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104 - Warring States Mafia 4 - Fujiwari Expansion Sengoku Series

#1081 User is offline   Trake 

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Posted 08 August 2013 - 12:29 AM

 Tellan, on 07 August 2013 - 11:59 PM, said:

 Trake, on 07 August 2013 - 11:27 PM, said:

Alright, so I looked at Korbas first. He's actually really hard to come to a conclusion on. On the one hand he has been throwing out a lot of game meta comments and asking a lot of questions about people. Most of his direct interactions were with Rashan though. He was very much in favor of a Barghast lynch day 1 but hasn't even mentioned him since then. He was around for the vote clusterfuck on Friday morning and his posting has pretty much petered out since then. All in all very difficult for me to make a decision on. My gut tells me he's right in the scum sweet spot, but to read him he just sounds so townish. I ask someone else to take a look and hopefully we will be able to compare notes. Going to look at Eloth next.


I just took a look, and he seems pretty townish to me too. He seemed early on to be very involved and willing to discuss, and most of his posts reflect that, but as we get more and more recent his posts don't just peter out in amount, but he posts less and less content. But that could be explained by the connection issues he mentioned multiple times earlier in the game.


At this point in the game I don't trust anyone's RL excuses. Its D-Day, we can't rule anything out. And I'm fully aware that applies to me as well.

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Posted 08 August 2013 - 01:00 AM

Regarding Mockra, he's significantly altered his playstyle since I first voted him. He has gone from making almost no contribution at all to trying to point fingers in every direction simultaneously. To me that remarkable shift is the most scummy thing I've seen on thread all game. Like a snake startled before it was ready to emerge from its hiding place.

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Posted 08 August 2013 - 01:01 AM

I'm going to go and try and get some chores done but as usual my nose will be poking into the thread. I'm willing to throw a vote back on Gait as readily as on Mockra, but I personally feel Mockra to be the better target for this lynch.

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Posted 08 August 2013 - 01:09 AM

 Trake, on 08 August 2013 - 01:01 AM, said:

I'm going to go and try and get some chores done but as usual my nose will be poking into the thread. I'm willing to throw a vote back on Gait as readily as on Mockra, but I personally feel Mockra to be the better target for this lynch.



The problem I have with voting Mockra is the fact that i understand about 1 in 4 sentences of what he's been writing recently. He's jumpy, but when Gait is jumping I'm reading a cold intent behind those jumps. Whereas Mockra seems genuinely confused, not paying enough attention, and throwing all kinds of crap out there. a vote on him would be a waste imo

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Posted 08 August 2013 - 01:10 AM

 Trake, on 07 August 2013 - 11:56 PM, said:

Also, Alkend is now 28.5 hours from his last post. With Rash all but confirming him town it would suck ass if he let himself get modkilled just because he can't be arsed to get over his useless role and fucking play.



he's the only one here I moderately trust. If he gets modslain, I'm not holding out much hope for town.

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Posted 08 August 2013 - 01:31 AM

 Trake, on 08 August 2013 - 01:00 AM, said:

Regarding Mockra, he's significantly altered his playstyle since I first voted him. He has gone from making almost no contribution at all to trying to point fingers in every direction simultaneously. To me that remarkable shift is the most scummy thing I've seen on thread all game. Like a snake startled before it was ready to emerge from its hiding place.

remove vote
vote Mockra



I could get behind a Mockra lynch, if only because he has stayed out of the limelight and was on no one's real radar until now. I like this lynch better than the gait alternative if you guys won't see past the Barghast bullshit and vote him off. The only reason I hesitate on a gait lynch is that Barghast has been pushing him as his second choice and others have agreed. I don't like that much agreement, it usually leads to a town lynch.

