[Ruse]

Kilava, on 20 May 2013 - 03:14 PM, said:

Ruse, on 20 May 2013 - 02:58 PM, said:

I am voting Anthras so that he gets his ass online and gives us some content but I think the main person who should be lynched today is Kilava. 100%.

This is the second time in a row you've said that you think we should definitely be voting me, that I'm definite scum etc, and then voted elsewhere.

It is what you have done all game. Anthras deserves pressure. Nervous?

[Trake]

Ruse, on 20 May 2013 - 03:09 PM, said:

Trake, on 20 May 2013 - 03:05 PM, said:

Ruse, on 20 May 2013 - 02:24 PM, said:

Trake, on 20 May 2013 - 02:20 PM, said:

Ruse, on 20 May 2013 - 02:03 PM, said:

Trake spotting that is very interesting. Imagine a Pallid and Spite partnership. The horror. it does indicate that either scum are trying to make Kilava look like scum by killing off the people who accuse him or Kilava is deciding to do just that and will laugh at us after the game finishes.

Trake/Anthras partnership? Both low key, Trake now painting Anthras as possible symp instead of killer.

I want to hear what Pallid has to say. Also Anthras.

When you say now painting you make it seem like I had previously painted him as scum. Which I am pretty sure that I have not done. I have noticed that most of the game you have twisted peoples words just slightly. It is something that I would expect a symp to do.

yeah I am not a symp. I said "now" because I was painting him as a killer and now he is toned down to symp. you feel me?

Ahh but you didn't indicate that it was you who where painting him as a killer and not me. Reading that post would indicate that you where pointing out that I had referred to Anthras as scum earlier and was now revising my sentiment. Not that you earlier you had him pegged as scum while I was thinking that he might be a symp. Can you see the difference in the sentence structure and how it may convey a different implied meaning then the one that you are NOW saying it should have conveyed.

I do, but when asked it was easily answered.

Do you think Kilava is town? He has not been lynched, there was a swing away from him, and it would vindicate his low posting partner somewhat.

I actually have you in the same position as Kilava. I don't know if either one of you is town. He makes logical sense when he posts and you need clarification and some of your logic is off to me. You are both high posters who have been pointing fingers at all of the other players. Something which a good townie or a scum player who wanted to look like a good townie would do. Since we have not managed to lynch scum and can not assume that we have lynched (or that scum has nked) the symp. Everyone is still and should be suspect and no one should be even PIed.

[Ruse]

Trake, on 20 May 2013 - 03:17 PM, said:

Ruse, on 20 May 2013 - 03:09 PM, said:

Trake, on 20 May 2013 - 03:05 PM, said:

Ruse, on 20 May 2013 - 02:24 PM, said:

Trake, on 20 May 2013 - 02:20 PM, said:

Ruse, on 20 May 2013 - 02:03 PM, said:

Trake spotting that is very interesting. Imagine a Pallid and Spite partnership. The horror. it does indicate that either scum are trying to make Kilava look like scum by killing off the people who accuse him or Kilava is deciding to do just that and will laugh at us after the game finishes.

Trake/Anthras partnership? Both low key, Trake now painting Anthras as possible symp instead of killer.

I want to hear what Pallid has to say. Also Anthras.

When you say now painting you make it seem like I had previously painted him as scum. Which I am pretty sure that I have not done. I have noticed that most of the game you have twisted peoples words just slightly. It is something that I would expect a symp to do.

yeah I am not a symp. I said "now" because I was painting him as a killer and now he is toned down to symp. you feel me?

Ahh but you didn't indicate that it was you who where painting him as a killer and not me. Reading that post would indicate that you where pointing out that I had referred to Anthras as scum earlier and was now revising my sentiment. Not that you earlier you had him pegged as scum while I was thinking that he might be a symp. Can you see the difference in the sentence structure and how it may convey a different implied meaning then the one that you are NOW saying it should have conveyed.

I do, but when asked it was easily answered.

