[Bek Okhan]

Well, I've been trying to puzzle it out ever since Rikky was killed. Without CF's, somebody has to know who is on their team in advance (the obvious choice being the TL) and those select few have to figure out a way to gather up their team without letting the other team know what they are doing. This is why I am wondering about the number choices in the time changes.

[Galayn Lord]

Bek Okhan, on 01 March 2014 - 03:59 AM, said:

Well, I've been trying to puzzle it out ever since Rikky was killed. Without CF's, somebody has to know who is on their team in advance (the obvious choice being the TL) and those select few have to figure out a way to gather up their team without letting the other team know what they are doing. This is why I am wondering about the number choices in the time changes.

You were closer before. Someone doesn't have to know their team in advance. Because CFs only reveal role and not faction, every time we get a CF, one person automatically knows the faction of the person who died, because they are that person's opposite.

[Bek Okhan]

So even the TL's don't know their own teams (unless there is a lover connection with Ete)?

[Galayn Lord]

Bek Okhan, on 01 March 2014 - 04:04 AM, said:

So even the TL's don't know their own teams (unless there is a lover connection with Ete)?

Good question. One we don't have the answer to yet. Timelords resetting NKs seems to imply that they may know who is on their faction, but maybe they don't get that information till the person dies - even if it was indirect, like in a previous game where the number of hours a Timelord could use was based on the number of players alive in his faction. Through that mechanic, a TL would know a player's faction upon death and then could potentially revive him. If this is true then the Timelords are going to slowly gain more faction information as CFs pop up. It's almost like the Timelords would get a full CF while the rest of the thread is in the dark. I'm speculating here, but I really hope this is more plausible than your crazy number switching time mechanic.

[Bek Okhan]

Galayn Lord, on 26 February 2014 - 10:49 PM, said:

Rikkter, on 26 February 2014 - 10:45 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 26 February 2014 - 10:42 PM, said:

Rikkter, on 26 February 2014 - 10:37 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 26 February 2014 - 10:34 PM, said:

Rikkter, on 26 February 2014 - 10:34 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 26 February 2014 - 10:32 PM, said:

Rikkter, on 26 February 2014 - 10:29 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 26 February 2014 - 10:25 PM, said:

Alkend, you're speculating by assuming that a Timelord brought back Domingo for a reason. There is absolutely nothing to indicate that. Anyone who thinks it's a good idea to leave the ONE PERSON WE'VE SPENT 40 HOURS HUNTING FOR alive is crazy.

Uhh... bringing me back is the ONLY reason to rewind time to before the lynch.

So you've been hunting for Domingo for 40 hours have you? Well I see no evidence of it, all I see is your fetish for me. You think you're such a shit-hot player it was instantly clear to you it was me do you? Have you looked anywhere else at all? Nope. You are what is known as tunnel visioned. Look around you, everyone is learning more about you than you are about them. That isn't good for you. Your own faction will be writing you off as a hopeless case that they are willing to see sacrificed, you have no allies.

This from the guy who is a one-person faction...

If you read the majority of the posts on day 1, there was mostly talk of how to find Domingo, whether or not we should bother because it would hard to do, etc, etc. Now that we got lucky and hit you on the first try, why would that suddenly become unimportant?

Dude, you've already done it.

I know, thanks. The point of finding you was to lynch you, buddy.

And a minimum of 50% of Timelords do not want me lynched now they know who I am. Is it your timelord who has spent some of his valuable time? Don't forget Time has been getting rarer in each game so far, this is an investment in me of which I am very mindful.

No, absolutely, no. It CANNOT be assumed that the sole purpose of the second time shift was to prevent Rikkter's lynch. Domingo is dangerous to both factions and could switch "allegiances" at the drop of a hat. He does not benefit the Timelords by being alive; he benefits them by being dead. So what else happened that might cause a Timelord to go back to day 1? Well, someone died overnight. Someone who belongs to a faction (unknown) and therefore has a Timelord in his faction.

Why you would think a Timelord NOT IN YOUR FACTION gives a flying fuck about wasting their ability to keep you alive is insanity.

Because, sunshine, they KNOW I'm not in the OPPOSITIONS faction. Denul died for a time, big deal - unless Tertian was the lover of King Sunday then he doesn't know if the Tertian that died was his or not. 50/50 chance of it being an enemy versus a 100% chance of it being a potential ally.

