[Galactic Council]

D, on 20 November 2013 - 06:18 PM, said:

twelve, on 20 November 2013 - 03:42 PM, said:

Tapper, on 20 November 2013 - 12:46 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 20 November 2013 - 12:11 PM, said:

I want to know if Tapper is using his pulsar this turn or passing.

But I will PASS in either case.


@ D'rek:

Are you able to reaction build a ship in Aldebaran? Gnaw's interceptor only has one set of missiles and no computers.

I will use the pulsar as my action, but after that I'll pass.
The pass was mostly to make the Reaction Squad know when I'll react and make turns go quicker, smoother and happier.

As it's your turn now that Morgoth has passed I highly recommend that you pass as well ending the round. I think it's better that you do not use the pulsar as it gives Gnaw a chance to react and move his interceptors out of your hex and gives you a very good chance of destroying both.

I agree, but I think it's too late for that now, the pulsar action was submitted. Oh well.

The pulsar was locked when Khell passed, no?

[Gnaw]

Imperial Historian, on 20 November 2013 - 06:40 PM, said:

So presumably Gnaw is going to move his ship into one of the nearby systems, then we wait on Tapper for confirmation of final pass/not pass, then we can get some battles going!

EDIT: I don't suppose we'll get Tatts first move before he goes? I'm sure it's going to be research advanced economy or positron comps, but i suppose the tech draw might throw something new into the mix.

I love how Tapper covered his bases. But left D'rek to fend for herself.

Turn 8:

Reaction move interceptor to Aldebaran.
-21 upkeep. $0, Sc 0, Ma 7

[Galactic Council]

Round 4 Action Phase


Turn 1

Spoiler

Tatts

• Research Improved Hull
• Upkeep -5
• Bank $4, S8, M14
• Production $15, S6, M4

Gnaw

• research neutron bombs -2 sci
• -5 upkeep. 0, Sci 7, Ma 13

Twelve

• Research plasma missiles convert 6 materials to science
• 1$, 0S, 13 M upkeep -3

Imperial Historian

• research advanced mining
  
• Convert 3 production to 1 science,
  
• Upkeep -2 £0 S=0 P=9

Morgoth

• Research - Fusion drive and Fusion Source for 7 science
• $ 2, S 3, M 7,
• Upkeep - 5

CF - RESEARCH - Advanced labs


Tapper .- Research Gauss Shield for 2 science, (middle track).

Khell

• RESEARCH Fusion Source for 6 Science.
• $0, S2, M13

D'rek - RESearch Neutron Bombs for my next action.

Turn 2

Spoiler

Tatts -

• Research Point Defense put it on middle track - 9 science convert 4 materials into 1 science to cover this.
• Upkeep -7
• Bank $4,S0,M10

Gnaw

• Research Cloaking Device -7 science put on middle track
• $0, Sc 0, Ma 13. -7 upkeep

Twelve -

• Gnaw stick with my original provisional
• Build two orbitals in 310 and 318. Colonize them both with science.
• (1$, 0S, 2M Upkeep-5)
• Exchange Ambassadors with IH. Both send monetary gifts.

Imperial Historian

• So upgrade cruiser with 2 improved hull over electron computer and in the blank space, and one positron computer over the hull.
• Upkeep -3 £0 S0 M9

Morgoth provisional Upgrade - Add fusion source and fusion drive to cruiser

CF - Upgrade starbases - Imp hull on blank spot and imp. hull over one regular hull.

Tapper - Influence.

• Flip a colony ship for 1 science. Remove disc from Aldebaran. Turn that colony ship face-up.
• Gnaw, I think you removed the money cube on Aldebaran to the material track instead? Fixed

Khell - INFLUENCE

• Epsilon Carinae and Lambda Serpentis. Colonise all planets (grey planet with science cube). Reveal the discovery.
• So what wondrous creation do I get this time, GC? A clapped-out interceptor? A tech I already possess maybe? Oh, a piece of lint from your pocket perhaps?
  
• Discovery is Free Ancient Cruiser 02. He keeps as cruiser.
  

D'rek - Provisional: Research Advanced Mining (-9 science)

Turn 3

Spoiler

Tatts -

• Upgrade Cruiser and Dreadnought, Improved Hull over normal hull.
• Upkeep - 10
• Bank $4,S0,M10
• Production $15,S6,M4

Gnaw - Build

• 2 interceptors in Arcturus
• $0, Sc 0, Ma 7
• -10 upkeep.

Twelve - Provisional Influence

No I will have one adv material slot not populated. Don't populate 304 with an influence disk and colonize the adv material slot and I'll be good.

