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104 - Warring States Mafia 4 - Fujiwari Expansion Sengoku Series

#1001 User is offline   Galain 

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Posted 07 August 2013 - 09:10 AM

 Trake, on 07 August 2013 - 12:10 AM, said:

Wow. You all actually had a semi-productive day. You have pleased this blackhearted old motherfucker. I would not have voted Jalan, I know it was another skin of the teeth day but after Rash's modkill for playing against his team I think it may have been better to leave Jal alone and actually think about who was likely scum. I have to call out Mockra for pushing Jal to self hammer at the end there. There was no benefit to us in that lynch. According to the CF he was town, most of the thread seemed to think he was town and reading up I certainly would have agreed that I thought he was town as well. And yet Mockra initiates the final push for his neck and then bitches at him to selfie. I am firmly convinced that Mockra is scum and will be voting for him in the morning.


Err... just like I did with was it Cast? so I can't really comment on this! Is this your basis for Mockra or are you going off more?

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Posted 07 August 2013 - 09:12 AM

 Shinrei, on 07 August 2013 - 09:01 AM, said:

Mafia manager has been doing all kinds of weird shit, don't ask me why.

This is why I never use it.

-Shin


Your turn to draft in the Sports forum, Shin.

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Posted 07 August 2013 - 10:13 AM

 Gait, on 07 August 2013 - 09:12 AM, said:

 Shinrei, on 07 August 2013 - 09:01 AM, said:

Mafia manager has been doing all kinds of weird shit, don't ask me why.

This is why I never use it.

-Shin


Your turn to draft in the Sports forum, Shin.


Done, you impatient gits.
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Posted 07 August 2013 - 10:30 AM

 Galain, on 07 August 2013 - 08:56 AM, said:

 Path-Shaper, on 07 August 2013 - 08:51 AM, said:

Night 6 is over, no one died.

Except Anthras (Roldom), who has been modkilled.

He was Sennosuke Masahara of Arai Castle.


It is Day 7. 31 hours and 59 minutes remaining
10 Players still alive: Alkend, Barghast, Eloth, Gait, Galain, Korbas, Mockra, Okaros, Tellan, Trake

6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.


Players not voted: Alkend, Barghast, Eloth, Gait, Galain, Korbas, Mockra, Okaros, Tellan, Trake


No NKs again? WTF are scum playing here? This night should have taken us to D-Day more or less, depending on symps, but instead they drag it out longer.

They know they're stupidly close to parity. They dont want us to have any information. Would a bored scum perhaps like to come forward and help us out here?

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Posted 07 August 2013 - 10:34 AM

It is Day 7. 30 hours and 16 minutes remaining
10 Players still alive: Alkend, Barghast, Eloth, Gait, Galain, Korbas, Mockra, Okaros, Tellan, Trake

6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.


Players not voted: Alkend, Barghast, Eloth, Gait, Galain, Korbas, Mockra, Okaros, Tellan, Trake
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Posted 07 August 2013 - 10:43 AM

Aw fuck, something burned out my battery last night so I'm gonna be totally gone all day. Sorry guys.

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Posted 07 August 2013 - 12:02 PM

We're not being very productive as a town, aren't we?

Vote Trake.

He's been active and sensible early game but withdrawn later, with hardly a comment on hot issues and only a lecture here and there. It might partly be caused by real life but even taking that into account, it is exceptionally uncommitted play and from a player who I early on could see lead town in opinion-making, disappointing. It could be scum with the end-game nerve approaching "X more days to victory" and getting into the ultimate safe mode.

It is gut - it could be anyone, but hey. If anyone has anything better, throw it out.

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Posted 07 August 2013 - 12:22 PM

It is Day 7. 28 hours and 29 minutes remaining
10 Players still alive: Alkend, Barghast, Eloth, Gait, Galain, Korbas, Mockra, Okaros, Tellan, Trake

6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Trake ( Gait )

Players not voted: Alkend, Barghast, Eloth, Galain, Korbas, Mockra, Okaros, Tellan, Trake
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Posted 07 August 2013 - 12:31 PM

 Gait, on 07 August 2013 - 12:02 PM, said:

We're not being very productive as a town, aren't we?