This assumes that the Sundays have zero knowledge of who their allies are. Can we safely assume that? I don't think so.

So you're saying that:

1) A Timelord saw Domingo, a threat to everyone, get lynched.
2) This Timelord sees Denul die and doesn't know what faction he's in.
3) This Timelord somehow thinks that bringing you both back to life will benefit his faction.

Am I crazy, or is this the most illogical bullshit house of cards ever constructed?

You post a couple back seems to contradict your stance here.

[Galayn Lord]

We have about five hours left in the day and haven't seen P-S in awhile. He did say he probably wouldn't be around for resolution, too...

[Bek Okhan]

Galayn Lord, on 01 March 2014 - 04:08 AM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 01 March 2014 - 04:04 AM, said:

So even the TL's don't know their own teams (unless there is a lover connection with Ete)?

Good question. One we don't have the answer to yet. Timelords resetting NKs seems to imply that they may know who is on their faction, but maybe they don't get that information till the person dies - even if it was indirect, like in a previous game where the number of hours a Timelord could use was based on the number of players alive in his faction. Through that mechanic, a TL would know a player's faction upon death and then could potentially revive him. If this is true then the Timelords are going to slowly gain more faction information as CFs pop up. It's almost like the Timelords would get a full CF while the rest of the thread is in the dark. I'm speculating here, but I really hope this is more plausible than your crazy number switching time mechanic.

Then why didn't the TL's just keep that day 1 loop going?

[Galayn Lord]

Bek Okhan, on 01 March 2014 - 04:10 AM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 26 February 2014 - 10:49 PM, said:

Rikkter, on 26 February 2014 - 10:45 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 26 February 2014 - 10:42 PM, said:

Rikkter, on 26 February 2014 - 10:37 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 26 February 2014 - 10:34 PM, said:

Rikkter, on 26 February 2014 - 10:34 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 26 February 2014 - 10:32 PM, said:

Rikkter, on 26 February 2014 - 10:29 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 26 February 2014 - 10:25 PM, said:

Alkend, you're speculating by assuming that a Timelord brought back Domingo for a reason. There is absolutely nothing to indicate that. Anyone who thinks it's a good idea to leave the ONE PERSON WE'VE SPENT 40 HOURS HUNTING FOR alive is crazy.

Uhh... bringing me back is the ONLY reason to rewind time to before the lynch.

So you've been hunting for Domingo for 40 hours have you? Well I see no evidence of it, all I see is your fetish for me. You think you're such a shit-hot player it was instantly clear to you it was me do you? Have you looked anywhere else at all? Nope. You are what is known as tunnel visioned. Look around you, everyone is learning more about you than you are about them. That isn't good for you. Your own faction will be writing you off as a hopeless case that they are willing to see sacrificed, you have no allies.

This from the guy who is a one-person faction...

If you read the majority of the posts on day 1, there was mostly talk of how to find Domingo, whether or not we should bother because it would hard to do, etc, etc. Now that we got lucky and hit you on the first try, why would that suddenly become unimportant?

Dude, you've already done it.

I know, thanks. The point of finding you was to lynch you, buddy.

And a minimum of 50% of Timelords do not want me lynched now they know who I am. Is it your timelord who has spent some of his valuable time? Don't forget Time has been getting rarer in each game so far, this is an investment in me of which I am very mindful.

No, absolutely, no. It CANNOT be assumed that the sole purpose of the second time shift was to prevent Rikkter's lynch. Domingo is dangerous to both factions and could switch "allegiances" at the drop of a hat. He does not benefit the Timelords by being alive; he benefits them by being dead. So what else happened that might cause a Timelord to go back to day 1? Well, someone died overnight. Someone who belongs to a faction (unknown) and therefore has a Timelord in his faction.

Why you would think a Timelord NOT IN YOUR FACTION gives a flying fuck about wasting their ability to keep you alive is insanity.

Because, sunshine, they KNOW I'm not in the OPPOSITIONS faction. Denul died for a time, big deal - unless Tertian was the lover of King Sunday then he doesn't know if the Tertian that died was his or not. 50/50 chance of it being an enemy versus a 100% chance of it being a potential ally.

This assumes that the Sundays have zero knowledge of who their allies are. Can we safely assume that? I don't think so.

