[Ryllandaras]

Ultama, on 09 July 2013 - 01:04 AM, said:

Ryllandaras, on 09 July 2013 - 12:03 AM, said:

Ultama, on 08 July 2013 - 11:00 PM, said:

Ryllandaras, on 08 July 2013 - 10:52 PM, said:

This post is a bit interesting. Suggests that we do not need to try and kill Tiam and Rashan on a daily basis. This strikes me as a pretty dangerous thought.

A dangerous thought at the time it was said or dangerous thought still?

In my opinion, a dangerous thought still. Tiam and Rashan should be put down every night. I believe there's a reason Tiam played for time in the first place, not just to fuck with us. I've stated that before.

Well the bad thought I had during the course of the Mockra lynch was something along those lines. So that brings me to a question: if you think they are that dangerous why did they both make it through the night?

How do you expect me to answer that? They lived for any number of reasons, from blocked attacks to not enough attacks to put them down, to not enough/anyone bothering to try, to other abilities being at play, or any combination of those.

You almost appear to be asking, 'if you think they're that dangerous, why didn't you kill them?' Well, sorry to disappoint, but I highly doubt that I'm so powerful as to take two Vord down in one go.

[Monok Ochem]

Ryllandaras, on 09 July 2013 - 12:02 AM, said:

I'm throwing in a little diversion from the Mockra-Alkend talk. Here, Monok speculates on Vord tactics. If Monok is Vord, it could also be trying to manipulate how we go about thinking the Vord might operate.

Monok Ochem, on 08 July 2013 - 04:26 AM, said:

Korbas, on 07 July 2013 - 05:02 PM, said:

What questions do you want me to answer?

I'm confused by the votes on me. I'm confused by the posts being posted at theed moment. Are you voting me for more information?

Why do you think the great furies will be good for anyone? One of them makes 5 damage to everyone on that tile.

The Great Furies could possibly, if used right, be one of the best weapons/defenses against the Vord infestation, albeit near end-game scenarios come to mind most clearly. The Vord are the only faction that it makes the most sense for actually having to be at and remain at certain tiles to 'infest.' This could prove a huge weakness near the end, or maybe sooner. Activating certain furies when certain tiles are close to being infested, or half infested, etc, could make perfect sense to anyone actually thinking about the game and at least trying to figure out some tactics from what is mostly an unknown model, at least for now.

Fener, on 07 July 2013 - 06:36 PM, said:

Blend, on 13 June 2013 - 11:17 PM, said:

If the Great Fury under Kalare is activated, all players on the Kalare tile excluding the player who activated it, will die.


If the Great Furies are not activated before the Vord Queen can infest the tile on which they are located, the Vord will receive a bonus for infesting a tile with a Great Fury on it

The bad things that happen, happen only to a small number of people though. Potentially only to the Vord stood on the tile infesting in given that Kalare doesn't kill the activator. The potential bonuses the Vord get could be game changing and bring them well back into contention. All in all I'm glad they went for Antillus over Kalare but can't help wondering why.

I would guess that since one of the two blue paths connect the 2 closest starting points for the Vord(Shuar and Narash) to Elinarch, that the blue paths are possibly only usable by the Vord, although I haven't tried using either one, so it's just a theory. Therefore, they chose to goto Antillus instead of Kalare so they could move over to Phyrgia, which seems like a better line of attack if you ask me. From Kalare they can only hit Ceres next, whereas from Phyrgia they can hit either Alera Imperia or Riva. It would also open up more paths for them, so we have to guess at their next tile, whereas if they were to infest Elinarch then straight to Kalare, then Ceres would become a possible bottleneck and obvious tile to defend against or attack them.

My guess is that they try to get Phyrgia with the most effort, then keep us guessing as to their next line - Alera Imperia, Riva, or back up over to try for Kalare once they think we think they're focused at Phyrgia.

And back to Alkend-Mockra. Here Monok appears confused by his own timeline. He says that 'once Alkend came back Vord' he posted his theory about Mockra and Alkend. But that isn't true. He did that while we were still discussing a Trake lynch on day 2, and then reposted it again the following day (I think after Ultama spotted the Mockra slip).

