[Trake]

Anyhow, good night other 2 anons...

[Ultama]

Here, awake and surprised I am alive. Why the fuck we couldn't get a lynch is beyond me, I knew it, I knew Togg would come on with a last minute, "I will post more at a later time" promise. It's not a huge deal we didn't lynch as it pushes D day back which the scum will not like. Now to have a look at everyone and see why people are keeping low, why we didn't get a lynch and anything else that comes to mind.

[Ultama]

First thing I have done is look at the sign up sheet. Brujah is dead and buried. Gone. Escaped a lynch again. With exception of one or two players we have people capable of a lot more posts. I am not applying any names to any alts, I am just trying to figure out why we have a low number of posts and therefore cases.

[Ultama]

So post count. We are in to day two, day one reflects how people have decided to play the game and it is no coincidence we have the numbers we do. I am thinking one of Grasp and Jalan are scum and one of Cast and Monok. Why you say? Well usually scum would want to fit in and not make any waves. Yes they could use that to their advantage and be the big poster like Trake but that would run more of a risk of being lynched and made a case against.

Hanas and Togg have one post each. That actually matches up with the sign up thread, a few people may be in that position and we cannot lynch them based on one post, we just have to give them a chance to improve this situation over the next few days. (I know I wanted to lynch Togg but day one cases are rarely right and he was the best option for me when I was around)

I am pairing alts together here because scum do not want to be stand alone, or should not want to be stand alone, like Fanderay for example, Fanderay and Trake are the only posters who have daylight between their posts. Unless this was a scum tactic that they have discussed I am doubtful that either are scum at this stage.

Ghennan and Lock both have 3 posts. Yet out of these two I am sure Ghennan has provided more content.

Cast and Monok come next, 4 and 5 posts. Both similar in style, ie they both have content to ride along with their low post count. This is what makes them seem like they are trying to make an effort without making any waves. What leads me to believe one of these are scum is because there are 4 posters that have a lower number of posts with less content than them, so out of the 6 lowish posters they are the most "town" like, or ones that stand out from the rest in a good way. If scum are trying to hide between this set of people/alts then these two are doing the best job out of it.

So you have the bottom 6; Hanas, Togg, Ghennan, Lock, Cast and Monok

You have Fanderay smack bang in the middle with 8 posts.

Then you have the higher posters.

Grasp, Jalan and Ultama, 11, 12, 13 posts respectively. One of these three strikes me as scum, obviously I am going to ignore myself but you shouldn't. Trake is miles away with 35 posts. Over the game this, (posting from people) will change, especially since now I have mentioned it. However, we do have one full cycle to look at, and these numbers are how it has fell. Grasp and Jalan have also not received much attention but have been around to comment on certain posts and exchange words with other alts.

So for me I am going to be looking into the four I mentioned. Yet, you may see something in the posts that I do not, or interpret them a different way. A lot more experienced people than me are in this game and may bring up a better target for a better reason. Out of the 4 people I have mentioned, if you are not scum then look at the person I have paired you against, do you think they could be scum and using you to camouflage into the thread?

[Ultama]

Whilst looking at a couple of players, a thought did strike me that the killer may have off thread communication which would affect their online presence in thread. So those with low but content ridden posts ring higher on my scum dar, they are taking the time to construct posts on thread but not many of them.

[Ultama]

Cast has on thread interaction with Jalan, with only 4/5 posts this stands out to me a little because that is something you establish off thread. There have been times when I have been scum and that my pardner has asked for a little interaction so that it looks a little like we don't know each other. So Cast makes a post that both Fanderay and Jalan respond to.

Cast, on 21 October 2013 - 06:47 PM, said:

Fanderay, on 21 October 2013 - 06:27 PM, said:

Jalan, on 21 October 2013 - 05:18 PM, said:

Fanderay, on 21 October 2013 - 05:15 PM, said:

Jalan, on 21 October 2013 - 05:11 PM, said:

of course, the wikipedia summary and the next three summaries I've googled spend their time talking all about the themes and meanings and other fancy spunk but don't tell you who the killer is!

wouldn't be much of the mystery if they did, now would it?

Honestly, it'd be WIFOM-tastic!

Knowing Khell, he'd change make someone other than the villain scum just to mess with us.

That sounds more like something Blend would do. But who knows, this is Khell's first game as a mod, so no one really knows what he'd do. (I hope we don't see the rebirth of Rashy and Tiamy)

So they have established conversation on thread. I noticed that they tend to post around the same time too.

