[Imperial Historian]

Gnaw my upkeep is -10 not -7. Your missing one of my move orders from your board

[Gnaw]

Imperial Historian, on 07 December 2013 - 01:05 AM, said:

Gnaw my upkeep is -10 not -7. Your missing one of my move orders from your board

meh.

Which is more important:

• Destroying Khell's dread and clearing that hex
• Destroying Khell's cruiser and clearing the warp portal

The way it stands now we can't do both.

[Imperial Historian]

errr why not exactly?

[Gnaw]

The assumption Twelve was making about not being able to beat your dread. We're assuming that Khell is going to stand and fight. That's not a safe assumption.

382:

His cruiser has 2 health. Your dread gets to shoot 2 salvoes with 2 ion cannons and only missing on ones. Odds are negligible that he could successfully retreat.

307 is a slightly different story:

Khell's dread has 3 health. Tatts' dread will get 2 salvoes with 2 ion cannons and only missing on ones. But a single miss let's Khell successfully retreat.

[Imperial Historian]

Yes but there is nowhere for him to retreat too...

and even if he could retreat it would require 2 misses for him to retreat successfully

[Gnaw]

Imperial Historian, on 07 December 2013 - 02:23 AM, said:

Yes but there is nowhere for him to retreat too...

doh. his dread is stuck. I thought it could get to the empty hex.

nvm.

[Imperial Historian]

even if the hex was connected you can only retreat into a hex where you have a disc down with no enemy ships (i've not seen a ruling on this but i presume you can also retreat into a hex where your ally has a disc down)

[Morgoth]

I AM SOBER!

[Galactic Council]

Round 5 Battle Preview

Battle 1: 382 said:

IH vs Khell

Nukes: yes
Missiles: no
Shields: no
Computers: yes
Specials: Nukes not needed to clear cubes.


IH: 1x Dread 3 init, 5/5 health, +4 comp, 2x ION cannon. 1#2d6x2
Khell: 1x Cruiser. 2 init, 2/2 health, +1 comp, 1x ION cannon. 1x1d6x5

Firing order: IH dread -> Khell cruiser

Retreat is possible for Khell.

Battle orders: ?


Engagement One (combined roll):

IH 5/5 health, Khell 2/2 health.

r5 382 Eng One: IH - 1x Dread +4 comp, 2x ION cannon. 1#2d6x2. Khell - 1x Cruiser +1 comp, 1x ION cannon. 1#1d6x5

Dread and Cruiser survive

Engagement Two:

IH ?/5 health, Khell ?/2 health.

r5 382 Eng Two: IH - 1x Dread +4 comp, 2x ION cannon. 1#2d6x2. Khell - 1x Cruiser +1 comp, 1x ION cannon. 1#1d6x5

Battle 2: 309 said:

Gnaw vs cubes

Nukes: yes
Missiles: yes
Shields: no
Computers: yes
Specials: none

Battle 3: 307 said:

Tatts vs Khell

Nukes: yes
Missiles: no
Shields: no
Computers: yes
Specials:

• Nukes not needed to clear cubes.
• Point Defense

Tatts: 1x Dread. 5 init, 5/5 health, +4 comp, 2x ION cannon. 1#2d6x2
Khell: 1x Dread. 2 init, 3/3 health, +1 comp, 1x PLASMA cannon, 1x ION cannon. 1#1d6x5 (Plasma) and 1#1d6x5 (Ion)

Firing order: Tatts dread -> Khell dread

Retreat is not possibe

Battle orders: ?

Engagement One:

Tatts 5/5 health, Khell 3/3 health

r5 307 Eng One: Tatts - 1x Dread +4 comp, 2x ION cannon. 1#2d6x2. Khell - 1x Dread +1 comp, 1x PLASMA cannon, 1x ION cannon. 1#1d6x5 (Plasma) and 1#1d6x5 (Ion)

Both survive.

