[Tattersail_]

Galactic Council, on 18 June 2013 - 02:01 PM, said:

@morgoth

extra move fixed.

CF, Khell, Solid and Twelve to do upkeep.

Think about it, I leave thread in around 4-5 hours. If within that time we could get upkeep done, new tech's drawn etc etc then I'd do my turn before I go to bed. Then I will not be holding up the thread. I am trying to prevent you all from waiting for me to go

[D'rek]

Ganoes Paran, on 18 June 2013 - 02:07 PM, said:

Galactic Council, on 18 June 2013 - 02:01 PM, said:

@morgoth

extra move fixed.

CF, Khell, Solid and Twelve to do upkeep.

Think about it, I leave thread in around 4-5 hours. If within that time we could get upkeep done, new tech's drawn etc etc then I'd do my turn before I go to bed. Then I will not be holding up the thread. I am trying to prevent you all from waiting for me to go

CF, Khell and SS won't go bankrupt, so their upkeep doesn't prevent the tech draw. Twelve definitely needs to state his influence/colonize desires and do his upkeep before any of the cleanup phase stuff, though.

[Gnaw]

I'm looking and damned if I can find it. There were some discovery tiles revealed weren't there?

[Galactic Council]

Morgoth got +8 money.

SS hasn't directed me to influence and colonize the system yet.

[Tattersail_]

Gnaw, on 18 June 2013 - 02:11 PM, said:

I'm looking and damned if I can find it. There were some discovery tiles revealed weren't there?

Morgoth got +8 money

[Galactic Council]

D, on 18 June 2013 - 02:09 PM, said:

Ganoes Paran, on 18 June 2013 - 02:07 PM, said:

Galactic Council, on 18 June 2013 - 02:01 PM, said:

@morgoth

extra move fixed.

CF, Khell, Solid and Twelve to do upkeep.

Think about it, I leave thread in around 4-5 hours. If within that time we could get upkeep done, new tech's drawn etc etc then I'd do my turn before I go to bed. Then I will not be holding up the thread. I am trying to prevent you all from waiting for me to go

CF, Khell and SS won't go bankrupt, so their upkeep doesn't prevent the tech draw. Twelve definitely needs to state his influence/colonize desires and do his upkeep before any of the cleanup phase stuff, though.

That's what I'm waiting for.

Though SS will be bankrupt if he chooses not to convert science for money. He'll be at -10 after influencing his new system, with only 8 production and 1 in the bank.

[Tapper]

Galactic Council, on 18 June 2013 - 02:19 PM, said:

D, on 18 June 2013 - 02:09 PM, said:

Ganoes Paran, on 18 June 2013 - 02:07 PM, said:

Galactic Council, on 18 June 2013 - 02:01 PM, said:

@morgoth

extra move fixed.

CF, Khell, Solid and Twelve to do upkeep.

Think about it, I leave thread in around 4-5 hours. If within that time we could get upkeep done, new tech's drawn etc etc then I'd do my turn before I go to bed. Then I will not be holding up the thread. I am trying to prevent you all from waiting for me to go

CF, Khell and SS won't go bankrupt, so their upkeep doesn't prevent the tech draw. Twelve definitely needs to state his influence/colonize desires and do his upkeep before any of the cleanup phase stuff, though.

That's what I'm waiting for.

Though SS will be bankrupt if he chooses not to convert science for money. He'll be at -10 after influencing his new system, with only 8 production and 1 in the bank.

Does he have any unused colony ships?

[Morgoth]

IT's one of the worst tiles I could get, but it's still quite usefull

[Gnaw]

Morgoth, on 18 June 2013 - 02:21 PM, said:

IT's one of the worst tiles I could get, but it's still quite usefull

Hey, you could have lost the battle.

[Galactic Council]

Tapper, on 18 June 2013 - 02:21 PM, said:

Galactic Council, on 18 June 2013 - 02:19 PM, said:

D, on 18 June 2013 - 02:09 PM, said:

Ganoes Paran, on 18 June 2013 - 02:07 PM, said:

Galactic Council, on 18 June 2013 - 02:01 PM, said:

@morgoth

extra move fixed.

CF, Khell, Solid and Twelve to do upkeep.

Think about it, I leave thread in around 4-5 hours. If within that time we could get upkeep done, new tech's drawn etc etc then I'd do my turn before I go to bed. Then I will not be holding up the thread. I am trying to prevent you all from waiting for me to go

CF, Khell and SS won't go bankrupt, so their upkeep doesn't prevent the tech draw. Twelve definitely needs to state his influence/colonize desires and do his upkeep before any of the cleanup phase stuff, though.

That's what I'm waiting for.

Though SS will be bankrupt if he chooses not to convert science for money. He'll be at -10 after influencing his new system, with only 8 production and 1 in the bank.

Does he have any unused colony ships?

That was including the use of a colony ship to get an extra money production from chi draconis.

[Galactic Council]

Morgoth, on 18 June 2013 - 02:21 PM, said:

IT's one of the worst tiles I could get, but it's still quite usefull

Yes, after your bad luck I was really hoping to draw you something awesome like Shard hull or ion missiles, but it was not in the cards unfortunately.

