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Timelords 3 - The Timestream

#441 User is offline   Korabas 

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Posted 03 March 2014 - 09:02 AM

 Galayn Lord, on 01 March 2014 - 06:02 AM, said:

 Alkend, on 01 March 2014 - 05:48 AM, said:

 Galayn Lord, on 01 March 2014 - 05:38 AM, said:

 Alkend, on 01 March 2014 - 05:28 AM, said:

 Galayn Lord, on 01 March 2014 - 05:15 AM, said:

 Alkend, on 01 March 2014 - 05:08 AM, said:

 Galayn Lord, on 01 March 2014 - 05:05 AM, said:

Plus, look at these abilities -

Sunday - Timelord, shifts time, etc.
Wednesday - probably a lover with one of the Sundays
Ete - probably a lover with the Sunday that Wednesday is not a lover with
Monday - guard
Thursday - vig
Tertian - Finder? Mimic? RI?

Is it possible that either Wed/Ete have the Mimic ability, based on Tiam's post which reveals suspicion on Wed/Ete and announces this Mimic ability at the same time? Too many abilities would make this game OP, and with Tertian so low on the totem pole in terms of game setup, I doubt he has two powerful abilities. If anything, Wed/Ete might have Mimic and/or Lover, and Tertian has the Finder role, based on Denul's reveal. If Denul isn't Tertian due to Mimic, he's got to be Wednesday or Ete, because Finder + Mimic is already a really powerful combo. And that means Tertian would have to be RI or something because there are no abilities left. So I still think Denul is a true finder; we'll only know his real CF if we lynch him, assuming Mimic isn't complete bullshit.


What about the vig?

Can't the vig have the mimic?


Nope.

Plus, I am of the mind that combining Mimic with almost any other ability makes that role overpowered. The abilities of guard, vig, and Timelord seem to have stayed the same through all games, and vig and guard are very standard roles. The only role I could genuinely suspect of having Mimic + X is where X = Lover. This would line up with information/misinformation, making Mimic almost a negative thing - because the Lover would be talking to Sunday, saying things, and then CF as someone totally different. That would be a useful and confusing game mechanic that I see Blend's name on. Anything else is overreaching the bounds of power, imo.


Ok then again I have to say:

Times running out and theres no handle on this supposed mimic. Galayn or Korabas were better choices than a known Tertian. I think Tiam knows something and I'm following it. Nothing links Denul, if he gets brought back we learn nothing. More important CFs are absent and i just see a vote to confirm a mechanic that may or may not exist as a ridiculous waste.

A lynch on Korabas is safe to me because I'm certain Galayn you are important or linked to someone important. I am certain Tiam links this mimic mechanic to either Korabas or someone connected to Korabas. the TL can save Korabas. Galayn acting like Korabas is not important to you raises my suspicions in this case. If your faction has majority the more CFs we get linked to you the better chances we have at guiding votes for a win. I'd like something from the TLs to confirm where things stand. Putting pressure on Korabas will force the player with the knowledge and thats what we should aim for.



First, you are really equivocating. This is getting odder and odder. Based on Tiam's comments, the Denul lynch doesn't JUST confirm a mechanic that may or may not exist.

Also how is a Korabas lynch safe? I'll be totally honest, I don't have a solid read on Korabas and I can't place her faction (unlike I can place Denul's). Why would I go for a shot in the dark instead of someone who revealed finder against me? If the Timelords are going to keep resurrecting people, let them, we can't predict what they'll do. Let them waste their limited time shifts. At this point putting pressure on Korabas doesn't seem to be useful if we have 4 hours left and little or no reason from the evidence on thread to be sure of Korabas as a target.


Several things here I don't get. Why is korabas a her to you? go for Denul who is in a faction you know about? I don't know if Denul is in my faction nor am I sure you are in my faction. You seem the only one on thread aware of things like this and I cant place a bet on someone you know and I do not.

This talk of wasting limited time shifts really sets you up. don't be so reckless with your wording. I am starting to really hope you aren't my TL. that alone has you set up in my head as a person with above and beyond common knowledge. Lying about it makes me distrust you aswell.

Alright look, quid quo pro. You vote in Korabas, prove to me you aren't linked and I'll trust you enough to vote Denul as many times as you wish. its just so pointless to me but you seem convinced so I'll humor you. This game is about winning. I see this as a winnowing tactic, clever in my opinion but only to the minority.