Engagement Two:

Tatts ?/5 health, Khell ?/3 health

r5 307 Eng Two: Tatts - 1x Dread +4 comp, 2x ION cannon. 1#2d6x2. Khell - 1x Dread +1 comp, 1x PLASMA cannon, 1x ION cannon. 1x1d6x5 (Plasma) and 1#1d6x5 (Ion)

Rep draw:

Battle 4: 304 said:

IH vs cubes

Nukes: yes
Missiles: no
Shields: no
Computers: yes
Specials: none

Battle 5: 232 said:

D'rek vs cubes

Nukes: yes
Missiles: no
Shields: no
Computers: yes
Specials: Absorption Field

Battle 6: 230 said:

Gnaw vs cubes

Nukes: yes
Missiles: yes
Shields: no
Computers: yes
Specials: none

Battle 7: 228 said:

Khell vs. Tatts & Gnaw

Nukes: yes
Missiles: yes
Shields: no
Computers: yes
Specials: Point Defense

Tatts: 1x Cruiser 5 init, 3/3 health, +2 comp, 2x ION cannon. 1#2d6x4
Khell: 1x Int 1 init, 1/1 health, +1 comp, 1x PLASMA cannon. 1#1d6x5
Gnaw: 1x Int 4 init, 1/1 health, 1x PLASMA missile. No cannon. 1#2d6x6

Firing order: Gnaw missiles -> Tatts cruiser -> Gnaw int -> Khell int

Retreat is possible for Tatts and Gnaw

Battle orders: ?

• Gnaw: Fire missiles then retreat

Engagement Missile:

r5 228 Missiles: Gnaw 1x PLASMA battery. 1#2d6x6

Engagement One (combined roll):

Tatts 3/3 health, Gnaw 1/1 health, Khell 1/1 health

r5 228 Eng One: Tatts 1x Cruiser +2 comp, 2x ION cannon. 1#2d6x4 Khell: 1x Int +1 comp, 1x PLASMA cannon. 1#1d6x5

Battle 8: 226 said:

D'rek vs. Gnaw

Nukes: yes
Missiles: yes
Shields: no
Computers: no
Specials: Absorption Field

D'rek: 1x Int 3 init, 3/3 health, 1x ION cannon. 1#1d6x6
Gnaw: 1x Int 4 init, 1/1 health, 1x PLASMA missile battery. 1#2d6x6

Firing order: Gnaw missile -> Gnaw cannon (NONE) -> D'rek

Retreat is possible for D'rek

Battle orders: ?


Engagement Missiles:

r5 226 Missiles: Gnaw 1x PLASMA missile. 1#2d6x6

Engagement One:


Rep Draw:

Battle 9: 209 said:

D'rek vs cubes

Nukes: yes
Missiles: no
Shields: no
Computers: yes
Specials: Absorption Field

Battle 10: 204 said:

IH vs Ancient Ship

Nukes: yes
Missiles: no
Shields: no
Computers: yes
Specials: none

IH: 1x cruiser. 3 init, 5/5 health, +2 comp, 1x ION cannon. 1x1d6x4
Ancient: 1x standard ship. 2 init, 2/2 health, +1 compt, 2x ION cannon. 1x2d6x5

Firing order: IH -> ancient

Engagement One:

Battle 11: 108 said:

IH vs Ancient ship

Nukes: yes
Missiles: no
Shields: no
Computers: yes
Specials: none

IH: 1x cruiser
Ancient: 1x standard ship

Firing order:

Engagement One:

Battle 12: 107 said:

D'rek vs cubes

Nukes: yes
Missiles: no
Shields: no
Computers: yes
Specials: Absorption Field

Battle 13: 105 said:

105a said:

Morgoth vs IH

Nukes: yes
Missiles: no
Shields: no
Computers: yes
Specials: Absorption Field

IH: 1x cruiser
Morgoth: 1x Cruiser

Firing order:

Engagement One:

105b said:

Morgoth vs Ancient ship

Nukes: yes
Missiles: no
Shields: no
Computers: yes
Specials: Absorption Field

Morgoth: 1x cruiser
Ancient: 1x standard ship

Firing order:

Engagement One:

Battle 14: 001 said:

Tapper vs GCDS

Nukes: yes
Missiles: no
Shields: Yes (Tapper -1 and GCDS -2)
Computers: yes (GCDS only)
Specials: Anti Matter Splitter

Tapper: 4x Int 3 init, 1/1 health, -1 shield, 1x AntiM cannon with splitter. 4#1d6x6
GCDS: SP1 option 2 4 init, 5/5 health, +1 comp, -2 shield, 2x AntiM cannon. 1#2d6x6

Firing order: GCDS -> Tapper

Tapper can retreat.