• -remove influence disk on supernova
• -return all three population cubes to materials
• reset 2 colony ships 3 ships available.
• -move influence disk from player board back to supernova
• -populate 2 grey slots on supernova to science. use the last colony ship on the adv material slot on the supernova while we are at it.
• (1$, 0S, 2M Upkeep -7
  

Imperial Historian -

• BUILD 2 x cruisers in the hive hex
• Upkeep -5 £0 S0 M1

Morgoth - Move - both cruisers to my single tier 2 system

CF

• CONVERT 4 money to 2 materials.
  
• BUILD Orbital in Psi Capricorni (or whatever it's called...up next to Arcturus and Alpha Centauri, NW of my homeworld),
  
• populate with SCIENCE.
  
• BUILD Starbase in Formahaut. POPULATE two advanced science slots, one on homeworld and one on Formahaut.
  • @Rules:
  • Not that I have anything to do with an extra colony ship just now, but does the above constitute a use of 2 or 3 colony ships? In other words, does building an orbital require a colony ship to populate it or does it populate by default? Has to be populated
    
• I should add that my provisional move is incumbent on no aggressive action or posturing taken against me or my ally.

Tapper

• I think the money cube from Aldebaran was moved to materials, instead.
• fixed
  

• Research Positron Computer and flip 3 colonyships for science, please - it should come with a discount of -3, and +3 science gained --> 10 - 5 + 3 = 8.
• That also gives me a discovery tile, please - any ships/orbitals/warp portals et cetera are deployed in my homeworld should I keep them.
  • http://orokos.com/roll/149569#
    Description r4 Tapper magellan 4th tech discovery. 19 available
    Results 1#1d19: 1 # 19 [1d19=19]
  • Shard Hull - place over hull point on dread.
    
• so I'd be at 5 money (+8 income), 8 science (+6 income), 6 materials (+6 income) at upkeep -7.

Khell

• And Tapper sounds like he'll be researching, so I will say:
• Turn 3: RESEARCH Neutron Bombs.
• $0, S0, M13

D'rek

INFluence:

• --move a disc from the influence track to Aldebaran
• --move a disc from Delta Eridani to Phi Piscum (science cube goes back to population track)
• --colonize Advanced Materials slot in Beta Lyrae
• --colonize money slot in Phi Piscum
• --colonize Advanced Materials slot in Aldebaran
• --flip up two colony ships
• --colonize Advanced Science slot in Aldebaran
• --colonize Advanced Science slot in Phi Piscum

Turn 4

Spoiler

Tatts

• Pass 1st of Round
• Upkeep - 10
• Bank $4,S0,M10
• Production $15,S6,M4

Gnaw -

• Move 2 interceptors from Arcturus to Epsilon Indi.
• $0, Sc 0, Ma 7. -17 -13 upkeep

Twelve

• Provisionally PASS Second of round
  
• (1$,0S,2M Upkeep -7)

IH

• move 2 x crusiers into twelves homeworld
  
• Upkeep -7 £0 S0 M1
  • Return the diplomatic relations cube to the materials track, take the traitor card
  • Twelve - Return mine to Money

Morgoth - Move - both cruisers from 201 to 221

CF - Pass

Tapper - Influence and flip colony ship

Khell - UPGRADE: Remove one Plasma Cannon from dread; Insert Nuclear Drive in blank spot on Dread, and in blank spot on Cruiser.

D'rek - Pass

Turn 5

Spoiler

Tatts - provisional Move dread to 310

Gnaw - Pass

Twelve - no reaction

IH - Pass

Morgoth - Upgrade - Add improved hull over hull on cruiser, add improved hull over empty slot on starbase.

CF - no reaction

Tapper -

• Research Advanced Robotics.
• Flip a colony ship for 1 mats (6 --> 7).

Khell -

• RESEARCH Warp Portal for 8 materials.
• Place in that far hex where my dread and cruiser are.

D'rek - No reaction

Turn 6

Spoiler

Tatts - no reaction


Gnaw - No reaction

Twelve - no reaction

IH - no reaction

Morgoth - Move cruisers to Arcturus

CF - no reaction unless invaded

Tapper - Provisionally: Influence. Flip a colony ship face up. Flip it face down for materials.

Khell - MOVE Dreadnaught to Lambda Aurigae, MOVE Cruiser to Zeta Chameleontis.

D'rek - no reaction confirmed

Turn 7


Tatts - no reaction (confirmed)


Gnaw - reaction

• Upgrade interceptor blueprint by replacing missiles in blank spot with nuclear drive.
• -17 upkeep. $0, Sc 0, Ma 7

Twelve - no reaction

IH - no reaction

Morgoth - pass?? I think I saw him say that earlier.

CF - no reaction unless invaded

Tapper - pulsar: build a fighter in the world with 2 science planets

Khell - But I will PASS in either case. I want to know if Tapper is using his pulsar this turn or passing.

