[Grasp]

Jalan, on 26 August 2013 - 06:57 PM, said:

Grasp, on 26 August 2013 - 06:55 PM, said:

Jalan, on 26 August 2013 - 06:52 PM, said:

Grasp, on 26 August 2013 - 06:38 PM, said:

re XP: Got it, didn't catch that in the first eighteen reads of the OP Thanks

Ultama, on 26 August 2013 - 06:34 PM, said:

Grasp, on 26 August 2013 - 06:21 PM, said:

addendum to the above: look at the Bank Robber knack

[3]

Ah right. If abilities like that exist for one, it's more than likely others have them as well. I doubt Lio is the bank robber though, because of the cheat cost involved. I really doubt half the cheat would be used on that action either.

[3]

That's why I think he might have something like a "Cost = Luck [4] -- Create a free Clubs/Diamonds/Spades/Hearts [3] die that lasts until the end of the day" ability that he could use to get the Shoot Out cantrip if he really wanted to. Bank Robber role description talks about the importance of location after all.



[3]

You're only allowed to use one die per ability, no more, no less. That's made very clear. So he HAS to have a Spades [6] die.


Liosan - though I thought it would be fun to screw with you re your inability to spell, I accept your challenge.


Now, do people not find him a little terrifying? He just wasted a Spades [6] die, and a bullet pip to get me to the same tile as him. This is presumably so he can hurt me during the Day phase, cause if he thinks I'm just gonna sit on the tile he's dragged me to, they've got another thing coming to them. Given this turnout, I'll reiterate that I'm willing to name whoever will lynch Liosan as Judge if I'm elected Mayor. In fact, I'd appreciate if you guys would just elect me mayor regardless and allow me to figure out who'll lynch Liosan. Let's not leave it until last minute people, so that we don't have a repeat of yesterday.



[2]

I don't know, maybe the ability is for a free [6] die then! Whatever! You get my point!

No, I don't find Liosan all that scary. Everyone has that cantrip after all. If you die before the end of day, then I'll find him scary

edit: [3]

I dunno about you, but I don't have random [6] dice laying around that I can waste on the more expensive Cantrips. Is there any information about what kind of spells each suit might be related to, if any? Like, is one suit for Summons, one for Hexes, one for something else, mostly, or is it just a mish mash?



[2]

I don't either, but I also don't get the sense that Lio is acting in the most rational way either. An ability like that would have to have a huge cost, but Lio might not care about that.

[3]

[Grasp]

Jalan, on 26 August 2013 - 06:52 PM, said:

Grasp, on 26 August 2013 - 06:38 PM, said:

re XP: Got it, didn't catch that in the first eighteen reads of the OP Thanks

Ultama, on 26 August 2013 - 06:34 PM, said:

Grasp, on 26 August 2013 - 06:21 PM, said:

addendum to the above: look at the Bank Robber knack

[3]

Ah right. If abilities like that exist for one, it's more than likely others have them as well. I doubt Lio is the bank robber though, because of the cheat cost involved. I really doubt half the cheat would be used on that action either.

[3]

That's why I think he might have something like a "Cost = Luck [4] -- Create a free Clubs/Diamonds/Spades/Hearts [3] die that lasts until the end of the day" ability that he could use to get the Shoot Out cantrip if he really wanted to. Bank Robber role description talks about the importance of location after all.



[3]

You're only allowed to use one die per ability, no more, no less. That's made very clear. So he HAS to have a Spades [6] die.


Liosan - though I thought it would be fun to screw with you re your inability to spell, I accept your challenge.


Now, do people not find him a little terrifying? He just wasted a Spades [6] die, and a bullet pip to get me to the same tile as him. This is presumably so he can hurt me during the Day phase, cause if he thinks I'm just gonna sit on the tile he's dragged me to, they've got another thing coming to them. Given this turnout, I'll reiterate that I'm willing to name whoever will lynch Liosan as Judge if I'm elected Mayor. In fact, I'd appreciate if you guys would just elect me mayor regardless and allow me to figure out who'll lynch Liosan. Let's not leave it until last minute people, so that we don't have a repeat of yesterday.



[2]

Liosan, on 26 August 2013 - 06:57 PM, said:

Excellent, scum sucker. If people feel compelled to make me mayor, I will choose judges that will lynch this asshole or bek.

