[Jakovasaurus]

Hey guys. I've reached the end of this thread. What should I do next?

This post has been edited by Jakovasaurus: 16 May 2014 - 12:50 PM

[QuickTidal]

Jakovasaurus, on 16 May 2014 - 05:00 AM, said:

Scroll up a few posts...

[amphibian]

This is a question for the deep ASOIAF fans: Did GRRM switch editors at any time in the series? I'm talking the people who basically challenge him on this or that in the process before he sends the final manuscript in.

[Terez]

Jamie re Tyrion's speech last week: "They'll be talking about it for days to come."

Tyrion re Cersei's talk with Oberyn: "Making honest feelings do dishonest work is one of her many gifts."

The Hound Opens Up About His Feelings

Hot Pie is still going on about armor and knights ("generally speaking"—LOL)

Did Brienne and Pod discuss the Eyrie in the books? The fork scene was nice.

Oberyn: "I will be your champion..." perhaps one of the best scenes in the show so far, from beginning to end.

phib: Let's not pretend that any editor could have solved GRRM's quagmire, or that any editor was responsible for the tightness of the first few books. They generally don't have that much influence. The show has the benefit of hindsight and, more bluntly, more freedom to stray from GRRM's vision than any editor he'd want to work with.

[amphibian]

That's not what I'm after. I don't care about the Mereenese knot or the tightness of the first few books (no plan survives contact with the enemy, even literary ones). I'm after knowing the general set of people who help him write the books, their sensibilities and whether or not he got kick-started in one direction or another by certain people. With Erikson, this forum and many interviews, I've sort of got a loose shape of the crowd of people he hangs with and socializes with that may have pushed things one way or another. It's interesting to figure out.

I ask this because I was made aware of the existence of Geraldine Laybourne, who was hugely responsible for shaping the humor and sensibilities of a significant chunk of the US kid/teen tv-watching audience in the early and mid 90s at Nickelodeon and the Disney Channel. Seriously, this woman is loosely responsible for at least half of my friends' adolescent tv viewing and I never knew it.

[Garak]

One good thing I can say about this season - two characters I hated are now dead.

[Jakovasaurus]

Every scene with Arya and the Hound is pure enjoyment. Easily my favorite this season.
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On another note, here's something fun.

Holy crap! Robert Baratheon was Fred Flintstone!

[Werthead]

amphibian, on 19 May 2014 - 02:57 AM, said:

This is a question for the deep ASOIAF fans: Did GRRM switch editors at any time in the series? I'm talking the people who basically challenge him on this or that in the process before he sends the final manuscript in.

That's not what I'm after. I don't care about the Mereenese knot or the tightness of the first few books (no plan survives contact with the enemy, even literary ones). I'm after knowing the general set of people who help him write the books, their sensibilities and whether or not he got kick-started in one direction or another by certain people. With Erikson, this forum and many interviews, I've sort of got a loose shape of the crowd of people he hangs with and socializes with that may have pushed things one way or another. It's interesting to figure out.

GRRM's main editors have remained the same throughout the whole series since AGoT was sold: Anne Groell (at Bantam Spectra in the USA) and Jane Johnson (at HarperCollins Voyager in the UK).

For the other people who were/are influential:

Parris McBride is GRRM's long-term partner, now wife. A couple of the books are dedicated to her.
Melinda Snodgrass is a long-standing writing colleague of GRRM's, his co-editor on the Wild Cards books. She is acknowledged in almost every book and, I believe, is GRRM's go-to person on matters involving horses.
Roger Zelazny is, of course, the legendary author of the Chronicles of Amber books and Lord of Light, and was a good friend of GRRM's. He passed away in 1995, during the writing of AGoT, but had a huge influence on GRRM's writing.
Phyllis Eisenstein is another of GRRM's writing colleagues. GRRM had a brainstorming session with her early on (as in 1991) during the writing of AGoT, and it was Eisenstein who insisted he turn the story into a fantasy and "put the dragons in" (originally it had no magical elements at all and was focused on the War of the Five Kings). ASoS is dedicated to her.
Daniel Abraham is GRRM's writing protege, of sorts, and now a very popular fantasy and SF writer in his own right. He became a writing confidante's of GRRM's in the early 2000s. It was actually his suggestion to split AFFC/ADWD the way they were. He now writes the GoT comic book and probably knows more about how the story ends than anyone other than GRRM and the TV writers.
Ty Franck is GRRM's assistant and helper, although he now splits that with writing the Expanse SF novels along with Abraham.
Raya Golden is GRRM's other personal assistant. She's also an artist and recently drew the comic adaptation of GRRM's story Meathouse Man.
Along with GRRM, Abraham and Snodgrass, authors Walter John Williams, John J. Miller, Pat Cadigan, Victor Milan, S.M. Stirling are part of GRRM's extended writing group. They sometimes brainstorm ideas and go through each's others works-in-progress.

[Spoilsport Stonny]

he also likes to bounce ideas off of that anthropomorphic paperclip from Microsoft Office.

[Werthead]

Spoilsport Stonny, on 19 May 2014 - 07:27 PM, said:

he also likes to bounce ideas off of that anthropomorphic paperclip from Microsoft Office.

GRRM's computer can't handle Microsoft Office

No, seriously. It's a DOS-based late 1980s machine running WordStar 4.0. He dedicated AFFC to a guy called Stephen Boucher whose job it is to stop the thing exploding.

[amphibian]

That's pretty much the perfect set-up for a massively popular writer of really long books.

Rock solid, unchanging and stable code & hardware. No access to internet (can't be hacked by loons). Won't be distracted by diversions within the computer itself (assuming he doesn't have Pong et. al. installed).

As long as he makes periodic back-ups, keeps it physically secured (from fires, accidents and more loons) and has a few parts on hand, it's great.

[worry]

There's also, of course, the NFL...perhaps his biggest influence of all.

[Cause]

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Phyllis Eisenstein is another of GRRM's writing colleagues. GRRM had a brainstorming session with her early on (as in 1991) during the writing of AGoT, and it was Eisenstein who insisted he turn the story into a fantasy and "put the dragons in" (originally it had no magical elements at all and was focused on the War of the Five Kings). ASoS is dedicated to her.

I have always been fascinated by that. The books could stand alone without the fantasy elements and yet they also certainly add some spice. Id love to talk to him about it. I suppose an interview must exists somewhere on the web that covers this topic.

[Abyss]

Is it just me, or did Rorge and Biter just stage the worse ambush in the history of history, fictional or real?


...seriously... Biter jump on The Hounds back, bites him, gets tossed on the ground and stabbed, and Rorge stands there like an idiot.
I was waiting for six more guys, or arrows, or whatever, and instead Arya just gets an lame easy kill.

Otherwise solid ep, but wtf that was perhaps the weakest tv moment in the show since it started.

[Abyss]

Rageun Cajun, on 20 May 2014 - 05:28 PM, said:

Either that are Asha's fully armored men running from dogs instead of stabbing them. It's close.

I could work with that because the rescue mission was screwed by the guy they were supposed to rescue and it was just a matter of moments before more guards showed up. Not perfect, but not as wholly flawed as Rorge and Biter's Brief Adventure.

[worry]

What you have to remember is that Rorge and Biter are stupid.

[Abyss]

And apparently suicidal.

[Traveller]

I'm pretty sure it's one of the two that ends up in the Hound's armor, riding round chewing on villagers. And Brienne, at some point.

On tv they were both dead before I knew who they were.

[Ceda Cicero]

amphibian, on 19 May 2014 - 09:19 PM, said:

Won't be distracted by diversions within the computer itself (assuming he doesn't have Pong et. al. installed).

Pacing would suggest that GRRM installed Pong some time during the writing of ASoS and has since logged enough hours to gain master fucking badass Jedi status.

[worry]

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