Because Korabas is a female dragon in Malazan lore. ;)

Most of the time shifts have seemed like a waste or semi-random to me. I don't have a read on why the Timelords are moving time the way they are. So I'm not basing my play on what they might or might not do at the moment...seems to me they could do anything, regardless of who's lynched and who dies. And what am I lying about?

Finally, are you saying you want me to help you LYNCH Korabas, or just vote and remove? And then you'll lynch Denul? I don't know what this proves or why we would do this. I can hardly comment on the rest because it's too loaded.




This is strange to me. Tiam is spouting that he has extra knowledge that most of us don't. He claims that Denul has multiple abilities. Those two are connected however way you spin it.

Then Alkend comes on and wants to vote along with both Tiam and Denul and actually pushes Galayn Lord into voting me to.

So questions;

Tiam how do you know Denul IS 100% your team mate? I hope it isn't because Rikkter told you so.

Alkend why do you want to side with both Tiam and Denul?

Galayn Lord why did you think voting for me would make others believe we aren't linked? Peer pressure isn't something you should give in to.


I do not care if you lynch me. Do it, you will find out who I am but I still won't know who you are. If I die, I die. Obviously you want to keep the guys that are able to do finds and talk off thread, rather than the guys that can't and want to find out things on thread.

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Posted 03 March 2014 - 09:14 AM

 Alkend, on 01 March 2014 - 06:21 AM, said:

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So I figured if you aren't linked to Korabas and as you claim would not know Korabas from a bar of soap you'd join the lynch train against her. I have no problems following you on lynches after because then my readings on you are wrong and Its up to the players in the know to convince me otherwise. Also if Korabas aint on your side and I am we get to know who and what Korabas is. all this being blind shit annoys me. If she is on our side then I suppose we're looking good either way. my point is I need to know shit and everything you suggest isn't getting me any wiser on my suspicions. at best we figure out Tertian can or cannot vig. why tease a bear trap when we can get going on more logical hunts? Tiam has really divulged alot to get us on the Korabas train. Theres something there and you aren't acknowledging it. My biggest question is why and I know a lynch in this direction will tell me and everyone else wondering what it is you are or aren't up to.




So you are saying that Galayn and I are linked, just the way Denul and Tiam are linked. Yet they are openly saying that they ARE linked and Galayn and I are openly saying that we have no idea yet you would rather go against two who are unsure they are linked than two who are sure they are.

That puts you in the same bracket and team as Tiam and Denul. That is almost 3 outed players from one faction. Are you saying you know they are on your team, or you are saying that they are not on your team, or like me you are unsure?

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Posted 03 March 2014 - 09:14 AM

 Path-Shaper, on 01 March 2014 - 06:55 AM, said:

It is Day 2. 2 hours 30 minutes remaining.

11 players alive: Alkend, Bek Okhan, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Iparth Erule, Kessobahn, Korabas, Lock, Monok Ochem, Tiamatha

6 votes to lynch. 6 votes to go to night.

1 vote Galayn Lord: Denul
2 votes Denul: Korabas, Lock
3 votes Korabas: Tiamatha, Alkend, Galayn Lord

Players not voted: Bek Okhan, Eloth, Iparth Erule, Kessobahn, Lock, Monok Ochem


I think Lock is the other Tertian. He voted for Denul here. He must have known he was not on his team.

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Posted 03 March 2014 - 09:20 AM

 Eloth, on 01 March 2014 - 08:09 AM, said:

Sorry friends, I was drinking last night and I'm still feeling the effects. It's making it very difficult to follow the discussion about mechanics.

I think we really need a lynch tonight, or we'll keep going round in circles. At this early stage in the game we also need new information. Also, I object to Korabas' suggestion that I get lynched ;)

vote Korabas


See now if I advocated the lynch on Denul then does that make me linked to Eloth? Yet Eloth is voting for me? Tiam doesn't like Eloth because he thinks they are on the same team as Denul.

Head just exploded.

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Posted 03 March 2014 - 09:21 AM

 Iparth Erule, on 01 March 2014 - 08:26 AM, said:

Things certainly got confusing. Mimic? And how does Tiam know so much? I need to reread that all again, but not right now, since it's weekend and RL plans and such.