Cast, on 21 October 2013 - 06:56 PM, said:

Fanderay, on 21 October 2013 - 06:55 PM, said:

Rashan is a warren alt. Warren alts are reserved for slow game.

Well that's good then.

Cast, on 22 October 2013 - 04:30 PM, said:

Ack, sorry, been a busy morning, haven't had time to do the Mafias much. We still have time?

Wants to know if we have time, so they must want a lynch right? Do they vote? Why don't they vote? Are they around towards the end of day?

Cast, on 22 October 2013 - 04:43 PM, said:

Okay, I see there's still plenty of time left. So here's my $0.02 on what I've seen so far:



1) Game setup: There are, what, 12 players, right? In that type of game, if we had 2 killers and a symp, WCS the game would effectively end by Day 4.

Day 1: 9 town, 3 scum = 1 lynch + 1 kill
Day 2: 7 town, 3 scum = 1 lynch + 1 kill
Day 3: 5 town, 3 scum = 1 lynch + 1 kill
Day 4: 3 town, 3 scum = parity

Given the game says we need to try to find the scum before the GUI guy shows up, that seems to work with the above scenario.


That being said, 3 scum in a 12 person game seems a little more balanced towards scum, so I'd also believe that the game could be 2 paired killers and 10 town, with maybe one or 2 of the town being roled or in a lover conversation (i.e. the Inquisitor/Inspector guy and his apprentice). If this is the case, it leads me into my second point...



2) The whole signalling thing is ridiculous for 2 reasons, the first of which being we don't know the exact setup of the game. If it's 2 scum and 10 town, there's no symp, so there's no reason for anyone to be signalling, unless the scum aren't paired, which I think is unlikely given that 2 vs 10 is a tough game for scum to win. If it's 3 scum vs 9 town, then yes, there is a symp, and maybe he's signalling, but signalling cases are still dumb as fuck. It's just rampant paranoia - finding signals and signs in text that's more likely to mean absolutely nothing.



3) Trake is seeming to go off the deep end the moment someone has applied even just a little pressure. I think if we're voting for most likely scum, he's probably our best bet. I also know that a Day 1 vote is so unlikely to actually hit scum that it's a shot in the dark anyway. I'd rather vote for someone who MAY be scum from the way they are reacting to pressure than voting for a case on what someone randomly perceives as signalling.

At first glance I liked the above post. It showed that they were working out D day BUT I do not liked the town role speculation. A good way for scum to act like town is by helping us figure out D day but it looks like they were fishing for town role information which I do not like.

They also say that Trake is the best bet for scum but do not vote that way. I can see scum wanting to lynch the vocal players and then coast to the end of the game hiding in the weeds. (lower posters).

[Ultama]

Final thing on Cast for now is that, although they ask if we have time and although they say they have a target in mind (Trake), they still do not vote.

[Ghennan]

Mmm, interesting.

I'm still suspicious of the pity parties, that kind of resignation just feels so false to me, which puts Ultama and Monoch on the list.

Grasp and Trake's interaction is also causing me headaches, it feels off, but I can't put my finger on it. It might be something in the way Grasp pokes at Trake, and Trake snaps back, but then Trake has been fairly grumpy so maybe there isn't much in that. Grasp did also say that the only thing that had happened during day one was Trake getting grumpy, which seems to ignore all of the signalling conversations, the comments about Monoch and the failed lynches.

The thing that is standing out the most is Trake's comment about Monoch. Monoch has indeed been so non-committal it almost seems as if he is actively trying to avoid giving any information. And then his self-vote in response is really... wonky. All of it just suggests that Monoch has nothing to contribute but wants to look like he is participating. It's kind of silly, because there are plenty of people (myself included) who don't have a lot to say on day one, and if he hadn't said anything at all it would have been less obvious than what he did. It seems like he is concerned about being labelled a low poster, which is really only a concern for scum. As far as I can tell, mostly town don't seem to care if they are labelled as low posters.

[Ultama]

Reading up on Monok I have them pegged as more likely town than Cast. I might find how I find this hard to put into words but I will give it a go.

Monok Ochem, on 21 October 2013 - 04:04 PM, said:

Fanderay, on 21 October 2013 - 03:38 PM, said:

Trake, on 21 October 2013 - 03:34 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 21 October 2013 - 12:01 PM, said:

It is the worst possible time, mere days before an important meeting of imperial and Church representative is due to be held there. If there has been a murder committed, then the guilty person or persons must be captured before shame is brought to the monastery.