Do you think Kilava is town? He has not been lynched, there was a swing away from him, and it would vindicate his low posting partner somewhat.

I actually have you in the same position as Kilava. I don't know if either one of you is town. He makes logical sense when he posts and you need clarification and some of your logic is off to me. You are both high posters who have been pointing fingers at all of the other players. Something which a good townie or a scum player who wanted to look like a good townie would do. Since we have not managed to lynch scum and can not assume that we have lynched (or that scum has nked) the symp. Everyone is still and should be suspect and no one should be even PIed.

He's better at it than me

So where do you think you'll be voting today?

[Trake]

Ruse, on 20 May 2013 - 03:15 PM, said:

Kilava, on 20 May 2013 - 03:14 PM, said:

Ruse, on 20 May 2013 - 02:58 PM, said:

I am voting Anthras so that he gets his ass online and gives us some content but I think the main person who should be lynched today is Kilava. 100%.

This is the second time in a row you've said that you think we should definitely be voting me, that I'm definite scum etc, and then voted elsewhere.

It is what you have done all game. Anthras deserves pressure. Nervous?

I think that he is more confused as am I. Usually people vote for there number 1 suspect not merely call them out. Calling someone out and then voting for someone else is strange behavior and strange behavior in a mafia game gets you lynched as possible scum.

[Trake]

Ruse, on 20 May 2013 - 03:21 PM, said:

Trake, on 20 May 2013 - 03:17 PM, said:

Ruse, on 20 May 2013 - 03:09 PM, said:

Trake, on 20 May 2013 - 03:05 PM, said:

Ruse, on 20 May 2013 - 02:24 PM, said:

Trake, on 20 May 2013 - 02:20 PM, said:

Ruse, on 20 May 2013 - 02:03 PM, said:

Trake spotting that is very interesting. Imagine a Pallid and Spite partnership. The horror. it does indicate that either scum are trying to make Kilava look like scum by killing off the people who accuse him or Kilava is deciding to do just that and will laugh at us after the game finishes.

Trake/Anthras partnership? Both low key, Trake now painting Anthras as possible symp instead of killer.

I want to hear what Pallid has to say. Also Anthras.

When you say now painting you make it seem like I had previously painted him as scum. Which I am pretty sure that I have not done. I have noticed that most of the game you have twisted peoples words just slightly. It is something that I would expect a symp to do.

yeah I am not a symp. I said "now" because I was painting him as a killer and now he is toned down to symp. you feel me?

Ahh but you didn't indicate that it was you who where painting him as a killer and not me. Reading that post would indicate that you where pointing out that I had referred to Anthras as scum earlier and was now revising my sentiment. Not that you earlier you had him pegged as scum while I was thinking that he might be a symp. Can you see the difference in the sentence structure and how it may convey a different implied meaning then the one that you are NOW saying it should have conveyed.

I do, but when asked it was easily answered.

Do you think Kilava is town? He has not been lynched, there was a swing away from him, and it would vindicate his low posting partner somewhat.

I actually have you in the same position as Kilava. I don't know if either one of you is town. He makes logical sense when he posts and you need clarification and some of your logic is off to me. You are both high posters who have been pointing fingers at all of the other players. Something which a good townie or a scum player who wanted to look like a good townie would do. Since we have not managed to lynch scum and can not assume that we have lynched (or that scum has nked) the symp. Everyone is still and should be suspect and no one should be even PIed.

He's better at it than me

So where do you think you'll be voting today?

I have already voted for Pallid. I see no reason to change my vote at this time and do not anticipate changing it unless absolutely required.

[Ruse]

So you'll change to get a lynch but other than that Pallid is your number one choice for scum.

[Ruse]

Remove Vote

Vote Kilava

I take the same stance as Trake. I will remove if absolute necessary but I think he is most likely to be scum and has the most connections.