D'rek - no reaction


Turn 8


Tatts - no reaction (assumed)


Gnaw -

• Reaction move interceptor to Aldebaran.
• -21 upkeep. $0, Sc 0, Ma 7

Twelve - no reaction

IH - no reaction (assumed)

Morgoth - no reaction (assumed)

CF - no reaction unless invaded

Tapper - Provisional pass unless someone moves ships into my systems. Action phase will end here if Tapper does pass.

Khell -

D'rek -

[Galactic Council]

Khellendros, on 20 November 2013 - 06:59 PM, said:

Yaaaaaaaaawn.

I propose next game we ban reactions except for purely defensive reasons, i.e. if someone invades your territory

I think that the current problem has more to do with the alliances than reactions. But it is a valid issue.

[cerveza_fiesta]

What is the current "problem"?

[Galactic Council]

Action 4 battles pre-combat
381

Khell vs cubes. (nukes present)

Khell takes hex

310

Tatts vs Twelve. (nukes present)
1x Tatts dread. 1x Twelve orbital

Firing order: Dread (5 init, 4/4 health) -> orbital (0 init, 4/4 health)


Engagement One

Tatts 4/4 health, Twelve 4/4 health. (0 shields in battle)

r4 310 Eng One: Tatts 1x dread w/ +1 comps, 2x ION cannon - 1#2d6x5. Twelve 1x Orbital w/ 0 comp, 1x ION turret. - 1#2d6x6

Engagement Two

Tatts ?/4 health, Twelve ?/4 health. (0 shields in battle)


r4 310 Eng two: Tatts 1x dread w/ +1 comps, 2x ION cannon - 1#2d6x5. Twelve 1x Orbital w/ 0 comp, 1x ION turret. - 1#2d6x6

234

IH vs Twelve (nukes present)
2x IH cruiser. 1x Twelve interceptor and 1x orbital

Firing order: Interceptor (3 init, 1/1 health) -> 2x Cruiser (3 init, 5/5 health) -> orbital (0 init, 4/4 health)

Engagement One

r4 234 Eng One: Twelve 1x int w/ 0 comps, 1x ION cannon - 1#1d6x6. IH 2x cruiser w/ +2 comp, 1x ION cannon - 1#1d6x4. Twelve 1x Orbital w/ 0 comp, 1x ION turret. - 1#2d6x6

230

Khell vs IH (nukes present)
1x Khell dread. 1x IH interceptor

Firing order: 1x interceptor (4 init, 1/1 health) -> 1x dread (2 init, 3/3 health) No shields in battle

Engagement One

r4 230 Eng one: IH 1x Int +2 comp, 1x ION cannon - 1#1d6x4. Khell 1x dread +1 comp, 1x ION cannon and 1x Plasma cannon - 1#1d6x5, 1#1d6x5.

206 ON HOLD

Gnaw vs Tapper (nukes present)
1x Gnaw interceptor. 1x Tapper dread

Firing order: 1x interceptor missiles. 1x interceptor destroyed.

Missile engagement

r4 206 missile. Gnaw 1x int 0 comp, 1x Plasma missile - 1#2d6x6

Engagement One - interceptor has no cannons and cannot retreat. Destroyed.

Tapper retains hex
rep draw: Gnaw 1, Tapper 2


107 ON HOLD
Gnaw vs Cubes (nukes present)



104a

Morgy vs Gnaw (nukes present)
2x Morgoth cruiser. 1x Gnaw interceptor

Firing order: 1x interceptor missile. 1x interceptor (4/4 init, 1/1 health) -> 2x cruiser (3 init, 5/5 health)

Missile engagement

r4 104a Missile. Gnaw 1x int 0 comp, 1x PLASMA missile - 1#2d6x6

Engagement One

Gnaw - Interceptor begins retreat to 105

Morgoth - r4 104a Eng one: Morgoth 2x cruiser +1 comp, 1x PLASMA cannon - 2#1d6x4

Morgy's cruisers move to 104b. Cruiser 1 (?/5 health) and cruiser 2 (5/5 health) both survive.

rep draw: Gnaw 0, Morgoth 1 or 2


104b
Morgy vs Ancients (nukes present)

2x Morgoth cruiser. 2x ancient

Firing order: 2x cruiser (3 init, 5?/5 and 5/5 health) -> 2x ancient (2 init, 2/2 health)

Engagement one

r4 104b Eng one: Morg 2x cruiser +1 compp, 1x PLASMA cannon - 2#1d6x4. Ancient 2x ship +1 comp, 2x ION cannon - 2#2d6x5

2 ancient ships destroyed.
Morgoth takes hex
rep draw: Morgoth 2.

This post has been edited by Galactic Council: 20 November 2013 - 08:59 PM

[Galactic Council]

cerveza_fiesta, on 20 November 2013 - 07:31 PM, said:

What is the current "problem"?