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Jalan, on 26 August 2013 - 02:32 PM, said:

Grasp, on 26 August 2013 - 02:27 PM, said:

Jalan, on 26 August 2013 - 02:19 PM, said:

Grasp, on 26 August 2013 - 02:13 PM, said:

I'm back now and catching up. Haven't read the full thread yet, but I saw the start of day update. One thing to note is that the investment numbers could be indicative of what roles are in the game - so for example if the LaRua mormon house investment was only done by one player, it could only have been the Channeler since no one else has the 5-6-5-5 dice stats in the OP. same for the Aces who have 3 different investments so probably 3 different roles doing those 3 investments. The corporates same idea, though looks like only 2 players investments - obviously in every case there could be more players who didn't invest. In the university case it's harder to tell since there's only the one invested location, could be one player doing 5-5-5-5 or two players combining but I'd lean towards it being just one.

The LaRua getting mormom house so fast though makes me suspicious of the players who had lover comms yesterday - maybe two of them discovered they were both LaRua and worked together to get the mormon house investment so they would have longer off-thread comms (OP doesn't say the mormon house off-thread comms expires so I'm assuming it lasts all game).

As I read up I'm going to keep an eye on those players and see if any of them didn't vote, which would indicate they were already on the mormon house.

[3]

I hadn't even thought about the 'you can't vote while on Mormon House' tile ability when I was looking at that stuff, good catch! Wasn't there someone who was openly unwilling to vote on thread? Maybe we found a reason?

[2]

There was Bek Okhan, who quickly put himself down to a [0] die and AFAIKSF never made another die his 'active die' so he couldn't vote. Wonder if he was on mormon house and that was just so he'd have an excuse not to vote if it got to L-1.

That's what I was thinking. That being said, we can't depend on that as a good 'case' right now, given that we were nowhere near an election yesterday. I mean, I suppose it's as good as anything we have right now. I'm still a little iffy about Liosan, Merrid and Fanderay. I feel like all three acted pretty suspiciously yesterday.

I think we should get started on trying to choose a mayor sooner rather than later, too. Yesterday we left it until the 2nd half of the Day, and that really didn't work.

If I'm elected Mayor, I'll be making anyone who says they'll lynch Liosan, Fanderay or Merrid (with Liosan being my favourite of the three) the judge.

[2]

Summarizing Judge/Mayor intentions said aloud so far:


Jalan --> [judge] --> Liosan/Fanderay/Merrid (Lio the main choice)

Liosan --> [judge] --> Jalan/Bek Okhan

[mayor] --> Grasp --> Hanas and Bek Okhan (final)


edit: [3]

This post has been edited by Grasp: 26 August 2013 - 07:33 PM

[Jalan]

Grasp, on 26 August 2013 - 07:33 PM, said:

Jalan, on 26 August 2013 - 06:52 PM, said:

Grasp, on 26 August 2013 - 06:38 PM, said:

re XP: Got it, didn't catch that in the first eighteen reads of the OP Thanks

Ultama, on 26 August 2013 - 06:34 PM, said:

Grasp, on 26 August 2013 - 06:21 PM, said:

addendum to the above: look at the Bank Robber knack

[3]

Ah right. If abilities like that exist for one, it's more than likely others have them as well. I doubt Lio is the bank robber though, because of the cheat cost involved. I really doubt half the cheat would be used on that action either.

[3]

That's why I think he might have something like a "Cost = Luck [4] -- Create a free Clubs/Diamonds/Spades/Hearts [3] die that lasts until the end of the day" ability that he could use to get the Shoot Out cantrip if he really wanted to. Bank Robber role description talks about the importance of location after all.



[3]

You're only allowed to use one die per ability, no more, no less. That's made very clear. So he HAS to have a Spades [6] die.


Liosan - though I thought it would be fun to screw with you re your inability to spell, I accept your challenge.


Now, do people not find him a little terrifying? He just wasted a Spades [6] die, and a bullet pip to get me to the same tile as him. This is presumably so he can hurt me during the Day phase, cause if he thinks I'm just gonna sit on the tile he's dragged me to, they've got another thing coming to them. Given this turnout, I'll reiterate that I'm willing to name whoever will lynch Liosan as Judge if I'm elected Mayor. In fact, I'd appreciate if you guys would just elect me mayor regardless and allow me to figure out who'll lynch Liosan. Let's not leave it until last minute people, so that we don't have a repeat of yesterday.