However, I still stand by my earlier point, that it gains us more to lynch someone unknown, so

vote Korabas


I like this vote and it was probably what I should have done after thinking about who knows who. I think Tiam would be a great lynch for one faction, he knows too much. I just don't know if he is my faction or not.

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Posted 03 March 2014 - 10:50 AM

Here, but need to catch up.

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Posted 03 March 2014 - 11:04 AM

So, day timed out and I am in downtime again. Purrr. Fect. Third time in a row Posted Image.

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Posted 03 March 2014 - 02:01 PM

Hey everyone, I'm here and dealing with resolutions!

At time out it was:

11 players alive: Alkend, Bek Okhan, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Iparth Erule, Kessobahn, Korabas, Lock, Monok Ochem, Tiamatha

6 votes to lynch. 6 votes to go to night.

1 vote Galayn Lord: Denul
2 votes Denul: Korabas, Lock
5 votes Korabas: Tiamatha, Alkend, Galayn Lord, Eloth, Iparth Erule

Players not voted: Bek Okhan, Kessobahn, Lock, Monok Ochem

It is now Night. Give me a little bit and I'll resolve Night and get this game back underway!
Only someone with this much power could make this many frittatas without breaking any eggs.
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Posted 03 March 2014 - 02:34 PM

It was a quiet night in the Temporal Kingdoms. King Sunday's court and their doppelgangers are circling each other, but confusion seems to be ruling in this battle of wits.

It is now Day 3. 36 hours remainig.

11 players alive: Alkend, Bek Okhan, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Iparth Erule, Kessobahn, Korabas, Lock, Monok Ochem, Tiamatha

6 votes to lynch. 6 votes to go to night.



Players not voted: Alkend, Bek Okhan, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Iparth Erule, Kessobahn, Korabas, Lock, Monok Ochem, Tiamatha
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Posted 03 March 2014 - 02:53 PM

 Korabas, on 03 March 2014 - 09:14 AM, said:

 Alkend, on 01 March 2014 - 06:21 AM, said:

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So I figured if you aren't linked to Korabas and as you claim would not know Korabas from a bar of soap you'd join the lynch train against her. I have no problems following you on lynches after because then my readings on you are wrong and Its up to the players in the know to convince me otherwise. Also if Korabas aint on your side and I am we get to know who and what Korabas is. all this being blind shit annoys me. If she is on our side then I suppose we're looking good either way. my point is I need to know shit and everything you suggest isn't getting me any wiser on my suspicions. at best we figure out Tertian can or cannot vig. why tease a bear trap when we can get going on more logical hunts? Tiam has really divulged alot to get us on the Korabas train. Theres something there and you aren't acknowledging it. My biggest question is why and I know a lynch in this direction will tell me and everyone else wondering what it is you are or aren't up to.




So you are saying that Galayn and I are linked, just the way Denul and Tiam are linked. Yet they are openly saying that they ARE linked and Galayn and I are openly saying that we have no idea yet you would rather go against two who are unsure they are linked than two who are sure they are.

That puts you in the same bracket and team as Tiam and Denul. That is almost 3 outed players from one faction. Are you saying you know they are on your team, or you are saying that they are not on your team, or like me you are unsure?


I think assuming Tiam and Denul are linked makes sense. I am very clear about that. What doesn't makes sense was you and Korabas. Your actions on thread link you and if there is something between you two. I think its important due to the franticness of behaviour around your interactions. Its a mafia hunch that I hope will give me an idea of what the side opposing Denul and Tiam look like. (a link made based on their shared opinion you two are linked I might add) If you recall, you yourself think Eloth is against Denul. Potentially its you Eloth and Korabas in one team. The outed team with a majority? I don't know where to put everyone else but I think its important to know if you and Galayn are linked.

I already shared opinions with Galayn several times, possibly he is the head honcho of my team and I can see myself following his lead and voting Denul. The main issue I have is where you fit into the picture. Who is the other person Galayn claims to know the faction of? My suspicion is its someone whose activity either HUGELY contradicts him (Tiam) or HUGELY supports him (You). All actions after I brought light to this connection I chose to assume aren't quite genuine. I'm simply following what I suspect from Day 1 activity and Early Day 2.

