[Ultama]

Ghennan, on 23 October 2013 - 10:47 AM, said:

Yeah, I realised halfway through writing that that I was spelling it wrong, I guess I missed correcting one.

Ironically, your cases have made me less convinced about Cast, and more about the others...

Why is it that you find the interaction between Cast and Jalan suspicious, but not Jalan himself?

Something rubs me up the wrong way about the whole thing and I cannot lay a precise finger on it. It could be Fanderay rather than Jalan. So let me go and look at Fanderay.

[Ultama]

Ghennan, on 23 October 2013 - 10:49 AM, said:

I think the posts you are making are interesting, and it's nice to have a bit more information on thread. I just feel like you seem to make some leaps of logic that I don't follow, and some things seem a bit inconsistent, but at this stage of the game a lot is still based on feelings and suspicions without much that is concrete.

Care to share which leaps? I guess I read their posts, then go back and multiquote them, and then I comment on my findings, maybe how I feel about the individual and the thoughts I have behind them change from my read up to my posing, so that I have the feeling about them and then I try to analyse their posts individually rather than a whole. That may be why my leaps are so big.

[Ultama]

Just noticed this. Fanderay only posts early day one. Then nada. Nothing. Squat.

Fanderay, on 21 October 2013 - 03:38 PM, said:

Trake, on 21 October 2013 - 03:34 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 21 October 2013 - 12:01 PM, said:

It is the worst possible time, mere days before an important meeting of imperial and Church representative is due to be held there. If there has been a murder committed, then the guilty person or persons must be captured before shame is brought to the monastery.

I'm guessing this is what the Bernard Gui thing refers to?

Of course, it might help if the mods of a supposedly simple game would actually tell people the game conditions instead of cryptically referring to them in the explanation and letting people figure it out for themselves

I'd hoped that fad had passed.

I strongly doubt it ever will

Fanderay, on 21 October 2013 - 04:36 PM, said:

Having not read the book, I can only imagine that the Global User Interface person's arrival will mean nothing good for our quiet scholarly community. We already have an ex-inquisitor, will Bernard be a real one?

Fanderay, on 21 October 2013 - 05:15 PM, said:

Jalan, on 21 October 2013 - 05:11 PM, said:

of course, the wikipedia summary and the next three summaries I've googled spend their time talking all about the themes and meanings and other fancy spunk but don't tell you who the killer is!

wouldn't be much of the mystery if they did, now would it?

Fanderay, on 21 October 2013 - 06:27 PM, said:

Jalan, on 21 October 2013 - 05:18 PM, said:

Fanderay, on 21 October 2013 - 05:15 PM, said:

Jalan, on 21 October 2013 - 05:11 PM, said:

of course, the wikipedia summary and the next three summaries I've googled spend their time talking all about the themes and meanings and other fancy spunk but don't tell you who the killer is!

wouldn't be much of the mystery if they did, now would it?

Honestly, it'd be WIFOM-tastic!

Knowing Khell, he'd change make someone other than the villain scum just to mess with us.

Fanderay, on 21 October 2013 - 06:55 PM, said:

Rashan is a warren alt. Warren alts are reserved for slow game.

Fanderay, on 21 October 2013 - 07:04 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 21 October 2013 - 06:59 PM, said:

Fanderay, on 21 October 2013 - 06:27 PM, said:

Knowing Khell, he'd change make someone other than the villain scum just to mess with us.

The great thing about using The Name of the Rose as the basis, from a mafia perspective, is that pretty much every character does something terrible, often along murderous lines

Stop it, you're making me want to add it to my already enormous TRP!

Nothing jumps out except for the fact that they interact to all the silly stuff. 8 posts all early on and then nothing since. Would scum be that careless?

[Ultama]

That's me for now, got to do some work. I have thoughts as to where I am going to place my vote, but would like to hear more from everyone first.

[Ghennan]

Like... Cast has a single interaction with Jalan, but this might be something they have organised off thread, and the fact that they tend to post around the same time is suspicious, but apparently you haven't connected the idea that the might be interacting because they are on at the same time, rather than it being something they have organised. Monok's first post, while having no content in it, nor anything specific to this game in particular, suggests that he is willing to participate, despite the fact that he has very little of content in subsequent posts. Also, you say he is discussing mechanics when all he really says is "I have no opinions, what do you think?" Plus, asking questions about mechanics is a decent way to look like you're making comments and contributions without actually having to come up with anything. Also, your interpretation of Monok's reason for voting himself kind of assumes a lot, and goes against your earlier suggestion that he voted you to get a lynch, because his changing his vote made it less likely that we would get a lynch. I don't really understand how you decided that Grasp's vote can be counted on, nor how you decided that his non-committal-ness made him seem more like town.