Monok Ochem, on 08 July 2013 - 09:07 PM, said:

Ultama, on 08 July 2013 - 08:33 PM, said:

Monok Ochem, on 08 July 2013 - 08:31 PM, said:

Liosan, on 08 July 2013 - 08:27 PM, said:

Monok Ochem, on 08 July 2013 - 08:26 PM, said:

That was possibly one of the most interesting catch-ups I've had in Mafia.

and?

Good question. That's quite a bit to take in all at once. I need to think for a few.

Would another vote on you help with clarity of thought? />/>

No, seeing as the first vote by Pran Chole is what seems to be this post by me:

Monok Ochem, on 03 July 2013 - 10:35 PM, said:

Monok Ochem, on 03 July 2013 - 06:20 AM, said:

Monok Ochem, on 28 June 2013 - 03:55 PM, said:

Alkend, on 26 June 2013 - 08:43 AM, said:

Korbas, on 26 June 2013 - 08:29 AM, said:

Alkend, on 26 June 2013 - 07:43 AM, said:

Lots and lots of talk about the Vord. I guess that means we're going on a bug hunt (are they bugs? That's what I'm imagining in my head).

Any reason we wouldn't go after the Vord? Their goal is to eliminate us all, everyone has a Vord elimination VC. Makes sense no?

When you put it like that, yeah. But for most the VC is to eliminate the Vord Queen and fuck (not literally) the rest of the Vord. One individual between twenty-something players might take a while to track down. I'm certainly not expecting the factions to remain the bestest of friends if it does end up a long chase.
It might be tough to not have this game go the way such books always go (and I bet in the Alera series too). Loads of squabbling and fighting between various armies/petty nations etc, whilst a bigger threat grows ever stronger in the background.
Very fun-looking setup this!

Mockra, on 25 June 2013 - 12:25 AM, said:

Hi all! Looks to be a fun/confusing one this!

Is this expression common elsewhere? It's not here, so if so, this is nothing, plus I don't have my notes, and can't remember the other really petty things I found. I'm not advocating their lynch really, just tossing anything at all I have put there.

I remember thinking Alkend and Mockra were the same person, and we now know Alkend was Vord, and Mockra tried to jump on the last lynch train after it was too late. It may be nothing, but I'd look at Mockra more closely.

By the way, I'm the one who started the case against Mockra. I also posted this same exact post WAY earlier saying Alkend and Mockra appeared to be the same person, thus good choices for one player controlling both alts. Keep this is mind.

I thought Alkend and Mockra sounded alike just from these two posts, and put it on my notes. Later, once Alkend came back Vord, I made the post comparing these two posts by Alkend and Mockra, claiming they may be the same player. This was the day we lynched Mockra. Very soon after I made the post comparing them, the Mockra train started, and ended before I even got back home. The next day someone mentioned my name in connection to not being on Mockra's train, and that's why I made the above post saying 'keep that in mind.'

It wasn't anything to do with what Pran Chole seemed to be claiming.

So no, a second vote won't help any of us. I definitely wouldn't have started trying to link Alkend and Mockra from so early on if I was Vord. At least I find this just as good, and better than many of the other reasons we've crossed people off the possible Vord list.

So far I could do an OMGUS vote on Pran Chole, possibly. There's a few people I wouldn't vote for, but none of them are being considered so far, and I don't feel the need to be as forthcoming with information as the rest of you just yet. I also saw where a couple people mentioned what they think of me already, and that was plenty enough. No one wants to spell it out and give up all they know.

Monok sure is an interesting one. Whether you believe the Alkend-Mockra spot is the crux, really. It should be noted that on its own, Monok's spot may have been far more unlikely to damn Mockra to a lynch. It was only after Ultama spotted the slip-up by Mockra in response to Nimander that Monok's post gained additional weight. Thus, Monok's post could be viewed as providing an 'out' should Mockra and/or Alkend - at some point - be lynched or killed. It wasn't the thing that pushed Mockra over the edge, that was Ultama's discovery.

Monok likes to speculate and provide options on scenarios, but he's also quite non-committal with it. Doesn't really push anything (aside from making sure that we knew about his find - he reposted his own post twice). If only this were a town/scum game...I'm on the fence currently with how I feel about Monok. It could simply have been a nice find, that is certainly not against the realms of possibility.