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Posted 08 August 2013 - 01:35 AM

 Eloth, on 08 August 2013 - 01:31 AM, said:

 Trake, on 08 August 2013 - 01:00 AM, said:

Regarding Mockra, he's significantly altered his playstyle since I first voted him. He has gone from making almost no contribution at all to trying to point fingers in every direction simultaneously. To me that remarkable shift is the most scummy thing I've seen on thread all game. Like a snake startled before it was ready to emerge from its hiding place.

remove vote
vote Mockra



I could get behind a Mockra lynch, if only because he has stayed out of the limelight and was on no one's real radar until now. I like this lynch better than the gait alternative if you guys won't see past the Barghast bullshit and vote him off. The only reason I hesitate on a gait lynch is that Barghast has been pushing him as his second choice and others have agreed. I don't like that much agreement, it usually leads to a town lynch.


I'm yet to hear what bullshit is that.

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Posted 08 August 2013 - 02:05 AM

Eloth, several days ago you said you had suspicions of Tellan. What's changed?

 Eloth, on 01 August 2013 - 06:35 PM, said:

Checking in. Read up on thread. Still away from home so an doing this from phone.

I believe the Alkend reveal. But I can see how he makes a huge distraction on thread. I won't vote him unless he's the lonly choice for the day as he is a distraction. So even if he is town, there is some benefit to his lynch.

I really don't like the play of Jalen. He is playing and posting like scum. Occasionally checking in. Never making waves, nothing controversial.

vote Jalen

There are a few others I don't like. Namely Tellan. But I have even less on him, and no time to research, so it'll have to wait till I get back Monday.

I find myself trusting barghy, and okaros. I find myself thinking along similar lines as them and so am inclined to trust them... For now.

Ok, back to the grinder. I'll try to check in tomorrow.


In terms of the case on Tellan, I think a lot of it could be down to play style, but the indecision is somewhat telling this far into the game. Also interesting is Tellan's assertion that he votes only when he wants someone lynched, rather than to kick of conversation or apply pressure.

Eloth has also been far more aggressive this day than the previous days, which is ringing alarm bells for me. Prior to today, all his contribution was voting based on gut.

I'd like to know how Mockra has attached Barghast, Trake and Gait. He says he thinks the interaction is staged, but provides no evidence for why that might have happened, or why he thinks it's staged. In saying that, after Mockra's post connecting them, Barghast has said in separate posts that he finds both Trake and Gait scummy, but not enough to vote on, which looks seriously like distancing to me. What I'm having trouble with is Gait's PI-ing of people. It seems strange to do that as scum, because it tends to draw attention to the person doing the PI-ing, but it could also be true that he is making false connections in case he gets lynched. It is certainly true that scum are the group who have the most information about who is innocent.

In my own defence, this has been a busy week for me, and I've been restricted to playing from my phone. Plus, the lack of participation has been disheartening. Looks like the technical issues have been sorted now though, so I should be able to post more fully once I get home. I've made a start on re-reading and taking notes, but I don't know if I will be able to finish them, if today is indeed D-day.

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Posted 08 August 2013 - 02:09 AM

 Korbas, on 08 August 2013 - 02:05 AM, said:

Eloth, several days ago you said you had suspicions of Tellan. What's changed?

 Eloth, on 01 August 2013 - 06:35 PM, said:

Checking in. Read up on thread. Still away from home so an doing this from phone.

I believe the Alkend reveal. But I can see how he makes a huge distraction on thread. I won't vote him unless he's the lonly choice for the day as he is a distraction. So even if he is town, there is some benefit to his lynch.

I really don't like the play of Jalen. He is playing and posting like scum. Occasionally checking in. Never making waves, nothing controversial.

vote Jalen

There are a few others I don't like. Namely Tellan. But I have even less on him, and no time to research, so it'll have to wait till I get back Monday.

I find myself trusting barghy, and okaros. I find myself thinking along similar lines as them and so am inclined to trust them... For now.

Ok, back to the grinder. I'll try to check in tomorrow.


In terms of the case on Tellan, I think a lot of it could be down to play style, but the indecision is somewhat telling this far into the game. Also interesting is Tellan's assertion that he votes only when he wants someone lynched, rather than to kick of conversation or apply pressure.