I'm also not really sure what conclusion you came to on Jalan. You talk about his post padding, how he makes comments that aren't relevant to the game, tries to look like he is contributing but won't engage with you, has no vote and no opinion, but you still find Cast more scummy?

I might be biased, because Monok's posting style really irritates me, but I feel like him and Jalan are at the top of my list at the moment.

[Ghennan]

I'm heading off to bed. Will check in tomorrow morning to see where we are at.

[Ultama]

This is my favourite post of the game so far.

Ghennan, on 23 October 2013 - 11:17 AM, said:

Like... Cast has a single interaction with Jalan, but this might be something they have organised off thread, and the fact that they tend to post around the same time is suspicious, but apparently you haven't connected the idea that the might be interacting because they are on at the same time, rather than it being something they have organised.

Monok's first post, while having no content in it, nor anything specific to this game in particular, suggests that he is willing to participate, despite the fact that he has very little of content in subsequent posts. Also, you say he is discussing mechanics when all he really says is "I have no opinions, what do you think?" Plus, asking questions about mechanics is a decent way to look like you're making comments and contributions without actually having to come up with anything. Also, your interpretation of Monok's reason for voting himself kind of assumes a lot, and goes against your earlier suggestion that he voted you to get a lynch, because his changing his vote made it less likely that we would get a lynch. I don't really understand how you decided that Grasp's vote can be counted on, nor how you decided that his non-committal-ness made him seem more like town.

I'm also not really sure what conclusion you came to on Jalan. You talk about his post padding, how he makes comments that aren't relevant to the game, tries to look like he is contributing but won't engage with you, has no vote and no opinion, but you still find Cast more scummy?

I might be biased, because Monok's posting style really irritates me, but I feel like him and Jalan are at the top of my list at the moment.

This says a lot to me. You read the game well and have a lot of good ideas and thoughts.

To address your points and fears I will comment as I go. The first is Cast and Jalan. I have a pad on my desk that has the list of posts, it grouped the people together and had some notes surrounding various individuals. Cast and Monok are lumped together and so is Grasp and Jalan. Fanderay was not in the list, or not within those two groups. I was looking for paired killers as opposed to just one killer. When I saw that Cast (from one group on the list) and Jalan (from another group on the list) interacted earlier on in the game I became more suspicious. Out of the 4 I mentioned those two are the only two to have interacted.

I think Monok does have content in his other posts compared to say Jalan. Or he at least has full paragraphs with suspicion in them. Yet I see your point raised on Monok and I am not going to rule him out but there was not much to go on and he did vote for me originally until Trake became a dick and voted his way, why didn't Trake vote for me and go for the lynch? I don't understand it, I think that is what pissed Monok off. I underlined the part where he did remove his vote from me, that in itself is suspicious but I was putting it down to how Trake behaved towards day end. If the two killer had a symp then I could definitely see Trake being that symp.

I find Cast and Jalan a potential partnership, ie both scummy. You can see jalan's posts for yourself, they are definitely post padding. He also didn't vote or commit to any real opinion.

[Hanas]

Finally back on the job, so I will have time. There's a lot of content to sift through, Ultama seems to be in overdrive and that sparks interest. I will catch up over the afternoon.

[Hanas]

First impression: Monok Ochem is turning the fairly valid middle-of-the-road accusation into a WIFOM-case by self-voting, at a time where he 'established' that someone else is the only option anyway. I'd say it's a gamble based on the fact that in the collective memory this ridiculous meltdown will survive, not the previous accusation - a meltdown that is then explainable.


Now to forge on. I'll be posting with pauses - still have work to do.

[Trake]

Ultama, on 23 October 2013 - 10:59 AM, said:

Nothing jumps out except for the fact that they interact to all the silly stuff. 8 posts all early on and then nothing since. Would scum be that careless?

His play seems pretty similar to your accusation against Jalan.

[Trake]

Oh, and

Vote Monok Ochem

For being terribly middle of the road, and then trying to counteract this with a melodramatic self vote that makes no sense.