Wrong. I had posted the suspicious similarity in Alkend and Mockra previously, but it went nowhere, and on its own, wasn't extremely damning. Then I reposted the post I made, but only because it had already linked the two posts by Alkend and Mockra that looked the same. I also added, this time, the fact that Mockra had tried to jump onto the Tiam lynch late, but was not needed. This made me rethink the Alkend-Mockra link, and it was post #998. It was Ultama who then found an additional slip by Mockra, when he saw my post, and decided it was worth looking into Mockra, and his post was #999, and here after my post, Ultama votes Mockra, agreeing with my post above. The next post, #1000, Demelain votes Mockra.

So I'm not sure why you are trying to purposely cofuse the facts behind my find, but it doesn't look good for you. My linking of Mockra and Alkend post-style, then noting of Mockra attempting to jump onto the late Tiam lynch came first, and right after came Ultama's slip-up by Mockra, but it was the combined posts that created instantly the Mockra lynch. Nice attempt at trying to make my work seem far less than it was, and trying to discredit an obvious catch on a slip by two Vord players. Are you mad because they were on your team? So with 50% OMGUS/50% genuine worry over why Ryllandaras would purposely try to confuse the facts of my Alkend and Mockra cases -

remove vote
vote Ryllandaras

[Liosan]

.... and we're back with your regularly scheduled programming.

[Path-Shaper]

It is now Day 5. 19 hours 41 minutes remaining.

Players alive: Barghast, Demelain, Emurlahn, Fener, Gait, Galain, Hood's Path, Kedeviss, Korbas, Liosan, Monok Ochem, Okaros, Pran Chole, Rashan, Ryllandaras, Sheltatha Lore, Tiamatha, Trake, Ultama

10 votes to lynch, 10 votes for night.

1 vote Okaros (Fener)
1 vote Monok Ochem (Pran Chole)
2 votes Ryllandaras (Emurlahn, Monok Ochem)
1 vote Pran Chole (Korbas)
1 vote Sheltatha Lore (Ultama)

Players not voted: Barghast, Demelain, Gait, Galain, Hood's Path, Kedeviss, Liosan, Okaros, Rashan, Ryllandaras, Sheltatha Lore, Tiamatha, Trake 

[Ultama]

Ryllandaras said:

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You almost appear to be asking, 'if you think they're that dangerous, why didn't you kill them?' Well, sorry to disappoint, but I highly doubt that I'm so powerful as to take two Vord down in one go.

No, I am asking, "if you think they're that dangerous, why didn't you kill one of them?". Why didn't one of them die last night? What occupied your action?

[Liosan]

Ryllandaras, on 09 July 2013 - 01:06 AM, said:

Lio is quite quick to side with those believing Mockra's explanation. Throws Nimander's name out there again.

Liosan, on 03 July 2013 - 05:09 PM, said:

Ultama, on 03 July 2013 - 05:00 PM, said:

Mockra, on 03 July 2013 - 04:36 PM, said:

I haven't managed to get through all the posts since I was last on, but I'll just say that skimming through this stuck out to me. This post came right after Rashan and Tiam left. If he hasn't caught up on the posts yet, how does he know that Tiam and Rashan will form the majority of them?

Ultama, on 03 July 2013 - 02:04 PM, said:

What's the current vote count? Just got online and have 90 or so posts to catch up on. And I doubt Tiamatha/Rashan is going to make it easy reading.

Vote Ultama


Anyway, that's it from me. See you guys, or, more likely, not.

Because I logged in and my browser was on page 55. I scrolled to the bottom. Rinse repeat until I hit the last post. Posted the above and went back to actually read what I had scrolled through


Gah. The problem is I believe Mockra. I was expecting a "that's not what I meant" which is easily disproved by the last sentence. But "that's what I thought he said and if that's the reason for voting Tiam, it's weak."





Remove Vote

If we believe Mockra, this leaves us with... what? Korbas?

NG has been constantly going against the grain of the thread. I'm not sure that's enough to make him sufficiently suspicious to warrant a lynch just yet in my eyes though.

---Yet I kept my vote on Mockra, while Ultama removed his.


Accuses Emur over a vote for Mockra.

Liosan, on 03 July 2013 - 06:24 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 03 July 2013 - 06:17 PM, said:

And caught up. That was quite a read.