Vote Trake.

He's been active and sensible early game but withdrawn later, with hardly a comment on hot issues and only a lecture here and there. It might partly be caused by real life but even taking that into account, it is exceptionally uncommitted play and from a player who I early on could see lead town in opinion-making, disappointing. It could be scum with the end-game nerve approaching "X more days to victory" and getting into the ultimate safe mode.

It is gut - it could be anyone, but hey. If anyone has anything better, throw it out.



I do have smth slightly better. give me about an hour.

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Posted 07 August 2013 - 12:33 PM

need to get to work and work out some numbers.

btw, Gait, I was actually waiting to see who'd vote Trake first after he announced he won't be on all day to defend himself. You're my prime symp suspect for now.

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Posted 07 August 2013 - 01:18 PM

 Barghast, on 07 August 2013 - 12:33 PM, said:

btw, Gait, I was actually waiting to see who'd vote Trake first after he announced he won't be on all day to defend himself. You're my prime symp suspect for now.


Personally, if I am to hold my mouth shut because I worry about whether or not people think I am a symp will just lead to more apathy.


Is your suspicion of me being the symp based on me attacking absent Trake, or on a feeling that Trake's inno - because if I am a symp, that guarantees he is town, after all.
And is your suspicion an attack on me, or a defense of Trake?

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Posted 07 August 2013 - 01:29 PM

 Gait, on 07 August 2013 - 01:18 PM, said:

 Barghast, on 07 August 2013 - 12:33 PM, said:

btw, Gait, I was actually waiting to see who'd vote Trake first after he announced he won't be on all day to defend himself. You're my prime symp suspect for now.


Personally, if I am to hold my mouth shut because I worry about whether or not people think I am a symp will just lead to more apathy.


Is your suspicion of me being the symp based on me attacking absent Trake, or on a feeling that Trake's inno - because if I am a symp, that guarantees he is town, after all.
And is your suspicion an attack on me, or a defense of Trake?


more of an attack. re-reading right now. Expect a case soon.

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Posted 07 August 2013 - 01:41 PM

Interesting. For the record, the question is mostly rhetorical - who in their right mind would admit they are defending someone in their stead, as it means they'd be convinced of that person's innocence? Even so, if your case is on me for being a symp, you lost your mind and I'll predict you, Trake and possibly Mockra are scum.

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Posted 07 August 2013 - 01:51 PM

I really miss the "find member's posts" feature. got 4 tabs open right now.

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Posted 07 August 2013 - 02:05 PM

 Barghast, on 07 August 2013 - 01:51 PM, said:

I really miss the "find member's posts" feature. got 4 tabs open right now.


You can still pick "Find My Content" from the member pop-up, and then pick "display as posts" in the top right drop-down menu of the content page. But unfortunately it doesn't order the posts very nicely.

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Posted 07 August 2013 - 02:06 PM

This is Tellan up the end of the Cast lynch. I've skipped empty banter posts.


 Tellan, on 29 July 2013 - 06:36 PM, said:

 Barghast, on 29 July 2013 - 06:22 PM, said:

 Desra, on 29 July 2013 - 03:45 PM, said:

 Liosan, on 29 July 2013 - 03:44 PM, said:

 Desra, on 29 July 2013 - 03:26 PM, said:

 Desra, on 29 July 2013 - 03:23 PM, said:

What would be interesting is if the scum were 2 pairs of paired killers and a 'general'. Scum killer pairs can only kill members of town in one of the castles, so having a slightly bigger than normal scum team would be balanced out by the fact that they can only technically kill off half of town each. This could also mean that we need only kill off the scum general to win the game.


What I don't like about this idea is what happens if we kill off the killers? Does the general just have to hide among town and try to steer lynches away from him? The game would become pretty much impossible for scum to win if that were to happen.



I think the killers are likely to be the generals and not have a seperate General that by killing him town wins. That seems too hard for scum to win if that were the case.