[2]

Liosan, on 26 August 2013 - 06:57 PM, said:

Excellent, scum sucker. If people feel compelled to make me mayor, I will choose judges that will lynch this asshole or bek.

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Jalan, on 26 August 2013 - 02:32 PM, said:

Grasp, on 26 August 2013 - 02:27 PM, said:

Jalan, on 26 August 2013 - 02:19 PM, said:

Grasp, on 26 August 2013 - 02:13 PM, said:

I'm back now and catching up. Haven't read the full thread yet, but I saw the start of day update. One thing to note is that the investment numbers could be indicative of what roles are in the game - so for example if the LaRua mormon house investment was only done by one player, it could only have been the Channeler since no one else has the 5-6-5-5 dice stats in the OP. same for the Aces who have 3 different investments so probably 3 different roles doing those 3 investments. The corporates same idea, though looks like only 2 players investments - obviously in every case there could be more players who didn't invest. In the university case it's harder to tell since there's only the one invested location, could be one player doing 5-5-5-5 or two players combining but I'd lean towards it being just one.

The LaRua getting mormom house so fast though makes me suspicious of the players who had lover comms yesterday - maybe two of them discovered they were both LaRua and worked together to get the mormon house investment so they would have longer off-thread comms (OP doesn't say the mormon house off-thread comms expires so I'm assuming it lasts all game).

As I read up I'm going to keep an eye on those players and see if any of them didn't vote, which would indicate they were already on the mormon house.

[3]

I hadn't even thought about the 'you can't vote while on Mormon House' tile ability when I was looking at that stuff, good catch! Wasn't there someone who was openly unwilling to vote on thread? Maybe we found a reason?

[2]

There was Bek Okhan, who quickly put himself down to a [0] die and AFAIKSF never made another die his 'active die' so he couldn't vote. Wonder if he was on mormon house and that was just so he'd have an excuse not to vote if it got to L-1.

That's what I was thinking. That being said, we can't depend on that as a good 'case' right now, given that we were nowhere near an election yesterday. I mean, I suppose it's as good as anything we have right now. I'm still a little iffy about Liosan, Merrid and Fanderay. I feel like all three acted pretty suspiciously yesterday.

I think we should get started on trying to choose a mayor sooner rather than later, too. Yesterday we left it until the 2nd half of the Day, and that really didn't work.

If I'm elected Mayor, I'll be making anyone who says they'll lynch Liosan, Fanderay or Merrid (with Liosan being my favourite of the three) the judge.

[2]

Summarizing Judge/Mayor intentions said aloud so far:


Jalan --> [judge] --> Liosan/Fanderay/Merrid (Lio the main choice)

Liosan --> [judge] --> Jalan/Bek Okhan

[mayor] --> Grasp --> Hanas and Bek Okhan (final)


edit: [3]

I suppose I should make it clear that if I'm chosen as Judge, my choices for lynch are Liosan and Fanderay or Merrid (though I'd be willing to consider a Bek Okhan lynch too, but I'll have to look a little more closely at his posts for the last couple of days before I change my mind).


[2]

[Barghast]

Jalan, on 26 August 2013 - 07:21 PM, said:

Ultama, on 26 August 2013 - 07:03 PM, said:

As per the OP:

Quote

Clubs represent force and natural force, as well as challenge. Most Wagers in Role PMs require a Clubs die to start it, and roles that centre around combat magic (throwing fireballs, electricity or gravity around) centre on Clubs.
Diamonds represent metal, money and resistance and are therefore often used for Items, protective abilities and money making abilities.
Hearts represent biological growth as well as courage: both scientists brewing gene mutations in laboratories as well as healers of mind and spirit work with Hearts.
Finally, Spades stand for death, and both necromancers and murderers have an affinity with this suit.

Anyway, I'm out for now.

[3]

So if Liosan has a Spades [6] dice to throw away, it stands to reason he's a necromancer of some sort, or a murderer of some sort. Frankly, I'd rather have neither of those types of roles in play, specially if one of them is a Necromancer.