A vote for Tiamatha is about as pointless as I can imagine. Ultima is just a little bit too loud today in his VOTE HIM NO WAIT HIM NO HIM NO HIM.

I don't know Mockra, but hey, he's as good as anybody.

Vote Mockra

you know, stuff like this isn't making you look any better

--Context: You lack it. Emu was one of the low posters that came out of nowhere and jumped on a train without giving any justification. You're damn fucking right I'm gonna say smth about that. Once again, I didn't remove my vote, though there were all kinds of other votes flying around at the time.

Claims to having a Wind fury which also tells him how many Vord there are on a tile.

Liosan, on 06 July 2013 - 08:11 PM, said:

Trake, on 06 July 2013 - 07:45 PM, said:

Liosan, on 06 July 2013 - 07:38 PM, said:

Antillusinfestation went up by 2 overnight. at the start of Day 4 there were no vord there. Mayhaps the Queen is focusing her attention there?

Two vord moving to the same tile in the same night and both increasing the infestation counter.

except there's only 1 vord on Antillus. Or so my Wind Fury tells me.

Now here's what I find interesting about this last post. Emurlahn said he's on Antillus. Emur says he was attacked last night, on Antillus. Liosan knows, apparently, that there's a Vord on Antillus...Could Liosan actually be that Vord, and is masking it as a supposed ability to reveal how many Vord are on a tile?

That, combined with Nimander's suspicions of Liosan, and his apparent deflections from a Mockra lynch, may have just jumped Liosan up to top suspect.

Whether you believe me or not is your own fucking problem. I've been camping on Elinarch all game ever since I made it there (from Imperia, before any smartass suggests I came from Vord-lands). I've done some fortifying, and I also did some spying. Night 2 someone tried to fry me

I have a 1 in 3 nights ability that tells me homw many vord players are on each tile. I used it last night. There's 2 in Elinarch, and 1 in Antillus. Since Antillus infestation went up by 2, I'm betting that's where the queen is.

[Liosan]

To comment about NG, since I missed that part and don't want to edit stuff, b/c it's not allowed;

When players attack me, I push back. NG's been riding me since Day 2, and his reasons were bullshit. I said as much. He did actively go against consensus, I've said as much. Did I vote him? No. Did I remove my vote from Mockra to vote him? No.

I'm not saying this to point out that this makes NOT the queen. I'm merely pointing out that your own arguments are flimsy, and you're stretching.

In fact, you're scrambling a lot.

[Pran Chole]

Monok Ochem, on 09 July 2013 - 01:27 AM, said:

Wrong. I had posted the suspicious similarity in Alkend and Mockra previously, but it went nowhere, and on its own, wasn't extremely damning. Then I reposted the post I made, but only because it had already linked the two posts by Alkend and Mockra that looked the same. I also added, this time, the fact that Mockra had tried to jump onto the Tiam lynch late, but was not needed. This made me rethink the Alkend-Mockra link, and it was post #998. It was Ultama who then found an additional slip by Mockra, when he saw my post, and decided it was worth looking into Mockra, and his post was #999, and here after my post, Ultama votes Mockra, agreeing with my post above. The next post, #1000, Demelain votes Mockra.

So I'm not sure why you are trying to purposely cofuse the facts behind my find, but it doesn't look good for you. My linking of Mockra and Alkend post-style, then noting of Mockra attempting to jump onto the late Tiam lynch came first, and right after came Ultama's slip-up by Mockra, but it was the combined posts that created instantly the Mockra lynch. Nice attempt at trying to make my work seem far less than it was, and trying to discredit an obvious catch on a slip by two Vord players. Are you mad because they were on your team? So with 50% OMGUS/50% genuine worry over why Ryllandaras would purposely try to confuse the facts of my Alkend and Mockra cases -

remove vote
vote Ryllandaras

I find it laughable that you use the term cases regarding Alkend and Mockra. I reviewed all your posts and this is your entire "case" on either one of them:

Monok Ochem, on 28 June 2013 - 03:46 PM, said:

I will say I believe Alkend and Mockra are the same player, but it's semi-wild speculation.