Eloth has also been far more aggressive this day than the previous days, which is ringing alarm bells for me. Prior to today, all his contribution was voting based on gut.

I'd like to know how Mockra has attached Barghast, Trake and Gait. He says he thinks the interaction is staged, but provides no evidence for why that might have happened, or why he thinks it's staged. In saying that, after Mockra's post connecting them, Barghast has said in separate posts that he finds both Trake and Gait scummy, but not enough to vote on, which looks seriously like distancing to me. What I'm having trouble with is Gait's PI-ing of people. It seems strange to do that as scum, because it tends to draw attention to the person doing the PI-ing, but it could also be true that he is making false connections in case he gets lynched. It is certainly true that scum are the group who have the most information about who is innocent.

In my own defence, this has been a busy week for me, and I've been restricted to playing from my phone. Plus, the lack of participation has been disheartening. Looks like the technical issues have been sorted now though, so I should be able to post more fully once I get home. I've made a start on re-reading and taking notes, but I don't know if I will be able to finish them, if today is indeed D-day.


Right on schedule....

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Posted 08 August 2013 - 02:10 AM

 Korbas, on 08 August 2013 - 02:05 AM, said:

Eloth, several days ago you said you had suspicions of Tellan. What's changed?

 Eloth, on 01 August 2013 - 06:35 PM, said:

Checking in. Read up on thread. Still away from home so an doing this from phone.

I believe the Alkend reveal. But I can see how he makes a huge distraction on thread. I won't vote him unless he's the lonly choice for the day as he is a distraction. So even if he is town, there is some benefit to his lynch.

I really don't like the play of Jalen. He is playing and posting like scum. Occasionally checking in. Never making waves, nothing controversial.

vote Jalen

There are a few others I don't like. Namely Tellan. But I have even less on him, and no time to research, so it'll have to wait till I get back Monday.

I find myself trusting barghy, and okaros. I find myself thinking along similar lines as them and so am inclined to trust them... For now.

Ok, back to the grinder. I'll try to check in tomorrow.


In terms of the case on Tellan, I think a lot of it could be down to play style, but the indecision is somewhat telling this far into the game. Also interesting is Tellan's assertion that he votes only when he wants someone lynched, rather than to kick of conversation or apply pressure.

Eloth has also been far more aggressive this day than the previous days, which is ringing alarm bells for me. Prior to today, all his contribution was voting based on gut.

I'd like to know how Mockra has attached Barghast, Trake and Gait. He says he thinks the interaction is staged, but provides no evidence for why that might have happened, or why he thinks it's staged. In saying that, after Mockra's post connecting them, Barghast has said in separate posts that he finds both Trake and Gait scummy, but not enough to vote on, which looks seriously like distancing to me. What I'm having trouble with is Gait's PI-ing of people. It seems strange to do that as scum, because it tends to draw attention to the person doing the PI-ing, but it could also be true that he is making false connections in case he gets lynched. It is certainly true that scum are the group who have the most information about who is innocent.

In my own defence, this has been a busy week for me, and I've been restricted to playing from my phone. Plus, the lack of participation has been disheartening. Looks like the technical issues have been sorted now though, so I should be able to post more fully once I get home. I've made a start on re-reading and taking notes, but I don't know if I will be able to finish them, if today is indeed D-day.



MY

FUCKING

GOD


WHERE THE FUCK HAVE I EVER SAID I FIND TRAKE SCUMMY?


seriously, people. Reading comprehension. I cannot stress enough how important it is in the game of mafia.

if you only read what you think people are saying, you're hopeless.


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Posted 08 August 2013 - 02:15 AM

yes, I am going to quote my own post. because apparently no one else can read.

or draw conclusions from reading.

post 920.

Emphasis added now.

 Barghast, on 06 August 2013 - 07:31 PM, said:

 Korbas, on 06 August 2013 - 06:58 PM, said:

Presumably Rashan was mood-killed either because he requested it, or because he wasn't playing in the interests of his team. It's disappointing that people seem to feel they can drop out just because the game isn't going their way. I've seen it un a number of games this year, and it sucks.