Battle orders:

Engagement One (combined roll):

GCDS 5/5 health, Tapper 4x 1/1 health

r5 Eng One: GCDS +1 comp, -2 shield, 2x AntiM cannon. 1#2d6x6 Tapper -1 shield, 1x AntiM cannon with splitter. 4#1d6x6

Rep draw: Tapper ==

Still working on this. Just wanted to get it posted so I don't lose it if my power cord falls out. (no battery in this laptop)

This post has been edited by Galactic Council: 07 December 2013 - 10:04 PM

[Tapper]

Upgrade Computer on fighter to gauss shield.
Upgrade one Ion Cannon on a dread to Antimatter Cannon.

Then pass.

If I take the centre: claim, colonize 1x grey planet with money (income becomes 10), 1x with materials (mats gain becomes 8)
I'll be 11 money short.
Remove discs from Pulsar, 206, 102 in that order, should bring me to 10 upkeep.

This post has been edited by Tapper: 07 December 2013 - 08:15 AM

[Galactic Council]

Round 5 Action Phase

Turn 1

Spoiler

Tatts: Research positron computer -5 == 1 left (these notes are mostly for my use. They show what my board reflects.)

Gnaw the indecisive

• Research nanorobots -2 == 6 left
• $0, Sci 6, Ma 13

Twelve

• Research Tractorbeam cost 2 science. Put it on the top row -2 == 8 left
  (4$,8S,10M Upkeep -2)

IH

• Research starbases -3 == 0 left
• £3 S0 M11 Upkeep -2

Morgoth

• Research - positron computers and distortion shield(placed on top track). -11 == 2 left
• This leaves me at
• $ 2
• S 2
• M 11
• Upkeep - 7

CF Research antimatter cannons. -13 == 2 left


Tapper Research Antimatter Cannons. Flip as many colony ships (1 or 2) as required to pay for it. -9 == 0 no ships used

Khell - INFLUENCE Lambda Aurigae and Zeta Chamaeleontis. Colonise money and science planets on Lambda Aurigae.

D'rek - Provisional research advanced robotics -4 == 14 left

Turn 2

Spoiler

Tatts - Upgrade

• swap computer on cruiser for pos comp.
• upgrade dread with improved hull over drive

Gnaw research advanced robotics -5 == 1 left

Twelve- Research Tachyon Source -6 science == 2 left

IH Build dreadnought and cruiser, in the hex next to the hive world and the warp portal. -11 mats == 0 left

Morgoth Upgrade - Add Positron computer over electron computer on cruiser, and over electron computer on the starbase.

CF

My upkeep discs aren't right. My board shows AM cannons, but there is no disc on research. Thanks! fixed
RESEARCH - Advanced robotics. Convert 4 money to 2 science -$4 and -2 sci == $1 and 0 sci left

Tapper - Use Pulsar upgrade: put a 6-energy source on the fighter instead of its current 3.


Khell - MOVE Dreadnaught from Lambda Aurigae to Zeta Andromedae.

D'rek - Research Quantum Grid -14 sci == 2 left

Turn 3

Spoiler

Tatts Build Dread and cruiser in Iota Bootus hex 213. - 13 materials == 1 left

Gnaw Influence action

• influence delta eridani colonize sci
• move disc from mu cassiopeia to delta corvi return grey planet cube to mats
• colonize money in delta corvi
• flip colony ships face up
• -10 -7 upkeep $0, S 1, Ma13

Twelve Sent Today, 10:42 AM

• Upgrade Dreadnaught blueprint
• Place Tachyon source over default source
• Place plasma cannons over blank slot
• (4$, 2S, 10M Upkeep -5)

IH - "Let us crush those we are able now whilst we remain strong, MOVE the dreadnought from 101 to zeta chameleonis"

Morgoth - Upgrade – add fusion source and plasma cannon over both hulls on Starbase schematic.

CF - UPGRADE - Starbases. Source over single hull, AM cannon over ion cannon

• Directorate Economic Summary
• Upkeep -5
• Bank 1
• Science 0
• Materials 6
  

Tapper - upgrade fighter with Antimatter Cannon over Ion Cannon & with +2 computer over the other Ion Cannon, please

Khell - MOVE Dreadnaught to Sigma Sagitarii.