Monok Ochem, on 28 June 2013 - 03:55 PM, said:

Alkend, on 26 June 2013 - 08:43 AM, said:

Korbas, on 26 June 2013 - 08:29 AM, said:

Alkend, on 26 June 2013 - 07:43 AM, said:

Lots and lots of talk about the Vord. I guess that means we're going on a bug hunt (are they bugs? That's what I'm imagining in my head).

Any reason we wouldn't go after the Vord? Their goal is to eliminate us all, everyone has a Vord elimination VC. Makes sense no?

When you put it like that, yeah. But for most the VC is to eliminate the Vord Queen and fuck (not literally) the rest of the Vord. One individual between twenty-something players might take a while to track down. I'm certainly not expecting the factions to remain the bestest of friends if it does end up a long chase.
It might be tough to not have this game go the way such books always go (and I bet in the Alera series too). Loads of squabbling and fighting between various armies/petty nations etc, whilst a bigger threat grows ever stronger in the background.
Very fun-looking setup this!

Mockra, on 25 June 2013 - 12:25 AM, said:

Hi all! Looks to be a fun/confusing one this!

Is this expression common elsewhere? It's not here, so if so, this is nothing, plus I don't have my notes, and can't remember the other really petty things I found. I'm not advocating their lynch really, just tossing anything at all I have put there.

Monok Ochem, on 03 July 2013 - 06:20 AM, said:

I remember thinking Alkend and Mockra were the same person, and we now know Alkend was Vord, and Mockra tried to jump on the last lynch train after it was too late. It may be nothing, but I'd look at Mockra more closely.

Prior to those insightful and devastating comments you had precisely 1 interaction or even mention with/of either one: a brief back and forth with Mockra over Vord VCs.

I will point out that this is indicative of your play all game. You'll come on and say one or two things, agree with the train of the minute and then vanish. Until I voted you. Now you appear and start trying to look like a contributor. I don't like it and that's why you remain my #1 Vord suspect.

[Ryllandaras]

Pran Chole.

I found very little here. Almost 60 posts I think and very little of note. In fact, the most standout post was an early one:

This one below. Why does Fener being a furywielder make him necessarily high-level faction, in a game in which the majority of players have access to some furies at least? It strikes me that the only ones who might think like this are those with no fury abilities of their own to call upon.

Pran Chole, on 26 June 2013 - 11:15 PM, said:

Fener, on 26 June 2013 - 11:11 PM, said:

There's 7 anons reading atm, I'd be interested in the other 4s thuoghts on the situation before the hammer if you don't mind? I'll self hammer at t-2 unless someone has a persuasive reason that could even be worth bothering with. I'm out the game, face it, take what knowledge you can and move on. I have other abilities too you know...

All the fury abilities are similar. The OP is very clear about that. So you're claiming Fury wielder, that means you're probably high level faction. I have no way of knowing what faction you are but its day 1, I'll take the risk that you're not in mine. Unless you broke ground with some crazy non-fury related ability I see no reason why a derail could possibly be a good thing at this point.

Then nothing to note really until today. Think Monok is worth placing a vote on for a couple of the reasons I highlighted.

Pran Chole, on 08 July 2013 - 04:27 PM, said:

Fully caught up.

Korbas, on 08 July 2013 - 03:37 PM, said:

For me it is a bit OMGUS but Pran chole stands out, they would have been really low but have picked up the pace posting wise. Now do other people get faction vibes or non faction vibes?

Of course I was low, I struggled getting my brain around the game and so lurked the first two cycles and then I was away for a week for the holidays. I picked up my shit when I got back.

I'm hesitant to believe such a huge reveal as Emu's, but if he is telling the truth then lynching Korbas won't work anyways.

remove vote.

Since we now need a new target I'll give you my bullet points on my threat list, updated for most recent events:
-Monok, has been in to post once or twice a day, enough to seem useful but not enough to really be involved in discussion. He was quick to take credit for 2 vord CFs, but was happy to let other people make the cases and drive the lynches. To me that reads as a Vord covering his ass. He knows his faction members and can drop their names into his suspicions and then toot his own horn if/when they die but can't really be attached to any violent behaviour.
-Okaros, just jumped up because of that knee jerk, 2 vote reveal.
-Galain, because of subsistence posting and general slyness.
-Ryll, because of the tone of some of his posts.

Those 4 are my primary suspects. Obviously Ryll and Galain are just instinctive suspicions, Galain is higher than Ryll because he's now been implicated by Okaros as being involved with him. However, I will be putting my vote on my primary suspect.

