[Ultama]

Ultama, on 08 July 2013 - 08:15 PM, said:

Anyone have the day 2 or 3 end of day bookmarked?

Heh. reading those wasn't much help. basically those 8-10 names have all been busy voting each other.

[Okaros]

I'm willing to vote Ryll. He, out of the names being tossed around right now, seems most suspicious to me, and seems to have gone from really active to slipping under the radar. I'll wait to actually place the vote until I'm sure that he's the best target imo.

[Ultama]

Monok Ochem, on 08 July 2013 - 08:31 PM, said:

Liosan, on 08 July 2013 - 08:27 PM, said:

Monok Ochem, on 08 July 2013 - 08:26 PM, said:

That was possibly one of the most interesting catch-ups I've had in Mafia.

and?

Good question. That's quite a bit to take in all at once. I need to think for a few.

Would another vote on you help with clarity of thought?

[Okaros]

Oh, and I just got home, so I should be around for an hour or two.

[Ultama]

Okaros, on 08 July 2013 - 08:33 PM, said:

I'm willing to vote Ryll. He, out of the names being tossed around right now, seems most suspicious to me, and seems to have gone from really active to slipping under the radar. I'll wait to actually place the vote until I'm sure that he's the best target imo.

That helps

[Ultama]

Veng, what's the timer?

[Ryllandaras]

Alright, so first from my list, Demelain:


First, Ultama comments on this at the beginning of the game. Now that we know what Alkend was, this stuck out at me, but could just as easily be coincidence I suppose.

Ultama, on 25 June 2013 - 09:59 AM, said:

Demelain, on 25 June 2013 - 07:20 AM, said:

Do we have any idea when the game will start?

Alkend, on 25 June 2013 - 08:37 AM, said:

And I'm here. Game not started yet?

nice to know that neither of you can take the time to read 40 posts.

For someone who professed to not be keen on a Fener lynch on day 1, they spent quite a bit of time saying why it should happen anyway:

Demelain, on 26 June 2013 - 09:23 PM, said:

Fener, on 26 June 2013 - 09:16 PM, said:

Fener, on 26 June 2013 - 09:14 PM, said:

Demelain, on 26 June 2013 - 09:12 PM, said:

Thinking about it though feners "I will self vote if I need too" post strikes me as total crap

This is a faction game, not town vs scum. You will never help your own faction by self voting. You only do that if you're town and u want to try and clear the air so your team mates can catch the scum

I'm pretty much lost to my faction at this point anyway, I see no need to drag it out.

Although, having said that, I'll throw this bone to you as you gnaw the flesh from my bones:

You can be sure I'm not a Vord because I have an ability that reduces infestation on a tile, therefore you should keep me around to counter the Vord spread, at least till the Queen/other(s) are out the picture.

How can we be sure? The OP says that once a times infested its infested forever, however it doesn't rule out that you could reduce the infestation on a half way infested tile.
But how will you prove that you can do it? If you are anti Vord then you've just put a huge NA tater on yourself

Demelain, on 26 June 2013 - 09:35 PM, said:

Fury crafting or Vord recruiting, and if we give you a free pass today you could easily become Vord tomorrow...

I am very tempted to give you the chance to prove it though

Demelain, on 26 June 2013 - 09:43 PM, said:

The guard would have to be placed on the recruiter not the recruit. Unless you have a great insight there to share with us you can't be saved that way.

Your only hope would be that recruitment is linked to location

Demelain, on 26 June 2013 - 09:51 PM, said:

Your dammed no matter what you do I'm thinking. Risk recruitment and death or fail to deliver on your promise to burn the roach and get lynched

Arguably the Vord may decide not to bother recruiting you because your a dead pig walking and it would be a waste of a NA but can the other factions take that risk?

I think this exchange might be a good argument for Demelain NOT being the Vord Queen. Alkend trying to highlight a supposed slip by Demelain.

Alkend, on 27 June 2013 - 11:58 AM, said:

Demelain, on 27 June 2013 - 11:57 AM, said:

Alkend, on 27 June 2013 - 11:55 AM, said:

Still no sign of the newbie?


This caught my eye a bit though:

Demelain, on 27 June 2013 - 11:31 AM, said:

Depending on whether or not fener is Vord, there could be one or none or all of the Vord players (depending on how many you think are out there) on fener's train.