Barghast, I think the player summaries that irritated you were Tellan's.


Tellan, indeed. Though I notice he DOES actually use quotes. just not in quoteboxes. He's been making my gut hurt half the game, but I'm not sure I want to vote him after a more throrugh re-read of the weekend.

Trake's style is similar to my own, which tells me exactly nothing. Korbas sounds reasonable. Eloth and Okaros I have no handle on. Galain was calling me out on some shit, but I'll wait for proper questions before I adress that. This leaves me with Mockra, for his goddamn summaries, Jalan for low-posing and jumping, and Antras, i'm not sure quite why. I recall thinking he needed watching before the weekend, but everyhting else is a bit of a blur.


now. please. can people get over whatever they thought up in their heads and focus on the actual facts?

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Posted 08 August 2013 - 02:18 AM

It is Day 7. 14 hours and 33 minutes remaining
10 Players still alive: Alkend, Barghast, Eloth, Gait, Galain, Korbas, Mockra, Okaros, Tellan, Trake

6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Mockra ( Trake )
1 Vote for Eloth ( Okaros )
2 Votes for Tellan ( Barghast, Gait )
2 Votes for Barghast ( Mockra, Eloth )
1 Vote for Gait ( Tellan )

Players not voted: Alkend, Galain, Korbas
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Posted 08 August 2013 - 02:19 AM

 Barghast, on 08 August 2013 - 02:15 AM, said:

yes, I am going to quote my own post. because apparently no one else can read.

or draw conclusions from reading.

post 920.

Emphasis added now.

 Barghast, on 06 August 2013 - 07:31 PM, said:

 Korbas, on 06 August 2013 - 06:58 PM, said:

Presumably Rashan was mood-killed either because he requested it, or because he wasn't playing in the interests of his team. It's disappointing that people seem to feel they can drop out just because the game isn't going their way. I've seen it un a number of games this year, and it sucks.

Barghast, I think the player summaries that irritated you were Tellan's.


Tellan, indeed. Though I notice he DOES actually use quotes. just not in quoteboxes. He's been making my gut hurt half the game, but I'm not sure I want to vote him after a more throrugh re-read of the weekend.

Trake's style is similar to my own, which tells me exactly nothing. Korbas sounds reasonable. Eloth and Okaros I have no handle on. Galain was calling me out on some shit, but I'll wait for proper questions before I adress that. This leaves me with Mockra, for his goddamn summaries, Jalan for low-posing and jumping, and Antras, i'm not sure quite why. I recall thinking he needed watching before the weekend, but everyhting else is a bit of a blur.


now. please. can people get over whatever they thought up in their heads and focus on the actual facts?


They think you're scummy, so they have decided that you called me scummy because you are scummy. Good thing I know you too well to fall for that silliness. Otherwise, with my swing vote, you'd probably be dead and we'd have lost the game by now.

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Posted 08 August 2013 - 02:20 AM

Calm the farm, dude. On a re-read, you haven't said anything about Trake, and your comments on Gait have been going on since before Mockra connected you. Guess that's just the power of suggestion.

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Posted 08 August 2013 - 02:27 AM

Back, catching up.

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Posted 08 August 2013 - 02:29 AM

 Korbas, on 08 August 2013 - 02:20 AM, said:

Calm the farm, dude. On a re-read, you haven't said anything about Trake, and your comments on Gait have been going on since before Mockra connected you. Guess that's just the power of suggestion.



uh-huh. and who's been making those suggestions? and when did they start making them?

I've been getting shit all day, because of things I supposedly said. But every time I ask for someone to back it up, all I get is a "you're a bullshitting scum, because you are" coupled with people dissapearing due to RL. it gets frustrating.

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Posted 08 August 2013 - 02:29 AM

 Alkend, on 08 August 2013 - 02:27 AM, said:

Back, catching up.



hooray

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Posted 08 August 2013 - 02:37 AM

Not fully caught up yet, but posting anyway. Will post more later.