It's true, but it DOES say in the OP that town wins if they kill off the general(s), so it's not completely out of the realm of possibility. But I think you're probably right that there is most likely 2 generals.


or, you know, since every char is an "officer", wh has his own squad, (like in every war-based Sengoku/Rot3K game so far), "general" is just a name for scum killers (as opposed to symps, who may be lower ranks)


Yeah, I just checked sengoku 2 and the generals then were killers, so it would make sense if everything is consistent. Whether or not generals will always be, or even are killers I can't be sure


He participates in the role discussion, but very lightly, not committing to anything.

 Tellan, on 30 July 2013 - 02:34 PM, said:

Im here, and can vote, but I don't see any of the cases having much basis. But I'm willing to vote. A lynch is better than a no-lynch, because if we don't lynch, we're just doing day one over tomorrow.

That's all on him Day 1. Note he doesn't actually vote anyone at this time.

 Tellan, on 30 July 2013 - 10:20 PM, said:

That's nice! No kills, but now were literally just redoing day 1



 Alkend, on 30 July 2013 - 10:24 PM, said:

 Tellan, on 30 July 2013 - 10:20 PM, said:

That's nice! No kills, but now were literally just redoing day 1

interesting that nobody died
i hesitate to draw conclusions but that leads me to wonder if the killers only being able to kill people in certain factions may be correct
in any case that line of mechanics discussion will become a slippery speculation road so i shall say no more.



 Tellan, on 30 July 2013 - 10:26 PM, said:

This lends credence (imo) to the killers can only kill people in the castle they're besieging... Makes it better for us!



 Tellan, on 31 July 2013 - 01:29 PM, said:

I'm read up and out of the cases on the table right now, Alkend's seems to have the most basis, the runner up being desra's overreaction. Alkend's train is by far the biggest, and I do not want a repeat of day 1's no lynch


Tellan makes sure to put all the options on the table. no vote yet.

Liosan calls him out on his speculation.

 Liosan, on 31 July 2013 - 03:13 PM, said:

 Alkend, on 30 July 2013 - 10:24 PM, said:

 Tellan, on 30 July 2013 - 10:20 PM, said:

That's nice! No kills, but now were literally just redoing day 1

interesting that nobody died
i hesitate to draw conclusions but that leads me to wonder if the killers only being able to kill people in certain factions may be correct
in any case that line of mechanics discussion will become a slippery speculation road so i shall say no more.



Have you even heard of Healers? Seriously people why are we making this more difficult than it needs to be? If anything no night deaths reinforces the shared kill theory that I'm leaning towards and the night target was healed so that was why no one died.


Tellan's response is extremely mild, meant to rock the boat as little as possible.

 Tellan, on 31 July 2013 - 03:32 PM, said:

 Liosan, on 31 July 2013 - 03:14 PM, said:

 Tellan, on 30 July 2013 - 10:26 PM, said:

This lends credence (imo) to the killers can only kill people in the castle they're besieging... Makes it better for us!



;)

See my above comment


Your idea makes sense, only reason I can't fully believe it is Shin saying this game is "not quite your usual setup". But your idea is the simplest, so probably true.


prior to the Alkend reveal, he's good to vote Alkend.

 Tellan, on 31 July 2013 - 03:42 PM, said:

I'm on and can hammer when needed. Likely in an hr or two if there's no more discussion.




To be continued....

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Posted 07 August 2013 - 02:11 PM

Back for an incredibly short time. Barghast, top right of the page next to the search box there's a little cog, click it for the advanced search. In there put the alt name in "Find author" and set the date to the start or just before of this game. Set "Display results" to "As Posts" and press search. For context to each result click the post number in the top right of each post - #1024589 for instance and it'll take you to the post in thread.

No thoughts on game yet and I am confirmed as once I leave here after this quick 5min jump on I'm back on a phone for the next ~20 hours, shit.

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Posted 07 August 2013 - 02:13 PM

I'm pretty sure there's some mechanic in this game that I don't know and can't imagine, but that will explain everything afterwards... but until then I gotta just keep going forward. So in addition to the consideration of people's votes per day from above, I also want to consider night presence. In short:

Night 1 - no one dies
Night 2 - Desra+Liosan die
Night 3 (fast resolve) - Kalse vigged by Rashan
Night 4 (time out) - no one dies - Galain, Korbas, Tellan, Jalan posted during or just before night (Eloth, Gait, Jalan, Okaros all missed night and late day)
Night 5 (did not time out) - Hanas dies
Night 6 (time out) - no one dies (except Roldom modkilled) - everyone but Eloth posted during or just before night


Eloth is the only one that seems to have been absent both times that night timed out and resulted in no kills. Furthermore he only showed up for the first time about halfway through night 1, and night 1 ended not too long afterwards.