What I dont expect to be there is a vord player with more than one alt to have both alts on the train at the same time.

Unless Fener is Vord and they wanted to stop a lynch by putting up fake votes

Demelain here appears to know for certain that Vord have two alts - 'both' - rather than one controlling three or whatever.

Do I?

Lol, do you?

Demelain did appear to become convinced, or follow others in being convinced, by Tiam quite quickly. One of the main players interacting with 'Alera' Tiam. Expressed a desire to go after those who wanted to kill Tiam.

Demelain, on 28 June 2013 - 01:42 PM, said:

Trake has been heavy on my rader for a while but im leaning more towards those who just wanted to kill off tiam after tiam started talking. nimander for example.

however we are running out of time and we cant have a repeat of last nights no lynch. Theres at least 9 people watching right now so hopefully we could pick a target between us.

Quite a few one-line nothing posts, and a few dodgy things which I've highlighted above. But the part where Alkend tries to make Demelain look suspicious, combined with Demelain's early Mockra vote, makes me think that we won't find the Vord Queen here. On to the next.

[Ultama]

Vote Sheltatha Lore

[Path-Shaper]

It is now Day 5. 24 hours 30 minutes remaining.

Players alive: Barghast, Demelain, Emurlahn, Fener, Gait, Galain, Hood's Path, Kedeviss, Korbas, Liosan, Monok Ochem, Okaros, Pran Chole, Rashan, Ryllandaras, Sheltatha Lore, Tiamatha, Trake, Ultama

10 votes to lynch, 10 votes for night.

1 vote Okaros (Fener)
1 vote Monok Ochem (Pran Chole)
1 vote Ryllandaras (Emurlahn)
1 vote Pran Chole (Korbas)
1 vote Sheltatha Lore (Ultama)

Players not voted: Barghast, Demelain, Gait, Galain, Hood's Path, Kedeviss, Liosan, Monok Ochem, Okaros, Rashan, Ryllandaras, Sheltatha Lore, Tiamatha, Trake

[Ultama]

Path-Shaper, on 08 July 2013 - 07:22 PM, said:

It is now Day 5. 25 hours 54 minutes remaining.

Players not voted: Barghast, Demelain, Gait, Galain, Hood's Path, Kedeviss, Korbas, Liosan, Monok Ochem, Okaros, Rashan, Ryllandaras, Sheltatha Lore, Tiamatha, Trake

Oh, we've got loads of time.

[Liosan]

Ultama, on 08 July 2013 - 08:47 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 08 July 2013 - 07:22 PM, said:

It is now Day 5. 25 hours 54 minutes remaining.

Players not voted: Barghast, Demelain, Gait, Galain, Hood's Path, Kedeviss, Korbas, Liosan, Monok Ochem, Okaros, Rashan, Ryllandaras, Sheltatha Lore, Tiamatha, Trake

Oh, we've got loads of time.

indeed

[Ultama]

Barghast, Demelain, Emurlahn, Fener, Gait, Galain, Hood's Path, Kedeviss, Korbas, Liosan, Monok Ochem, Okaros, Pran Chole, Rashan, Ryllandaras, Sheltatha Lore, Tiamatha, Trake, Ultama



We could try this way too:

Barghast, Demelain, Emurlahn, Fener, Gait, Galain, Hood's Path, Kedeviss, Korbas, Liosan, Monok Ochem, Okaros, Pran Chole, Rashan, Ryllandaras, Sheltatha Lore, Tiamatha, Trake, Ultama

Those are the people that I will not vote for under the proposed arrangements.

[Trake]

Ultama, on 08 July 2013 - 08:54 PM, said:

Barghast, Demelain, Emurlahn, Fener, Gait, Galain, Hood's Path, Kedeviss, Korbas, Liosan, Monok Ochem, Okaros, Pran Chole, Rashan, Ryllandaras, Sheltatha Lore, Tiamatha, Trake, Ultama



We could try this way too:

Barghast, Demelain, Emurlahn, Fener, Gait, Galain, Hood's Path, Kedeviss, Korbas, Liosan, Monok Ochem, Okaros, Pran Chole, Rashan, Ryllandaras, Sheltatha Lore, Tiamatha, Trake, Ultama

Those are the people that I will not vote for under the proposed arrangements.