I'm guessing this is what the Bernard Gui thing refers to?

Of course, it might help if the mods of a supposedly simple game would actually tell people the game conditions instead of cryptically referring to them in the explanation and letting people figure it out for themselves

I'd hoped that fad had passed.

I strongly doubt it ever will

Do you not find that figuring it out yourself gets your brain fired up and in theme for the game? I do.

His first post strikes me as someone who is putting on his gloves for cold weather. For me, it represents his willingness to be part of the game. I think he is more active than we would know, that he is catching up often. What made me think this is his next couple of posts.

Monok Ochem, on 22 October 2013 - 04:32 PM, said:

So what do people think we have killer & symp is a good bet someone who has read the books can answer if William and Adso are potential killer and symp? Bernard arriving I'm at a loss to speculate as to what this may involve anyone had thoughts worth putting on thread? Mentioned as protagonist in the books but can't see them being a killer 3 days with no kills is excessive but 3 days to wrap up the game is to

Trake/Ultama are having fun tempted to put a vote on one of them because no one better in site so far

Day 1 signalling does happen but people try to be you know subtle about it what that really wasnt

Off for a bit now but will be back before night

This post also points to mechanics. It not only points to how scum are set up but it also speculates on the Bernard Gui guy. Now that he is dead and we know he was town, (he could have been a symp that turns into a killer day three or a town player that receives his finds/heals on day 3) but back when Monok posted this we weren't to know.

He mentions both Trake and I as potential scum and that is where he lays his vote. This is why i like him more than cast, he actually does vote and it was on a potential target that could have gotten lynched.

Monok Ochem, on 22 October 2013 - 10:53 PM, said:

So what merit do Ultama and Trake see in lynching someone who will be modkilled shortly if theyre not modkilled they have some explaining to do tomorrow

I dont see a killer leaving their first post this late that strikes of raising too many questions

Low posting or hiding in a high posting style yes not no posting

Ultama looks like our only other choice at the moment

Vote Ultama

So he is voting here to get a lynch, which is the primary goal of town. So this goes in his favor. I underlined the part which is one of the reasons I looked into Monok in the first place.

Monok Ochem, on 22 October 2013 - 11:32 PM, said:

Trake, on 22 October 2013 - 11:26 PM, said:

However, there are several other things I don't like. The first is Fanderay - who claimed to be catching up hours ago (on a very short thread), and has promptly fucked off without comment, leaving a nice drive by vote in the process (a vote that Ultama points out is forming a train, and MO cites as leaving him the only real option, another thing I dislike but I'll get to that in my next post, since MO's play is something I dislike in general).

You have something better put it out there


4 hours left and 2 votes on 2 alts one of which is a likely modkill

Glad to see youre not sitting back though

He reprimands Trake for looking elsewhere, he is basically saying I am the best choice at this stage. I was and I agree with Monok.

Monok Ochem, on 22 October 2013 - 11:50 PM, said:

Oh wow you totally convinced me

Yeah Im not having a brilliant week

Remove vote

Vote Monok Ochem

And I am out for the night now

Then the self vote, it is more like a fuck you all for not actually reading up, and fuck you all for not getting a lynch or going for a lynch. I like Monok as town.

[Ultama]

Ghennan, on 23 October 2013 - 09:51 AM, said:

Mmm, interesting.

I'm still suspicious of the pity parties, that kind of resignation just feels so false to me, which puts Ultama and Monoch on the list.

Grasp and Trake's interaction is also causing me headaches, it feels off, but I can't put my finger on it. It might be something in the way Grasp pokes at Trake, and Trake snaps back, but then Trake has been fairly grumpy so maybe there isn't much in that. Grasp did also say that the only thing that had happened during day one was Trake getting grumpy, which seems to ignore all of the signalling conversations, the comments about Monoch and the failed lynches.

The thing that is standing out the most is Trake's comment about Monoch. Monoch has indeed been so non-committal it almost seems as if he is actively trying to avoid giving any information. And then his self-vote in response is really... wonky. All of it just suggests that Monoch has nothing to contribute but wants to look like he is participating. It's kind of silly, because there are plenty of people (myself included) who don't have a lot to say on day one, and if he hadn't said anything at all it would have been less obvious than what he did. It seems like he is concerned about being labelled a low poster, which is really only a concern for scum. As far as I can tell, mostly town don't seem to care if they are labelled as low posters.