And that's it. So I look forward to Pran's promise of more...

Pran Chole, on 08 July 2013 - 09:47 PM, said:

I was in the middle of my quote case when a big thunderstorm knocked out all the power in my neighborhood. I'm posting on my friend's phone, as soon as power is back I will be also.

Sorry, this one was a lame analysis. But you can only work with what you're given...I'm undecided what this says about Pran as a possible Vord Queen. He generally seems to play a mildly confused schtick.


Edit: Ah, the case is here!

This post has been edited by Ryllandaras: 09 July 2013 - 01:55 AM

[Ultama]

I went back to reread the Mockra lynch. 3 things stand out now:

• I was in a really pissy mood that day. I probably owe some people apologies. (If you count yourself as one of those I'd advise against holding your breath while waiting.)
• The twins really didn't like the Mockra lynch. Which makes me wonder where they've been today.
• I don't have a clue. That's a given always. In this case it's I don't have a clue how Emur could be bullshitting about the FA traveling the blue road now, but he seems so scummy looking back. If he isn't Tavi I'm going to haunt him for the rest of my days.

[Pran Chole]

Ryllandaras, on 09 July 2013 - 01:54 AM, said:

Pran Chole.

I found very little here. Almost 60 posts I think and very little of note. In fact, the most standout post was an early one:

This one below. Why does Fener being a furywielder make him necessarily high-level faction, in a game in which the majority of players have access to some furies at least? It strikes me that the only ones who might think like this are those with no fury abilities of their own to call upon.

Pran Chole, on 26 June 2013 - 11:15 PM, said:

Fener, on 26 June 2013 - 11:11 PM, said:

There's 7 anons reading atm, I'd be interested in the other 4s thuoghts on the situation before the hammer if you don't mind? I'll self hammer at t-2 unless someone has a persuasive reason that could even be worth bothering with. I'm out the game, face it, take what knowledge you can and move on. I have other abilities too you know...

All the fury abilities are similar. The OP is very clear about that. So you're claiming Fury wielder, that means you're probably high level faction. I have no way of knowing what faction you are but its day 1, I'll take the risk that you're not in mine. Unless you broke ground with some crazy non-fury related ability I see no reason why a derail could possibly be a good thing at this point.

Then nothing to note really until today. Think Monok is worth placing a vote on for a couple of the reasons I highlighted.

Pran Chole, on 08 July 2013 - 04:27 PM, said:

Fully caught up.

Korbas, on 08 July 2013 - 03:37 PM, said:

For me it is a bit OMGUS but Pran chole stands out, they would have been really low but have picked up the pace posting wise. Now do other people get faction vibes or non faction vibes?

Of course I was low, I struggled getting my brain around the game and so lurked the first two cycles and then I was away for a week for the holidays. I picked up my shit when I got back.

I'm hesitant to believe such a huge reveal as Emu's, but if he is telling the truth then lynching Korbas won't work anyways.

remove vote.

Since we now need a new target I'll give you my bullet points on my threat list, updated for most recent events:
-Monok, has been in to post once or twice a day, enough to seem useful but not enough to really be involved in discussion. He was quick to take credit for 2 vord CFs, but was happy to let other people make the cases and drive the lynches. To me that reads as a Vord covering his ass. He knows his faction members and can drop their names into his suspicions and then toot his own horn if/when they die but can't really be attached to any violent behaviour.
-Okaros, just jumped up because of that knee jerk, 2 vote reveal.
-Galain, because of subsistence posting and general slyness.
-Ryll, because of the tone of some of his posts.

Those 4 are my primary suspects. Obviously Ryll and Galain are just instinctive suspicions, Galain is higher than Ryll because he's now been implicated by Okaros as being involved with him. However, I will be putting my vote on my primary suspect.

And that's it. So I look forward to Pran's promise of more...

Pran Chole, on 08 July 2013 - 09:47 PM, said:

I was in the middle of my quote case when a big thunderstorm knocked out all the power in my neighborhood. I'm posting on my friend's phone, as soon as power is back I will be also.

Sorry, this one was a lame analysis. But you can only work with what you're given...I'm undecided what this says about Pran as a possible Vord Queen. He generally seems to play a mildly confused schtick.