[Trake]

Ghennan, on 23 October 2013 - 11:17 AM, said:

the fact that they tend to post around the same time is suspicious, but apparently you haven't connected the idea that the might be interacting because they are on at the same time, rather than it being something they have organised.

Yeah, I'd tend to say this is more likely due to timezones than anything else.

[Grasp]

Hopefully Ult and Ghe's convo throws a little water on the Trake machine's song and dance.

Very interesting thoughts, both of you. I am curious to see what MO does and will leave my speculation on him until I see a bit more.

However, you once again brought Cast to my attention (the first instance this attention not noted on thread). I do not feel like I've seen a D-day talk in quite awhile, probably because we've had only faction games going, but having such a speculation on day 1 seems premature, since we have no idea what the scum town balance is. Moreover, a review of his posts shows that's the 1 single post with anything at all, no subsequent committing vote, etc Seems to me somebody is hiding behind a cookie cutter post...

Finally, I find it very very very very suspicious that Togg did exactly what you said he would Ultima. What kind of con are you running. I never trust big contributors, especially the really helpful ones... You want a pair? I would be curious which one of the two of you (Ghe and Ult) are scum.... Well, we'll see how day 2 plays out.

[Grasp]

Morning/afternoon/evening Trakey. I thought you might be a bit more subdued, but don't hold back man, it's a candy store of deep thought up there.

[Trake]

Grasp, on 23 October 2013 - 01:11 PM, said:

Hopefully Ult and Ghe's convo throws a little water on the Trake machine's song and dance.

Yeah, normally I'd be curious about any changes in posting volume, but in this case literally anyone posting content would come under that, so I'll just settle for day 2 being the new day 1, and try to accept no lynch as the new norm to start the game

I like how you think this doesn't actually annoy me though.

[Grasp]

I do really like the idea of you being a symp. You prodded a lot of people yesterday, but not everyone. And you didn't lay into everyone. I would consider checking out those exclusions.

[Ultama]

Hanas, on 23 October 2013 - 12:22 PM, said:

First impression: Monok Ochem is turning the fairly valid middle-of-the-road accusation into a WIFOM-case by self-voting, at a time where he 'established' that someone else is the only option anyway. I'd say it's a gamble based on the fact that in the collective memory this ridiculous meltdown will survive, not the previous accusation - a meltdown that is then explainable.

Now to forge on. I'll be posting with pauses - still have work to do.

I am keen to hear more from this direction. Not just on Monok though.

[Trake]

Grasp, on 23 October 2013 - 01:12 PM, said:

Morning/afternoon/evening Trakey. I thought you might be a bit more subdued, but don't hold back man, it's a candy store of deep thought up there.

Maybe my rage has just burnt out. Kind of hard to care about a game no one's playing

Anyhow, more people are posting, which is what I wanted in the first place. There are some who are still coasting tremendously, but there are enough of them that town must be giving cover, so what to do about that?

I am going to be a little more time constrained today, since I have some work to do. Don't think it'll make much odds though.

As regards Ultama's posts, a lot of it just seems to be summary, but then if someone has posted literally no content there's not a great deal to comment on. I do think his reasons for picking one over the other are a bit odd. I think his best point is regards Jalan's lack of interaction, when Jalan seemed to be around. Disagree with him on MO, the fact MO makes moves to look like participating just makes him seem scummier to me, given that he then went on not to participate...

For just now, I'm going to go eat.

[Ultama]

Grasp, on 23 October 2013 - 01:11 PM, said:

snip

Finally, I find it very very very very suspicious that Togg did exactly what you said he would Ultima. What kind of con are you running. I never trust big contributors, especially the really helpful ones... You want a pair? I would be curious which one of the two of you (Ghe and Ult) are scum.... Well, we'll see how day 2 plays out.

Everyone has their pet hate. This is one of mine. It happens often, more so than you might think. They do not normally tend to turn out scum but when the likelihood of us lynching wrongly day one then they are as good as anyone for the lynch. Day two regardless whether we lynched or not, we have a failed day of lynch, we have non voters and we have a dead guy with CF. All in all, we start day two with more information than day one. I think the post count as well as content, interaction and suspicion will help us make a lynch today.

edit that to than

This post has been edited by Ultama: 23 October 2013 - 01:29 PM

[Fanderay]

Monok Ochem, on 22 October 2013 - 11:50 PM, said:

Oh wow you totally convinced me

Yeah Im not having a brilliant week

Remove vote

Vote Monok Ochem

And I am out for the night now

ok, wtf was this?