Mine looks like this:
The people I will not vote for: Emurlahn, Fener, Gait, Galain, Korbas, Liosan, Okaros, Trake, Ultama.
The people I don't think are particularly evil: Ryllandaras, Monok Ochem
The rest: Barghast, Demelain, Hood's Path, Pran Chole, Sheltatha Lore
The ugly: Rashan, Tiamatha

[Liosan]

Trake, on 08 July 2013 - 09:01 PM, said:

Ultama, on 08 July 2013 - 08:54 PM, said:

Barghast, Demelain, Emurlahn, Fener, Gait, Galain, Hood's Path, Kedeviss, Korbas, Liosan, Monok Ochem, Okaros, Pran Chole, Rashan, Ryllandaras, Sheltatha Lore, Tiamatha, Trake, Ultama



We could try this way too:

Barghast, Demelain, Emurlahn, Fener, Gait, Galain, Hood's Path, Kedeviss, Korbas, Liosan, Monok Ochem, Okaros, Pran Chole, Rashan, Ryllandaras, Sheltatha Lore, Tiamatha, Trake, Ultama

Those are the people that I will not vote for under the proposed arrangements.

Mine looks like this:
The people I will not vote for: Emurlahn, Fener, Gait, Galain, Korbas, Liosan, Okaros, Trake, Ultama.
The people I don't think are particularly evil: Ryllandaras, Monok Ochem
The rest: Barghast, Demelain, Hood's Path, Pran Chole, Sheltatha Lore
The ugly: Rashan, Tiamatha

you missed Kedeviss

[Liosan]

I'm heading home. Will do a re-read there and think about this a bit more. Back in a few hours.

[Monok Ochem]

Ultama, on 08 July 2013 - 08:33 PM, said:

Monok Ochem, on 08 July 2013 - 08:31 PM, said:

Liosan, on 08 July 2013 - 08:27 PM, said:

Monok Ochem, on 08 July 2013 - 08:26 PM, said:

That was possibly one of the most interesting catch-ups I've had in Mafia.

and?

Good question. That's quite a bit to take in all at once. I need to think for a few.

Would another vote on you help with clarity of thought? />/>

No, seeing as the first vote by Pran Chole is what seems to be this post by me:

Monok Ochem, on 03 July 2013 - 10:35 PM, said:

Monok Ochem, on 03 July 2013 - 06:20 AM, said:

Monok Ochem, on 28 June 2013 - 03:55 PM, said:

Alkend, on 26 June 2013 - 08:43 AM, said:

Korbas, on 26 June 2013 - 08:29 AM, said:

Alkend, on 26 June 2013 - 07:43 AM, said:

Lots and lots of talk about the Vord. I guess that means we're going on a bug hunt (are they bugs? That's what I'm imagining in my head).

Any reason we wouldn't go after the Vord? Their goal is to eliminate us all, everyone has a Vord elimination VC. Makes sense no?

When you put it like that, yeah. But for most the VC is to eliminate the Vord Queen and fuck (not literally) the rest of the Vord. One individual between twenty-something players might take a while to track down. I'm certainly not expecting the factions to remain the bestest of friends if it does end up a long chase.
It might be tough to not have this game go the way such books always go (and I bet in the Alera series too). Loads of squabbling and fighting between various armies/petty nations etc, whilst a bigger threat grows ever stronger in the background.
Very fun-looking setup this!

Mockra, on 25 June 2013 - 12:25 AM, said:

Hi all! Looks to be a fun/confusing one this!

Is this expression common elsewhere? It's not here, so if so, this is nothing, plus I don't have my notes, and can't remember the other really petty things I found. I'm not advocating their lynch really, just tossing anything at all I have put there.

I remember thinking Alkend and Mockra were the same person, and we now know Alkend was Vord, and Mockra tried to jump on the last lynch train after it was too late. It may be nothing, but I'd look at Mockra more closely.

By the way, I'm the one who started the case against Mockra. I also posted this same exact post WAY earlier saying Alkend and Mockra appeared to be the same person, thus good choices for one player controlling both alts. Keep this is mind.

I thought Alkend and Mockra sounded alike just from these two posts, and put it on my notes. Later, once Alkend came back Vord, I made the post comparing these two posts by Alkend and Mockra, claiming they may be the same player. This was the day we lynched Mockra. Very soon after I made the post comparing them, the Mockra train started, and ended before I even got back home. The next day someone mentioned my name in connection to not being on Mockra's train, and that's why I made the above post saying 'keep that in mind.'