I think I disagree with you on Monok, read my case on him. Unless I am wrong and you are right and I am not seeing it. Although, you did just pair me with Monok so maybe Monok and I are scum partners? What do you think about my post analysis and my Cast analysis? Anything in there? I am going to look at my other two suspects now.

[Ultama]

Grasp next. He comes across as disinterested about serious stuff. Comes across as a playful character that isn't wholly serious. Day one was just a bit of fun for him. There are people dying man and you are all cheery, what's that about? Get your head in the game and help us.

I skipped his early posts that consisted of a worm poem, ideas on other games and general chit chat. I come to the important end of the day.

Grasp, on 23 October 2013 - 02:18 AM, said:

Assuming that means no lynch eh?

There was still time, but I think he means because we still need 4 votes to lynch.

Grasp, on 23 October 2013 - 02:29 AM, said:

What are you doing sitting round this joint. Go out and live a little.

Jokes with PS.

Grasp, on 23 October 2013 - 02:30 AM, said:

I actually wonder about Trake and MO.

Vote MO

This is the strange post. As it stands, I have 3 votes, Monok has 2, (one of which is a selfie), so if he votes for me then we only need 3 votes for the lynch. By voting Monok, he evens up the trains and leaves us needing 4 votes. Bear in mind there was only 10 minutes left in the day. So a lynch did not look likely. So his vote here only shows that he DID vote and he didn't like Monok.

Grasp, on 23 October 2013 - 02:44 AM, said:

So does that mean GUI isn't coming in 2 days? Or is this another game with......


ZOMBIES!!!!!

Back to casualness

Grasp, on 23 October 2013 - 02:50 AM, said:

Trake, on 23 October 2013 - 02:47 AM, said:

Grasp, on 23 October 2013 - 02:30 AM, said:

I actually wonder about Trake and MO.

Vote MO

Wonder what? Please expand on whatever thoughts you are having about the game.

The whole basis of the game means town should not be trying to play information low.

What information? You spend all of day 1 working yourself up into a slathering rage. That's about the whole of it. I just thought it interesting with all your talk of signalling and the like that you never actually stuck with your primary target, but rather jumped around from place to place and in the end derailed your own lynch by switching safely to MO who plied the traditional suicide gesture, also very safely given that 5 more votes were unlikely to pop up and bite him in the bum, catch my drift?

After a prod by Trake, he responds that the Monok lynch was never going to get off the ground and he didn't like that after the fact that Trake didn't stick with any of his votes. I don't mind this, I think Trake's tactic was to throw a few feelers out there and see what shit stuck. Grasp is accusing Trake and Monok of being partnered scum. Which brings me to mention something at the end of the post.

Grasp, on 23 October 2013 - 03:04 AM, said:

Naw man, you're very intentionally a rage machine. Just irritating that's all.

I didn't resist giving an explanation did I? It's not like you're above getting prodded yourself, hmmm

And yes I see you're around. Quite a bit. A bit much. A bit much.

Back to casualness.

I think Grasp does not want to come across as confrontational. I think we can count on their vote though when it gets down to it.

What his posts have pointed me towards is Monok again. Both Ghennan and Grasp dislike Monok. Trake voted that way also. That is three different people pointing at the same alt. Strange don't you think, is Monok just fooling me, or am I right for once?

So far my investigations point me towards voting for Cast. I have one more of the four to go through before casting a vote.

[Ultama]

Page one is the Jalan show. Look how eager he is to contribute. Biggest play style change of day one is his reclusion (not a word but I like it)(actually it says the condition of being a recluse). Page one he has the majority of his posts with a brief interaction with Fanderay and Cast.

Jalan, on 21 October 2013 - 02:45 PM, said:

First!

Jalan, on 21 October 2013 - 02:47 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 21 October 2013 - 02:35 PM, said:

THREE DAYS UNTIL BERNARD GUI ARRIVES.

In three days we start playing image-based mafia instead of text-only?


[/terrible joke no one will get]

Jalan, on 21 October 2013 - 04:57 PM, said:

Fanderay, on 21 October 2013 - 03:37 PM, said:

it's like a game... within a game.

Inception DDDDUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN



DDDDDUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!

Jalan, on 21 October 2013 - 04:57 PM, said:

Fanderay, on 21 October 2013 - 04:36 PM, said:

Having not read the book, I can only imagine that the Global User Interface person's arrival will mean nothing good for our quiet scholarly community. We already have an ex-inquisitor, will Bernard be a real one?

Wait, this is a book?