 Gait, on 07 August 2013 - 12:02 PM, said:

We're not being very productive as a town, aren't we?

Vote Trake.

He's been active and sensible early game but withdrawn later, with hardly a comment on hot issues and only a lecture here and there. It might partly be caused by real life but even taking that into account, it is exceptionally uncommitted play and from a player who I early on could see lead town in opinion-making, disappointing. It could be scum with the end-game nerve approaching "X more days to victory" and getting into the ultimate safe mode.

It is gut - it could be anyone, but hey. If anyone has anything better, throw it out.

I never like gut feelings. Gut feelings this late in the game aren't worth a vote on.

 Eloth, on 07 August 2013 - 04:30 PM, said:

Fucking HO... I always gravitate to him as scum, regardless of if he is or isn't. You'd think I'd learn.
Caught up. I'll address the Okaros vote on me in a sec, but I'm not to concerned about it as we have actual cases out there.

Between Gait, Barghast, and Tellan I actually trust Tellan the most. From his posts he seems to genuinely want to spur on conversation. I have no real read on Gait. He could be a symp, but I am not about to go down that road this late in the game.

Here's what I think. I think Barghast can smell the win. Tellan is the easiest target as he has posted the most among the remaining players and is somewhat invested in this game. (More so than most it seems). He relies on a multi post barrage to try to sway the sheeple and bring it home for scum. I don't like it. It's something Khell would do if he was scum and close to a victory. blind them with bullshit. The case was a whole bunch of posts and a really not very good.

vote Barghast


At this point I could see the sympage coming from gait, especially PIing Trake and now voting for him. But I like my Barghast vote and as I said before. It's really hard to make a symp case. Especially late in the game. I prefer to find inconsistencies and go for scum.

Sorry, I actually have some level of trust for Barghast. He thinks the same way I do and I haven't seen any particularly scummy play from him. I don't think Tellann is scum, mind you, nor Gait. Tellann is non-confrontational and I think that's better given how badly we've been going as we point fingers at each other so far.

 Mockra, on 07 August 2013 - 06:40 PM, said:

 Barghast, on 06 August 2013 - 08:13 PM, said:

 Path-Shaper, on 06 August 2013 - 08:02 PM, said:

It is Day 6. 3 hours and 29 minutes remaining

12 Players still alive: Alkend, Anthras, Barghast, Eloth, Gait, Galain, Jalan, Korbas, Mockra, Okaros, Tellan, Trake

7 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.

3 Votes for Jalan ( Galain, Eloth, Alkend )

Players not voted: Anthras, Barghast, Gait, Jalan, Korbas, Mockra, Okaros, Tellan, Trake


oh shit, just realized Gait is even playing. This means will deffo need to take a look at him when home.


Barghast, Gait, and Trake are up to something. I just can't decide if I should have faith in them, or realize they're scum. I've never seen anything that appears more staged than the interactions between Barghast and Gait today.

Barghast calls out Trake and I as scum partners, then makes his biggest case against Tellan. Gait and Barghast are voting together. You three have played fairly flawlessly this game, until the last 24 hours. It may not even matter at this point, as it might be too late and you guys are just having fun, but the sudden change in playstyles of faking suspicions about each other, then totally doing 180s is extreme and obvious. The play today is staged.

VOTE BARGHAST

I am really busy at work, and may not be back for a while. I apologize.

I always have a bad feeling about you; you tend to vote with little more rationale than "I have a bad feeling", or posts that can be summed up as "I agree". I'm never comfortable with that; the playstyle thing is complete WIFOM.

 Mockra, on 07 August 2013 - 07:33 PM, said:

 Barghast, on 07 August 2013 - 06:50 PM, said:

 Mockra, on 07 August 2013 - 06:40 PM, said:

 Barghast, on 06 August 2013 - 08:13 PM, said:

 Path-Shaper, on 06 August 2013 - 08:02 PM, said:

It is Day 6. 3 hours and 29 minutes remaining

12 Players still alive: Alkend, Anthras, Barghast, Eloth, Gait, Galain, Jalan, Korbas, Mockra, Okaros, Tellan, Trake

7 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.

