, Grasp ended up voting, so that is 5, we may have got to a lynch. Out of Monok and Trake I would put Trake as a symp in comparison. Monok didn't have enough posts to be a symp and would he have removed if Trake didn't vote him??

I'll just post it here:

Trake, on 22 October 2013 - 11:49 PM, said:

For just now:

Remove vote

Vote Monok Ochem

For being ludicrously middle of the road.

Will be around for a bit longer, an hour, perhaps two, maybe not right up until night.

just, FYI, at this point you had FOUR votes-Pallid, Me, MO and Ghen

so then Trake bitches about lack of participation and puts a "for now" vote on MO.

MO then does a craptastic emosplosion, self votes and tells us he's fucking off for the night, WHILE EFFECTIVELY SHUTTING DOWN THE ONLY LIKELY TRAIN.

the reason his self-vote is suspicious is fuck is not just because it's a dumbass move, but because it's a dumbass move to justify removing from the only viable train atm. And since it's a self-vote out of the fucking blue, it's designed to have people talk about it, rather than about who he was removing from--which is exactly what you'd have us do.

I dunno if you're scum. you may be getting framed by MO. but MO's play screams symp,, so lynching him I'd expect town CF, which isn't helpful at this stage. coupled with your play on Day 2, it's enough in my mind to warrant voting you.

[Fanderay]

and Trake removed from Togg, not from you. get your fucking facts straight.

[Ultama]

Fanderay, on 23 October 2013 - 03:14 PM, said:

and Trake removed from Togg, not from you. get your fucking facts straight.

I never once said Trake removed his vote from me. I was saying that he should have placed his vote on me you fuck stick.

So what, what if I CF as town. Are you still going to believe that Monok is a symp and leave him alive and go for someone else? Cause no one else was getting any heat. The next thing you fail to over look is that I went to bed. I did leave the thread and was not bothered if I woke up dead/lynched because you would have had the lynch. I also didn't accuse any one in case that was used against people the next day, when I didn't have much information to go off.

[Ultama]

Jalan, on 23 October 2013 - 02:54 PM, said:

I'm on, but this is going to be a slow catch up for me I'm afraid.

As long as you do something, it doesn't matter how slow you do it.

[Ultama]

Lock, on 23 October 2013 - 02:39 PM, said:

sorry I missed end of day, had family activities


I will try to read up over the next few hours

Looking forward to it.

[Hanas]

Ultama, on 23 October 2013 - 02:54 PM, said:

Hanas, on 23 October 2013 - 02:49 PM, said:

Ultama, on 23 October 2013 - 02:39 PM, said:

I can see what people are saying about Monok being a killer but I don't think symp has crossed their minds.

It crossed Fanderay's.
Your argument of MO not posting enough to be a symp is invalid. His window of posting opportunity does not dictate his role, nor does his role dictate his window of posting.

but my point about him only removing after trake was being a dick is valid.

Depends on the PoV. See what Fanderay posts.
You now seem to be eager to brand MO a non-symp, which, if he comes up RI on a lynch or NK, makes him town per default.

In addition to that, the connection you put between you and MO, I am hesitant to vote MO because if he comes up town, based on the earlier stuff you posted ("if he comes up as scum it will look bad on me" and ") i can see you trying to justify you're town, too, if he comes up that way. That would mean that any association case on you (which, as Trake said day 1, is the most common case around) would be prematurely disarmed.

Wifom: if you are a killer, you could set MO up as a kill to prove your innocence.


Anyway,this is a full page of people (cough *mirrormirror*cough) laying into you and you flailing back and before we now it, this day is going to be ending with 6 votes on Ultama with half of them reasoning 'he has to go for clouding the thread' which is an info disaster of mighty proportions after day 1.

[Fanderay]

Ultama, on 23 October 2013 - 03:21 PM, said:

Fanderay, on 23 October 2013 - 03:14 PM, said:

and Trake removed from Togg, not from you. get your fucking facts straight.

I never once said Trake removed his vote from me. I was saying that he should have placed his vote on me you fuck stick.

So what, what if I CF as town. Are you still going to believe that Monok is a symp and leave him alive and go for someone else? Cause no one else was getting any heat. The next thing you fail to over look is that I went to bed. I did leave the thread and was not bothered if I woke up dead/lynched because you would have had the lynch. I also didn't accuse any one in case that was used against people the next day, when I didn't have much information to go off.

and his "i'm putting my vote for now" comment precluded him from changing to you... how?

There's a world of difference between saying "i'm voting MO, but i'm around for a few hours to change", and MO self-voting and leaving for the night. MO's action is far more egregious here. And i'm looking for reasons. Scum won't benefit from derailing a lynch-it pushed D-day away. Town don't benefit from blocking lynches--by calling MO town, you're basically calling him a retard acting against town's interests because he threw a hissy fit for no fucking reason.

so, then: MO did his moronic self-vote to derail a lynch. whose lynch the only one with a semblance of likelyhood of success? Yours. Hence my vote.

[Ultama]

Fanderay it is as good as anything out there at the moment. You make me want to vote with you, it's a shame it is on me.

Monok has some explaining to do.

[Monok Ochem]

My explainations will be drunken and will be later tonight

Gist of it is that Ultama wasnt going to end up lynched anyway once Trake started his line against me so I thought I was preemtively voting myself as new best case before he got there when he beat me by seconds check the timestamps

I saw no need to worry if we didnt lynch it means someone else around for the killer to kill after all and maybe make a slip

[Ultama]

Gist of it? Really. I would have had 6 votes without anyone hammering if you stayed where you were.

[Jalan]

Must suppress the urge to do a giant dkt style catch up to all of Ultama's craziness must resist must resit

[Jalan]

Ok serious time. Ultama, your behaviour today is extremely... I don't know. Misguided?

Big cases about post counts and changes in behaviour on DDay, covering the whole of the game up to there? Sure, that's legit.

Doing the same thing on Day 2? Talking about differences in posting frequency between the first half of day 1 and the second half of day 1? That's just stupid. That's a 36 hour period. You can't make reliable patterns out of that.

That's the first problem.

Second problem: you seem to want to make a case on everybody. Why? What purpose does that serve? How does that help town? I repeat: IT IS DAY 2. Trying to go through everybody on day 2 is not only useless because there's too many people and too little information but it clouds the thread with post after post of you grasping at the faintest straws to analyze about people and the vast majority of that grasping is not helpful at all (and fuck these alt names, I'm not signalling Grasp here and I'm not going back to rewrite that sentence just to remove the graspings dammit!)

You want to make a case on Day 2? Go ahead. It's a good thing. But Day 2 is a time to get focused, not to throw shittons of little tidbits into a blender and hope it comes out looking like anything but goopy shit.

The problem is that this is bad play whether you're town or scum pretending to be town. Looks bad on you either way but doesn't convince me you are scum by itself. So now I need to keep reading up and think about why you're doing this as if it isn't just misguided crap townie play which it probably is and see if there's a reason I can see scum doing something stupid like this.

At least this game aint dull!