This post has been edited by Ruse: 20 May 2013 - 03:38 PM

[Kilava]

Ruse, on 20 May 2013 - 03:15 PM, said:

Kilava, on 20 May 2013 - 03:14 PM, said:

Ruse, on 20 May 2013 - 02:58 PM, said:

I am voting Anthras so that he gets his ass online and gives us some content but I think the main person who should be lynched today is Kilava. 100%.

This is the second time in a row you've said that you think we should definitely be voting me, that I'm definite scum etc, and then voted elsewhere.

It is what you have done all game. Anthras deserves pressure. Nervous?

Yeah, that's why I came out and voted Anth straight off the bat...Why would I be nervous?

[Trake]

Ruse, on 20 May 2013 - 03:31 PM, said:

So you'll change to get a lynch but other than that Pallid is your number one choice for scum.

I think that Pallid is as strong as a choice for scum as anyone else. But yes for now he is my current top choice for scum.

[Ruse]

As Kilava is mine.

Not only is he top choice for scum he is also linked to many people and would give us a ton of information. The bad thing is that we would have to find his partner afterwards. That will be a mess but buys us a few days.

[Kilava]

Trake, on 20 May 2013 - 03:41 PM, said:

Ruse, on 20 May 2013 - 03:31 PM, said:

So you'll change to get a lynch but other than that Pallid is your number one choice for scum.

I think that Pallid is as strong as a choice for scum as anyone else. But yes for now he is my current top choice for scum.

You don't seem to think that the failed lynch was particularly scummy, here:

Trake, on 20 May 2013 - 01:21 PM, said:

I could see Anthras as a possible symp. Which is difficult accusation to prove and impossible to verify. His actions in refusing to vote for either spite or monok could be sympage or could be a dislike of there cases and a refusal to vote for someone who he thinks is town. I am hesitant to read to much into his actions. I do feel that scum is most likely a middle of the road and a low poster.

Do you really think an inno would be willing to risk a no lynch over dislike of a case/not wanting to lynch town? Lynching being better than a no lynch, and voting to get a lynch regardless of how far you agree with the lynch, is extremely well established, possibly more so than any other play in mafia.

It simply seems to me that the no lynch is the best actual indication of scum we have had all game, so a bit curious as to why you're hesitant to read into it, one way or the other.

[Kilava]

Ruse, on 20 May 2013 - 03:44 PM, said:

As Kilava is mine.

Not only is he top choice for scum he is also linked to many people and would give us a ton of information. The bad thing is that we would have to find his partner afterwards. That will be a mess but buys us a few days.

This is potentially D-day, meaning purely finding scum is imperative, and how much information someone might give if they are scum is not really the best factor to be looking at, at this point, imo.

[Path-Shaper]

It is day 4. 32 hours 45 minutes remaining.


8 players still alive: Anthras, Denul, Kilava, Monok Ochem, Pallid, Spite, Ruse, Trake

5 votes to lynch, 4 to go to night.

1 vote Anthras: Kilava
1 vote Spite: Monok Ochem
1 vote Pallid: Trake
1 vote Kilava: Ruse

Players not voted: Anthras, Denul, Pallid, Spite 

[Monok Ochem]

sorry, old business


Remove Vote

[Trake]

Kilava, on 20 May 2013 - 03:47 PM, said:

Trake, on 20 May 2013 - 03:41 PM, said:

Ruse, on 20 May 2013 - 03:31 PM, said:

So you'll change to get a lynch but other than that Pallid is your number one choice for scum.

I think that Pallid is as strong as a choice for scum as anyone else. But yes for now he is my current top choice for scum.

You don't seem to think that the failed lynch was particularly scummy, here:

Trake, on 20 May 2013 - 01:21 PM, said:

I could see Anthras as a possible symp. Which is difficult accusation to prove and impossible to verify. His actions in refusing to vote for either spite or monok could be sympage or could be a dislike of there cases and a refusal to vote for someone who he thinks is town. I am hesitant to read to much into his actions. I do feel that scum is most likely a middle of the road and a low poster.