3 Votes for Jalan ( Galain, Eloth, Alkend )

Players not voted: Anthras, Barghast, Gait, Jalan, Korbas, Mockra, Okaros, Tellan, Trake


oh shit, just realized Gait is even playing. This means will deffo need to take a look at him when home.


Barghast, Gait, and Trake are up to something. I just can't decide if I should have faith in them, or realize they're scum. I've never seen anything that appears more staged than the interactions between Barghast and Gait today.

Barghast calls out Trake and I as scum partners, then makes his biggest case against Tellan. Gait and Barghast are voting together. You three have played fairly flawlessly this game, until the last 24 hours. It may not even matter at this point, as it might be too late and you guys are just having fun, but the sudden change in playstyles of faking suspicions about each other, then totally doing 180s is extreme and obvious. The play today is staged.

VOTE BARGHAST

I am really busy at work, and may not be back for a while. I apologize.


wtf? when did I call Trake scum?

teh furthest i've ever said about Trake was that he played like me, so I had no real read on him,



Yeah, yeah. I'm busy and I'm not suppose to be online from this desk. Funny you mention that comment about you and Trake being similar, because I didn't have time to dig it up, and my notes are at home, but you posted something like 'me and Trake post the same, and this means...nothing,' or something close. I have it down as you signalling Trake. Plus all the posts where you signal the others with the phrase 'I wiki look at player X', usually made close to the end of day timeout. I believe you're using it to signal with either Trake, or Gait, or both. Now move on to the part of your plan that the Takeda spy overheard where you plan to claim healer, or finder. One of them . Mentioned encoding it in one of your posts maybe. Or was that Gait as well. You're both so damned interchangeable. One of them is the others symp. I'll stay with Barghast, but I'd vote Gait as well. They're both in it together.

Ask Alkend what he thinks . If he's who I think he is.

I'll have to ask you to elaborate.

 Barghast, on 07 August 2013 - 08:08 PM, said:

Gait's recent jumping has been suspicious as fuck. Though I think it's too blatant to be a killer. I'm not averse to voting that way, but i'm about 80% convinced Gait's a symp, whereas i'm about 90% convinced Tellan is scum.

Mockra's saying things that don't make sense. Eloth is spouting pure bullshit. Trake is gone for an entire day, Galain says he has no idea when he'll be on again. Alkend posts once in a blue moon, and usually just plops on the biggest train at the time.

This leaves Okaros and Korbas, both of whom are enigmas right now.

I won't vote Okaros. Along with Barghast, I actually trust him.

 Trake, on 07 August 2013 - 09:52 PM, said:

Ok, all caught up now. I had to reread both pages 3 times because of the Barghast/Tellan coloured replies and the fact that I keep mixing them and Gait up because of all the green in their avatars but I think I'm fully up to speed now. My scumdar for a couple days now has been pinging in the direction of Gait, Mockra, Eloth and Korbas. These are my reasons.

Gait - All the PIing is scummy as fuck. There's nothing I really have to add to ?Tellan's? case from earlier, he did a good job at summarizing the sketchy shit, I just want to acknowledge that I've noticed the same behaviour and came to the same conclusion as Tellan. Said behaviour is possibly sympy, as a number of you green mofos have said, but it could be a scum trying to seem as sympy as possible to prey on our lack of a desire to lynch a symp.

Mockra - I called him out earlier and, as much as I hate to shit on the RL defense after using it so much myself, I find it super hard to reconcile the immediate boost in post count that my earlier case on him produced.

Eloth and Korbas - Both have posted just enough that I remember them as people that have been posting. I'll be rereading both after I finish this post and forming a concrete opinion on both. Eloth in particular has done a good job of being confrontational today but as Bargh pointed out he's inconsistent as fuck by simple virtue of suddenly becoming confrontational. Especially after that continuous lurking of the previous week.