The lynch train on you, Korabas is pretty confused. Can't review it properly until I get a CF on your role. I have you pegged as support with comms. I assume if Eloth is on your side then you may be the queen? I thought you'd be the safer bet as a timelord can bring you back should you turn out to be on my side. Thats really the only reason we had a vote train. Several players wanted a response from you on the subject and that's likely why you weren't lynched.

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Posted 03 March 2014 - 03:05 PM

I am Korabas. Keep up and read properly. Serious dude, what's the point in me making any posts at all. Both Galayn Lord and Eloth voted for me, so how are they still linked to me?

Your sentences don't make sense, the first paragraph reads as you are addressing GL, then the second and third me.

I have comm's you are suggesting now, don't be ridiculous, look at how much I have posted. Those with comms usually say less on thread.

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Posted 03 March 2014 - 03:09 PM

I am amenable to listening to others on who to lynch today. I suggested one of the "knowns" day 2 as that couldn't harm a faction, but by doing that it looked like I was pitted against a certain faction.

For Tiam, you didn't have to link yourself so tightly to Denul, but you have. I don't know how you can be sure he is on your team. However, you cannot be sure I am NOT on your team by suggesting we lynch him.

So I will not suggest lynching Denul this day.

I would love to hear more from Kessobahn and Bek Okhan this day.

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Posted 03 March 2014 - 05:12 PM

I'm okay with lynching me. I lied about being a finder anyway as the other Jester would have known. I was seeing who would vote for who anyway. And I am not helping in the least. I wasn't even able to help get a lynch vote in.

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Posted 03 March 2014 - 05:16 PM

>_<

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Posted 03 March 2014 - 05:26 PM

 Denul, on 03 March 2014 - 05:12 PM, said:

I'm okay with lynching me. I lied about being a finder anyway as the other Jester would have known. I was seeing who would vote for who anyway. And I am not helping in the least. I wasn't even able to help get a lynch vote in.


Are you for real?

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Posted 03 March 2014 - 05:31 PM

 Korabas, on 03 March 2014 - 05:26 PM, said:

 Denul, on 03 March 2014 - 05:12 PM, said:

I'm okay with lynching me. I lied about being a finder anyway as the other Jester would have known. I was seeing who would vote for who anyway. And I am not helping in the least. I wasn't even able to help get a lynch vote in.


Are you for real?


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Posted 03 March 2014 - 05:40 PM

So we can assume that Galayn is really just an unknown and all that circling the issue was a waste?

I really don't know what to make of this.

either he's inviting a lynch and plans to use it somehow or he genuinely was trying to get people outted. so Denul was after a reveal from Tiam???

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Posted 03 March 2014 - 05:43 PM

Alright. Well. My certainty of Denul was based on his finder reveal. I can't see how faking it helped anyone. He wants to be lynched, I suppose we can always lynch him if we want to. Right now it doesn't seem like he's a threat, other than misinformation....

Korabas, on the other hand. Should we continue to lynch? Looks like a Timelord didn't care enough to roll back before the lynch - or couldn't, with the weekend freeze or something. Or maybe since no one died they feel confident we can lynch just as easily today as yesterday so why waste time-abilities?

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Posted 03 March 2014 - 05:45 PM

 Korabas, on 03 March 2014 - 03:05 PM, said:

I am Korabas. Keep up and read properly. Serious dude, what's the point in me making any posts at all. Both Galayn Lord and Eloth voted for me, so how are they still linked to me?

Your sentences don't make sense, the first paragraph reads as you are addressing GL, then the second and third me.

I have comm's you are suggesting now, don't be ridiculous, look at how much I have posted. Those with comms usually say less on thread.


was addressing you but it really don't matter right now. looks like info gathering via lynching you will have to wait till someone sheds some more light on this issue.

if you have comms I'd rather not know as they may be on my side and I'd rather not out you. Alot looked like synced activity earlier on. I guess all we got is a Tiam vs you scenario. and we need to figure out where Denul fits into the picture.

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Posted 03 March 2014 - 05:45 PM

 Denul, on 03 March 2014 - 05:12 PM, said:

I'm okay with lynching me. I lied about being a finder anyway as the other Jester would have known. I was seeing who would vote for who anyway. And I am not helping in the least. I wasn't even able to help get a lynch vote in.


Was that fake reveal at least based on something or just a shot in the blue?

As for not being helpful, well, you don't even seem to be trying!

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