So you're saying that:

1) A Timelord saw Domingo, a threat to everyone, get lynched.
2) This Timelord sees Denul die and doesn't know what faction he's in.
3) This Timelord somehow thinks that bringing you both back to life will benefit his faction.

Am I crazy, or is this the most illogical bullshit house of cards ever constructed?

You post a couple back seems to contradict your stance here.

It's a new idea I came up with literally as I was writing that post. When I was yelling at Rikkter above, I was playing devil's advocate because he posited that the Sundays have knowledge of their faction members by default. I don't know if this is true or not and I didn't then. So anyone claiming one way or the other for certain should be questioned at this point (and back then as well). Based on his assumption that Sundays know nothing, his logic for bringing back players was faulty. Just now, I had the thought that perhaps Sundays are getting faction information AFTER someone dies, instead of at game start, which I hadn't thought of before, and could make the above scenario actually plausible.

So I can see how that looks contradictory but it's simply a new way of looking at the same events. I also was pretty sure Rikkter was saying just about anything to save his ass, so I had to take his assumptions with multiple grains of salt.

[Bek Okhan]

Korabas, on 27 February 2014 - 08:17 AM, said:

I agree. Obviously Denul is not dead, see up thread. So another spouted lie from Rikkter about people not coming back, or staying dead. I know he means well, and has his own health as his best interest.

We need to keep lynching him though, if day times out without us lynching him then maybe he can recruit the dead people, or the people that are going to be killed. I call bullshit on what I just said. no one is dead but Rikkter, at the time of the lynch. This going back and forth is hurting my head though.

So far we have;

Rikkter = Domingo
Denul = Tertian
Eloth = Lady Ete

We do not know if Doppelganger or real deal. Sooner or later the vig will hit someone important. I hope they know the identity of their leader. It's a dangerous game they are playing otherwise.

Hmmm. Does death let people know something?

[Galayn Lord]

Bek Okhan, on 01 March 2014 - 04:12 AM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 01 March 2014 - 04:08 AM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 01 March 2014 - 04:04 AM, said:

So even the TL's don't know their own teams (unless there is a lover connection with Ete)?

Good question. One we don't have the answer to yet. Timelords resetting NKs seems to imply that they may know who is on their faction, but maybe they don't get that information till the person dies - even if it was indirect, like in a previous game where the number of hours a Timelord could use was based on the number of players alive in his faction. Through that mechanic, a TL would know a player's faction upon death and then could potentially revive him. If this is true then the Timelords are going to slowly gain more faction information as CFs pop up. It's almost like the Timelords would get a full CF while the rest of the thread is in the dark. I'm speculating here, but I really hope this is more plausible than your crazy number switching time mechanic.

Then why didn't the TL's just keep that day 1 loop going?

Maybe one of them wasn't around to submit actions. And if that's true, they could have stopped when they got a result they liked. If they get faction info, that was probably a factor in those time shifts. Or maybe they were finally satisfied with the NK target. Speculating on this is mostly WIFOM and we can't say for sure because we need more information about the Timelords first.

[Galayn Lord]

Bek Okhan, on 01 March 2014 - 04:16 AM, said:

Korabas, on 27 February 2014 - 08:17 AM, said:

I agree. Obviously Denul is not dead, see up thread. So another spouted lie from Rikkter about people not coming back, or staying dead. I know he means well, and has his own health as his best interest.

We need to keep lynching him though, if day times out without us lynching him then maybe he can recruit the dead people, or the people that are going to be killed. I call bullshit on what I just said. no one is dead but Rikkter, at the time of the lynch. This going back and forth is hurting my head though.

So far we have;

Rikkter = Domingo
Denul = Tertian
Eloth = Lady Ete

We do not know if Doppelganger or real deal. Sooner or later the vig will hit someone important. I hope they know the identity of their leader. It's a dangerous game they are playing otherwise.

Hmmm. Does death let people know something?

Well, that's what I was suggesting up above, that perhaps death reveals faction info to a Timelord. This was just my crazy theory though, we have no evidence to go off that I can see at the moment.

[Bek Okhan]

Galayn Lord, on 01 March 2014 - 04:19 AM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 01 March 2014 - 04:16 AM, said:

Korabas, on 27 February 2014 - 08:17 AM, said:

I agree. Obviously Denul is not dead, see up thread. So another spouted lie from Rikkter about people not coming back, or staying dead. I know he means well, and has his own health as his best interest.