It wasn't anything to do with what Pran Chole seemed to be claiming.

So no, a second vote won't help any of us. I definitely wouldn't have started trying to link Alkend and Mockra from so early on if I was Vord. At least I find this just as good, and better than many of the other reasons we've crossed people off the possible Vord list.

So far I could do an OMGUS vote on Pran Chole, possibly. There's a few people I wouldn't vote for, but none of them are being considered so far, and I don't feel the need to be as forthcoming with information as the rest of you just yet. I also saw where a couple people mentioned what they think of me already, and that was plenty enough. No one wants to spell it out and give up all they know.

[Ultama]

Ultama, on 08 July 2013 - 08:54 PM, said:

Barghast, Demelain, Emurlahn, Fener, Gait, Galain, Hood's Path, Kedeviss, Korbas, Liosan, Monok Ochem, Okaros, Pran Chole, Rashan, Ryllandaras, Sheltatha Lore, Tiamatha, Trake, Ultama



We could try this way too:

Barghast, Demelain, Emurlahn, Fener, Gait, Galain, Hood's Path, Kedeviss, Korbas, Liosan, Monok Ochem, Okaros, Pran Chole, Rashan, Ryllandaras, Sheltatha Lore, Tiamatha, Trake, Ultama

Those are the people that I will not vote for under the proposed arrangements.

And the only way this works is if nobody asks the "why not that person" question.

[Ryllandaras]

Gait now. [SPOILERS] As you'll see at the end, I actually missed something from them when making the list, so by that criteria it's arguable whether Gait should even be on this list [SPOILERS].


Gait is the first to notice the extra alts. Whenever someone is first to something it always make me suspicious whether they knew already...

Gait, on 24 June 2013 - 01:21 PM, said:

Do I really suck at math or are there 22 alts in the game?

Gives Tiam the benefit of the doubt, BUT...

Gait, on 27 June 2013 - 04:24 PM, said:

Demelain, on 27 June 2013 - 04:15 PM, said:

I can never remember where to put the / when I want to bold on my phone...

Fair Tiam, how many different abilities do you have?

I will give Tiam benefit of the doubt.


Remove Vote


put the slash behind second b.

...but apparently remains suspicious of Tiam nonetheless.

Gait, on 27 June 2013 - 04:33 PM, said:

Fener, on 27 June 2013 - 04:31 PM, said:

Gait, on 27 June 2013 - 04:28 PM, said:

So we don't get any buffs on dawn 2 ?

Looks like it.

So, my vote is going to be Fire, Active. As those of you who knew noticed I was seeking her red eyes, the fire aspected ones.

If this is a bluff from an alt PS is going to have a fun time of it.

I'm out for a few hours.

I think it's a bluff. Venge didn't know anything about it.

Gait pushed for a Trake lynch with some force after the Tiam voting didn't pan out. Following that, there is this comment concerning Alkend:

Gait, on 02 July 2013 - 10:06 AM, said:

Alkend, on 02 July 2013 - 09:57 AM, said:

Fener, on 02 July 2013 - 09:55 AM, said:

Just checked and Tiam is on 10 votes, so;

Remove Vote

Vote Tiamatha

Make that 11.

Ah, whoops. Hope we didn't care about Tiam saying anything!

I don't buy this.You didn't hammer accidentally.


and he is probably not lynched.

Gait follows that up the next day by going for Mockra. Mockra is the 'only' choice he's willing to go for.

Gait, on 03 July 2013 - 03:14 PM, said:

Ultama, on 03 July 2013 - 03:12 PM, said:

I would really like to get a lynch today so we can ponder the results over the weekend. We've got maybe 5 hours to get one.

That requires the people posting to make a choice: Gait, Ryl, Trake, Demelain, and NG.

It also requires some of the lurkers to participate.


I am voting Mockra because I think he screwed up and predicted that Tiamatha would simply respawn.

I will vote Korbas for the screwy military chatter, being a douchebag, declaring that Tiamatha could not possibly be Vord, being a douchebag, all the First Aleran talk without actually proving any of it, and general all around scummy douchebagism.