D'rek - Upgrade: Cover the top Ion Cannon of my Interceptor blueprint with Improved Hull. Place an Improved Hull in the empty slot of my Cruiser blueprint

Turn 4

Spoiler

Tatts - Upgrade Ion cannon over single hull on dread. Pos computer over computer

Gnaw - Build 3 interceptors. -9 mats == 4 left

• 2 in the warp portal (281) and 1 in 209.
• -10 upkeep. $0, Sc 1, M 4

Twelve - Influence

• Move the disk from 318 to 304 return 1 science 1 material 1 money
• Move disk from player board to 318
• deploy colony ship to 304 material slot
• deploy 2 colony ships to 318 settle adv material and grey as material
• Reset 2 colony ships
• Redeploy 1 to 318 and settle orbital with money
• Incomes should be 8 money, 6 science, 8 materials
• (4$, 2S, 10M Upkeep -10)

IH - Ok move dreadnought from hive to 108 and cruiser from twelves homeworld to vega

Morgoth - Pass 1st of round

CF - Pass 2nd of round

Tapper - Build 2 interceptors in 102. -6 mats == 5 left

Khell - INFLUENCE.

• Influence Sigma Sagitarii. Also remove disc from Lambda Serpentis, and place it on Zeta Andromedae.
• Return materials and science cubes back to research track.
• Flip two colony ships back up.
• -17

D'rek - Provisional - Build 2 interceptors in Beta Lyrae and 1 in Geminga -9 mats == 1 left

Turn 5

Spoiler

Tatts - Move cruiser and dread to destroy khell.

Gnaw - Move

• Int from Beta Corvi to IH's homeworld
• Int from Delta Eridani to Khell's homeworld

Twelve - Pass

IH - MOVE

• cruiser from 101 to 105 and
• cruiser from twelves ex-homeworld to 304.

Morgoth - no reaction

CF - BUILD -

• Orbital, populate with science. EDIT - woops...build in Procyon sector. Sorry bout that. -5 mats == 1 right
  
• Directorate Production Summary
• Money + 10
• Science + 18
• Materials + 6
• Directorate Economic Summary
• Upkeep -7
• Bank 1
• Science 0
• Materials 1

Tapper - provisionally build 2 more fighters, flipping a colony ship for mats -5 mats == 0 left

Khell

• Colonise money planet at Sigma Sagitarii. Colonise orbital in Zeta Chamaeleontis with money cube.
• BUILD 1 Interceptor in Zeta Andromedae. -3 mats == 2 wrongs don't make a right.
  

D'rek - Pulsar - MOV - Interceptor from Geminga to 51 Cygni

Turn 6

Spoiler

Tatts -

• Upgrade cruiser. Replace neuton drive with ion cannon.
• Replace improved hull with positron computer on dread. Then positron over ion cannon on dread.

Gnaw - Build -

• int in my homeworld -3 mats == 1 left
  
• -17 upkeep. $0, Sci 1, Ma 1.
  

Twelve - Pass

IH - Pass

Morgoth - react move - cruiser to 105

CF - I confirm pass unless i am attacked

Tapper - move 2 fighters to the Galactic Centre from 102 (3 remaining there)

Khell - MOVE

• Interceptor from Zeta Andromedae to Sigma Draconis.
• Colonise materials planet at Zeta Chamaeleontis.

D'rek - MOVe - Interceptor from Beta Lyrae to Aldebaran

Turn 7


Tatts = Pass -21 upkeep

Gnaw - MOVe - Interceptor from Aldebaran to Phi Piscium -21 upkeep

Twelve - Pass -10 upkeep

IH - Sorry im not reacting. Assume I'm not going to for immediate future. -7 upkeep

Morgoth - no reaction -17 upkeep

CF - I confirm pass unless i am attacked -7 upkeep

Tapper - Move 2 fighters to GCDS. Confirmed -13 upkeep

Khell

• INFLUENCE. Remove disc from Zeta Andromedae. Place it on Lambda Serpentis (warp portal hex). Flip two colony ships back up. -30 upkeep
  
• Colonise material and science planets.

D'rek - MOVe - Interceptor from Beta Lyrae to Delta Eridani and Interceptor from Lambda Tauri to Rigel. -7 upkeep


Turn 8


Tatts - Move cruiser in 307? Sigma Sagliatari to gnaws home world.

Gnaw - Pass

Twelve - no reaction

IH - no reaction

Morgoth - no reaction

CF - I confirm pass unless i am attacked

Tapper - Upgrade

• Computer on fighter to gauss shield.
• One Ion Cannon on a dread to Antimatter Cannon.

Khell - no more moves. heh. If we were playing the turn order via pass variant does that mean he'd be last? since he can't even pass?

D'rek - ?


Turn 9


Tatts - reaction?

Gnaw - reaction?

