[Dolmen 2.0]

Jean-Claude Van tiam, on 28 August 2013 - 08:00 AM, said:

polishgenius, on 27 August 2013 - 11:25 PM, said:

People are getting very excited about Cranston and while it's certainly plausible and would be great, all the reports appear to be coming from the same source which does not have the most reliable reputation, so let's chill our beans. There's nothing official yet.

Jean-Claude Van tiam, on 27 August 2013 - 08:11 PM, said:

Already noted upthread. Some people are claiming this is also a bad choice as hes not physically threatening enough *sigh*

Who the fuck came up with that? Luthor's not supposed to be physically threatening, certainly compared to Superman.

I know its manipulative scheming that makes Luthor the villain.

I hope it is Cranston. Though of course this guarantees nothing. If you said Kevin Spacey was going to be Lex Luthor youd be positive he put in a good performance. Now I cant remember that much about Superman Returns but I know a ew people liked SPacey in it. The script will be the decisive factor not one performance.

Thats true but casting is always a good indicator of where they want a movie to go. Considering how Cranston and Affleck play off each other in Argo it is a very promising choice.

[tiam]

Dolmen+, on 28 August 2013 - 08:05 AM, said:

Jean-Claude Van tiam, on 28 August 2013 - 08:00 AM, said:

polishgenius, on 27 August 2013 - 11:25 PM, said:

People are getting very excited about Cranston and while it's certainly plausible and would be great, all the reports appear to be coming from the same source which does not have the most reliable reputation, so let's chill our beans. There's nothing official yet.

Jean-Claude Van tiam, on 27 August 2013 - 08:11 PM, said:

Already noted upthread. Some people are claiming this is also a bad choice as hes not physically threatening enough *sigh*

Who the fuck came up with that? Luthor's not supposed to be physically threatening, certainly compared to Superman.

I know its manipulative scheming that makes Luthor the villain.

I hope it is Cranston. Though of course this guarantees nothing. If you said Kevin Spacey was going to be Lex Luthor youd be positive he put in a good performance. Now I cant remember that much about Superman Returns but I know a ew people liked SPacey in it. The script will be the decisive factor not one performance.

Thats true but casting is always a good indicator of where they want a movie to go. Considering how Cranston and Affleck play off each other in Argo it is a very promising choice.

I completely forgot they were both in Argo. What im getting at is there isnt a complete consensus that Christian Bale was fantastic as Batman. To say hes the best Batman is not really saying much. I could give it a good go and place higher than Clooney . Seriously though on paper this film could be brilliant if people would simply get over the fact that Affleck is batman.

Showed the gf that fan trailer and she thought it was brilliant.

[rhulad]

Jean-Claude Van tiam, on 28 August 2013 - 09:32 AM, said:

Dolmen+, on 28 August 2013 - 08:05 AM, said:

Jean-Claude Van tiam, on 28 August 2013 - 08:00 AM, said:

polishgenius, on 27 August 2013 - 11:25 PM, said:

People are getting very excited about Cranston and while it's certainly plausible and would be great, all the reports appear to be coming from the same source which does not have the most reliable reputation, so let's chill our beans. There's nothing official yet.

Jean-Claude Van tiam, on 27 August 2013 - 08:11 PM, said:

Already noted upthread. Some people are claiming this is also a bad choice as hes not physically threatening enough *sigh*

Who the fuck came up with that? Luthor's not supposed to be physically threatening, certainly compared to Superman.

I know its manipulative scheming that makes Luthor the villain.

I hope it is Cranston. Though of course this guarantees nothing. If you said Kevin Spacey was going to be Lex Luthor youd be positive he put in a good performance. Now I cant remember that much about Superman Returns but I know a ew people liked SPacey in it. The script will be the decisive factor not one performance.

Thats true but casting is always a good indicator of where they want a movie to go. Considering how Cranston and Affleck play off each other in Argo it is a very promising choice.

I completely forgot they were both in Argo. What im getting at is there isnt a complete consensus that Christian Bale was fantastic as Batman. To say hes the best Batman is not really saying much. I could give it a good go and place higher than Clooney . Seriously though on paper this film could be brilliant if people would simply get over the fact that Affleck is batman.

Showed the gf that fan trailer and she thought it was brilliant.

Adam West is best Batman.

[Agraba]

Out of curiosity, did they initially offer Bale the position? Not that I'm advocating they take him on. That would be a dick move, especially now with another man promised the job. I'm just wondering if they initially planned to use the same Dark Knight, or if this Batman was always planned as a re-imagined version.

Also, I would love to see Cranston as Lex Luthor. I just don't want him to put too much "Heisenberg" in the role.

This post has been edited by Agraba: 29 August 2013 - 01:00 AM

[Aptorian]

As far as I recall, both Bale and Nolan were offered a chance to reprise their roles as Batman and Director in any future Batman projects, but both have stated that all they were interested in was to finish the trilogy.

[Jakovasaurus]

[Aptorian]

I read an article connected with that interview. Before he went online and checked he'd been warned by the producers that he should probably stay away from the internet for 2-3 days while the news settled in.

I like that the people involved in this stuff are so attuned to the audience that they know what the reaction will be even before it is announced and take steps to prepare the actors for it. But you'd still think he'd know after that shit show Daredevil.

[QuickTidal]

I like that he's been able to take it in stride...and my guess...he's about to school every last person who thinks he's a bad choice and show them just the type of Dark Knight he can be. Which is an excellent one.