[Khellendros]

Galactic Council, on 18 June 2013 - 12:43 PM, said:

@IH,

Yeah, you're right. I guess if I'm establishing that as a rule then I should just keep the rule. I'll still wait for Twelve's comment before finalizing my decision.

Thanks for the input.

I'm vaguely annoyed by twelve having his whole combat re-rolled (sorry twelve, nothing against you or your play). I know I'm saying this after the fact now, and I quite probably don't fully understand everything that's been talked about, but it seems to me you could follow an initially-established rule or you could do what's most sensible.

Sorry, I know I'm nitpicking. My point is, essentially, that in this case it seemed to me like the more sensible thing would have been to do what IH suggested.

[twelve]

Galactic Council, on 18 June 2013 - 12:11 PM, said:

On a quick thread re-read, there are 2 suggestions for simply re-rolling combat round 2 and keeping Twelve's missile round results.

"Fair" is a pretty vague term. I made the rule that I would re-roll combat entirely if a big mistake was made, but in this case, rewinding to the opening of round 2 is just as "fair" when you think about it.

I'd like to get Twelve's perspective on the matter (and make sure he's in the thread) for when I go through it again.

From a mod perspective, fairness is assured either way. What do you think as an impartial observer IH?

EDIT - I have just PM'd both Twelve and IH to weigh in. Any other comments welcome.

I'd prefer you just took over from where the error occurred but I'd be okay with you redoing the whole of combat with the ancients. I'll leave it at your call.

[Khellendros]

Sorry CF, but I think I should have a materials cube in the graveyard as well, and there should also be a materials cube on advanced materials planet on my supernova hex.

[twelve]

Galactic Council, on 18 June 2013 - 12:29 PM, said:

Tapper, on 18 June 2013 - 12:24 PM, said:

Galactic Council, on 18 June 2013 - 11:49 AM, said:

some junk i said

Not quoting so much as seeing it was applied, and no harm meant/done either This is a bitch to mod, and I don't want to harass you: I find the Eclipse rulebook rather confusing myself (and have been dead wrong at times) and the expansion only makes it worse as there are now 2 booklets to browse.

Yeah, no offense taken at all, even though on a re-read it seems that way. I was genuinely wondering where I said or applied that where it mattered. I don't remember distinguishing between engagement and missile round at all.

But maybe I did. I have dad-brain really bad and forget things with obscene frequency.

I don't ever remember you stating that the shields regenereated after missles. I do remember IH initially saying that so I just assumed you went with his first interpretation of the rules.

[Khellendros]

Upkeep done I think.

[twelve]

Ganoes Paran, on 18 June 2013 - 02:07 PM, said:

Galactic Council, on 18 June 2013 - 02:01 PM, said:

@morgoth

extra move fixed.

CF, Khell, Solid and Twelve to do upkeep.

Think about it, I leave thread in around 4-5 hours. If within that time we could get upkeep done, new tech's drawn etc etc then I'd do my turn before I go to bed. Then I will not be holding up the thread. I am trying to prevent you all from waiting for me to go

I'll have my upkeep done soon. I am still trying to catch up from the changes from last night.

[twelve]

Galactic Council, on 18 June 2013 - 02:19 PM, said:

D, on 18 June 2013 - 02:09 PM, said:

Ganoes Paran, on 18 June 2013 - 02:07 PM, said:

Galactic Council, on 18 June 2013 - 02:01 PM, said:

@morgoth

extra move fixed.

CF, Khell, Solid and Twelve to do upkeep.

Think about it, I leave thread in around 4-5 hours. If within that time we could get upkeep done, new tech's drawn etc etc then I'd do my turn before I go to bed. Then I will not be holding up the thread. I am trying to prevent you all from waiting for me to go

CF, Khell and SS won't go bankrupt, so their upkeep doesn't prevent the tech draw. Twelve definitely needs to state his influence/colonize desires and do his upkeep before any of the cleanup phase stuff, though.

That's what I'm waiting for.

Though SS will be bankrupt if he chooses not to convert science for money. He'll be at -10 after influencing his new system, with only 8 production and 1 in the bank.

I seem to remember him stating that he will influence and colonize one money and one science planet and then use one colony ship for money to pay for upkeep.

[twelve]

Khellendros, on 18 June 2013 - 02:44 PM, said:

Galactic Council, on 18 June 2013 - 12:43 PM, said:

@IH,

Yeah, you're right. I guess if I'm establishing that as a rule then I should just keep the rule. I'll still wait for Twelve's comment before finalizing my decision.

Thanks for the input.

I'm vaguely annoyed by twelve having his whole combat re-rolled (sorry twelve, nothing against you or your play). I know I'm saying this after the fact now, and I quite probably don't fully understand everything that's been talked about, but it seems to me you could follow an initially-established rule or you could do what's most sensible.

Sorry, I know I'm nitpicking. My point is, essentially, that in this case it seemed to me like the more sensible thing would have been to do what IH suggested.

Yeah, I was all for just taking up where things went wonky as well but CF did state pregame/or combat can't remember which that if there were any major errors that he would start from scratch. The battle still came down to having to hit with one of my cannons so it sorta ended up like just a reroll of the cannons anyway.

[twelve]

So on to upkeep.

INFluence GC, settle both Grey planets with money cubes and settle Science planet

What is my discovery tile?