Does that explain everything? No, because obviously if he is a killer he had a NK in early for night 3 but it still didn't go through, and likewise for night 1, plus there's got to be a reason for the two deaths on night 2. But those could be explained by heals, vigs, castle mechanics or whatever. I'm not trying to give a concrete view of the whole picture, but the parts that do line up with Eloth being a killer fit very well.

For now

Vote Eloth


as I think this merits a deeper look.

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Posted 07 August 2013 - 02:14 PM

 Gait, on 07 August 2013 - 12:02 PM, said:

We're not being very productive as a town, aren't we?

Vote Trake.

He's been active and sensible early game but withdrawn later, with hardly a comment on hot issues and only a lecture here and there. It might partly be caused by real life but even taking that into account, it is exceptionally uncommitted play and from a player who I early on could see lead town in opinion-making, disappointing. It could be scum with the end-game nerve approaching "X more days to victory" and getting into the ultimate safe mode.

It is gut - it could be anyone, but hey. If anyone has anything better, throw it out.


We saw where my thoughts led yesterday, after that balls up I'm going to keep quiet until I can research an actual case against someone.

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Posted 07 August 2013 - 02:15 PM

Here's the end of night posts for reference:



End of Night 1:

 Path-Shaper, on 30 July 2013 - 10:17 PM, said:

The night passed quietly. Yoshiatsu and his primary officers talked and drank sake in the small chamber adjacent to the lord's apartments. The mood was glum, with an undercurrent of outrage at this turn of events. Worse, the sake, rather than bury the emotion, only pushed the feeling of remorse and frustration to the fore. To fall from opportunity to potential ruin so quickly... Yoshiatsu drank in a determined manner, yet found the sake disturbingly bitter - a sure sign of his own spiritual malaise. No matter what he spoke of during the small party, his mind was elsewhere, wondering silently at what the dawn would bring his clan.

No one has died

It is Day 2. 31 hours and 59 minutes remaining



End of Night 2:

 Path-Shaper, on 01 August 2013 - 03:19 AM, said:

Yoshiatsu still watched from the battlements long after the first skirmishes of the siege had ended. Ladders had been repelled with arrows and large rolling balls of burning pitch. The return arrow fire had cost him some defenders, but the fire arrows which had flown early on in the battle had been quickly extinguished. The attack had been a probing one, he knew. Serious numbers of forces had yet been committed by either side, the Fujiwari were simply testing the defenses and the backbones of those who defended. They should have known better, Yoshiatsu thought. The Miura were fighting for their last hope, there would be no easy victory here for those bastards from Odawara.
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General Ota surveyed the new disposition of the Fujiwari troops as they remade their camp in a forward position. As expected, Edo castle's outermost wall, which was really little more than a low fence ringed by a ditch, had not held long, and the retreat into the main portion of the keep had been orderly and well timed. If his troops had been less disciplined, the Fujiwari might have enjoyed slaughter, but the losses on the day were minimal. The loss of that outer defense was not much cause for concern either, as it would do little to help the Fujiwari unless it were to guard their retreat. "And let us hope it comes to that." Ota grimaced.

Night 2 is over.

Desra is dead. He was Kenji Tama and Blend of Arai castle.

Liosan is dead. He was Nobuhisa Genji and twelve of Edo castle.



End of Night 3:

 Path-Shaper, on 02 August 2013 - 01:40 PM, said:

Genji Muto finished his patrol with an arrow in the gut. His only thought was, "must complete this circuit and report...must complete this circuit and report....must complete this circuit and report..." as he stumbled on in horrible pain. But he did not cry out. He was a soldier. He reached his captain, opened his mouth and a red bubble came out. With its popping, he collapsed and did not move again.

Kalse is dead. He was Genji Muto and Ganoes Paran of Edo castle.