Do you really think an inno would be willing to risk a no lynch over dislike of a case/not wanting to lynch town? Lynching being better than a no lynch, and voting to get a lynch regardless of how far you agree with the lynch, is extremely well established, possibly more so than any other play in mafia.

It simply seems to me that the no lynch is the best actual indication of scum we have had all game, so a bit curious as to why you're hesitant to read into it, one way or the other.

Your right the no lynch is a good indicator that one of the two town lynch targets was scum, and anthras not voting would indicate that he is a symp. I am not inclined to vote for Anthras because if he is a symp we will no know. I would be more inclined to vote for spite or monok then Anthras. Since I doubt that town was lucky enough to get a train on both scum at the same time it is a quandary as to which of them should be lynched first. Of course that is solely going off of the failed lynched. But since I have seen lynches fail for a variety of moronic reasons. At this point I would rather put my vote on Pallid mainly because he is floating along and only laying down partial cases then jumping into the middle of trains. I don't like to vote for people whom I think are symps. If you can make a case for one of Spite or Monok being Anthras scum killer then I would be happy to change. Until that time I like my vote where it is.

I have stopped trying to figure out why retarded town does retarded things when it comes to the decisions of not lynching versus lynching. I have seen townies have complete idiot logic in deciding not to lynch an towny.

[Trake]

Kilava, on 20 May 2013 - 03:49 PM, said:

Ruse, on 20 May 2013 - 03:44 PM, said:

As Kilava is mine.

Not only is he top choice for scum he is also linked to many people and would give us a ton of information. The bad thing is that we would have to find his partner afterwards. That will be a mess but buys us a few days.

This is potentially D-day, meaning purely finding scum is imperative, and how much information someone might give if they are scum is not really the best factor to be looking at, at this point, imo.

I completely agree with this sentiment.

[Kilava]

Anthras, on 18 May 2013 - 04:45 AM, said:

Just got back in. I had to leave a little earlier than expected, and probably should have taken a minute to update, but how the hell is it completely my fault the day ran out? Seriously, there were two hours to an hour and a half remaining when I left. It isn't crazy to think that someone else would show up to play the damn game outside of the four people who decided to show up today.

Not crazy? Maybe. But considering how few people had showed up, and how slow the game was at that point, and how much people had been mentioning the time constraint, I'd think it was at the least a pretty obvious risk to rely on other people showing up.

Anthras, on 18 May 2013 - 04:45 AM, said:

I'm sure I saw five anons reading the thread before I left. That means someone checked out the thread, said "fuck it," and left without doing shit (neither deciding to shift their vote, nor place one).

Convenient, unverifiable, and points the finger somewhere else, but in a totally vague direction that can't really be followed up.

Anthras, on 18 May 2013 - 04:45 AM, said:

Spite's refusal to self vote was off, so I don't think he's definitely town.

Agreed. But the wording here is pretty interesting in that it doesn't push very hard, given the fact that you saved him from lynch the day before.

Anthras, on 18 May 2013 - 04:45 AM, said:

And where was Monok? Holy shit, the timing on that vote was glorious!

Agreed again. Still shifting the focus somewhat though.

Anthras, on 18 May 2013 - 04:45 AM, said:

A Monok vote should have taken off, and based on that delayed vote it still should.

Again, what basis is there for the idea it should have taken off, given how obviously slow the day was?

Anthras, on 18 May 2013 - 04:45 AM, said:

Blame me all you want, but I warned you all that I was leaving with almost two hours left, and there should be more than four players deciding the vote at the end of the day (especially when there were better cases for lynching scum than deciding between two then-likely town players).

Perhaps there should be, but I don't see much evidence for why you would think that there would be, which is why the fact that you left without changing vote is so dodgy, particularly given that it had been pointed out that you doing so would risk no lynch.

[Path-Shaper]

It is day 4. 32 hours 38 minutes remaining.