Jalan, on 21 October 2013 - 05:00 PM, said:

http://en.wikipedia....ame_of_the_Rose


Aww! I thought Khell was just flexing his history degree and/or stealing ideas from DiBs!

Jalan, on 21 October 2013 - 05:11 PM, said:

of course, the wikipedia summary and the next three summaries I've googled spend their time talking all about the themes and meanings and other fancy spunk but don't tell you who the killer is!

Jalan, on 21 October 2013 - 05:18 PM, said:

Fanderay, on 21 October 2013 - 05:15 PM, said:

Jalan, on 21 October 2013 - 05:11 PM, said:

of course, the wikipedia summary and the next three summaries I've googled spend their time talking all about the themes and meanings and other fancy spunk but don't tell you who the killer is!

wouldn't be much of the mystery if they did, now would it?

Honestly, it'd be WIFOM-tastic!

[Ultama]

To me I label Jalan as a pretend high poster. Most of his posts are filler, not much content riding his coat tails here. One of his posts to Cast "scum loves lists" is not going to start a list but it does show that Jalan has called Cast scum in one of his posts. In terms of speaking to others, lets have a look shall we.

Jalan, on 22 October 2013 - 03:23 PM, said:

Trake, on 22 October 2013 - 02:13 PM, said:

Actually, that just makes the vote seem more signal like. Why would you make such a useless vote, that looks suspicious, otherwise?

If it's a signal how is it supposed to work? Togg is one of the killers, Ultama is symp, so Ultama votes Togg to signal the other killer and hopes desperately we don't all agree to vote out his low-poster killer master Togg?

Wants to find out more from Trake on the potential signal. Below I address him but he doesn't really want to engage me in conversation.

Jalan, on 22 October 2013 - 03:48 PM, said:

Ultama, on 22 October 2013 - 03:27 PM, said:

Jalan, I was enjoying watch Trake become more and more erratic. He votes someone, he votes someone else, then wants to vote that someone. Is it a case of anyone but him I wonder? This isn't the long game where a joke vote may be forgotten by the end of the day. No, this is the short game where posting is needed and votes required. I was never going to follow Trake's initial vote, so I made my own based on something very little.

My post was aimed at Trake, not you. Your bit is already done, whatever it was. But I want clarification of Trake's rational beause I don't understand what he is seeing.

edit: xpost with Trake himself!

Jalan, on 22 October 2013 - 04:14 PM, said:

Ultama, on 22 October 2013 - 04:12 PM, said:

Find me the last successful signalling case. I'll be impressed.

Other than that, I don't like what you're smoking. You seem to be irrational, and a little crazy.

People do it all the time whether it's successful or not!

Jalan, on 22 October 2013 - 04:57 PM, said:

Cast, on 22 October 2013 - 04:43 PM, said:

Okay, I see there's still plenty of time left. So here's my $0.02 on what I've seen so far:



1) Game setup: There are, what, 12 players, right? In that type of game, if we had 2 killers and a symp, WCS the game would effectively end by Day 4.

Day 1: 9 town, 3 scum = 1 lynch + 1 kill
Day 2: 7 town, 3 scum = 1 lynch + 1 kill
Day 3: 5 town, 3 scum = 1 lynch + 1 kill
Day 4: 3 town, 3 scum = parity

Given the game says we need to try to find the scum before the GUI guy shows up, that seems to work with the above scenario.


That being said, 3 scum in a 12 person game seems a little more balanced towards scum, so I'd also believe that the game could be 2 paired killers and 10 town, with maybe one or 2 of the town being roled or in a lover conversation (i.e. the Inquisitor/Inspector guy and his apprentice). If this is the case, it leads me into my second point...



2) The whole signalling thing is ridiculous for 2 reasons, the first of which being we don't know the exact setup of the game. If it's 2 scum and 10 town, there's no symp, so there's no reason for anyone to be signalling, unless the scum aren't paired, which I think is unlikely given that 2 vs 10 is a tough game for scum to win. If it's 3 scum vs 9 town, then yes, there is a symp, and maybe he's signalling, but signalling cases are still dumb as fuck. It's just rampant paranoia - finding signals and signs in text that's more likely to mean absolutely nothing.



3) Trake is seeming to go off the deep end the moment someone has applied even just a little pressure. I think if we're voting for most likely scum, he's probably our best bet. I also know that a Day 1 vote is so unlikely to actually hit scum that it's a shot in the dark anyway. I'd rather vote for someone who MAY be scum from the way they are reacting to pressure than voting for a case on what someone randomly perceives as signalling.

scum love lists

I cannot put a finger on it. What is Jalan. "people do that all the time" "scum love lists", he makes statements but does not apply it to the game, or expand upon what he has said. This is his last post. No frigging vote and no opinion. Or I cannot see one.