We need to keep lynching him though, if day times out without us lynching him then maybe he can recruit the dead people, or the people that are going to be killed. I call bullshit on what I just said. no one is dead but Rikkter, at the time of the lynch. This going back and forth is hurting my head though.

So far we have;

Rikkter = Domingo
Denul = Tertian
Eloth = Lady Ete

We do not know if Doppelganger or real deal. Sooner or later the vig will hit someone important. I hope they know the identity of their leader. It's a dangerous game they are playing otherwise.

Hmmm. Does death let people know something?

Well, that's what I was suggesting up above, that perhaps death reveals faction info to a Timelord. This was just my crazy theory though, we have no evidence to go off that I can see at the moment.

Not the TL, the people who died.

[Alkend]

What are we saying here?

are we gonna let the day time out? I'm not sure I get the reasoning behind all the above but I think OP Roles have knowledge everyone else save the vigs don't hence the huge post fests to convince us we are actually on the winning team. To me I originally felt volume and quantity on thread =lack of advantage off thread. now I think its the opposite.

[Tiamatha]

Without giving away too much, I want to point out one of the abilities that someone gets, not sure if both sides, is a 'Mimic' ability. Only once, a player's first death can cf the role of another player.

Don't ask, don't tell.


To whom it may concern. Either trust your wife, or your mistress. Not both.......

[Galayn Lord]

I hope more people are watching the thread carefully. I'll say again: Based on Denul's reveal, I know his faction. I also know the faction of another player with 100% certainty, independent from Denul's reveal.

[Alkend]

that aside please keep at it. I'm happy to remove vote if Galayn can give me a reason he and Korabas though unsure of each other want to keep each other alive.

[Lock]

Tiamatha, on 01 March 2014 - 04:22 AM, said:

Without giving away too much, I want to point out one of the abilities that someone gets, not sure if both sides, is a 'Mimic' ability. Only once, a player's first death can cf the role of another player.

Don't ask, don't tell.


To whom it may concern. Either trust your wife, or your mistress. Not both.......

First death?

[Galayn Lord]

Lock, on 01 March 2014 - 04:25 AM, said:

Tiamatha, on 01 March 2014 - 04:22 AM, said:

Without giving away too much, I want to point out one of the abilities that someone gets, not sure if both sides, is a 'Mimic' ability. Only once, a player's first death can cf the role of another player.

Don't ask, don't tell.


To whom it may concern. Either trust your wife, or your mistress. Not both.......

First death?

Because Timelords can roll back time to a previous day and resurrect players through this, a player can die more than once.

Whether or not this new mechanic is real or not, it's the first we've heard of it. If it's true and it's already happened then we may be in some trouble if not even the CFs can be considered real....

[Bek Okhan]

Galayn Lord, on 01 March 2014 - 04:29 AM, said:

Lock, on 01 March 2014 - 04:25 AM, said:

Tiamatha, on 01 March 2014 - 04:22 AM, said:

Without giving away too much, I want to point out one of the abilities that someone gets, not sure if both sides, is a 'Mimic' ability. Only once, a player's first death can cf the role of another player.

Don't ask, don't tell.


To whom it may concern. Either trust your wife, or your mistress. Not both.......

First death?

Because Timelords can roll back time to a previous day and resurrect players through this, a player can die more than once.

Whether or not this new mechanic is real or not, it's the first we've heard of it. If it's true and it's already happened then we may be in some trouble if not even the CFs can be considered real....

So we should re-lynch someone?

[Galayn Lord]

Tiamatha, on 01 March 2014 - 04:22 AM, said:

Without giving away too much, I want to point out one of the abilities that someone gets, not sure if both sides, is a 'Mimic' ability. Only once, a player's first death can cf the role of another player.

Don't ask, don't tell.


To whom it may concern. Either trust your wife, or your mistress. Not both.......

The more I read this the more I find hidden within it. If this ability exists, it could have been one of the 3 CFs we've seen so far; there is no way to confirm without killing Denul or Eloth again, so far. I'm not saying we WILL get confirmation, but it's possible we could. This furthers my reasons for lynching Denul, aside from the fact that he isn't on my faction.