It is Day 4. 31 hours and 59 minutes remaining


14 Players still alive: Alkend, Anthras, Barghast, Eloth, Gait, Galain, Hanas, Jalan, Korbas, Mockra, Okaros, Rashan, Tellan, Trake

No one has voted.




End of Night 4:

 Path-Shaper, on 04 August 2013 - 03:28 AM, said:

Dawn broke over Edo castle, although it was hard to tell as the dark sky merely turned a somewhat lighter gray. The weather had turned miserable overnight and the clouds were thick and heavy with rain. Attacking up a slope in an increasingly muddy and bloody mess was not what the Fujiwari command wanted, so they hunkered down in their positions to wait for fairer weather.

It is Day 5. 31 hours and 59 minutes remaining

14 Players still alive: Alkend, Anthras, Barghast, Eloth, Gait, Galain, Hanas, Jalan, Korbas, Mockra, Okaros, Rashan, Tellan, Trake

8 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.


Players not voted: Alkend, Anthras, Barghast, Eloth, Gait, Galain, Hanas, Jalan, Korbas, Mockra, Okaros, Rashan, Tellan, Trake




End of Night 5:

 Path-Shaper, on 05 August 2013 - 03:54 PM, said:

General Miura Yoshiatsu rode at the back of the wedge of horsemen who thundered through the Fujiwari line, pikemen and archers melting before their lances. Despite himself he grinned, this gambit had only a slim chance of success, but if executed as hoped the sortie could deliver the death blow to the Fujiwari attack and buy the Miura time to seek out allies. The command tent of the cursed Fujiwari general was just ahead. Yoshiatsu swung his lance, splitting open the face of a spearman who had frozen in place, unable to bring the will to swing his pike to defend himself. His horsemen roared as one as they pounded past the last sentries who scattered, some cut down, others throwing themselves aside only to be trampled by hooves.
The canvasses surrounding the Fujiwari banner were stretched loosely to resist cutting, but were tied to poles as thick as Miura's thigh with sturdy ropes blacked with pitch that would resist the first swings of even the sharpest sword. As one, they dismounted and rushed through the three or four twists and turns to reach the central pavilion.

General Iida Gen sat on leather stool, flanked by a handful of bodyguards. Upon Miura's entry, he smiled and stroked his mustache once, then turning the motion into a flick of his wrist he snapped open his fan. The sharp crack of the fan was the signal. The canvasses behind him crumpled and the facade of a complete pavilion disappeared. Grass mats flipped aside to reveal samurai crouched beneath them in low dug trenches.

Miura and his men were surrounded, and no longer had the numerical superiority his troop’s headlong charge had initially won. He inclined his head in a slight bow to Gen, and then he spat, "General, I will watch you from Hell, and indeed await for you there."

Miura Yoshiatsu’s men were beheaded on the spot, their heads wrapped for transport back to Odawara castle to be displayed, while Miura was displayed in chains outside the Fujiwari camp. The men who remained in Arai castle, however, were grimly determined to hold onto their castle, and if possible rescue their lord.


It is Day 6. 31 hours and 37 minutes remaining

13 Players still alive: Alkend, Anthras, Barghast, Eloth, Gait, Galain, Jalan, Korbas, Mockra, Okaros, Rashan, Tellan, Tiamatha, Trake

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.


Players not voted: Alkend, Anthras, Barghast, Eloth, Gait, Galain, Jalan, Korbas, Mockra, Okaros, Rashan, Tellan, Tiamatha,Trake


Hanas is dead. He was General Miura Yoshiatsu of the Miura castle. And was Vengeance



End of Night 6:

 Path-Shaper, on 07 August 2013 - 08:51 AM, said:

Night 6 is over, no one died.

Except Anthras (Roldom), who has been modkilled.

He was Sennosuke Masahara of Arai Castle.

It is Day 7. 31 hours and 59 minutes remaining
10 Players still alive: Alkend, Barghast, Eloth, Gait, Galain, Korbas, Mockra, Okaros, Tellan, Trake

6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.


Players not voted: Alkend, Barghast, Eloth, Gait, Galain, Korbas, Mockra, Okaros, Tellan, Trake


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