Twelve - no reaction (assumed)

IH - reaction?

Morgoth - reaction?

CF - I confirm pass unless i am attacked

Tapper - Pass

Khell - no more moves.

D'rek - ?

[Galactic Council]

Tapper, on 07 December 2013 - 07:50 AM, said:

Upgrade Computer on fighter to gauss shield.
Upgrade one Ion Cannon on a dread to Antimatter Cannon.

Then pass.

If I take the centre: claim, colonize 1x grey planet with money (income becomes 10), 1x with materials (mats gain becomes 8)
I'll be 11 money short.
Remove discs from Pulsar, 206, 102 in that order, should bring me to 10 upkeep.

noted.

[Gnaw]

Tatts. Don't declare a reaction (or non reactio) until after D'rek goes.

I have an idea.

[Tattersail_]

So its on drek now?

[Gnaw]

yeah D'rek is up.


and actually I don't mind talking this out before she moves. if I'm right it won't matter. i think we can eliminate the antimatter splitter from the game.


Tatts: reaction move your cruiser from my homeworld to 108. You're going to kill that ancient because IH is moving his dread into the GCDS.

Morgoth moves his cruiser from 104 to Tapper's homeworld. There's two reasons it's safe for him to do so. I'll have already did a no reaction. And I can't get anywhere near CF.

CF moves his interceptor into Fomalhaut. <--- That's Morgoth's 104 protection. CF can bankrupt me if I get near him - all he has to do is break diplo. I lose the cube on the ambassador and I'm out of the game.

So it's Tapper's turn. If he passes he's looking at:

• Morgoth's cruiser in the homeworld.
• IH's Dread in the GC ready to kill at least one interceptor and blowing Tapper's chances there.

So Tapper can make another action and move his dread and interceptor. Putting him at -21 with 8 income. or will he?

if he doesn't pass CF gets another reaction move: interceptor into tapper's homeworld. Breaks Diplo and they both lose ambassador cubes.
I don't see any way that Tapper can survive if he allows CF to get another reaction in. But if he passes he's guaranteed to lose his homeworld and have much worse odds of taking the GCDS out.


Khell can't do anything. D'rek can but she's only got this one turn to do something that would save Tapper.

[Tattersail_]

Would this put tapper out of the game? It may be worth losing IHs dread to eliminate Tapper And hurt khell that alliance would be screwed

[Imperial Historian]

You are wrong, it does matter

You are making a couple of assumptions that aren't right, but the basic plan is sound.

But the real question is...

Do we want to eliminate Tapper from the game? Whilst he is there he is going to keep some pressure on Morgoth/CF, without him, they are free from pressure and able to attack us at will.

[Gnaw]

Imperial Historian, on 07 December 2013 - 01:02 PM, said:

You are wrong, it does matter

You are making a couple of assumptions that aren't right, but the basic plan is sound.

But the real question is...

Do we want to eliminate Tapper from the game? Whilst he is there he is going to keep some pressure on Morgoth/CF, without him, they are free from pressure and able to attack us at will.

I never spoke to whether it is desirable or not. Just that it would be possible.

As to brining the subject up before D'rek makes her action: she's in a pickle now. What if all I'm doing is trying to move her away from her homeworld?

[Gnaw]

Imperial Historian, on 07 December 2013 - 01:02 PM, said:

But the real question is...

Do we want to eliminate Tapper from the game? Whilst he is there he is going to keep some pressure on Morgoth/CF, without him, they are free from pressure and able to attack us at will.

Tapper in control of the GC with AntiM splitter is a bit scary. I can see Tapper playing nice with the nerd faction until the hippies have a sold base north and west of the GC. Especially with all those starbases blocking the entrance to their domain. Theoretically D'rek could use Khell's easter warp portal to get to the south one and attack Morgy through the half wormhole.

I think that's what Morgoth is doing. If he can control that warp porta, 105, and 104, then they win with shell world, artifact link, and a couple of monoliths.

[D'rek]

I don't think your plan is going to work Gnaw, but by all means do the first few parts and see if the rest works out.

Biggest mistake you've made though is that this:

Gnaw, on 07 December 2013 - 11:38 AM, said:

CF moves his interceptor into Fomalhaut. <--- That's Morgoth's 104 protection. CF can bankrupt me if I get near him - all he has to do is break diplo. I lose the cube on the ambassador and I'm out of the game.

is flat out wrong, since you can move that cube to science or materials.