8 players still alive: Anthras, Denul, Kilava, Monok Ochem, Pallid, Spite, Ruse, Trake

5 votes to lynch, 4 to go to night.

1 vote Anthras: Kilava
1 vote Pallid: Trake
1 vote Kilava: Ruse

Players not voted: Anthras, Denul, Monok Ochem, Pallid, Spite

[Trake]

Kilava, on 20 May 2013 - 04:02 PM, said:

Anthras, on 18 May 2013 - 04:45 AM, said:

Just got back in. I had to leave a little earlier than expected, and probably should have taken a minute to update, but how the hell is it completely my fault the day ran out? Seriously, there were two hours to an hour and a half remaining when I left. It isn't crazy to think that someone else would show up to play the damn game outside of the four people who decided to show up today.

Not crazy? Maybe. But considering how few people had showed up, and how slow the game was at that point, and how much people had been mentioning the time constraint, I'd think it was at the least a pretty obvious risk to rely on other people showing up.

Anthras, on 18 May 2013 - 04:45 AM, said:

I'm sure I saw five anons reading the thread before I left. That means someone checked out the thread, said "fuck it," and left without doing shit (neither deciding to shift their vote, nor place one).

Convenient, unverifiable, and points the finger somewhere else, but in a totally vague direction that can't really be followed up.

Anthras, on 18 May 2013 - 04:45 AM, said:

Spite's refusal to self vote was off, so I don't think he's definitely town.

Agreed. But the wording here is pretty interesting in that it doesn't push very hard, given the fact that you saved him from lynch the day before.

Anthras, on 18 May 2013 - 04:45 AM, said:

And where was Monok? Holy shit, the timing on that vote was glorious!

Agreed again. Still shifting the focus somewhat though.

Anthras, on 18 May 2013 - 04:45 AM, said:

A Monok vote should have taken off, and based on that delayed vote it still should.

Again, what basis is there for the idea it should have taken off, given how obviously slow the day was?

Anthras, on 18 May 2013 - 04:45 AM, said:

Blame me all you want, but I warned you all that I was leaving with almost two hours left, and there should be more than four players deciding the vote at the end of the day (especially when there were better cases for lynching scum than deciding between two then-likely town players).

Perhaps there should be, but I don't see much evidence for why you would think that there would be, which is why the fact that you left without changing vote is so dodgy, particularly given that it had been pointed out that you doing so would risk no lynch.

I agree that he is dogy as fuck. Do you think that he is symp dogy or partner scum dogy?

[Kilava]

Trake, on 20 May 2013 - 03:59 PM, said:

Your right the no lynch is a good indicator that one of the two town lynch targets was scum, and anthras not voting would indicate that he is a symp. I am not inclined to vote for Anthras because if he is a symp we will no know. I would be more inclined to vote for spite or monok then Anthras. Since I doubt that town was lucky enough to get a train on both scum at the same time it is a quandary as to which of them should be lynched first. Of course that is solely going off of the failed lynched. But since I have seen lynches fail for a variety of moronic reasons. At this point I would rather put my vote on Pallid mainly because he is floating along and only laying down partial cases then jumping into the middle of trains. I don't like to vote for people whom I think are symps. If you can make a case for one of Spite or Monok being Anthras scum killer then I would be happy to change. Until that time I like my vote where it is.

I have stopped trying to figure out why retarded town does retarded things when it comes to the decisions of not lynching versus lynching. I have seen townies have complete idiot logic in deciding not to lynch an towny.

The argument that we don't want to vote someone we think more likely symp than master is valid. Though there is the possibility that it Anth was a scum partner rather than a symp. Spite seems the more obvious choice for the master, given that Anthras voted Monok, which saved Spite from being in a position where he was definitely lynchable. Suppose the obvious thing to do would be to look over Spite/Anthras and Monok/Anthras interactions, which I'll given an opinion on in a bit. Can't say i'm very hopeful for much interaction between them though, given how little contribution they've all made, and how much of that has simply followed along the main lines other people were inquiring on.