Edit: Ah, the case is here!

Yeah, power's back. Nice cross post. As for day 1, I had no idea how many other people had access to furies and in case it was a pretty limited group I didn't want to admit to it yet. Of course, now half the thread is claiming to have furies, so I don't mind acknowledging that I do also.

[Ryllandaras]

Monok Ochem, on 09 July 2013 - 01:27 AM, said:

Wrong. I had posted the suspicious similarity in Alkend and Mockra previously, but it went nowhere, and on its own, wasn't extremely damning. Then I reposted the post I made, but only because it had already linked the two posts by Alkend and Mockra that looked the same. I also added, this time, the fact that Mockra had tried to jump onto the Tiam lynch late, but was not needed. This made me rethink the Alkend-Mockra link, and it was post #998. It was Ultama who then found an additional slip by Mockra, when he saw my post, and decided it was worth looking into Mockra, and his post was #999, and here after my post, Ultama votes Mockra, agreeing with my post above. The next post, #1000, Demelain votes Mockra.

So I'm not sure why you are trying to purposely cofuse the facts behind my find, but it doesn't look good for you. My linking of Mockra and Alkend post-style, then noting of Mockra attempting to jump onto the late Tiam lynch came first, and right after came Ultama's slip-up by Mockra, but it was the combined posts that created instantly the Mockra lynch. Nice attempt at trying to make my work seem far less than it was, and trying to discredit an obvious catch on a slip by two Vord players. Are you mad because they were on your team? So with 50% OMGUS/50% genuine worry over why Ryllandaras would purposely try to confuse the facts of my Alkend and Mockra cases -

remove vote
vote Ryllandaras

That's in part a misread from me about what you meant when you said you brought up Alkend-Mockra after Alkend's CF, and in part what happens when you look at posts to an extent just from searching for that particular person's name.

For the former part, I thought that you meant that was the FIRST TIME you'd ever brought it up, which wasn't the case. But apparently that's not what you meant. So my bad. For the latter part, you're correct in saying that Ultama only investigated because you brought up the link again, so yes, you were more involved in catching Mockra than I gave you credit it for. I missed it because I was looking through your posts, not Ultama's, and had forgotten that was why Ultama looked in the first place.

It was not purposeful, what would have been the point of that when you can easily come on and say 'nope' as you just have done?


In part this brings up a point which I wanted to make anyway. I'm hoping that these analyses get others to go through these same players, and see what they can find or give their own opinion on.

[Ultama]

Liosan said:

1373334354[/url]' post='1069554']
To comment about NG, since I missed that part and don't want to edit stuff, b/c it's not allowed;

When players attack me, I push back. NG's been riding me since Day 2, and his reasons were bullshit. I said as much. He did actively go against consensus, I've said as much. Did I vote him? No. Did I remove my vote from Mockra to vote him? No.

I'm not saying this to point out that this makes NOT the queen. I'm merely pointing out that your own arguments are flimsy, and you're stretching.

In fact, you're scrambling a lot.

I don't know that I'd call it scrambling but he seems to believe that if he doesn't mention the voting blocs we will all go away. He's not the only one doing that though.

[Liosan]

Ultama, on 09 July 2013 - 02:02 AM, said:

Liosan, on 09 July 2013 - 01:45 AM, said:

To comment about NG, since I missed that part and don't want to edit stuff, b/c it's not allowed;

When players attack me, I push back. NG's been riding me since Day 2, and his reasons were bullshit. I said as much. He did actively go against consensus, I've said as much. Did I vote him? No. Did I remove my vote from Mockra to vote him? No.

I'm not saying this to point out that this makes NOT the queen. I'm merely pointing out that your own arguments are flimsy, and you're stretching.

In fact, you're scrambling a lot.

I don't know that I'd call it scrambling but he seems to believe that if he doesn't mention the voting blocs we will all go away. He's not the only one doing that though.

So far he's been doing an admirable job irritating all of those who didn't say whether they'd vote for him yet.

[Ryllandaras]

Liosan, on 09 July 2013 - 01:45 AM, said:

To comment about NG, since I missed that part and don't want to edit stuff, b/c it's not allowed;

When players attack me, I push back. NG's been riding me since Day 2, and his reasons were bullshit. I said as much. He did actively go against consensus, I've said as much. Did I vote him? No. Did I remove my vote from Mockra to vote him? No.