[2]

In terms of potential die combinations there are

• 6 roles with a Spades [6]
• 12 roles with a Spades [5] + Cheat [1]
• 12 roles with a [Spades [4] + Cheat [2]
• 13 roles with a Spades [3] + Cheat [3]
• 14 roles with a Spades [2] + Cheat [4]
• 10 roles with a Spades [1] + Cheat [5]
• 8 roles with a Spades [0] + Cheat [6]

Based soley on that single cantrip use* pretty much the only role Liosan can NOT be is the Alchembiomist.

To go claiming is he anything scary on the basis he pulled out a Spades [6] is willful ignorance - almost every player could do the same. Are we all Necromancer/Murderers and should all therefore die based soley on potentially being able to pull off that cantrip?


*You have, of course, narrowed down the roles he could be by another 3 by other observations, haven't you? Oh, you haven't? Well, try it.

[1]

[Grasp]

Barghast, on 26 August 2013 - 07:41 PM, said:

In terms of potential die combinations there are

• 6 roles with a Spades [6]
• 12 roles with a Spades [5] + Cheat [1]
• 12 roles with a [Spades [4] + Cheat [2]
• 13 roles with a Spades [3] + Cheat [3]
• 14 roles with a Spades [2] + Cheat [4]
• 10 roles with a Spades [1] + Cheat [5]
• 8 roles with a Spades [0] + Cheat [6]

Based soley on that single cantrip use* pretty much the only role Liosan can NOT be is the Alchembiomist.

To go claiming is he anything scary on the basis he pulled out a Spades [6] is willful ignorance - almost every player could do the same. Are we all Necromancer/Murderers and should all therefore die based soley on potentially being able to pull off that cantrip?


*You have, of course, narrowed down the roles he could be by another 3 by other observations, haven't you? Oh, you haven't? Well, try it.

[1]

re the * - you mean by max bullets compared to the amount he put on thread?


It still all seems pretty moot to me, he could easily have some ability that makes up for it. Doesn't have to even be a "get a free [6] die" ability (which I agree sounds strong) but instead could be something like "swap an unused Luck die with an unused Spades die for this phase" which would be less powerful since it doesn't create anything new for him, just lets him tweak his active dice a bit (and the ability itself would cost a bullet and another die or more). Obviously Luck/Spades is just an example, could be different dice that he trades it with, like Aim or Clubs.

In any case, since everyone has about a dozen abiltiies+items, there's a lot of different ways Lio could have become able to do that Cantrip without having a ton of Spades in his starting stats. For now, this doesn't worry me. If and when Jalan gets killed in the very near future, or even if Jalan claims terrible non-lethal things happening, then it will worry me because that will be indicative that Liosan has enough muscle to both do that Cantrip AND deal some hurt to the player. If all Lio manages to accomplish is keeping Jalan stuck on Dead Dude's Diddly Deed or whatever it is called, that doesn't really make me panic.

[3]

[Barghast]

Grasp, on 26 August 2013 - 07:53 PM, said:

Barghast, on 26 August 2013 - 07:41 PM, said:

In terms of potential die combinations there are

• 6 roles with a Spades [6]
• 12 roles with a Spades [5] + Cheat [1]
• 12 roles with a [Spades [4] + Cheat [2]
• 13 roles with a Spades [3] + Cheat [3]
• 14 roles with a Spades [2] + Cheat [4]
• 10 roles with a Spades [1] + Cheat [5]
• 8 roles with a Spades [0] + Cheat [6]

Based soley on that single cantrip use* pretty much the only role Liosan can NOT be is the Alchembiomist.

To go claiming is he anything scary on the basis he pulled out a Spades [6] is willful ignorance - almost every player could do the same. Are we all Necromancer/Murderers and should all therefore die based soley on potentially being able to pull off that cantrip?


*You have, of course, narrowed down the roles he could be by another 3 by other observations, haven't you? Oh, you haven't? Well, try it.

[1]

re the * - you mean by max bullets compared to the amount he put on thread?