[D'rek]

So George Reeves played Superman in the 1950s. Then Ben Affleck played George Reeves playing Superman in Hollywoodland. Now Ben Affleck is Batman, versus Superman. So is Ben Affleck the first person to play both Superman and Batman, and now must fight his former identity?

[Abyss]

Ha! So true.

And there's probably a Batman/Daredevil joke in there somewhere too.

[Una]

I keep seeing people complaining that Ben Affleck isn't scary or serious enough to play Batman. They keep using the word "gravitas". Can someone explain this?

I mean, I admit that I'm not a longtime comic book fan, so maybe that's what I'm missing. Pocket money was hard to come by as a kid, so those thin little comic books that you can read in one sitting were just not a smart way to use my precious nickels and dimes. Therefore, my main exposure to Batman was the Saturday morning cartoon and the Adam West TV show. I really wouldn't use the word "gravitas" in connection with those shows. It's a guy running around dressed up as a bat, saying things like, "To the Batmobile!". I think the "POW"s actually popped up onto the screen. I recognize that the Nolan movies are all serious and dark, but they're a recent development.

I suppose Affleck does have the chin for the role, so it's not like it's a total loss.

[Aptorian]

How... how old are you Una? The TV show with Adam West is from the 60s

Somewhere around the 70s-80s Batmans stories started to become more serious mainly because of Frank Millers "The Dark Knight Returns" and the Year One story line that sort of reboots Batmans origin.

The movie audience have grown accustomed to Nolan/Bale's Batman. He's the complete opposite side of the spectrum to the cartoons and the Adam West Batman. Super serious, downplaying the fantastic and super natural elements of the DC universe. Even in civilian clothes Bale's Batman gives off slight psycho vibes.

Basically, we have grown accustomed to Batman being an obsessive and spooky person.

The thing we are waiting to see is what Affleck does. Can he be menacing just looking at him? Is he capable of pulling off a fight scene? What kind of Batman will he be?

This post has been edited by Crustaceous Apt: 21 September 2013 - 07:06 AM

[polishgenius]

Crustaceous Apt, on 21 September 2013 - 07:03 AM, said:

Somewhere around the 70s-80s Batmans stories started to become more serious mainly because of Frank Millers "The Dark Knight Returns" and the Year One story line that sort of reboots Batmans origin.

And, importantly, almost all (if not actually all) the really classic comic Batman stories that people know and still read (r at least talk about - some of them had major impacts on the mythos without actually being that good) today come from that era or later. The Killing Joke, The Long Halloween, A Death in the Family, Knightfall, Arkham Asylum: A Haunted House on a Haunted Hill, No Man's Land...

Mind you the very first Batman strips were supposedly quite dark, noir-inspired, anyway, from what I've read about them, so it was more of a return to the roots than an entirely new development.


It doesn't always have to be as straightly 'realistic' as Nolan's verse, and I hope there's a bit more theatricality about Affleck's version, particularly once they get to his own films. But it should be pretty serious, nowadays - or at least Batman's character should be.

[Una]

Crustaceous Apt, on 21 September 2013 - 07:03 AM, said:

How... how old are you Una? The TV show with Adam West is from the 60s

Somewhere around the 70s-80s Batmans stories started to become more serious mainly because of Frank Millers "The Dark Knight Returns" and the Year One story line that sort of reboots Batmans origin.

I was an 80s child. I think the Adam West Batman show was on reruns in an after-school time slot. To me, when I think of Batman, the first thing to come to mind is still that show. And inside, I sing, "nana nana nana nana...BATMAN!"
I remember seeing the Tim Burton movies when I was little. I thought those were scary. But I saw them again when I was older and realized they were mostly scary because I was a kid, and a kid that was easy to scare, at that. The feel was more fantastical and fever-dreamy. But that's probably just a Tim Burton thing.

[Traveller]

I think Michael Keaton should get a bit of credit for steering Batman in the 'weirdo you can imagine dressing as a bat' direction.

[Satan]

I'm still waiting for someone to adapt Mignola's Doom That Came to Gotham to film. Best Batman story by far.

[Jakovasaurus]

Holy shit, there is rumor that Larry David will be cast to play Mister Mxyzptlk. That would be the bees knees!

[QuickTidal]

Jakovasaurus, on 09 October 2013 - 04:55 AM, said:

Holy shit, there is rumor that Larry David will be cast to play Mister Mxyzptlk. That would be the bees knees!

I would pay good money to NEVER have to watch something with Larry David in it ever again. That guy isn't remotely funny.

And yes, this includes Seinfeld, which has 3 funny episodes in its entire run.

And I'm aware I'm alone in that opinion, lol.

[Primateus]

I remember him from Seinfeld and while I did enjoy most of what I saw I agree with QT, Larry David just wasn't funny as an actor.

[McLovin]

QuickTidal, on 09 October 2013 - 12:38 PM, said:

Jakovasaurus, on 09 October 2013 - 04:55 AM, said:

Holy shit, there is rumor that Larry David will be cast to play Mister Mxyzptlk. That would be the bees knees!

I would pay good money to NEVER have to watch something with Larry David in it ever again. That guy isn't remotely funny.

And yes, this includes Seinfeld, which has 3 funny episodes in its entire run.

And I'm aware I'm alone in that opinion, lol.

I never liked Seinfeld either. Solidarity brother!