I'm not saying this to point out that this makes NOT the queen. I'm merely pointing out that your own arguments are flimsy, and you're stretching.

In fact, you're scrambling a lot.

Scrambling? Hardly. I know exactly what I'm getting myself into by doing this, and that's making myself a target for a whole list of players, as no one likes having inquisitive noses being poked up their bums. And I'm doing just that with a host of players. If I was the Vord Queen, as you're undoubtedly trying to imply, why the hell would I put myself in the spotlight for them like that?

[Ryllandaras]

Ultama, on 09 July 2013 - 02:02 AM, said:

Liosan, on 09 July 2013 - 01:45 AM, said:

To comment about NG, since I missed that part and don't want to edit stuff, b/c it's not allowed;

When players attack me, I push back. NG's been riding me since Day 2, and his reasons were bullshit. I said as much. He did actively go against consensus, I've said as much. Did I vote him? No. Did I remove my vote from Mockra to vote him? No.

I'm not saying this to point out that this makes NOT the queen. I'm merely pointing out that your own arguments are flimsy, and you're stretching.

In fact, you're scrambling a lot.

I don't know that I'd call it scrambling but he seems to believe that if he doesn't mention the voting blocs we will all go away. He's not the only one doing that though.

Or what I'm doing is an attempt to make the choices for your vaunted voting blocs clearer. Or, at least, get everyone to think more about where to place their vote before they do so.

[Liosan]

Ryllandaras, on 09 July 2013 - 02:07 AM, said:

Liosan, on 09 July 2013 - 01:45 AM, said:

To comment about NG, since I missed that part and don't want to edit stuff, b/c it's not allowed;

When players attack me, I push back. NG's been riding me since Day 2, and his reasons were bullshit. I said as much. He did actively go against consensus, I've said as much. Did I vote him? No. Did I remove my vote from Mockra to vote him? No.

I'm not saying this to point out that this makes NOT the queen. I'm merely pointing out that your own arguments are flimsy, and you're stretching.

In fact, you're scrambling a lot.

Scrambling? Hardly. I know exactly what I'm getting myself into by doing this, and that's making myself a target for a whole list of players, as no one likes having inquisitive noses being poked up their bums. And I'm doing just that with a host of players. If I was the Vord Queen, as you're undoubtedly trying to imply, why the hell would I put myself in the spotlight for them like that?

because of the above-mentioned voting blocks. As long as you make at least one case resonate with the bunch of them, doesn't matter what the "unidentifieds" (Me, PC, MO, Shelly, Ked, Dem) think. You'd get a majority to lynch. It's risky, but with people already looking your way, it's as good a tactic as any.

BTW, I am NOT implying you are the Vord Queen. I'm not sure who that could be yet. But you calling me your no 1 suspect certainly isn't making it easier for me to look at you objectively.

[Ultama]

Pran Chole said:

1373335161[/url]' post='1069559']
Yeah, power's back. Nice cross post. As for day 1, I had no idea how many other people had access to furies and in case it was a pretty limited group I didn't want to admit to it yet. Of course, now half the thread is claiming to have furies, so I don't mind acknowledging that I do also.

I think I'll try this one last time before calling it a night. Pran, why are you of all players willing to give Barghast a free pass on low posting? That is driving me nuttier.

[Pran Chole]

Ultama, on 09 July 2013 - 02:13 AM, said:

Pran Chole, on 09 July 2013 - 01:59 AM, said:

Yeah, power's back. Nice cross post. As for day 1, I had no idea how many other people had access to furies and in case it was a pretty limited group I didn't want to admit to it yet. Of course, now half the thread is claiming to have furies, so I don't mind acknowledging that I do also.

I think I'll try this one last time before calling it a night. Pran, why are you of all players willing to give Barghast a free pass on low posting? That is driving me nuttier.

I'm not. I'm saying he's not worth a lynch while the modclock ticks. I'm equally frustrated with the modkill timer reset, but if he posts at any time between now and dusk I'll vote him and if he posts during the night I'm lobbing a fireball at him.

[Pran Chole]

Also, please tell me where it sounded like I was giving him a pass.