It still all seems pretty moot to me, he could easily have some ability that makes up for it. Doesn't have to even be a "get a free [6] die" ability (which I agree sounds strong) but instead could be something like "swap an unused Luck die with an unused Spades die for this phase" which would be less powerful since it doesn't create anything new for him, just lets him tweak his active dice a bit (and the ability itself would cost a bullet and another die or more). Obviously Luck/Spades is just an example, could be different dice that he trades it with, like Aim or Clubs.

In any case, since everyone has about a dozen abiltiies+items, there's a lot of different ways Lio could have become able to do that Cantrip without having a ton of Spades in his starting stats. For now, this doesn't worry me. If and when Jalan gets killed in the very near future, or even if Jalan claims terrible non-lethal things happening, then it will worry me because that will be indicative that Liosan has enough muscle to both do that Cantrip AND deal some hurt to the player. If all Lio manages to accomplish is keeping Jalan stuck on Dead Dude's Diddly Deed or whatever it is called, that doesn't really make me panic.

[3]

Yeah, [5] bullets ruled him out for some roles immediately. What I also found quite interesting were the alts who had bullets left in the Night phase.

Agreed it is moot and will be till we see SH - there are too many variables and potential combinations, I'm just working with what we can see. As for dealing hurt, he's still got minimum 4 bullets for use, that's going to allow a reasonable number of attacks if Liosan is so obliged. Of course Jalan needs to accept first.

My other thought was that this could be a good potential tactic for investing - Liosan puts money down on one location, has a shoot out elsewhere, puts down cards there too.

[1]

[Jalan]

Barghast, on 26 August 2013 - 07:41 PM, said:

Jalan, on 26 August 2013 - 07:21 PM, said:

Ultama, on 26 August 2013 - 07:03 PM, said:

As per the OP:

Quote

Clubs represent force and natural force, as well as challenge. Most Wagers in Role PMs require a Clubs die to start it, and roles that centre around combat magic (throwing fireballs, electricity or gravity around) centre on Clubs.
Diamonds represent metal, money and resistance and are therefore often used for Items, protective abilities and money making abilities.
Hearts represent biological growth as well as courage: both scientists brewing gene mutations in laboratories as well as healers of mind and spirit work with Hearts.
Finally, Spades stand for death, and both necromancers and murderers have an affinity with this suit.

Anyway, I'm out for now.

[3]

So if Liosan has a Spades [6] dice to throw away, it stands to reason he's a necromancer of some sort, or a murderer of some sort. Frankly, I'd rather have neither of those types of roles in play, specially if one of them is a Necromancer.



[2]

In terms of potential die combinations there are

• 6 roles with a Spades [6]
• 12 roles with a Spades [5] + Cheat [1]
• 12 roles with a [Spades [4] + Cheat [2]
• 13 roles with a Spades [3] + Cheat [3]
• 14 roles with a Spades [2] + Cheat [4]
• 10 roles with a Spades [1] + Cheat [5]
• 8 roles with a Spades [0] + Cheat [6]

Based soley on that single cantrip use* pretty much the only role Liosan can NOT be is the Alchembiomist.

To go claiming is he anything scary on the basis he pulled out a Spades [6] is willful ignorance - almost every player could do the same. Are we all Necromancer/Murderers and should all therefore die based soley on potentially being able to pull off that cantrip?


*You have, of course, narrowed down the roles he could be by another 3 by other observations, haven't you? Oh, you haven't? Well, try it.

[1]

I am basing my opinion on the fact that Liosan obviously has to have some sort of ability to do something to me now that he's dragged me to his tile. It has to be a Day action, because there's no guarantee that I will be sitting on that tile after the next movement phase. That means that he has to have not just the Spades [6] die (or a combination using Cheat dice), but that he also has to then have a number of extra magic dice that will allow him to actually hurt me during the Day phase, before I can move away, otherwise he has wasted a Spade [6] for nothing.


Obviously I'm a little tunnel-visioned on this, he's trying to kill me, outright. I think of everything that's been presented on thread so far, i.e. the Merrid/Fanderay connection, the Liosan possibly pretending he doesn't want to be Mayor so we'll elect him then spending Spades willy-nilly to pull me to his tile so he can try to kill me, the Bek Okhan potentially not voting cause he's the LaRua on Mormon's House being the first ones to come to mind, I still think that Liosan was the better, more likely case.