I am willing, in order to get a lynch, to vote low posters Barghast and Okaros. (Pran Chole, Hood's Path, Kedeviss, and Mockra fall into that category. But Barghast is especially annoying because he's got 3 fucking posts.)

I am more than willing to listen to cases made on others.

I will not follow an OMGUS vote on Liosan.

Among those mentioned, I will only vote Mockra.


Vote Mockra


I kinda like how Korbas is playing and I think we have enough info to not need a low-poster lynch.

And again, Gait is not convinced by Mockra.

Gait, on 03 July 2013 - 05:52 PM, said:

I don't buy Mockra's explanation. I still want to lynch him.

Now, I forgot/didn't see that Gait had also offered healing to Emur. It can be argued that he didn't promote it as strongly as, say, Trake, but if I stick firmly to how I initially ruled certain people out, perhaps Gait should have been ruled out too.

Gait, on 08 July 2013 - 02:49 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 08 July 2013 - 02:46 PM, said:

I've decided to reveal today, not because of any pressure on thread, but because I'm almost dead and if I die, I suspect this could go south very quickly for my faction.

I'm Tavi, aka Octavian. I can pretty much confirm that Korbas is telling the truth. I can't 100% confirm it because we haven't been able to communicate all game (we have to be on the same tile to communicate). I started the game not knowing who Kitai was.

Korbas, as to why I attacked you a few nights ago, this post is why:

Korbas, on 25 June 2013 - 04:11 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 25 June 2013 - 02:29 PM, said:

Start of Day Status Update

Narash
Infested

Shuar
Infestation Counter: 5/10

Antillus
Infestation Counter: 0/12 (10+2)

Elinarch
Infestation Counter: 0/11 (10+1)

Alera Imperia
Infestation Counter: 0/21 (20+1)

Calderon
Infestation Counter: 0/26 (25+1)

Whoever is on Antillus best be careful because they do not have much movement options. I wonder if infestation counter can keep increasing or reset when a player moves away from the tile.

I had that down as you potentially trying to out a faction leader and that didn't seem very useful to our faction.

Which tile are you on?(since you are already half dead it wouldn't matter if you say it would it?) I am asking because as I said, I have access to water furies and honestly, keeping you alive is in my best interests. (my water isn't really strong though)

Strongly implies great movement abilities.

Gait, on 08 July 2013 - 02:57 PM, said:

Fener, on 08 July 2013 - 02:55 PM, said:

I can provide healing too, probably not to top health but not far off. I'm on Alera Imperia with a Movement of 2 so name your tile.

I can reach most tiles with my movement.

So I'm going to say the Vord Queen won't be found here either. The Alkend suspicion was a bit lightweight, but the belief in a Mockra lynch seems more solid. This coupled with a few other posts today means I'll move once again to the next person in line.

[Pran Chole]

I was in the middle of my quote case when a big thunderstorm knocked out all the power in my neighborhood. I'm posting on my friend's phone, as soon as power is back I will be also.

[Fener]

Catching up...

Ultama, on 08 July 2013 - 04:41 PM, said:

That's just fucking great. If they can move two tiles at a time it is going to be a busy night in Alera Imperia.

The rebels decided to listen to Tia and Rashan. Goddammit. Never heard the "united we stand, divided we fall" thing??

What are you on about? For all you know this may well be a timed response that would have happened anyway. Do you know for sure that Kalarus is even in the game? If not, the plan is unlikely to be 'Grind Korbas into the ground' because that benefits no-one at the moment.

Okaros, on 08 July 2013 - 04:35 PM, said:

So... Bad news

That all depends on your POV, doesn't it.

Emurlahn, on 08 July 2013 - 05:09 PM, said:

It wouldn't surprise me if that is headed to Alera Imperia to make bad things happen.

Why would it be? Rebels have no need/interest in taking out the First, unless they side with the Loyalists. Vice versa too.

Ultama, on 08 July 2013 - 06:30 PM, said:

So I'm back to a lynch vote of the 'possible'. If there is resistance to lynching somebody who hasn't been around in a week and a half, how are we going to manage a lynch on anyone?

The Rebel move with the immortals was a smart fucking move. For the Vord.

Again, might not be a Rebel move. Even if it is you can be sure the person behind it has been reading thread and knows exactly what is going down and has made their call based on it.