[Ultama]

This is probably why looking at post count can be a bit detrimental to the game, or by using it you have to look into things deeper. Jalan has padded his posts, beefed them up to look like he fits in with both Grasp and myself. Would scum do that? Have no content to back up their posts?

[Ghennan]

Your case on Cast seems to hinge around the interaction between Cast and Jalan, but from the quotes you posted it seems like Cast has more interaction with Fanderay. Do you feel that Jalan is particularly scummy?

Also, you say that Cast's speculation on roles is scummy, but Monoch's speculation about mechanics isn't? Also, his questions about scum roles seems to me like trying to figure out what town knows about the scum players. Town has no knowledge about what is happening in terms of scum, so what is the point of the question?

I didn't connect you and Monok, btw, I just said that you both used tactics that irritate me.

You might be on to something with Grasp though. Don't you think it weird that he is trying so hard to be non-confrontational. It's the same problem I have with Monok. Why try so hard to be non-confrontational, unless you are trying to hide in plain sight and not make waves?

[Ghennan]

Ultama, on 23 October 2013 - 10:32 AM, said:

This is probably why looking at post count can be a bit detrimental to the game, or by using it you have to look into things deeper. Jalan has padded his posts, beefed them up to look like he fits in with both Grasp and myself. Would scum do that? Have no content to back up their posts?

Sure. We have a tendency to lynch either low posters or high posters that make a lot of waves. Surely having a high post count but relatively low content would be relatively safe for scum.

[Ultama]

Ghennan, on 23 October 2013 - 10:33 AM, said:

Your case on Cast seems to hinge around the interaction between Cast and Jalan, but from the quotes you posted it seems like Cast has more interaction with Fanderay. Do you feel that Jalan is particularly scummy?

Also, you say that Cast's speculation on roles is scummy, but Monoch's speculation about mechanics isn't? Also, his questions about scum roles seems to me like trying to figure out what town knows about the scum players. Town has no knowledge about what is happening in terms of scum, so what is the point of the question?

I didn't connect you and Monok, btw, I just said that you both used tactics that irritate me.

You might be on to something with Grasp though. Don't you think it weird that he is trying so hard to be non-confrontational. It's the same problem I have with Monok. Why try so hard to be non-confrontational, unless you are trying to hide in plain sight and not make waves?

I just posted about Jalan, I find him less so, in fact Fanderay has more content filled posts than Jalan does, but I guess we'd find out more if Cast was lynched and came up scum.

I say Cast speculating on "town roles" is scummy. Not the d day part, and Monok specualting on mechanics is again not based on the town side of things but finding out how scum are distributed. He could manipulate his own findings into what he wants us to think ie he said one killer one symp, but personally I am going off the theory that there are paired killers.

Also it is Monok not Monoch. You wrote it wrong in one sentence and right in another. Not irritating enough to blow up at you but worth a mention.

I am unsure. I still like at least one of the 4 being scum and I am pointing towards Cast as that player.

[Ultama]

Ghennan, on 23 October 2013 - 10:36 AM, said:

Ultama, on 23 October 2013 - 10:32 AM, said:

This is probably why looking at post count can be a bit detrimental to the game, or by using it you have to look into things deeper. Jalan has padded his posts, beefed them up to look like he fits in with both Grasp and myself. Would scum do that? Have no content to back up their posts?

Sure. We have a tendency to lynch either low posters or high posters that make a lot of waves. Surely having a high post count but relatively low content would be relatively safe for scum.

Well I cannot rule out Jalan until he brings more to the table. Out of the people whom I have a problem with I am more inclined to vote for the person who is less likely to vote and come up scum.

What are your thoughts Ghennan, have I been biased in my opinions? Do you see anything in the posts I have quoted?

[Ghennan]

Yeah, I realised halfway through writing that that I was spelling it wrong, I guess I missed correcting one.

Ironically, your cases have made me less convinced about Cast, and more about the others...

Why is it that you find the interaction between Cast and Jalan suspicious, but not Jalan himself?

[Ghennan]

I think the posts you are making are interesting, and it's nice to have a bit more information on thread. I just feel like you seem to make some leaps of logic that I don't follow, and some things seem a bit inconsistent, but at this stage of the game a lot is still based on feelings and suspicions without much that is concrete.