Anyway, it's not like anyone else is really providing any other arguments on thread. Everyone's just seeming happy to let me go off on my Liosan rant, while they sit back and let the thread move in exactly the same direction it went in yesterday. The big problem with Day 1 was that there was NO information on thread before the Rien ne va plus mark. Considering all our Judge and Lynch choices need to be in BEFORE that point, I think sitting here and not discussing potential mayors and judges, thus giving us the ability to modify our choices if necessary (like, I know I want to lynch Liosan if I'm elected Judge, but my 2nd lynch choice is still pretty up in the air). But hey, if you guys wanna just sit around and do nothing, well, all I can do is call you out on it. Is that really how we're going to play this game?



[2]

[Jalan]

Grasp, on 26 August 2013 - 07:53 PM, said:

re the * - you mean by max bullets compared to the amount he put on thread?


It still all seems pretty moot to me, he could easily have some ability that makes up for it. Doesn't have to even be a "get a free [6] die" ability (which I agree sounds strong) but instead could be something like "swap an unused Luck die with an unused Spades die for this phase" which would be less powerful since it doesn't create anything new for him, just lets him tweak his active dice a bit (and the ability itself would cost a bullet and another die or more). Obviously Luck/Spades is just an example, could be different dice that he trades it with, like Aim or Clubs.

In any case, since everyone has about a dozen abiltiies+items, there's a lot of different ways Lio could have become able to do that Cantrip without having a ton of Spades in his starting stats. For now, this doesn't worry me. If and when Jalan gets killed in the very near future, or even if Jalan claims terrible non-lethal things happening, then it will worry me because that will be indicative that Liosan has enough muscle to both do that Cantrip AND deal some hurt to the player. If all Lio manages to accomplish is keeping Jalan stuck on Dead Dude's Diddly Deed or whatever it is called, that doesn't really make me panic.

[3]

Do you guys really think that I would have accepted his challenge if I didn't have enough protection to keep me alive? I'm doing it on the off chance that I can kill him while he tries to kill me. I don't think I'll manage, but I'm going to damn well try.



Is everyone really just gonna play a reactive game? The way things are going, the first person to actually become a Judge is gonna have enough power to destroy half the fucking thread.


[2]

[Meanas]

Jalan, on 26 August 2013 - 08:05 PM, said:

Barghast, on 26 August 2013 - 07:41 PM, said:

Jalan, on 26 August 2013 - 07:21 PM, said:

Ultama, on 26 August 2013 - 07:03 PM, said:

As per the OP:

Quote

Clubs represent force and natural force, as well as challenge. Most Wagers in Role PMs require a Clubs die to start it, and roles that centre around combat magic (throwing fireballs, electricity or gravity around) centre on Clubs.
Diamonds represent metal, money and resistance and are therefore often used for Items, protective abilities and money making abilities.
Hearts represent biological growth as well as courage: both scientists brewing gene mutations in laboratories as well as healers of mind and spirit work with Hearts.
Finally, Spades stand for death, and both necromancers and murderers have an affinity with this suit.

Anyway, I'm out for now.

[3]

So if Liosan has a Spades [6] dice to throw away, it stands to reason he's a necromancer of some sort, or a murderer of some sort. Frankly, I'd rather have neither of those types of roles in play, specially if one of them is a Necromancer.



[2]

In terms of potential die combinations there are

• 6 roles with a Spades [6]
• 12 roles with a Spades [5] + Cheat [1]
• 12 roles with a [Spades [4] + Cheat [2]
• 13 roles with a Spades [3] + Cheat [3]
• 14 roles with a Spades [2] + Cheat [4]
• 10 roles with a Spades [1] + Cheat [5]
• 8 roles with a Spades [0] + Cheat [6]

Based soley on that single cantrip use* pretty much the only role Liosan can NOT be is the Alchembiomist.

To go claiming is he anything scary on the basis he pulled out a Spades [6] is willful ignorance - almost every player could do the same. Are we all Necromancer/Murderers and should all therefore die based soley on potentially being able to pull off that cantrip?


*You have, of course, narrowed down the roles he could be by another 3 by other observations, haven't you? Oh, you haven't? Well, try it.