Players not being able to confirm actions/reactions due to waiting to see what an alliance partner is going to do.

Edit: at least that's my take on it.

This post has been edited by Galactic Council: 20 November 2013 - 07:39 PM

[Imperial Historian]

I think the current problem is we're going to slow for Gnaw. But I think that is more an inherent problem of playing a game like eclipse across multiple timezones.

[Morgoth]

Yeah, I don't mind the pace. Though I also think people feel too obliged to check everything with their allies. CF excluded, and for that he is my favourite ally.

[Galactic Council]

Imperial Historian, on 20 November 2013 - 07:42 PM, said:

I think the current problem is we're going to slow for Gnaw. But I think that is more an inherent problem of playing a game like eclipse across multiple timezones.

Uh. Why for you say that? My comment above was in reply to Khell's yawn and provisional modification proposal.

[Morgoth]

Galactic Council, on 20 November 2013 - 07:46 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 20 November 2013 - 07:42 PM, said:

I think the current problem is we're going to slow for Gnaw. But I think that is more an inherent problem of playing a game like eclipse across multiple timezones.

Uh. Why for you say that? My comment above was in reply to Khell's yawn and provisional modification proposal.

He say that for why.

[Imperial Historian]

Just get the impression you'd like things to speed up, along with a few others, but when we're playing across multiple timezones not much we can do.

[cerveza_fiesta]

I don't see it as a problem, really. Just don't get too hung up on it.

If there's something you know is going to be an absolute round-breaker without perfect coordination between you and your allies, then yeah wait....but unless we're talking Round 8 or 9, you probably can just go and fix any screwups as you go.

[Galactic Council]

Imperial Historian, on 20 November 2013 - 07:57 PM, said:

Just get the impression you'd like things to speed up, along with a few others, but when we're playing across multiple timezones not much we can do.

I agree.

However, if I was actively seeking to speed things up the moment Khell passed and Tapper posted his provisional I would have made my reaction move and called end of action phase.


Edit:

cerveza_fiesta, on 20 November 2013 - 08:10 PM, said:

I don't see it as a problem, really. Just don't get too hung up on it.

If there's something you know is going to be an absolute round-breaker without perfect coordination between you and your allies, then yeah wait....but unless we're talking Round 8 or 9, you probably can just go and fix any screwups as you go.

That's why I'm waiting on Tapper to confirm. Although D'rek passed knowing that she was likely to get invaded I think it's only right that Tapper get the opportunity to retract the pass so that D'rek can defend her hex.

This post has been edited by Galactic Council: 20 November 2013 - 08:13 PM

[Galactic Council]

It just occured to me though that we could move on to the other battles right? At this point the only things Tapper could do could not affect the Khell, IH, or Twelve battles?

[Morgoth]

Battles!

If I take Arcturus I wish to influence, and settle both science and one money planet. In addition, I wish to exchange ambassadors with Tapper.

If I do not take Arcturus; hold me

[D'rek]

Tapper, if you want to move an interceptor to aldebaran to try and defend it, go for it, but don't feel compelled to. It's not a big loss to me other than that I won't be able to complete the prosperity shrines, but I was on the fence about doing those anyways. The -21 upkeep is going to hurt Gnaw more than the loss of the system will hurt me.

[twelve]

When I get anihilated in my two battles return the orbital cubes to one money and one science.

Tatts you intersested in diplomatic relations? It's a chance for your team to gain two points as I'll take the traitor card off your hands.

[Galactic Council]

Morgoth, on 20 November 2013 - 08:41 PM, said:

Battles!

If I take Arcturus I wish to influence, and settle both science and one money planet. In addition, I wish to exchange ambassadors with Tapper.

If I do not take Arcturus; hold me

D, on 20 November 2013 - 08:44 PM, said:

Tapper, if you want to move an interceptor to aldebaran to try and defend it, go for it, but don't feel compelled to. It's not a big loss to me other than that I won't be able to complete the prosperity shrines, but I was on the fence about doing those anyways. The -21 upkeep is going to hurt Gnaw more than the loss of the system will hurt me.

twelve, on 20 November 2013 - 08:48 PM, said:

When I get anihilated in my two battles return the orbital cubes to one money and one science.

Tatts you intersested in diplomatic relations? It's a chance for your team to gain two points as I'll take the traitor card off your hands.

Noted.


everyone please check the pre-combat post for errors in shields, cannons, health, etc. please.

This post has been edited by Galactic Council: 20 November 2013 - 09:02 PM

[Morgoth]

I take it back. Two money and one science cube.

edit: Although, wait for the discovery tile before making the final decisions.

This post has been edited by Morgoth: 20 November 2013 - 09:14 PM