Now, Eloth and Korbas are currently just gut feelings. They will get their writeups shortly, along with a fresh one on Mockra. Gait and Mockra, however, are both people that I've had a bad feeling about for some time and that have backed up that bad feeling with their play. And so, since I think Gait is the more likely killer of my top 2 suspects I will

vote Gait

Gait is a little sympy, but when do we ever vote the symp? That doesn't feel right. You can't find anyone in his interactions to vote for? That's lazy voting, right there.

Eloth gives me a bad feeling by being so confrontational today. I can't tell whether angry inno or scum trying to wrap this up.
Reading on before I vote.

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Posted 08 August 2013 - 02:46 AM

 Trake, on 07 August 2013 - 11:54 PM, said:

Ok, Eloth is interesting. First couple days he's happy to just throw out a couple comments, mostly agreeing with other suggestions made. Is often away from thread due to RL but has made an effort to keep his nose in the game. Most significant contribution to the game was in the last two days where he came in vocally opposed to the Rashan lynch and then presented Jalan as an alternative. He then pushed his Jalan case hard and, as he might word it, herded the sheeple towards a lynch that was increasingly obviously going to be a town cf. And then today he's just been jumping on anyone he can call scum. Similar to Korbas it is hard to get a definitive feeling about Eloth but I've still got him very high on my scum list after the reread. Not as high as Gait and Mockra though.

He's odd. I don't like how he played, but his vocal opposition to the Rashan lynch makes me uncomfortable to peg him as scum. However....

 Trake, on 08 August 2013 - 01:00 AM, said:

Regarding Mockra, he's significantly altered his playstyle since I first voted him. He has gone from making almost no contribution at all to trying to point fingers in every direction simultaneously. To me that remarkable shift is the most scummy thing I've seen on thread all game. Like a snake startled before it was ready to emerge from its hiding place.

remove vote
vote Mockra


He does seem to be crumbling under pressure. His previous posts, I've basically summarized earlier. It's very curious, and in my opinion, he's contributed nothing except speeding up lynches, and now he's contributing by muddying the water with insane theories.
I have a gut feeling that he's scum, and he's DEFINITELY playing in a way that makes me very uncomfortable, but I'm not sure what to do yet.

 Barghast, on 08 August 2013 - 01:09 AM, said:

 Trake, on 08 August 2013 - 01:01 AM, said:

I'm going to go and try and get some chores done but as usual my nose will be poking into the thread. I'm willing to throw a vote back on Gait as readily as on Mockra, but I personally feel Mockra to be the better target for this lynch.



The problem I have with voting Mockra is the fact that i understand about 1 in 4 sentences of what he's been writing recently. He's jumpy, but when Gait is jumping I'm reading a cold intent behind those jumps. Whereas Mockra seems genuinely confused, not paying enough attention, and throwing all kinds of crap out there. a vote on him would be a waste imo

See, Barghast is right here, at least. The intent behind Mockra doesn't seem... confused, per se, but he's lashing out with one vote on him, which seems too panicky for scum at this point. I'd expect them to be calm and in control.

Placeholder vote while I look at Gait to see what all the fuss is about.
Vote Eloth

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Posted 08 August 2013 - 02:49 AM

 Gait, on 07 August 2013 - 01:18 PM, said:

 Barghast, on 07 August 2013 - 12:33 PM, said:

btw, Gait, I was actually waiting to see who'd vote Trake first after he announced he won't be on all day to defend himself. You're my prime symp suspect for now.


Personally, if I am to hold my mouth shut because I worry about whether or not people think I am a symp will just lead to more apathy.


Is your suspicion of me being the symp based on me attacking absent Trake, or on a feeling that Trake's inno - because if I am a symp, that guarantees he is town, after all.
And is your suspicion an attack on me, or a defense of Trake?

I'm not sure, but this may be the stupidest post I've ever seen.
I'd like to ask everyone to look over Okaros' theory about Eloth again, because while Gait's immediate voting of Trake after Trake said he'd be afk all day is scummy, his response to Barghast's pressure is just... ridiculous.

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