[1]

I am basing my opinion on the fact that Liosan obviously has to have some sort of ability to do something to me now that he's dragged me to his tile. It has to be a Day action, because there's no guarantee that I will be sitting on that tile after the next movement phase. That means that he has to have not just the Spades [6] die (or a combination using Cheat dice), but that he also has to then have a number of extra magic dice that will allow him to actually hurt me during the Day phase, before I can move away, otherwise he has wasted a Spade [6] for nothing.


Obviously I'm a little tunnel-visioned on this, he's trying to kill me, outright. I think of everything that's been presented on thread so far, i.e. the Merrid/Fanderay connection, the Liosan possibly pretending he doesn't want to be Mayor so we'll elect him then spending Spades willy-nilly to pull me to his tile so he can try to kill me, the Bek Okhan potentially not voting cause he's the LaRua on Mormon's House being the first ones to come to mind, I still think that Liosan was the better, more likely case.



Anyway, it's not like anyone else is really providing any other arguments on thread. Everyone's just seeming happy to let me go off on my Liosan rant, while they sit back and let the thread move in exactly the same direction it went in yesterday. The big problem with Day 1 was that there was NO information on thread before the Rien ne va plus mark. Considering all our Judge and Lynch choices need to be in BEFORE that point, I think sitting here and not discussing potential mayors and judges, thus giving us the ability to modify our choices if necessary (like, I know I want to lynch Liosan if I'm elected Judge, but my 2nd lynch choice is still pretty up in the air). But hey, if you guys wanna just sit around and do nothing, well, all I can do is call you out on it. Is that really how we're going to play this game?



[2]

All good points. Problem is, faction game. I'm unsure if Lio's on my team or not. Lynching him could be a major mistake for me.

[2]

[Grasp]

Meanas, on 26 August 2013 - 08:08 PM, said:

All good points. Problem is, faction game. I'm unsure if Lio's on my team or not. Lynching him could be a major mistake for me.

[2]

True, but difference between this and, say, ToD, is that a portion of all the role PMs was given. So this means that at the very least you are in a faction where you believe that Lio could be one of the other role PMs listed.

(goes to read OP role PMs list again )

[3]

[Jalan]

Grasp, on 26 August 2013 - 08:10 PM, said:

Meanas, on 26 August 2013 - 08:08 PM, said:

All good points. Problem is, faction game. I'm unsure if Lio's on my team or not. Lynching him could be a major mistake for me.

[2]

True, but difference between this and, say, ToD, is that a portion of all the role PMs was given. So this means that at the very least you are in a faction where you believe that Lio could be one of the other role PMs listed.

(goes to read OP role PMs list again )

[3]

Yeah, good luck with that. I'm reasonably certain that Lio is not in my faction. I could be fucking up, but I don't think I am. That being said, who knows if he's part of the factions that I have to kill off for my VCs, I don't really care, as long as he's not in mine.


[2]

[Liosan]

Just a quick rebuttal before I get back to work: barghast has a very good and logical head on his shoulders. And why do people assume it is me instead of Jalan that is the threat. If nothing happens to him (unless you agree he needs a lynch) consider that what I'm doing is more protective than aggressive.

Bullets(4)

[Jalan]

Liosan, on 26 August 2013 - 08:17 PM, said:

Just a quick rebuttal before I get back to work: barghast has a very good and logical head on his shoulders. And why do people assume it is me instead of Jalan that is the threat. If nothing happens to him (unless you agree he needs a lynch) consider that what I'm doing is more protective than aggressive.

Bullets(4)

Explain, please, how dragging me to a tile for a Shoot Out is a 'protective' move? There's nothing protective about a Shoot Out.


[2]

[Denul]

Jalan, on 26 August 2013 - 08:23 PM, said:

Liosan, on 26 August 2013 - 08:17 PM, said:

Just a quick rebuttal before I get back to work: barghast has a very good and logical head on his shoulders. And why do people assume it is me instead of Jalan that is the threat. If nothing happens to him (unless you agree he needs a lynch) consider that what I'm doing is more protective than aggressive.

Bullets(4)

Explain, please, how dragging me to a tile for a Shoot Out is a 'protective' move? There's nothing protective about a Shoot Out.


[2]

Unless he is, in fact, the Bank Robber and will keep you on one tile, and away from others, until he moves.

[0]

[Meanas]

Grasp, on 26 August 2013 - 08:10 PM, said:

Meanas, on 26 August 2013 - 08:08 PM, said:

All good points. Problem is, faction game. I'm unsure if Lio's on my team or not. Lynching him could be a major mistake for me.

[2]

True, but difference between this and, say, ToD, is that a portion of all the role PMs was given. So this means that at the very least you are in a faction where you believe that Lio could be one of the other role PMs listed.

(goes to read OP role PMs list again )

[3]

errr... ok. Then give me 5 hours to get off work, go home, read the role descriptions again.... then maybe I'll get back to you.

[2]

[Merrid]

I've just got back from a long weekend holiday away. Who would like to help me get up to speed and maybe exchange some info in return? Meanas? Denul? Jalan? Liosan? Friendship anyone? Everybody seems to be getting a piece of off-thread comms from my paranoid viewpoint, so why not me?


[5]

[Barghast]

Merrid, on 26 August 2013 - 08:33 PM, said:

I've just got back from a long weekend holiday away. Who would like to help me get up to speed and maybe exchange some info in return? Meanas? Denul? Jalan? Liosan? Friendship anyone? Everybody seems to be getting a piece of off-thread comms from my paranoid viewpoint, so why not me?


[5]

Pop back to #551 for my summary of investments and the roles behind them, Liosan and Jalan are going to be poking eachother all night and I've got a lover convo with Denul, once it gets set up - question for you, PS set up your convo or did Bek do it?

I would say convo me but I think that'd be being a bit greedy, spread the love.

[1]

[Merrid]

Barghast, on 26 August 2013 - 08:41 PM, said:

Merrid, on 26 August 2013 - 08:33 PM, said:

I've just got back from a long weekend holiday away. Who would like to help me get up to speed and maybe exchange some info in return? Meanas? Denul? Jalan? Liosan? Friendship anyone? Everybody seems to be getting a piece of off-thread comms from my paranoid viewpoint, so why not me?


[5]

Pop back to #551 for my summary of investments and the roles behind them, Liosan and Jalan are going to be poking eachother all night and I've got a lover convo with Denul, once it gets set up - question for you, PS set up your convo or did Bek do it?

I would say convo me but I think that'd be being a bit greedy, spread the love.

[1]

I've never had a convo with Bek - I think you're thinking of Fanderay/Demelain. So I don't know how it works I'm afraid.

[5]

[Barghast]

Merrid, on 26 August 2013 - 08:43 PM, said:

Barghast, on 26 August 2013 - 08:41 PM, said:

Merrid, on 26 August 2013 - 08:33 PM, said:

I've just got back from a long weekend holiday away. Who would like to help me get up to speed and maybe exchange some info in return? Meanas? Denul? Jalan? Liosan? Friendship anyone? Everybody seems to be getting a piece of off-thread comms from my paranoid viewpoint, so why not me?


[5]

Pop back to #551 for my summary of investments and the roles behind them, Liosan and Jalan are going to be poking eachother all night and I've got a lover convo with Denul, once it gets set up - question for you, PS set up your convo or did Bek do it?

I would say convo me but I think that'd be being a bit greedy, spread the love.

[1]

I've never had a convo with Bek - I think you're thinking of Fanderay/Demelain. So I don't know how it works I'm afraid.

[5]

Note to self: Read who is posting. Then read it again and double-check with your notes.

[1]

[Grasp]

Merrid, on 26 August 2013 - 08:33 PM, said:

I've just got back from a long weekend holiday away. Who would like to help me get up to speed and maybe exchange some info in return? Meanas? Denul? Jalan? Liosan? Friendship anyone? Everybody seems to be getting a piece of off-thread comms from my paranoid viewpoint, so why not me?


[5]

If you want to friend me, I won't be a shy little flower who abstains from saying anything

But the short of it is:

emur modkilled (no CF)
Anthras was an Aces summon and died
LaRua took over the Mormon house
lots of other investments
Lio did a Shoot Out on Jalan forcing them both to Dead Dan's Deed


I think that's all the major stuff so far. We are in a timer-frozen time until the UK bank holiday ends tomorrow.

edit: [3]

This post has been edited by Grasp: 26 August 2013 - 08:48 PM